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00:04 punkman https://medium.com/@casey_rosengren/paypal-froze-our-funds-then-offered-us-a-business-loan-49a078310fb
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00:04 assbot Paypal froze our funds, then offered us a business loan — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1OT41wh )
00:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8450 @ 0.00048995 = 4.1401 BTC [-] {5}
00:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00049433 = 4.9433 BTC [+] {2}
00:32 copypaste mircea_popescu: do you enjoy argentina?
00:32 copypaste i want another passport
00:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5100 @ 0.00048974 = 2.4977 BTC [-] {2}
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01:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12650 @ 0.00049433 = 6.2533 BTC [+] {2}
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01:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2164 @ 0.00049434 = 1.0698 BTC [+]
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04:08 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2791 @ 0.00049434 = 1.3797 BTC [+]
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05:05 punkman https://twitter.com/UNLibrary/status/682550730717290496 heh
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05:37 adlai another arsonist! https://bitslog.wordpress.com/2016/01/08/spv-mining-is-the-solution-not-the-problem/
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05:37 assbot “SPV mining” is the solution, not the problem | Bitslog ... ( http://bit.ly/1JywhIi )
05:42 shinohai daf uq?
05:43 shinohai Anyone that seriously thinks SPV mining is good should be strangled with the blockchain.
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05:47 adlai it's actually not a tweet, there's an entire article following the title
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06:16 mircea_popescu copypaste argentina is ok. the weather is nice, the food is excellent, it's not terribly expensive and the government is a joke. for your purpose it is excellent, you can get a passport for a few grand nqa.
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06:16 mircea_popescu nevertheless, the people are idiots on an african level, and on the whole on their own strength on the open market not worth the price of a decent burial.
06:16 mircea_popescu this, from what i hear, should be no change from the fillipines.
06:17 copypaste i want to renounce my passport before the USG goes under because such event, which i think will happen in my lifetime, will make me stateless
06:17 copypaste but you can't renounce your US citizenship before acquiring another one
06:17 mircea_popescu so then it's perfect for you.
06:17 copypaste the USG is already so bankrupt that it stopped adding passport pages, you have to pay them for a whole new passport
06:18 copypaste they also are not issuing passports if they think you owe them money
06:18 copypaste source https://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/news/visa-pages-no-longer-issued.html
06:18 assbot Extra Visa Pages no Longer Issued Effective January 1, 2016 ... ( http://bit.ly/1TJesXy )
06:18 copypaste and source http://money.cnn.com/2015/11/20/pf/taxes/taxes-passport/
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06:18 assbot Overdue taxes? You could lose your U.S. passport - Nov. 20, 2015 ... ( http://bit.ly/1TJeu1o )
06:18 mircea_popescu iirc that was discussed in the logs
06:19 mircea_popescu been on for a while. (and was predicted a year or two before it happened, also in the log)
06:20 copypaste the thing about the pages is what surprises me...
06:20 copypaste they say that it's to follow "international standards" and to make the passport more "secure"
06:20 mircea_popescu ya well.
06:20 copypaste i fail to see how it increases security at all
06:20 mircea_popescu i'm romanian, i never gave a shit.
06:20 copypaste Romania, now that's a good passport
06:21 mircea_popescu yeah. lulziest case of the hare and the turtle ever. all my life that i can remember romanians thought it's the worst
06:21 mircea_popescu then it turned out... one of the better that exist.
06:21 copypaste the Philippine passport is one of the worst
06:22 mircea_popescu i imagine.
06:22 copypaste you get visa free access to some countries in Africa, its neighbors in Asia (but not any of the actually important ones - like China or Japan), and some south american countries
06:22 copypaste and that's all
06:22 mircea_popescu british is prolly the worst, largest selection of people who hate them
06:22 copypaste eh, i would say that the US passport is by far the worst
06:22 copypaste when people ask which country i am from anad they are strangers, I say Canada
06:22 copypaste simply to avoid any confrontation
06:23 mircea_popescu lol funny thing : while i was in costa rica i was considering going to new zealand. went to british consulate that handled the whole slew of dominions, woman told me i need a visa. was all wtf'd, wrote to the ro exterior minister at the time (young guy from my party) going wtf. the VERY NEXT DAY it was announced the visa requirement was mutually dropped.
06:23 copypaste it was one of the better ones before they made these new rules
06:23 mircea_popescu a week latter the letter arrived, and he was like... bwhahahahaha.
06:24 copypaste haha
06:24 copypaste New Zealand seems nice, but how they treat Kim Dotcom will show their true colors
06:24 mircea_popescu eh it's bullshit. this was before the earthquake.
06:25 copypaste Now Australia on the other hand, fuck that entire continent
06:25 mircea_popescu and before the japan stove incident.
06:25 copypaste hehe
06:25 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.0004915 = 4.0303 BTC [-] {3}
06:25 copypaste have you ever seen "The Terminal", with Tom Hanks?
06:26 mircea_popescu mnop
06:26 copypaste well it's about a guy whose country ceases to exist and he gets stuck in an airport arrival area for over a year
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06:26 copypaste i have a feeling this will soon happen on a massive scale to Americans, when the USG goes under
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06:27 mircea_popescu lol prescience.
06:27 copypaste except instead of just letting potentially thousands of people stick around in an airport, they'll just be loaded in a cargo plane and dumped over whatever remains of the midwest :p
06:27 copypaste so, i would like to acquire another citizenship before that happens :D
06:28 mircea_popescu experience shows that it never pays to wait to be shat on by the corporate fiction that supposedly owns you.
06:28 mircea_popescu it behooves one to be part of the group that stabs the thing to death and drinks its blood.
06:29 mircea_popescu much much better to be, if not one of odovacer's men, at least any of the other "barbarian"'s retinue than to hang out with the so-called "count" bracilla at ravenna.
06:35 mircea_popescu in the daily okcupid lulz installment, http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/say-shit.png
06:35 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1TJfNgZ )
06:35 copypaste lol
06:35 mircea_popescu kako's humour is infectious!
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06:58 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362790 << mega-l0l!!
06:58 assbot Logged on 08-01-2016 05:04:32; punkman: https://medium.com/@casey_rosengren/paypal-froze-our-funds-then-offered-us-a-business-loan-49a078310fb
06:58 asciilifeform 'To paraphrase: “It may seem weird that we’re holding collateral on your account and offering you a loan, but that was not a mistake! You’re still eligible. Contact me if interested.”'
06:59 asciilifeform coming soon to a nato bank near you!!11
07:00 asciilifeform 'we will graciously agree to lend you, at interest, a portion of your own money, which we confiscated.'
07:00 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362801 << ahahaha
07:00 assbot Logged on 08-01-2016 10:37:47; adlai: another arsonist! https://bitslog.wordpress.com/2016/01/08/spv-mining-is-the-solution-not-the-problem/
07:00 asciilifeform 'Is was Wednesday, March 26, 2014. It was a cold winter outside, but not inside an old building of the Princeton university campus. The room, full of people, was warm. I was standing in front of some of the brightest minds in Bitcoin: Andresen, Bonneau, Eyal, Maxwell, Miller, Gün Sirer, Szabo, Todd and Zooko, to name only a few. My talk was about “SPV Mining”...'
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07:01 asciilifeform srsly, szabo was there ?
07:01 asciilifeform sad.
07:01 asciilifeform IS WAS sad.
07:01 mircea_popescu <asciilifeform> 'we will graciously agree to lend you, at interest, a portion of your own money, which we confiscated.' << this is how any serious mob works, really.
07:01 asciilifeform no shit
07:01 mircea_popescu can't sell "your" barber shop, but yah you can have a little money to "see you through a rough spot"
07:02 mircea_popescu vig y compris.
07:02 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i used to like szabo a lot more. but omfg, then i read some of his stuff.
07:02 asciilifeform aha!
07:02 mircea_popescu iirc one piece even in the log.
07:02 asciilifeform i can easily believe that he has descended into... this
07:03 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362816 << 'red herring', then as now. passport is not how typical usaschwitz inmate is kept inside the wire.
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07:03 assbot Logged on 08-01-2016 11:18:42; copypaste: and source http://money.cnn.com/2015/11/20/pf/taxes/taxes-passport/
07:03 copypaste asciilifeform: what in your opinion is the real problem?
07:03 * asciilifeform for example has a passport, fat lot of good it does
07:04 asciilifeform copypaste: same thing as in africa. the poverty, of every kind, that leads to no other port being in any hurry to invite you in
07:04 shinohai https://twitter.com/Bitstamp/status/685398977924206592 <<< kek
07:05 copypaste https://twitter.com/DTHI_Demitrios/status/685426021521321984 < actually not a bad idea
07:06 asciilifeform copypaste: mega-bureaucracies don't really give much of a fuck whether their public site stays up, they fall down routinely. and at this point are all 'cloudflared' anyway.
07:06 copypaste thus, using the MX record
07:06 copypaste you can't "cloudflare" your email server
07:07 copypaste as far as i know, at least
07:07 asciilifeform these folks don't do much emailing outside of the grounds
07:07 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362773 << aslr is not the correct term (it refers to os-level address space randomization)
07:07 assbot Logged on 08-01-2016 04:14:58; punkman: ben_vulpes: some kind of aslr? I think we had a thread about it, but can't find it now
07:08 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362776 << correct. it is a 'mats-style' fudge
07:08 assbot Logged on 08-01-2016 04:19:45; phf: ben_vulpes: you call that thing like void foo(args) { IMPLEMENT_RANDOMIZE_STACK(foo(args)); ...}, static makes nLoops shared, so the logic is, you set it to some random value between 1 and 21 and then recurse down that many times, "randomizing" the stack
07:08 asciilifeform 'mitigation'.
07:08 asciilifeform 'let's throw broken bottles around everywhere, enemy might trip on one !'
07:09 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362806 << srsly?
07:09 assbot Logged on 08-01-2016 11:16:09; mircea_popescu: copypaste argentina is ok. the weather is nice, the food is excellent, it's not terribly expensive and the government is a joke. for your purpose it is excellent, you can get a passport for a few grand nqa.
07:09 asciilifeform that ~mircea_popescu~ can get one 'for a few grand', i can readily believe
07:09 asciilifeform he can probably get a nuke for a couple grand.
07:09 asciilifeform but can a human ?
07:09 copypaste haha, indeed
07:10 mircea_popescu asciilifeform for the record, you're talking to a guy with an actual record of up-and-getting-out
07:10 copypaste the requirement on the books for an Argentine passport is 2 years residency
07:10 copypaste quite a low residency requirement, copared to other countries
07:10 mircea_popescu you should prolly spend more time asking questions than sprouting sententiousness.
07:10 asciilifeform copypaste: yeah that's what i thought
07:10 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: that was a question. can ~i~ walk in with a few $k and get it.
07:10 mircea_popescu yes.
07:10 asciilifeform like buying milk.
07:10 copypaste compared to Philippines, where the requirement is 10; unless you get married (Philippines has no divorce, only country other than Vatican City with no divorce laws on the books, or even in Congress)
07:10 mircea_popescu no, not like buying milk.
07:10 copypaste if you're married the requirement is 5
07:11 mircea_popescu copypaste argentina has no abortion.
07:11 copypaste neither does Philippines
07:11 copypaste no abortion or divorce :D
07:11 mircea_popescu fortunately uruguay is right there.
07:11 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: aha! you said 'not like buying milk'
07:11 asciilifeform this means peopleskillz, no??11
07:12 mircea_popescu were you fishing for a nail to hang your explanation on ?
07:12 mircea_popescu no dude. it means hiring a lawyer.
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07:12 asciilifeform ah ok
07:12 mircea_popescu you don't buy new teeth like buying milk, either.
07:12 mircea_popescu gotta hire a dentist.
07:12 copypaste now this is true
07:12 asciilifeform ah so it is like in usa, but with a couplea zeros shaved off the price
07:12 copypaste in the third world a lawyer can make miracles happen
07:12 mircea_popescu a coupla couples.
07:12 asciilifeform neato
07:13 copypaste lawyers typically know exactly who to bribe, saving you the trouble of finding out yourself
07:13 copypaste (and perhaps bribing the only autist in the country, thereby landing yourself in jail)
07:13 mircea_popescu more or less. in this case it's mostly because you probably don't speak spanish to a level acceptable in court.
07:13 copypaste i come close
07:14 mircea_popescu then you mgiht diy.
07:15 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362849 << this did not happen with sov citizens. normally there is some bantustan which is in an immediate hurry to lay claim to the fragments of the old empire
07:15 assbot Logged on 08-01-2016 11:26:48; copypaste: i have a feeling this will soon happen on a massive scale to Americans, when the USG goes under
07:15 asciilifeform whether the bantustan passport does you any good, is separate question
07:15 asciilifeform but it is actually possible not to end up with one
07:15 asciilifeform i, for instance, never got a ru passport.
07:15 copypaste so you have a soviet passport only ?
07:16 asciilifeform not even. children didn't get passports.
07:16 copypaste so you've never left russia then?
07:16 asciilifeform left.
07:16 copypaste how?
07:16 asciilifeform with parents.
07:16 asciilifeform is how this worked.
07:17 copypaste i see.
07:17 copypaste in USA, you are required to even get passports for your kids
07:17 copypaste even if they are infants
07:17 copypaste otherwise, they cannot come with you
07:17 asciilifeform in usa passport is a travel document
07:18 copypaste sure
07:18 asciilifeform in su - was identifying document that, with some extra verbiage stamped on, doubled as travel passport
07:18 copypaste actually, once i got mine i started using it as an identification document, which would lead to weird looks
07:18 copypaste due to the main ID document in USA being a driver's license
07:18 copypaste but due to my disability, i do not drive
07:19 copypaste you can get a "non drivers driver license" (real name), but the line was so long and i already had a passport
07:19 asciilifeform folks who do not drive in usa typically get issued peculiar non-driving driver's license
07:19 asciilifeform (yes)
07:19 asciilifeform it is stamped 'not valid for driving' or the like
07:19 copypaste yes, i happened to have recieved the passport before the other one
07:19 copypaste so i just never got the other one
07:19 copypaste since the passport sufficed, even at banks
07:20 copypaste i haven't been in the USA since 2014 though
07:20 asciilifeform phun phakt, most folks in usaschwitz have no passport.
07:20 asciilifeform they don't need it.
07:20 asciilifeform (where to go? and why?)
07:20 copypaste well, the world is much larger than the USA
07:20 copypaste to get a job, just to travel, plenty of reasons
07:20 asciilifeform l0l! job?! would ~you~ employ such a person ?
07:20 asciilifeform to do what ?
07:21 copypaste i got mine to meet an online friend i'd had since i was a small child
07:21 * asciilifeform bbl, off to the mines
07:21 copypaste typically, doctors, engineers, and so on
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07:22 copypaste no need to hire the lowest common denominator in the US, but there are plenty (well, some) intellectuals perhaps worth hiring
07:26 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00048974 = 1.5672 BTC [-] {2}
07:36 mircea_popescu <asciilifeform> they don't need it. << yes but the problem is in their head.
07:40 mircea_popescu !up kristapsk
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07:55 mircea_popescu https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CX73jDVU0AA4l4R.jpg:large << the reason pimps use main bitches is that no thing on god's earth is or ever could be as hard on a cocksucker as another cocksucker just like her.
07:55 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1THEj1O )
07:59 punkman copypaste: you can't "cloudflare" your email server << half the startups point their mx to gmail
08:00 punkman asciilifeform: srsly, szabo was there ? << I'm surprised how many szabos have joined the blockchain-tards
08:00 mircea_popescu yup. that's the idea there.
08:00 mircea_popescu all mail must be gmail.
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08:00 punkman even Koblitz joined Ethereum
08:00 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362766 << they're plus size MODELS. not plus size women. like saying this is a very tall ant. no, it doesn't mean it's a two meter tall ant.
08:00 assbot Logged on 08-01-2016 03:59:00; punkman: those don't look plus-size
08:01 mircea_popescu anyway, i vaguely recall some testing the waters re how urls are evil and hurt the eyes of the moo moos.
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08:01 mircea_popescu i doubt the notion went away.
08:02 mircea_popescu heck, apple made the concept of "filesystem" go away, they somehow sell tablets with no filesystem interraction exposed.
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08:03 punkman plus-size to me means so big you have to go to the one special plus-size clothes store, because nobody else has enough fabric to cover your ass.
08:03 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362804 << or they could just go back to paypal, which is exactly what that is.
08:03 assbot Logged on 08-01-2016 10:43:35; shinohai: Anyone that seriously thinks SPV mining is good should be strangled with the blockchain.
08:04 mircea_popescu yes, but when i hire women to be women, as opposed to do any actual job, i have strict standards. hence the "over 180 cm tall, exactly 19 bmi, etc"
08:04 mircea_popescu the standards may vary, but rarely.
08:05 mircea_popescu and holy shit that can't be ALL the food brands unilever owns.
08:06 mircea_popescu i don't even know two thirds of them. magnum iirc is some shitty icecream, lipton's the sort of tea one drinks when no tea is available
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08:06 mircea_popescu what the fuck is all that other shit and what's with the heartshape fixation ?
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08:06 mircea_popescu o look, slimfast. lol.
08:15 punkman mircea_popescu: and holy shit that can't be ALL the food brands unilever owns. << I bet there's a lot more than those
08:18 punkman https://www.unilever.com/brands/?page=7&Category=408118 << 7 pages * 16 brands = 112
08:18 assbot Brands | Unilever global company website ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZeVj6s )
08:21 shinohai https://i.imgur.com/vAUirGP.jpg <<< Bitcoin lottery xD
08:21 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZeVQpc )
08:30 punkman http://clinton.presidentiallibraries.us/items/show/48779
08:30 assbot Declassified documents concerning Tony Blair · Clinton Digital Library ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZeXeYR )
08:31 punkman shinohai, what was that qr code?
08:33 shinohai probably someone's addy, I didnt scan it\
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09:18 ben_vulpes http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362921 << an /argentine/ lawyer?
09:18 assbot Logged on 08-01-2016 12:12:13; mircea_popescu: no dude. it means hiring a lawyer.
09:23 ben_vulpes !up ascii_butugychag
09:23 ben_vulpes good morning
09:24 ascii_butugychag guten morgen herr vulpes
09:24 ben_vulpes und dich, stas
09:24 ascii_butugychag http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362989 << this is an ancient evil. see aol 'keywords' and similar
09:24 assbot Logged on 08-01-2016 13:01:34; mircea_popescu: anyway, i vaguely recall some testing the waters re how urls are evil and hurt the eyes of the moo moos.
09:25 ascii_butugychag http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362974 << l0l, you would hire an american doctor if you had a choice? or engineer ?
09:25 assbot Logged on 08-01-2016 12:21:37; copypaste: typically, doctors, engineers, and so on
09:26 ascii_butugychag http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362985 << non-gmail (and non-microshit, etc.) has been more or less exterminated
09:26 assbot Logged on 08-01-2016 13:00:18; mircea_popescu: all mail must be gmail.
09:26 copypaste i wouldn't, but plenty of people would. the average person in the philippines views foreigners as being smart and better educated than them
09:26 copypaste so if they had to choose between a filipino doctor, or american doctor, they'd go for the american
09:26 ascii_butugychag (some of the larger megacorps still run own mail, but along more or less same principles as gmail)
09:26 copypaste that's also why many cognoscenti here all studied abroad
09:26 copypaste it's "worth" more
09:27 ascii_butugychag copypaste: this plague is ubiquitous in the 'orc' world
09:27 ascii_butugychag problem is that their notion of 'american' comes from 1980s vhs tapes
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09:27 ascii_butugychag (as mine did)
09:27 copypaste indeed
09:27 copypaste i'm not saying their beliefs are accurate, but inaccurate beliefs held dearly still affect their actions
09:27 ascii_butugychag actual americans are similar to filiponos but with fewer life skills and less resilient to stressors
09:28 ascii_butugychag *filipinos
09:28 ascii_butugychag http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362998 << the ersatz tea is ubiquitous here
09:28 assbot Logged on 08-01-2016 13:06:26; mircea_popescu: i don't even know two thirds of them. magnum iirc is some shitty icecream, lipton's the sort of tea one drinks when no tea is available
09:28 ascii_butugychag just barely drinkable
09:29 ascii_butugychag sorta like the water you get from washing a pot after normal tea
09:29 copypaste also ascii_butugychag, you moved the goalposts. the CIA and FBI don't use gmail, and that's who we were talking about as far as A records are concerned
09:29 copypaste it's true that most emails are internal, but surely they aren't all
09:29 copypaste for example, FBI agent asking NSA for a record
09:30 copypaste NSA asking FBI if he wants to go to a BBQ
09:30 ascii_butugychag copypaste: it will happen over siprnet or the like
09:30 copypaste i'm sure they'd notice quickly if fbi.gov mail went down
09:30 ascii_butugychag not over ddosnet
09:30 davout http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362848 <<< didn't this actually happen too?
09:30 assbot Logged on 08-01-2016 11:26:32; copypaste: well it's about a guy whose country ceases to exist and he gets stuck in an airport arrival area for over a year
09:30 copypaste yes davout, based on a true story
09:30 ascii_butugychag copypaste: usg has own 'wan'
09:31 ascii_butugychag that is, iirc, largely carried over dedicated wires
09:31 copypaste ascii_butugychag: oh, i didn't know that. interesting
09:32 ascii_butugychag but sure, the clerks also have 'human' email
09:32 ascii_butugychag typically runs on microshit.
09:35 ben_vulpes infuckingvariably.
09:35 ben_vulpes hospitals idem
09:36 ben_vulpes hallmark of tentacle-entites is blue text in html emails.
09:36 davout " Alfred Mehran », est un réfugié iranien qui a vécu dans le terminal 1 de l'aéroport Roissy-Charles de Gaulle du 8 août 1988 jusqu'en août 2006 (soit 18 ans)1, date à laquelle il a été hospitalisé pour une cause inconnue."
09:36 davout https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mehran_Karimi_Nasseri <<< the true story
09:36 assbot Mehran Karimi Nasseri — Wikipédia ... ( http://bit.ly/1kSlpcC )
09:37 ascii_butugychag http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362991 << hey, nintendo doesn't expose filesystem either! and nobody seems to complain...
09:37 assbot Logged on 08-01-2016 13:02:12; mircea_popescu: heck, apple made the concept of "filesystem" go away, they somehow sell tablets with no filesystem interraction exposed.
09:38 ben_vulpes god bless coredata
09:38 ben_vulpes because i really wanted a shitty wrapper around shitqlite
09:39 punkman fucking UPS. pay for 1-2day shipping and get 6day shipping instead, even if the weather is fine and there's over 9000 planes flying towards my mailbox.
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09:47 shinohai I feel your shipping frustrations punkman, I made an order from a guy on 12/27 he marked my order shipped then told me yesterday he had logistics issues and didn't.
09:50 punkman shinohai: I wonder what I have to do to get actual "express" shipping
09:51 shinohai ikr I paid the extra $12 in BTC for priority too :/
09:52 shinohai I could have ordered the shit from some seedy Chinese person and already have gotten it here.
09:53 davout punkman: get your fucking pilot's license
09:53 davout (which is an entirely different thing than pilot fucking license mind you)
09:53 kakobrekla well i sent two packs of condoms to thailand about 2 weeks ago, arrived in ~3 days, from eu.
09:53 davout lolwut
09:54 shinohai Where to kakobrekla, phuket ?
09:54 kakobrekla to Chiang mai
09:54 punkman in other shipping mysteries, I ordered some widget from China in August I think, there was a non-working tracking no., 45 days later I ask merchant what's up with it, says they were actually out of stock at time of order, didn't even ship it and they won't be getting any more stock from factory. Couple days ago, I get a notice from post office with that tracking no.
09:55 kakobrekla a friend went there for a few months and they dont have condoms that would fit him there
09:55 punkman lol
09:55 davout lol
09:56 punkman only two packs though?
09:56 kakobrekla two ten packs yeah.
10:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4806 @ 0.00049078 = 2.3587 BTC [+]
10:04 jurov i never actually saw chinese post tracking site working
10:06 jurov at most i get chinese message that yields (via google translator) "currently not available"
10:09 punkman at best you get a date when the thing left china, and it usually shows up on local post office tracking too
10:10 mircea_popescu <copypaste> i wouldn't, but plenty of people would. the average person in the philippines views foreigners as being smart and better educated than them <<< this happens to also be right.
10:11 punkman also they often ship through other countries like hong-kong, so you might get better results going to one of those 3rd party tracking sites that check many companies at once
10:11 copypaste mircea_popescu: let me qualify that further, americans
10:11 mircea_popescu heh. yeah, vhs tapes.
10:11 copypaste because i'm ill, i go to doctors a lot. it's cheap in the third world, and they write me prescriptions for things that are hard to get in the US. so anyway, i always go see chinese doctors.
10:12 copypaste there are american doctors which see foreigners, and also filipinos who studied in america
10:12 copypaste but i prefer seeing chinese doctors.
10:12 jurov copypaste: if you have hungarian ancestors, you can get their passport, too
10:12 copypaste i have ukranian ancestors
10:12 mircea_popescu chinese the new jew huh
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10:12 jurov copypaste: the part that was former "large hungary" counts, too
10:13 jurov hungarians are funny as that
10:13 copypaste oh wow
10:13 mircea_popescu lol. hungarians are what, 60% living abroad by now ?
10:13 copypaste part of hungary is in ukraine
10:13 mircea_popescu copypaste wouldn't advise it tho, highest suicide rate outside of japan.
10:13 copypaste (the old hungary at least)
10:14 copypaste i'll think about it. i bet my mother has proof of her mother's USSR citizenship
10:14 copypaste (ukraine)
10:14 copypaste and if it's in the area of greater hungary, that would be an awesome, free way to get a passport :D
10:14 punkman we don't have foreign doctors here, but people are prejudice against doctors that have foreign medical degrees from Bulgaria, Yugoslavia, Romania, Italy and others.
10:15 jurov !v ascii_butugychag
10:15 assbot Invalid verfication string.
10:15 jurov !up ascii_butugychag
10:15 mircea_popescu that's ridiculous. romania is way better for medicine than pretty much everything else in that part of the world.
10:15 mircea_popescu france, germany etc y compris.
10:15 ascii_butugychag jurov: afaik you still have to live there for a while, to get ukr passport
10:16 mircea_popescu meanwhile i have yet to meet a greek professional who wasn't a) actually jewish and b) abroad.
10:16 mircea_popescu ascii_butugychag there's worse ways to pass the time than with the sluts of budapest.
10:16 ascii_butugychag was thinking of .ua
10:16 mircea_popescu why ua ? he's not trying to get ork citizensheep
10:16 jurov ascii_butugychag: i only know it was targeted to hu minorities that never lived in any version of hu
10:17 ascii_butugychag ah i misread
10:17 ascii_butugychag l0l
10:17 mircea_popescu <ascii_butugychag> sorta like the water you get from washing a pot after normal tea << quite exactly lol! i wonder if this is actually what they were shooting for.
10:17 ascii_butugychag i dare say it was
10:17 ascii_butugychag just like american 'non-fat milk'
10:17 copypaste hmm
10:17 mircea_popescu <copypaste> ascii_butugychag: oh, i didn't know that. interesting << eh he's making shit up. usg doesn't have own pot to piss in.
10:18 ascii_butugychag is exactly like what you get when you wash a bottle from normal milk
10:18 copypaste how hard is it to fake being a jew?
10:18 ascii_butugychag mircea_popescu: siprnet et al exist
10:18 mircea_popescu heck, the tanks the us army "deploys" are all rentals.
10:18 copypaste maybe i really am one, i could have a jewish ancestor
10:18 copypaste i could get an israeli passport
10:18 copypaste wouldn't that be fun
10:18 copypaste i should research my family tree
10:18 ascii_butugychag mircea_popescu: runs over, iirc, sprint's infrastructure (earlier, classical at&t)
10:19 mircea_popescu punkman> shinohai: I wonder what I have to do to get actual "express" shipping << not live in greece ? :D
10:19 ascii_butugychag i would like to live in the parallel universe mircea_popescu is posting from
10:19 ascii_butugychag where american tanks are rentals
10:19 mircea_popescu ascii_butugychag they get repossessed more often than rent-a-cars!
10:20 * ascii_butugychag recalls the german division which operated wholly sov tanks
10:20 mircea_popescu <kakobrekla> to Chiang mai <<< doing his part to stop global... warming.
10:20 thestringpuller So rumor has it. Bitpay can't get another round of funding with current leadership.
10:21 thestringpuller Although the VC's won't publicly condemn the leadership.
10:21 mircea_popescu to no-one's surprise that's been following the discussion here.
10:21 ascii_butugychag has mit covered the shortfall yet ?
10:21 mircea_popescu heh.
10:21 ascii_butugychag or will it be stanford this time? princeyaleton?
10:22 mircea_popescu you don't understand how the usg works. they ain't got a pot to piss in, and consequently won't be actually coverin gany shortfalls. all they got is a whole lot of pretense based on a whole lot of puffery.
10:22 mircea_popescu so if you're willing to not ask for the shortfall be covered, they're willing to blabla MIT !1 bla bla bla around you.
10:22 mircea_popescu that's as far as that goes.
10:22 mircea_popescu much like the junior high fuck club.
10:22 * ascii_butugychag sadly knows how usg works
10:23 punkman mircea_popescu: punkman> shinohai: I wonder what I have to do to get actual "express" shipping << not live in greece ? :D << probably gonna be worse in the places I'd like to live at next
10:23 mircea_popescu you don't get any cunt, but you do get to hang out with a bunch of obnoxious teens who act as if you did.
10:23 ascii_butugychag usg has, like or not, plenty of money to throw around. i have seen the golden toilets.
10:23 ascii_butugychag not every single clerk is sitting on them, true
10:24 mircea_popescu pfff.
10:25 mircea_popescu thestringpuller http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=23-01-2015#989302 << blast from teh pasts!
10:25 assbot Logged on 23-01-2015 16:53:36; mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bingoboingo now that pair is actually trying to resurect bitcoin magazine again, a blow by blow history of exactly how bitpay & the scam foundation stole that magazine from its owners a coupla years ago would be quite topical. the forum's got a pile of posts, see vladimir's stuff, maybe even interview him.
10:26 ascii_butugychag i finally realized, though, where mircea_popescu gets his odd notions of usg life
10:26 ascii_butugychag he talks to the chix
10:26 mircea_popescu quite.
10:26 ascii_butugychag who, yes, live in the cube farmz.
10:26 mircea_popescu i fuck their daughters, trophy wives et all.
10:26 mircea_popescu mno.
10:27 thestringpuller asciilifeform: thought you might have, at $rupturefarmz << Funny how Oddworld is the first result when put 'Rupture Farms' into google
10:27 ascii_butugychag 'trophy wife' implies brass ?
10:27 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=12-01-2015#974421 since we're doing blastfrompastism
10:27 assbot Logged on 12-01-2015 17:37:34; mircea_popescu: there's a ton of bitpay exceptionalism / captn of industry-ism flooding out of reddit. in point of fact, bitpay is a struggling start-up that missed the boat.
10:28 mircea_popescu ascii_butugychag well... yeah, it does.
10:31 thestringpuller ;;google rupture farms
10:31 gribble Rupture Farms - Facebook: <https://www.facebook.com/pages/Rupture-Farms/187904211240564>; Oddworld: New 'n' Tasty - Rupture Farms Speed Run Walkthrough ...: <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsebfE9ePKo>; Oddworld Abe's Oddysee Rupture Farms Intro PS1 - YouTube: <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JRoyc2LKRg>
10:31 thestringpuller google you suck
10:32 ascii_butugychag thestringpuller: no this is correct
10:32 ascii_butugychag it is from that piece
10:32 ascii_butugychag 'they say it's the biggest meat processing plant on oddworld....'
10:36 ascii_butugychag in other nyooz, 'It looks like lxr.linux.no has closed without notice some time during the first half of 2014. Whether there is a backup of LXRng is unknown.'
10:37 mircea_popescu heh
10:48 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2865 @ 0.00049161 = 1.4085 BTC [+] {2}
11:00 punkman https://github.com/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=lxrng plenty of em
11:00 assbot Search · lxrng · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1n83XT9 )
11:01 deedbot- [Trilema] No Such lAbs (S.NSA), December 2015 Statement - http://trilema.com/2016/no-such-labs-snsa-december-2015-statement/
11:01 ben_vulpes here's one for pete to rip apart: http://www.byclintedwards.com/2016/01/my-son-wants-to-make-money-my-daughter-wants-to-marry-a-rich-prince-heres-the-problem-2.html/
11:01 assbot My son wants to make money. My daughter wants to marry a rich prince. Here’s the problem. | No Idea What I'm Doing: A Daddy Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1n84dl4 )
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11:29 deedbot- [Trilema] Is internet.bs getting sued ? Is anon chickenshit getting doxxed ? A drama of our times! - http://trilema.com/2016/is-internetbs-getting-sued-is-anon-chickenshit-getting-doxxed-a-drama-of-our-times/
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11:29 BingoBoingo http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362999 << Unilever collects brands once owned by dying businesses for the supermarket shelf space.
11:29 assbot Logged on 08-01-2016 13:06:39; mircea_popescu: what the fuck is all that other shit and what's with the heartshape fixation ?
11:30 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo yeah a sort of iab for fmcg, i know.
11:31 BingoBoingo It's just amazing the way the typical supermarket makes more money selling shelf space than it does selling... products.
11:31 assbot AMAZING COMPANY!
11:31 BingoBoingo Because who wants to be a shopkeep when you can be a landlord
11:32 mircea_popescu kinda how the world works. typical strip club makes more money selling titshelf space than it does selling booze
11:32 mircea_popescu etc.
11:32 thestringpuller https://github.com/ZoomT/bitcoin/commit/a87d5ab2c703c524428197df53607c2235c417f3#diff-7ec3c68a81efff79b6ca22ac1f1eabbaR3101 << so if the block is empty, what's the point? miners can just mine empty transactions pushing all other data to another data structure without breaking anything?
11:33 mircea_popescu the march of "civilisation". replace things with the fetish of things, items with tokens "representing" items and so on.
11:33 mircea_popescu the road to perdition is paved with ever increased abstractions.
11:38 mircea_popescu ;;ud bsw
11:38 gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bsw | Saw a BSW walking downtown but didn't stop, thought LE was nearby. ... BSW. Bitch Slut Whore; Someone who is annoying in many different ways; Nickname.
11:39 thestringpuller Hmmm. So node would broadcast tx and would never see it confirm...that's broken behavior imo.
11:42 BingoBoingo http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1363063 << In southern IL UPS is the worst. Mega UPS hubs in Chicago means packages routinely bounce between CAHS and World Port before ending up in Danville before coming anywhere near St Louis.
11:42 assbot Logged on 08-01-2016 14:39:46; punkman: fucking UPS. pay for 1-2day shipping and get 6day shipping instead, even if the weather is fine and there's over 9000 planes flying towards my mailbox.
11:49 shinohai http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1363181 <<< ooooh the plot thickens!
11:49 assbot Logged on 08-01-2016 16:29:02; deedbot-: [Trilema] Is internet.bs getting sued ? Is anon chickenshit getting doxxed ? A drama of our times! - http://trilema.com/2016/is-internetbs-getting-sued-is-anon-chickenshit-getting-doxxed-a-drama-of-our-times/
11:49 mircea_popescu heh.
11:49 mircea_popescu http://91.218.246.33/ for the record :D
11:49 assbot Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1n8cy8n )
11:50 adlai thestringpuller:i'd rather have miners publishing empty blocks instead of confirming nickle-fee TXs, than have them blindly hand over what little power they do have to some random plutocracy
11:50 shinohai Might this grow into a protracted battle?
11:50 mircea_popescu i really don't see how.
11:51 mircea_popescu afaik a registrar has the authority to do exactly nothing. that said, i suppose they may try to steal the domain. not like similar stuff hasn't happened in the past (anyone recall the sex.com saga ?)
11:54 BingoBoingo In other news revamped my desk's noise generators. Instead of ~150 CFM of external fan, ~11 CFM is now producing adequate noise to cool machine.
11:54 mircea_popescu lol adequate noise to coll machine.
11:56 BingoBoingo Turns out better thermal grease actually does make a big difference
11:57 mircea_popescu it does.
11:59 thestringpuller adlai: i'd rather not have to choose between multiple bowls of shit for dinner.
11:59 BingoBoingo Couldn't use the stuff with silver because surface mounted stuff on chip not covered by metal cap. Still about 10C cooler than yesterday.
12:01 thestringpuller !up ascii_butugychag
12:01 ascii_butugychag some lulz re: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=07-01-2016#1362006 :
12:01 assbot Logged on 07-01-2016 01:38:57; mircea_popescu: " and then you look at the code and it's the same set of aggressive, google employed queergenders." << actually yes.
12:01 ascii_butugychag https://trac.macports.org/ticket/49149
12:01 assbot #49149 (Current install of qt4-mac 4.8.7_2 fails to install qmake) – MacPorts ... ( http://bit.ly/1n8dREc )
12:02 kakobrekla some if not most silver thermal pastes dont actually conduct electricity
12:02 ascii_butugychag 'It does install qmake, just not where it was installed before. ..... This change was made to allow parallel install of qt4 and qt5 (and, possible, other qt# variations). If you're having issues with other ports that depend on qt4-mac, please open a ticket for each and/or list them here & we will work hard to get them fixed promptly.
12:02 mircea_popescu ^
12:02 ascii_butugychag '... We knew this change would break other ports, but given that there are some 100 ports that depend on qt4-mac, we can't test them all. Thanks for your understanding.'
12:02 mircea_popescu i never heard of metal colloid thermopaste shorting anything
12:02 ascii_butugychag mircea_popescu: what do you suppose a resistor is made of ?
12:02 mircea_popescu ceramics ?
12:03 ascii_butugychag take the paste, take ohmmeter, see
12:03 ascii_butugychag doesn't so much matter that it is a paste.
12:03 mircea_popescu by this theory a good way to make a window is by mixing diamonds in the concrete.
12:05 ben_vulpes ascii_butugychag: if you're looking for something to do with those old mac laptops, openbsd 5.8 runs like a dream on 'em
12:05 ascii_butugychag ben_vulpes: this is not an old laptop
12:05 ascii_butugychag this is butugychag laptop.
12:06 mircea_popescu bluish hue ?
12:06 ascii_butugychag and if your 'runs like a dream' doesn't include motherfucking suspend mode, i'm not interested
12:07 kakobrekla what ascii is saying, take water and measure conductivity while gradually adding salts, but silver pastes are [mostly] safe in this user case
12:07 kakobrekla distilled water that is.
12:07 mircea_popescu and what if i take distilled water and add silver shavings ?
12:08 ben_vulpes ascii_butugychag: i'll check in on zzz and ZZZ, ascii_butugychag
12:08 kakobrekla they will sink :)
12:08 mircea_popescu " we can't test them all. Thanks for your understanding." << what the fuck are we understanding ? that the kids don't belong anywhere near a computer, off to the farm ?
12:09 ascii_butugychag zzz?
12:09 adlai thestringpuller: "you eat [bowls] of shit for [dinner]?"
12:09 ben_vulpes bsd suspend-to-ram and suspend-to-disk iiuc
12:09 linton_s_dawson oleganza discusses a way to attack non-upgrading nodes: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3zu8bh/til_in_2016_you_cannot_prevent_soft_forks_in/cyqhbc8
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12:09 assbot oleganza comments on TIL in 2016: You cannot prevent soft forks in Bitcoin! ... ( http://bit.ly/1n8fbqE )
12:09 mircea_popescu ascii_butugychag incidentally does your desktop do "suspend mode" ? if not why not ?
12:10 mircea_popescu linton_s_dawson funny that all the poorfags are so preoccupied with THIS nowadays, huh.
12:10 ascii_butugychag mircea_popescu: desktop doesn't go in motherfucking briefcase
12:10 ben_vulpes also, this machine is not suited to be a portable anymore.
12:10 * adlai notes that bitcoin.org's latest "Appendix A" is basically a restatement of his latest qntra's "footnote #3"
12:10 ben_vulpes aged, delicate, valuable. should be treated as such.
12:10 * ben_vulpes will be acquiring more vintage hardware in this vein
12:10 adlai (it deals with wtf "hard" and "soft" forking means, which most derps seem to assume they understand)
12:11 ascii_butugychag and if the windows don't go back to their places when different sets of monitors are unplugged and re-plugged, also not interested
12:11 ben_vulpes ascii_butugychag: sounds like a problem for your window manager
12:11 ben_vulpes x11 wms do this better than os x does.
12:11 ascii_butugychag and i'm not interested in spending ANOTHER MOTHERFUCKING SIX MONTHS fighting the graphics card driver
12:12 ascii_butugychag ben_vulpes: on WHICH portable gpu ?
12:12 ascii_butugychag does x11 run worth SHIT
12:12 ben_vulpes i doubt it's leveraging the gpu at all
12:12 ben_vulpes listen, i just want a machine that's not running os x with the hardware quality build of the golden-era macintosh laptops.
12:13 ben_vulpes if that means working in terminals or not using any chrome in x11, so be it.
12:13 ascii_butugychag keep in mind, if there aren't at least 2880 pixels horizontally, i'm not interested.
12:13 ascii_butugychag and i can't maths in a terminal.
12:13 mircea_popescu i can maths in my sleep!
12:14 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> i never heard of metal colloid thermopaste shorting anything << Apparently with silver colloid a concern is possibility of becoming capacitive after cooking long enough. Silver is always a special case because grand chamption conductor
12:14 ascii_butugychag go generate 10,000 node flow graph in your sleep, thx
12:14 mircea_popescu i suppose.
12:14 mircea_popescu ascii_butugychag that's not math that's kandinsky.
12:15 ben_vulpes anyways, your penchant for finding what is wrong with anything aside, openbsd happily supplants os x on mac hardware. for those willing to endure some pain to get away from the shitgnomes, and who have not been obsessively tending a gentoo installation since 1999.
12:15 ascii_butugychag 'some pain'
12:15 ascii_butugychag as in, NOTHING which i actually ~need~ on the job, works
12:15 ben_vulpes life is suffering.
12:15 ascii_butugychag but that's ok, broomstick, aha?
12:15 ben_vulpes either under the reign of steve or others.
12:15 kakobrekla BingoBoingo but you dont smear it over the whole cpu do you ? an also you can just tape over any elect conducting parts, no?
12:15 ben_vulpes this is not a machine for $work
12:16 ascii_butugychag i get paid to make xyz happen. and the budget makes provisions for shooting, say, up to six rabid weasels. BUT NOT 6,666,666.
12:17 mircea_popescu incidentally, anyone can conceive of any reason NOT to have an apple-microsoft merger ?
12:17 ascii_butugychag mircea_popescu: same reason today as in 1997
12:18 ascii_butugychag ceremonial antitrust
12:18 ascii_butugychag (ditto intel & amd)
12:18 ascii_butugychag also each relies on the good-cop/bad-cop symbiosis
12:18 mircea_popescu i bet you i could justify 100mn in bonuses for myself + 1-2bn in consulting fees for everyone involved doing a hp-compaq deal out of these two
12:18 mircea_popescu then some dumb broad could preside over it to get all the social media femitards hot and bothered
12:18 mircea_popescu and then... welll... ibm is still arouind, right ?
12:19 ascii_butugychag would you also try to merge... the products ?
12:19 ascii_butugychag because wtf
12:19 mircea_popescu what products ?
12:19 mircea_popescu ms always wanted a phone, apple always wanted an os.
12:19 mircea_popescu it's automerged.
12:19 BingoBoingo kakobrekla: I did the make a dot and let the heatsink smash it into place thing. There is a tape shim that goes over rest of CPU already, but old paste found its way under there before I removed it.
12:19 ascii_butugychag 'apple always wanted an os' -- is mircea_popescu posting from 1995 ?
12:19 ascii_butugychag dafuq
12:20 mircea_popescu eh spare me. they don't have an os.
12:20 mircea_popescu they stole some foss and filed the serials off, butterfly labs style.
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12:20 adlai mircea_popescu: "illusion of choice" aka pretty much the only talent that .il still encourages youngsters to hone... salesmanship
12:21 mircea_popescu pfff. nobody actively makes that choice anymore. it's like encouraging the choice of stick vs nonstick driving.
12:21 mircea_popescu forget it.
12:21 mircea_popescu the people who run "whatever i just want to" and the people who "fuck you, drop dead" are the only remaining division, and in this context the two staying unmerged is nonsensical.
12:21 * adlai knows at least one person who graduated from not-choosing to linux, and that's one-too-many for moloch
12:22 BingoBoingo * adlai notes that bitcoin.org's latest "Appendix A" is basically a restatement of his latest qntra's "footnote #3" << Make a blog point this out. If ben_vulpes can blog so can you.
12:22 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo he's still recovering from the castrating influence of bad parenting, doesn't quite feel at ease rubbing loser's nose in their own shit.
12:22 adlai the trouble with a blog is that it rapidly fills up with your own bullshit. people get so sick of my bullshit at ~100x dilution, in here; imagine how bad it'd get in my own garden
12:23 mircea_popescu for all you know chicks will read it and fill your inbox with written tits.
12:23 mircea_popescu happened to me.
12:23 BingoBoingo adlai: But shitting in your own garden is actually beneficial. The plants like it.
12:24 BingoBoingo adlai: Anyways wouldn't writing a simple CL blogotron for your own use be a welcome sanity break from the scalplsd
12:25 adlai in other phamily-related news, my lispm arbitrage has failed, due to usg-sponsor eagerness to sponsor as much as possible... but therein lies the arb, and anybody who does sponsor usg (or have family who do) is welcome and encouraged to pursue this further
12:26 adlai in case the signal was too noisy right there: buying a working lisp machine, and donating it to a museum (of which there are several in the DC area), will get you a nice tax break
12:26 adlai ofc you (or the other end of your arbitrage) need to already be paying usg taxes, but there are a bunch of people who do
12:26 mircea_popescu kinda how all museums were built.
12:27 kakobrekla i dont really see the point in the 'working' part
12:27 kakobrekla it not like they will be turning it on and it will stop working over time with noone to fix it around
12:27 adlai BingoBoingo: cl blogotrons exist, these days my blog-time is spent 'auditing' coleslaw vs hyde. scalpl, otoh, is pretty much one of a kind; cf ascii_butugychag on professional vs plebescite tooling...
12:28 mircea_popescu he has a point.
12:28 adlai mircea_popescu lacks an unambiguous antecedent
12:28 mircea_popescu kakobrekla
12:29 ascii_butugychag adlai: this is a sad joke, the machine's value is more or less ENTIRELY in the fact that it WORKS
12:29 adlai so break it on the way over, i don't care! but all else aside, it's more educational to the budding usg-arsonist if they can play with a working doodad
12:29 ascii_butugychag non-working but identically-appearing boxes are much cheaper
12:29 ascii_butugychag and more common.
12:29 mircea_popescu ascii_butugychag from his pov, the value of the machine is entirely in "what you paidf for it"
12:29 adlai ... and what ascii_butugychag just said.
12:29 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12300 @ 0.00048974 = 6.0238 BTC [-]
12:30 ascii_butugychag my point is that museum can get it considerably cheaper.
12:30 adlai mircea_popescu: you do need to get the museum to agree that your donation was worth anything
12:30 ascii_butugychag and 'what i paid for it' is almost NOTHING
12:30 ascii_butugychag so fuck that.
12:31 * adlai failed his arbitrage on this basis - usg-sponsor doesn't want to engage museum(s) in negotiation, but maybe $alertLurker does
12:31 mircea_popescu adlai notrly. as long as they take it, it's not their job to value it for fiscality.
12:31 adlai you have to get a receipt (/me is not enough of a taxpayer to get the exact word right, maybe it's something else?) attesting to the value of your donation
12:32 adlai you have to get a receipt (/me is not enough of a taxpayer to get the exact word right, maybe it's something else?) attesting to the value of your donation
12:32 adlai !up ascii_butugychag
12:32 ascii_butugychag adlai is correct
12:33 * adlai is also drunk, late for dinner, overleveraged on hopium, etc etc... bbl
12:34 adlai but please, this is applicable to ANY USG TAXPAYER in the audience. 3btc = nice tax break!
12:34 adlai all you need is somebody to drive the thing to a museum and negotiate a little
12:34 adlai (not necessarily in that order)
12:35 mircea_popescu the museum doesn't issue the fucking receipt lol. whoever you buy it from does.
12:35 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> the museum doesn't issue the fucking receipt lol. whoever you buy it from does. << Actually in USia receipts are given by museums/charities for donations
12:36 mircea_popescu yes. on the basis of the provenance documents.
12:36 mircea_popescu "this vase so and so was donated to us by x who bought it at an auction held by sootheby's valuying it at 4mn".
12:36 BingoBoingo With discrepancy between seller and charity receipts grounds for IRSape
12:37 ascii_butugychag mircea_popescu is correct. otherwise you could set up faux 'museum' and 'donate' junk 'worth' millions.
12:37 ascii_butugychag and just about any serious deviation from your social stature in the spirit of 'peasant doesn't get to own a rembrandt, wtf' will attract auditors very, very quickly in usa.
12:38 ascii_butugychag usg knows very well who has any business writing off serious sums and who does not.
12:40 * adlai hopes that at least one other lurker [knows somebody who] will blink more than once at a 3btc tax deduction
12:41 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4450 @ 0.00048974 = 2.1793 BTC [-]
12:41 mircea_popescu adlai let me put it this way : s.nsa (which according to some doesn't even exist) just threw away ~5 btc over a delivery bet it didn't even HAVE to make. and i forgbot all about it until pete_d said something.
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12:41 mircea_popescu the death of the middle, eh.
12:41 adlai the beautiful thing about the btcfiat market is that it means different things for different people
12:42 * adlai has paid well over current market price for btc... what if those are the btc that ascii would've got?
12:42 mircea_popescu and i'm not even going to pester alf about making another one for 2016 expiry. truth be told i'm rather pleasantly impressed with how s.nsa work is coming along of late.
12:43 * adlai has yet to read latest statement; also, yet to leave pub for dinner date; also, yet to order bill, due to israeli ineptitude at peripheral vision/hearing...
12:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43500 @ 0.00048914 = 21.2776 BTC [-] {6}
13:08 BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all
13:08 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 446.42, vol: 11668.75813234 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 443.926, vol: 5929.14361 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 447.21, vol: 35551.82749648 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 445.0, vol: 0.03058214 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 452.084204, vol: 75315.69070000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 450.0, vol: 137.1533411 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 449.41875, vol: 61.48157177 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
13:09 BingoBoingo ;;more
13:09 gribble 449.844245608
13:17 phf i've noticed that arab lipton yellow label is much better then lipton you get at a general store in u.s. i've made turkish tea for myself with arab lipton in a pinch, but twice i was in a situation where i was brewing tea for random people, so i bought drug store lipton and no matter what i tried doing with it, it just was not drinkable.
13:23 BingoBoingo That sign https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CYNxPROWEAEbZIm.jpg
13:23 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1MXyiZu )
13:23 punkman I buy a couple bags of loose leaf once a year and forget about it
13:35 phf i go through 3-4 kg of tea a year
13:38 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00049048 = 1.5695 BTC [+]
13:52 mircea_popescu samovar and all ?
13:53 mircea_popescu i myself am the absolute worst : i rarely drink tea, but i only drink good tea. makes it practically impossible to drink my own. so, i usually tea per the charity of friends.
13:55 phf i have a wood samovar, but i only use it on camping trings. no, i use iranian method, put a porcelain teapot on top of the kettle
13:56 phf *trips
13:57 phf http://www.fengshuidana.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/securedownload_insert.jpg
13:57 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1mLkXya )
13:59 mircea_popescu o.O
13:59 mircea_popescu so basically you have... a half specified, unstable implementation of a samovar\
13:59 mircea_popescu they can't be that expensive ?
14:00 mircea_popescu i mean i can't justify paying a few grand for one on the grounds of the two cups a year i drink, but you're paying more for the tea as it is.
14:00 thestringpuller mircea_popescu: your friends import tea/grow it themselves?
14:00 phf it's mostly the variety and availability. i can combine various kettles/teapots and get a decent result
14:00 mircea_popescu thestringpuller not afaik, but you know... the man without an oscilloscope goes and visits alf's house whenever he needs one.
14:01 thestringpuller i thought alf would be like seinfeld episode there. "You gonna return it without cheese-y fingerprints over it?"
14:02 mircea_popescu http://www.ebay.com/bhp/samovar << actually apparently you can get one for almost nothing
14:02 assbot Samovar: Collectibles | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1mLlyQp )
14:02 mircea_popescu "Russian Soviet SAMOVAR 3L there are violations of nickel hull see photos. A fantastic collectors item! Regards !!"
14:02 mircea_popescu who knew russkis were such fans of violations.
14:03 phf well wood samovars are out for home use, electric ones i think are mostly gimmicks, i mean i might as well have a trained bear at home
14:04 mircea_popescu afaik samovars were in fact used at the table. iirc even in the us you can get smokeless charcoal delivered
14:05 phf hmm, that's actually worth a try. you still need to heat up the teapot though, so it goes on top of samovar, which means that whatever you burn is going to change the flavor of tea
14:06 phf so fully depends on how smokeless that charcoal actually is, and those that i saw used for grilling tend to produce a nasty chemical miasma
14:07 mircea_popescu of course the us is pretty huge on the whole bbq thing. i can attest i had charcoal-made pulled pork and other such stuff and was wunderbar.
14:07 mircea_popescu phf you mean used by random idiot ? ever been to one of their competitive bbq-offs things ?
14:08 mircea_popescu in other news, "Sexy women dress wholesale, customize fashion lady dress FOB Price: US $15 - 25 / Piece Port: HUANG PU PORT Min. Order: 300 Piece/Pieces"
14:08 phf i'm not surprised that that's a thing, but that sounds awesome
14:08 thestringpuller oh god mircea_popescu is making me hungry
14:09 mircea_popescu i wonder how many people spend 5k to buy 300 dresses fob. send the girls over to pick up.
14:09 mircea_popescu thestringpuller can't even decide if texas or mass is the capital of good bbq.
14:09 mircea_popescu i can't even decide, i mean.
14:10 mircea_popescu but during your us visit i definitely recommend seeing a) a renaissance faire if one's into easy fatties ; b) a bbq-off competition if one's into delicious fats.
14:10 mircea_popescu can even take the pick-ups of a to b for bonus points!
14:15 thestringpuller i'm getting fat as is.
14:16 thestringpuller gf is good about working out and having good body. mine is turning to mush with all this work in the salt mines.
14:18 phf my redneck friends took me to a state fair once, probably best "american" food i've had around DC area. icecream reminds me of the soviet one, that doesn't exist anymore. rich, fatty, none of them "substitutes", they were probably milking cows straight into the icecream mixer
14:18 mircea_popescu and yet another reason i prefer women over men comes to light!
14:18 mircea_popescu phf or their gfs.
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14:19 thestringpuller mircea_popescu: didn't you state a straight male should prefer the company of women over men?
14:19 mircea_popescu i have nfi.
14:19 phf it's an interesting idea, but the kind of stuff their girlfriends eat, i prefer cow milk
14:19 mircea_popescu link ?
14:20 mircea_popescu phf maybe they're vegan. ~equivalent!
14:21 mircea_popescu ;;ud 420
14:21 gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=420 | the term 420 originated at San Rafael High School, in 1971, among a group of about a dozen pot-smoking wiseacres who called themselves the Waldos, who ...
14:21 mircea_popescu this is how we know i'm old.
14:25 thestringpuller i hang out with people older than you on the reg
14:25 mircea_popescu who know what 420 is ?
14:26 thestringpuller yea. like 40 year olds who went to lollapalooza and stuff in the 90's
14:26 phf i once saw a rope suspension of a rather large lady done by a dedicated kinbaku student, instead of pretending like she's not fat, he worked with the material with honesty, and the result was so grotesque that the image got stuck in my head. that's what "milking their girlfriends" brings up in my head, a bunch of docile, suspended cows being
14:26 thestringpuller the generation X kids all growed-up
14:26 mircea_popescu hm. okthen!
14:26 thestringpuller young people suck
14:26 mircea_popescu fortunately.
14:26 thestringpuller i won't hang out with people < 24 anymore
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14:27 thestringpuller 19 year olds are all whiney "I'm going to change the world by doing X, but I have no idea how the world works so I'm just going to ignore that part!!!!11"
14:27 thestringpuller "Maybe you should pick up a book?" "That's not required!!!1111 My opinions matter without education!"
14:29 mircea_popescu let's get back to the sucking part.
14:32 thestringpuller well we know how they suck, i guess now why do they suck?
14:32 phf i recently talked to a 15 year old, who told me that 2015 was more culturally significant then all the years since 1970 combined, he then proceeded to name things that happened in 2015 that i've never heard of. i said "excuse me" and walked away, but i still can't grok it.
14:33 mircea_popescu anything good on the list ?
14:33 phf that's the problem, i don't know anything on the list. someone released some album, someone else said something to someone else during something
14:33 thestringpuller da iPhone was invented!
14:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12774 @ 0.0004912 = 6.2746 BTC [+] {2}
14:33 mircea_popescu virgin 15 yo ?
14:34 phf that's a safe bet
14:34 mircea_popescu jsut you wait till the summer of 69 rolls around.
14:34 mircea_popescu in a coupla more years.
14:36 thestringpuller reminds me of Cowboy Bebop. We'll all be elderly then, "Back in my day..."
14:37 phf i think it's starting to happen, i've heard from a few new york socialites now, that they've been going to carefully crafted versions of burning man like events. sort of coachella or edc, but smaller, with a pretense to roughing it, and with more psychedelics
14:38 mircea_popescu the wot is taking over all teh things!
14:38 thestringpuller Burns are incredibly fun. And honestly it doesn't feel like roughing it. You just bring what you need and just exist. It's freedom from the default world.
14:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4700 @ 0.00049434 = 2.3234 BTC [+]
14:43 phf i'm saying it's decidedly not burns, but event planner organized concerts, that have burn like activities also planned. morning yoga, games, camps all done by professionals. but "like you stay in a tent, and it's like nature" hence roughing it
14:44 phf more kazantip, then afrikaburn
14:46 mircea_popescu i somehow doubt anyone taught them kids how to stay within humanity while camping.
14:48 phf can usually spot an eastern european or an american nature freak by how orderly their setup is. "this is where i cook my morning egg, just like i've been doing for the past 30 years"
14:50 mircea_popescu i was thinking more along the lines of "doesn't know how to wash in a single gallon of water and probably won't even bother splashing it around uselessly unless it's preheated"
14:52 phf very true
14:53 thestringpuller phf: OMG. hit the nail on the head. those are some of the interesting camps tho
14:53 thestringpuller it's like they have a mini house in the form of tents...
14:53 thestringpuller full kitchen. a table. a pantry.
14:54 * mircea_popescu doesn't much care for camper vans because cramped
14:54 thestringpuller i have to admit, i like having a grill when camping.
14:55 thestringpuller save dehydrated food for hiking.
14:56 punkman just need skewers or wire panel
15:00 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5150 @ 0.00049048 = 2.526 BTC [-] {2}
15:02 phf i like to have fire when camping, i spent formative years with su engineers doing ural hikes so as long as there's fire something can be cooked, where's grill has its own rules of engagement
15:05 funkenstein_ greeting y'all
15:05 funkenstein_ i was under the impression y'all had never been out of doors let alone camping
15:06 mats lol
15:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14150 @ 0.00049434 = 6.9949 BTC [+]
15:09 mircea_popescu funkenstein_ need any further proof your "bayesian" approach is not a sort of thinking ? :D
15:13 phf goes back to that thread about fucking and math
15:13 funkenstein_ mircea_popescu, i don't follow bayesian approach sorry
15:14 funkenstein_ but wondering if you have recommendation for me on should I read mircea eliade
15:14 mircea_popescu sure, why not.
15:15 funkenstein_ cool, I will check it out thanks :)
15:17 mircea_popescu funkenstein_ in fairness, i just got primed by some random okcupid retard. here he is : https://www.okcupid.com/profile/fierceEmpath?cf=messages and here's the derpage : http://dpaste.com/3X9GKFG
15:17 assbot fierceEmpath / 25 / Ottawa, Ontario, Canada | OkCupid ... ( http://bit.ly/1UD4XsY )
15:17 assbot dpaste: 3X9GKFG ... ( http://bit.ly/1UD4Zkx )
15:18 mircea_popescu by now a clearer idea of this particular contemporary stupidity of the uneducated but bright young folk is starting to structure itself in my head, and ima call it bayesian.
15:18 phf eliade's "yoga immortality and freedom" is still best exposition
15:18 mircea_popescu it has a lot to do with the sad situation where "everything not encountered before is surprising" - which is, incidentally, just another way to say "i'm stupid".
15:19 mircea_popescu it also has a lot to do with an implicit presumption that the world is comprehensible in a very mechanicist way.
15:19 phf !up Chesterly
15:19 mircea_popescu he for instance reaches for phenomenology (what happened!!!) when nothing on the ground warrants a phenomenological explanation.
15:19 mircea_popescu in clarifying this error, for instgance, eliade would be very useful.
15:19 Chesterly okcupid is lol for sluts
15:19 Chesterly get on tinder
15:19 Chesterly or bumble
15:22 Chesterly mirc, are you in ottawa, canada?
15:23 ben_vulpes Chesterly: do you do any research before spouting off in general?
15:24 Chesterly yes. this was my research: funkenstein_ in fairness, i just got primed by some random okcupid retard.....fierceEmpath / 25 / Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
15:24 Chesterly in my experience, people on okcupid generally message others within their city, not across countries/continents etc.
15:33 phf huh, not the first time somebody joins during a thread to demonstrate thread's point
15:36 mircea_popescu Chesterly no, buenos aires.
15:36 mircea_popescu also
15:36 mircea_popescu !s okcupidslut
15:36 assbot 12 results for 'okcupidslut' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=okcupidslut
15:40 mircea_popescu but, to make it perfectly clear, i don't believe funkenstein_ is to any significant degree related to the foregoing. that'sd what i mean by primed, i just see it everywhere now/
15:46 phf i was referring to what you said about bayesian thinking and then chesterly talking about his experience
15:49 mircea_popescu yeh, i figured.
15:49 mircea_popescu not sure mr f knows it tho, in truth i've been laying into him of late like he were the antichrist or something.
15:50 mircea_popescu but it's quite coincidental.
15:50 mircea_popescu !rated funkenstein_
15:50 assbot You rated user funkenstein_ on 15-Mar-2015, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: New blood.
15:51 mircea_popescu !rate funkenstein_ 2 dwarf banker and not the antichrist.
15:51 assbot Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/3e626c77d8bc9993
15:51 mircea_popescu !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.funkenstein_.2:d7f84b0babafa10cfa3800effcc01ff0257ec4548ac1dee4df8fe7e8c2985c79
15:51 assbot Successfully updated the rating for funkenstein_ from 1 to 2 with note: dwarf banker and not the antichrist.
16:05 phf hmm, bayesian thinking is sort of like if you walk looking at the ground and all you see are tiny twigs and then gradually all you see are tiny rocks and you don't have an ability to pull away and notice that you were walking through forest first and then you're at a base of a mountain. it sometimes "works", becase you've been taught that the two classifications exist so you call first forest and the second mountain, but of course
16:05 phf you've not ~seen~ either. you come across rocky patch in the forest and call it mountain, you call wood chipper pile forest, etc.
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16:26 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14900 @ 0.00049434 = 7.3657 BTC [+]
16:40 thestringpuller mircea_popescu: remember >> "Fiat is not just about money. Fiat is a state of mind, the idea that some magical bureaucrat somewhere can give you new teeth, cure your warts and produce you a wife to order by just saying "fiat"." << I thought a little more about that as I'm reading about more people thinking about savings differently since Bitcoin exists. The compulsion to spend comes very strongly with fiat, whereas the "compuls
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17:05 mircea_popescu phf it's a funny outcrop of "this is everyting".
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17:05 mircea_popescu lemme see if i can do it in math terms.
17:06 mircea_popescu "bayesian thinking" is the equivalent of an algebra so defined that all operators are necessarily idempotent and all functions necessarily contiguous.
17:06 mircea_popescu truly, this simplifies "math" quite a heck of a lot.
17:06 mircea_popescu continuous*
17:06 mircea_popescu basically in that space you'd just cauchy-buniakowski-schwartz the fuck out of everything
17:06 mircea_popescu and even if it didn't work, YOU WOULD NEVER KNOW
17:07 mircea_popescu note that this is exactly what they're actually doing, too.
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17:43 BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all
17:43 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 453.45, vol: 11453.79682566 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 450.882, vol: 6140.68229 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 454.51, vol: 34633.75048508 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 445.0, vol: 0.03058214 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 459.12358, vol: 76205.89970000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 455.22, vol: 111.94217655 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 459.942499989, vol: 59.1356488 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
17:43 BingoBoingo ;;more
17:43 gribble 456.979285411
17:43 deedbot- [Trilema] MPIF (F.MPIF) December 2015 Statement - http://trilema.com/2016/mpif-fmpif-december-2015-statement/
17:51 pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362694 << getting there
17:51 assbot Logged on 08-01-2016 01:14:33; BingoBoingo: ;;later tell pete_dushenski What qntra not authorative enough to publish truefax confirmed in multiple outlets?
17:51 pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362686 << also... getting there
17:51 assbot Logged on 08-01-2016 01:08:57; BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-01-2016#1362521 << No version string testing?
17:52 pete_dushenski wait, kako's a known horse-eater ?
17:53 pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-01-2016#1360451 <--> http://dpaste.com/1M9K976.txt
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17:53 assbot Logged on 04-01-2016 23:54:01; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-01-2016#1360370 << again folks with 'blows up' but no error logz nor any meaningful data that would let me shit forth magical answer re: ~why~
17:53 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZSLc49 )
17:54 pete_dushenski basically, trying to install 'essential' yields "Media change: please insert the disc labeled Debian GNU/Linux 8.2.0 _Jessie_ - Official amd64 CD Binary-1 20150906-11:13' in the drive '/media/cdrom/' and press enter"
17:54 pete_dushenski on debian 7 ^^
17:55 pete_dushenski dunno if this was the same jam that thestringpuller was running into or not. but this is where 'laocoon' is currently stuck
17:56 pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362638 << "stunning" indeed. need moar social sciences funding to get to the root of this deep, deep question
17:56 assbot Logged on 08-01-2016 00:35:57; mircea_popescu: "There is stunningly little knowledge of these people and why they move," << nordic system is a great system, provided you only ask the people who stay behind.
17:56 kakobrekla what about horse?
17:56 pete_dushenski kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362618
17:56 assbot Logged on 08-01-2016 00:24:49; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362614 << somebody wake up kakobrekla !1111
17:57 BingoBoingo "Of the latter, she describes a pattern in which faculty members effectively practice affirmative action for all applicants who are not from East Asia, effectively having one set of GRE standards for the students from China and elsewhere in East Asia and another, lower requirement for everyone else. "
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17:57 BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Horse is delicious
17:57 pete_dushenski i don't doubt it
17:59 BingoBoingo “Grades are increasingly a lousy signal, especially at those elite places that just hand out the A’s. So you don’t even have that anymore,”
17:59 BingoBoingo from https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2016/01/06/new-book-reveals-how-elite-phd-admissions-committees-review-candidates?utm_source=slate&utm_medium=referral&utm_term=partner
17:59 assbot New book reveals how elite Ph.D. admissions committees review candidates | Inside Higher Ed ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZSLI20 )
18:00 kakobrekla dat girl, wife material.
18:11 pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362706 << almost as bad as the gasoline-benzene mixture that mercedes was using at le mans in 1955, which made quite the little *boom* when pierre levegh crashed and firefighters tried to pour water on the fire, only to watch the fire expand as the magnesium body of the car reacted with the water. 83 ppl died in that one.
18:11 assbot Logged on 08-01-2016 01:26:50; mircea_popescu: (in fairness, it was the fuel of choice of f1 engines in the 80s, but it really is much too high octane to use in shitty ro-made engines of the era. not to mention carcinogenic)
18:11 pete_dushenski http://www.ewilkins.com/wilko/pics/picture4.jpg
18:11 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1RzejXh )
18:12 pete_dushenski http://www.ewilkins.com/wilko/pics/picture7.jpg
18:12 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Rzeq5a )
18:12 pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362742 << los alamos eh. nifty.
18:12 assbot Logged on 08-01-2016 03:08:45; asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCDi-UXUo8E << holy fuq.
18:13 kakobrekla oh and yes pete_dushenski got a couple of kilos of horse meat in the fridge and another batch coming in 2 months.
18:14 kakobrekla locally grown, straight from the farmer. not expencive either, 8 euros per kilo.
18:15 pete_dushenski the chicken i buy is $23/kg, the beef $30/kg or so. $12/kg for locally grown, straight from the farmer is a steal of a deal
18:16 mircea_popescu yeah not bad.
18:16 kakobrekla 7 euro for goat.
18:17 kakobrekla but goat needs lots of preparation to make it good, horse not so.
18:17 mircea_popescu primo salmon is ~25 bucks here, 15ish or so for steak
18:17 pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362879 << heh. you're right, it's 1-200 mile range electric cars keeping you fenced in. can't even drive off to phreedom nao.
18:17 assbot Logged on 08-01-2016 12:03:10; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362816 << 'red herring', then as now. passport is not how typical usaschwitz inmate is kept inside the wire.
18:18 pete_dushenski have to stop overnight in every. single. town.
18:19 pete_dushenski imagine how fast they would've caught capone et al. if he fled the scene of every bank robbery in an electric car.
18:19 pete_dushenski s/he/they'd
18:19 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: very reasonable prices
18:20 mircea_popescu anyone remember the red guy as a mall cop with an electric car ?
18:20 pete_dushenski kakobrekla: the ethiopian and indian restaurants around here do goat very well around here
18:20 pete_dushenski paul blart ?
18:22 mircea_popescu nah cow and chicken character
18:22 kakobrekla incidentally i drank goat kefir yesterday - it tastes like licking goat balls
18:22 mircea_popescu now hiow wouyld you know that.
18:22 davout exactly what i was wondering
18:22 kakobrekla educated guess
18:22 davout how does it compare to horse testicles?
18:22 mircea_popescu "rounder"
18:23 davout "need to bend lower to reach"
18:23 kakobrekla anyway, the meat has a similar taste, very strong. needs at least 24hrs preparation to make it taste good.
18:25 thestringpuller mircea_popescu: https://cdn1.lockerdome.com/uploads/76534b67e50e0f4dfad1aeb0496c23661e6a60c47e9b20ec0b775eb69d677205_large << that one
18:26 mircea_popescu yes!
18:26 kakobrekla davout i see bash is still stuck at november ? :)
18:26 davout kakobrekla: yeah, haven't gotten to it yet
18:27 kakobrekla no worries, just returning the complaint.
18:28 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7100 @ 0.00049046 = 3.4823 BTC [-] {2}
18:29 mircea_popescu hahahaha
18:32 pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362999 << it's for "people" who "love food"
18:32 assbot Logged on 08-01-2016 13:06:39; mircea_popescu: what the fuck is all that other shit and what's with the heartshape fixation ?
18:32 pete_dushenski ftr 'becel' is some kinda margarine for when there's no butter around
18:32 pete_dushenski also has 'heart logo'
18:32 mircea_popescu i thought they owned that "i can't believe it's not butter" thing.
18:32 davout kakobrekla: what are you? my wife?
18:32 mircea_popescu for which, incidentally, a great ad would be, woman takes it up the ass furiously
18:32 mircea_popescu and when she's done...
18:33 mircea_popescu "i can't believe it's not butter!"
18:33 pete_dushenski i can't believe i'm not butthurt ?
18:33 mircea_popescu davout how is the fanny ?
18:33 davout pretty exhausted by kid #2
18:33 mircea_popescu did she get a horse ?
18:34 davout hmm she's had a horse for a while now
18:34 mircea_popescu oh. i just remembered she was thinking of buying.
18:34 mircea_popescu cool.
18:34 davout maybe a second one
18:34 davout that would be the pony :D
18:34 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3682 @ 0.00049383 = 1.8183 BTC [+] {2}
18:34 mircea_popescu lol
18:35 pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1363063 << amazon pulls same junk with 'prime'. oh, it'll be there in '1-2 days' only to arrive 4 weeks later. /me has seen this with own eyes.
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18:35 assbot Logged on 08-01-2016 14:39:46; punkman: fucking UPS. pay for 1-2day shipping and get 6day shipping instead, even if the weather is fine and there's over 9000 planes flying towards my mailbox.
18:36 davout obviously #ba needs a sane delivery network
18:36 pete_dushenski god help venice if it needs to rebuild the roads of rome
18:37 mircea_popescu the pony express was kinda cool...
18:37 davout yeah well don't count on mine
18:37 pete_dushenski aha as seen with persians, khanate, usians
18:38 davout it's more like "fuck you, i'm fine eating this delicious grass right fucking here"
18:38 pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1363093 << as far as accountants go, i'd say so
18:38 assbot Logged on 08-01-2016 15:12:30; mircea_popescu: chinese the new jew huh
18:39 mircea_popescu pete_dushenski it's unfortunate as confucianism is easily the dumbest think ever shat forth by the mind of man.
18:39 pete_dushenski davout: that entitled huh
18:39 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: as long as they're using abacii and not fortune cookies to tabulate columns...
18:40 pete_dushenski "those are lottery numbers, not how much tax i owe !!"
18:40 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1363499 << l0l, and when i 'this is NOT everything!111' mircea_popescu answers 'mysticism!!11' - can't win.
18:40 assbot Logged on 08-01-2016 22:05:07; mircea_popescu: phf it's a funny outcrop of "this is everyting".
18:40 davout i have no idea what the english word for "cravacher" is but either way, that's what it needs
18:41 mircea_popescu asciilifeform life's hard but unfare!
18:41 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1363517 << what even is this
18:41 assbot Logged on 08-01-2016 22:53:25; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-01-2016#1360451 <--> http://dpaste.com/1M9K976.txt
18:41 mircea_popescu davout a man in the house ?
18:41 asciilifeform heathen linux crud
18:41 mircea_popescu asciilifeform it will please you to know that ibm laptop suspends to disk without issue with ubuntu 10.04
18:41 pete_dushenski lol. not mystical enough for you ?
18:41 davout mircea_popescu: has to be!
18:42 mircea_popescu close lid, come back later, lift lid, continue married with children from where it left off.
18:42 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: and external displays ?
18:42 mircea_popescu i've not tried, but i am willing to bet that it'll bne fine.
18:42 asciilifeform and yes if this was a thinkpad with actual ibm logo, this works
18:42 mircea_popescu it is yes.
18:42 asciilifeform but all it is good for is watching pr0n and 'lynx'
18:42 mircea_popescu i could crack your head open with it...
18:42 asciilifeform that also !
18:42 asciilifeform i got a bunch of these here
18:43 asciilifeform but none are good for mining u.
18:43 mircea_popescu thing's impressive in its solidity, i'[d guess 10 lbs
18:43 asciilifeform x40 ?
18:43 mircea_popescu hm ?
18:43 asciilifeform model
18:43 mircea_popescu im too lazy to go check
18:44 asciilifeform anyway these things rules
18:44 asciilifeform *ruled
18:44 asciilifeform but none will drive a reasonable number of pixels
18:44 pete_dushenski asciilifeform: anyways, you wanted the error logs (!), you got the error logs.
18:44 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: that one looks more like a 'i tried to install shitlinux and got bored' log
18:44 mircea_popescu 'Debian GNU/Linux 8.2.0 _Jessie_ - Official amd64 CD Binary-1 20150906-11:13'
18:44 mircea_popescu in the drive '/media/cdrom/' and press enter
18:44 mircea_popescu ahaha what the fuck!
18:44 pete_dushenski mno
18:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3071 @ 0.00049042 = 1.5061 BTC [-] {2}
18:45 pete_dushenski i have debian 7.3 installed, and several 'updates' don't wanna take because 'not latest verzionz'
18:45 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1363595 << last week or so especially egregious
18:45 assbot Logged on 08-01-2016 23:35:44; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1363063 << amazon pulls same junk with 'prime'. oh, it'll be there in '1-2 days' only to arrive 4 weeks later. /me has seen this with own eyes.
18:45 pete_dushenski as far as i can see
18:45 mircea_popescu asciilifeform girl says it actually compiled trb. SO THERE.
18:45 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: neato
18:46 asciilifeform but i can do that on a 486.
18:46 asciilifeform just takes a little while.
18:46 asciilifeform that's not the issue.
18:46 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: os ?
18:46 mircea_popescu ubuntu 10.04
18:46 mircea_popescu i think i said that b4
18:47 asciilifeform (the issue is 1) graphical www 2) driving the 2**10^7 pixels i need to sanely develop
18:47 asciilifeform )
18:47 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: could've been diff girl
18:47 pete_dushenski you have, like, multiple
18:47 mircea_popescu pete_dushenski before, like 20 lines up!
18:47 asciilifeform anyway 'compile trb' was never a mega-feat
18:47 asciilifeform go compile rotor.
18:48 asciilifeform from empty space.
18:48 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: lol. "it will please you to know that ibm laptop suspends to disk without issue with ubuntu 10.04" != "girl says it actually compiled trb. SO THERE."
18:48 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1363528 << there was precisely this dynamic re: jews in su
18:48 assbot Logged on 08-01-2016 22:57:09; BingoBoingo: "Of the latter, she describes a pattern in which faculty members effectively practice affirmative action for all applicants who are not from East Asia, effectively having one set of GRE standards for the students from China and elsewhere in East Asia and another, lower requirement for everyone else. "
18:48 pete_dushenski anyways.
18:49 asciilifeform any university that didn't have 'jew quota' would rapidly fill up
18:49 asciilifeform and then director would be asked 'why are you running a synagogue here'
18:50 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo hey btw, any coverage over the total deflation of the stock market ponzi ?
18:50 asciilifeform in unrelated nyooz, today's mega-lulzatr0n winner,
18:50 asciilifeform https://medium.com/@girlziplocked/paul-graham-is-asking-to-be-eaten-5acf72aa776f#.nf0nek4rc
18:50 assbot Paul Graham Is Asking to be Eaten — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1POs1nt )
18:50 mircea_popescu or not really worth it / nobody cares ?
18:52 asciilifeform http://paulgraham.com/ineq.html << the piece which provoked the earlier thing
18:52 assbot Economic Inequality ... ( http://bit.ly/1POs82q )
18:53 mircea_popescu wait, this sort of anti-national-socialist propaganda is allowed on medium ?
18:53 mircea_popescu i thought they only had good nazi chicks there or something.
18:53 asciilifeform complicated. pg tries to position himself as 'legit business'
18:53 asciilifeform and 'growing the pie' etc
18:53 asciilifeform rather than usg scion
18:54 mircea_popescu so did krupp.
18:54 trinque http://deedbot.org/trb-mk.tar.gz http://deedbot.org/trb-mk.tar.gz.asc << mod6, asciilifeform, ben_vulpes, et al., this thing has crapped a working trb enough times to get feedback. It's a set of makefiles for the former build script and rotor. There are interesting knobs in the various makefiles, including (I think) an easy way to put other builders alongside rotor (as asciilifeform mentioned). Lemme
18:54 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZgKAs8 )
18:54 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZgKC3w )
18:54 trinque know how it can be improved.
18:54 asciilifeform trinque: neato
18:54 asciilifeform trinque: post to ml plox
18:54 mircea_popescu cool beans.
18:54 mircea_popescu yeh what he said.
18:54 trinque k
18:54 asciilifeform i generally go to ml when i look for 'what happened in xxx month trb-wise'
19:02 shinohai ty trinque will test asap
19:02 asciilifeform 'Paul Graham is one of those plutocrats whose thirst to be recognized as a thoughtleader among his peers is obvious. For Paul Graham, Silicon Valley Ideology is the ideology America should run on, and ergo, being a puppet of Silicon Valley Ideology, Paul Graham thinks himself a political genius.'
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19:03 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18367 @ 0.00048828 = 8.9682 BTC [-] {2}
19:03 pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1363242 << had a very pleasant lunch with oleg back in the day. shame to see him waste his time so.
19:03 assbot Logged on 08-01-2016 17:09:56; linton_s_dawson: oleganza discusses a way to attack non-upgrading nodes: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3zu8bh/til_in_2016_you_cannot_prevent_soft_forks_in/cyqhbc8
19:04 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: lulzy, and predictable
19:05 asciilifeform 'What actually happens is wealthy people like Paul Graham fund startups because they think these things are valuable. Through venture funding, rich people legitimate startups. Thus, they confer value upon the startup. They then use their ridiculous money and connections to “advise” and “mentor” those they deemed worthy of capital so that they can use this capital to build a future people like Paul Graham expect to see.
19:05 asciilifeform ' << merit-washing
19:05 asciilifeform somebody's been reading the logz.
19:05 pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1363294 << next was foss ?
19:05 assbot Logged on 08-01-2016 17:20:18; mircea_popescu: they stole some foss and filed the serials off, butterfly labs style.
19:05 asciilifeform bsd was.
19:06 pete_dushenski ah that. yes.
19:06 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.00049434 = 4.5974 BTC [+]
19:06 shinohai https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3zu8bh/til_in_2016_you_cannot_prevent_soft_forks_in/cyqn13n <<< "I haven't yet heard one person against SegWit, no matter their stance on raising the block size cap." LOLOLOL
19:06 assbot nanoakron comments on TIL in 2016: You cannot prevent soft forks in Bitcoin! ... ( http://bit.ly/1POsWnO )
19:06 asciilifeform ( https://medium.com/@girlziplocked/paul-graham-is-still-asking-to-be-eaten-5f021c0c0650#.s0vnaxy5c << source of earlier l0ltr0n)
19:06 assbot Paul Graham is Still Asking to be Eaten — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1POsWUU )
19:07 pete_dushenski shinohai: "he's a pinball wizard!"
19:07 shinohai kek
19:09 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo hey btw, any coverage over the total deflation of the stock market ponzi ? << Coming soon
19:11 pete_dushenski http://finance.yahoo.com/news/steven-cohen-accepts-two-sec-192920744.html
19:11 assbot Billionaire Cohen settles with SEC, could soon manage outside money - Yahoo Finance ... ( http://bit.ly/1POtcDj )
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19:36 pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1363348 << /me appreciated the phree diaper money. (yes, /me thinks in such terms de temps en temps, for "grounding")
19:36 assbot Logged on 08-01-2016 17:41:08; mircea_popescu: adlai let me put it this way : s.nsa (which according to some doesn't even exist) just threw away ~5 btc over a delivery bet it didn't even HAVE to make. and i forgbot all about it until pete_d said something.
19:38 pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1363401 << titty milk is sweetest milk.
19:38 assbot Logged on 08-01-2016 19:18:49; mircea_popescu: phf or their gfs.
19:39 pete_dushenski at least on all-carb-diet
19:40 * pete_dushenski has to tip cap to fillie for dropping >10 lbs since heir's birth. dunno how the girl does it.
19:40 pete_dushenski i suspect black majic is at play
19:41 pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1363418 << 23-24 isn't so bad. hopeful, energetic, know who to come to for answers.
19:41 assbot Logged on 08-01-2016 19:26:56; thestringpuller: i won't hang out with people < 24 anymore
19:41 punkman kakobrekla: but goat needs lots of preparation to make it good, horse not so. << you need younger goats
19:45 asciilifeform pete_dushenski: did we ever do a human milk thread ?
19:45 asciilifeform !s milk market
19:45 assbot 2 results for 'milk market' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=milk+market
19:45 asciilifeform hm
19:45 pete_dushenski looks like not
19:45 pete_dushenski though chappelle's 'cambodian breast milks' is the definitive tract
19:45 pete_dushenski imo
19:45 asciilifeform http://www.newsweek.com/booming-market-breast-milk-335151
19:45 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1OFmYXs )
19:47 asciilifeform or http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/07/07/women-are-selling-their-breast-milk-for-incredible-sums-of-money
19:47 assbot Women Are Selling Their Breast Milk for Incredible Sums of Money | Video | TheBlaze.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1OFn8hA )
19:47 asciilifeform etc
19:47 mircea_popescu <asciilifeform> somebody's been reading the logz. <<< yeah, someone who hasn't been reading enough grammar to know the difference between legitimate the noun and legitimize the verb.
19:47 pete_dushenski asciilifeform: i recall a local woman selling her milk to "body builders" and the lik
19:47 pete_dushenski like
19:48 mircea_popescu anyway. the foremost point of capital is to enact a softer training harness for kids than simple beatings.
19:48 pete_dushenski maybe BingoBoingo can comment on how widespread this phenomenon is ?
19:48 mircea_popescu so of fucking course any working capitalist would produce more people like he wants to see. that's what i fucking do, too.
19:48 BingoBoingo <pete_dushenski> maybe BingoBoingo can comment on how widespread this phenomenon is ? << Never heard of it
19:49 asciilifeform and old scumbag pg also, but he wants to produce a... different kind of people.
19:49 asciilifeform BingoBoingo, pete_dushenski : www.menshealth.com/fitness/human-breast-milk-and-bodybuilding ?
19:49 mircea_popescu <pete_dushenski> i suspect black majic is at play << that or working out.
19:49 pete_dushenski http://www.menshealth.com/fitness/human-breast-milk-and-bodybuilding http://www.theprovince.com/Young+mothers+make+money+selling+their+breast+milk+bodybuilders+Craigslist/10834072/story.html
19:49 assbot Does Human Breast Milk Help Build Muscle? ... ( http://bit.ly/1K3Q0up )
19:49 assbot Young mothers make money by selling their breast milk to bodybuilders on Craigslist ... ( http://bit.ly/1K3Q0KP )
19:50 pete_dushenski asciilifeform: wins
19:50 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: mostly walking with 9kg weight vest, yea
19:50 mircea_popescu this entire "breastmilk" thing strikes me as a whole lot of "teenaged cunts make money by selling their panties".
19:50 phf damn, i've been approaching this whole gains business wrong
19:50 mircea_popescu yeah. right.
19:51 pete_dushenski isn't it $50 for a pair of vacuum-sealed panties these days ? (to prison inmates)
19:51 deedbot- [Qntra] US Stocks End Record Losing Week - http://qntra.net/2016/01/us-stocks-end-record-losing-week/
19:51 pete_dushenski worn for a day, that is
19:53 punkman "Medolac, based in Oregon and started in 2009, sells 4-ounce pouches of sterilized donor milk to hospitals for up to $5.90 an ounce. Theirs is the only “room temperature” product currently on the market, meaning it does not need to be thawed out." << I haz business idea!!11
19:53 punkman powdered breast milk.
19:53 BingoBoingo ;;later tell whaack win http://qntra.net/2016/01/deputy-arrested-for-dropbox-child-porn/#comment-37570
19:53 assbot Deputy Arrested For Dropbox Child Porn | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1OFnzIE )
19:53 gribble The operation succeeded.
19:54 pete_dushenski http://qntra.net/2016/01/us-stocks-end-record-losing-week/#comment-37610
19:54 assbot US Stocks End Record Losing Week | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1OFnF35 )
19:55 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6426 @ 0.00049434 = 3.1766 BTC [+]
19:55 phf <pete_dushenski> isn't it $50 for a pair of vacuum-sealed panties these days ? << https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZY0omvbDEY4
19:55 assbot smells like japanese panties ;) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1OFnGnr )
19:56 pete_dushenski phf: bahaha
19:57 pete_dushenski well gang, ima retire for the eve. a la prochaine
19:57 phf judging by commodore pet at 2:00 in the background, must be #b-a-jp
20:08 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28350 @ 0.00049434 = 14.0145 BTC [+] {2}
20:11 mircea_popescu honestly if we were to do the same math for woman's milk that we do for cow's milk, an ounce at 6 bucks is a steal.
20:13 mircea_popescu even the best selected wocows give at the very most a liter and change, not the two buckets a day cow sprouts forth. and considering feed and shelter costs what, 10k a year or thereabouts ? you're looking at a good 30-40 bucks a liter fixed production costs. not counting the ipad you'll prolly need, and presuming you can get your milkho impregnated for free each year, somehow.
20:14 mircea_popescu and in related news, http://49.media.tumblr.com/f1bd3771463e19e582e5432ab78a9b21/tumblr_nql78bxrIc1tezjkso1_500.gif
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20:14 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1OFp5KM )
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20:37 shinohai ^ a kitty titty massage :D
20:37 mircea_popescu i think it knows!
20:38 mircea_popescu https://mikandi.com/blog/news/mikandi-news/fetlife-meatlist/ check it out, by now i could spend ~the entire day reading about myself.
20:38 assbot The FetLife Meatlist: How A Social Network Failed Its Users ... ( http://bit.ly/1VRM8DF )
20:38 mircea_popescu but be that as it may : the late bitbet payments should be all sent, so there is that.
20:39 mod6 nice
20:39 shinohai My BTC Phoundation troll of the day: https://twitter.com/SatoshiShinohai/status/685628331446956032
20:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.00049434 = 4.1525 BTC [+]
20:55 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-01-2016#1363776 << mega-felid
20:55 assbot Logged on 09-01-2016 01:14:09; mircea_popescu: and in related news, http://49.media.tumblr.com/f1bd3771463e19e582e5432ab78a9b21/tumblr_nql78bxrIc1tezjkso1_500.gif
20:59 mircea_popescu here's a dulap for asciilifeform too : http://45.media.tumblr.com/c52368caad131df408f02dd051955a7a/tumblr_nwkayuimwU1uqlzh6o1_1280.gif
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20:59 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1JA9ewL )
21:00 asciilifeform l0l!!
21:00 asciilifeform where's this from
21:00 mircea_popescu the internets!
21:05 mod6 trinque: I pulled, verified and tested 'trb-mk.tar.gz' on my gentoo x86-64 machine. It built a static bitcoind for me! I fired it up, connects, pulls blocks. =]
21:08 asciilifeform mod6, trinque: mighty spiffy
21:08 mod6 trinque - quite nice, Sir.
21:11 mircea_popescu hmmm this is suspicious
21:11 mircea_popescu hey asciilifeform are the trb nodes isolated atm ?!
21:11 asciilifeform isolated??
21:11 mircea_popescu from this side it seems like i broadcast to them fine but i don't see the txn on the wider network mempool ?
21:11 asciilifeform i got a pile of connections on each
21:11 asciilifeform chugging mightily
21:12 mircea_popescu take for instance e6b8aa9dedef74a7e8961e0d997aebc35aae3c8e762a715336d84b39507c9773
21:12 mircea_popescu you gettx'd it multiple times, and it was sent, but ?
21:13 asciilifeform try now
21:13 * asciilifeform tail -f ~bitcoin/.bitcoin/debug.log | grep e6b8aa9dedef74a7e8961e0d997aebc35aae3c8e762a715336d84b39507c9773
21:13 mircea_popescu will retry presently.
21:14 mircea_popescu mmm irc stock debug.log only lists a few bytes off the beginning
21:14 * asciilifeform watches the displays
21:14 mircea_popescu not the whole sha
21:14 asciilifeform hm
21:14 mircea_popescu try cat ~bitcoin/.bitcoin/debug.log | grep e6b8aa9de
21:14 asciilifeform done
21:15 mircea_popescu and it's empty ?
21:15 asciilifeform still pumping
21:15 mircea_popescu a ok
21:15 asciilifeform askfor tx e6b8aa9dedef74a7e896 0
21:15 asciilifeform sending getdata: tx e6b8aa9dedef74a7e896
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21:15 asciilifeform ^ dulap
21:15 mircea_popescu sooooo
21:16 mircea_popescu why the fuck don't i see it networkwide
21:16 asciilifeform aaaaaaaaaaaand
21:16 asciilifeform ERROR: ConnectInputs() : 20421a3f19 mapTransactions prev not found e6b8aa9ded
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21:16 mircea_popescu well yes...
21:16 asciilifeform is this the 'low-S' crapolade, still ?!
21:16 mircea_popescu there's a chain of them, you'd not see the bottom if you don't see the top.
21:17 mircea_popescu it shouldn't be.
21:17 asciilifeform turned up same 3 lines on bucephalus
21:17 asciilifeform nothing on zoolag.
21:17 * asciilifeform leaves the 'tails' going
21:17 mircea_popescu e6b8aa9dedef74a7e8961e0d997aebc35aae3c8e762a715336d84b39507c9773 is chained off 83e2b80e96919cb0b0186ff8ba7225d25535ad722ec5e2343a3a5927ef85d735 and you do see that.
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21:17 asciilifeform aha
21:19 mircea_popescu this is making just about 0 sense.
21:22 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00049133 = 2.4567 BTC [-]
21:28 mircea_popescu asciilifeform but can you confirm whether e6b8aa9dedef74a7e8961e0d997aebc35aae3c8e762a715336d84b39507c9773 IS in your memory pool and for some reason dulap/etc are not transmitting it, or whether it's not in the mempool at all ?
21:28 mircea_popescu does the log show any "received getdata" for it ?
21:28 * mircea_popescu doesn't know what to think atm, maybe it's some weirdo bug in the trb ? maybe what the shit.
21:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11400 @ 0.00049169 = 5.6053 BTC [+] {2}
21:36 kakobrekla bb payouts?
21:36 mircea_popescu obviously ;/
21:47 kakobrekla same thing happened as before?
21:53 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4960 @ 0.0004913 = 2.4368 BTC [-] {2}
21:55 trinque mod6: asciilifeform: glad it worked
21:56 asciilifeform askfor tx e6b8aa9dedef74a7e896 1452300229000000
21:56 asciilifeform sending getdata: tx e6b8aa9dedef74a7e896
21:56 asciilifeform ERROR: ConnectInputs() : 20421a3f19 mapTransactions prev not found e6b8aa9ded
21:56 asciilifeform ^ just now
21:56 asciilifeform (or rather, some time between when i got up to eat and now)
21:57 asciilifeform i suspect that kakobrekla is right
21:57 asciilifeform and that it is the low-S fucktardation
22:00 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51600 @ 0.00049334 = 25.4563 BTC [+] {3}
22:01 mircea_popescu kakobrekla no.
22:01 mircea_popescu this time, the antecedent transaction is clearly in the chain
22:02 mircea_popescu asciilifeform never you mind the complaint of 20421a3f19. the point is, e6b8aa9ded itself.
22:02 mod6 was 83e2b80e96919cb0b0186ff8ba7225d25535ad722ec5e2343a3a5927ef85d735 sent by trb?
22:02 mircea_popescu yes.
22:08 mircea_popescu so basically, my node sent to trb nodes, trb nodes have it in memory but it's not being broadcast past them.
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22:08 mircea_popescu i would say this is proof positive that they are in fact isolated on the network, somehow.
22:09 mircea_popescu ima keep the present situation up, where they have monopoly on a juicy tx for a little longer in case anyone wants to trace the network/debug/whatever. but i can't keep it forever like this.
22:14 asciilifeform something is ~very~ wrong re: freenode
22:15 asciilifeform it would seem that most of the relays are dead (or Great Firewalled off between where i stand and there)
22:15 kakobrekla something is wrong with everything.
22:15 asciilifeform and before this, i threw possibly a dozen lines in
22:15 asciilifeform and they went nowhere
22:15 asciilifeform with no server spew
22:15 asciilifeform silent netsplit
22:16 kakobrekla rethrow them.
22:16 asciilifeform <asciilifeform> incidentally, it is quite likely, even for all 3 of my boxes, that mircea_popescu's node was able to connect to ask for the tx but not to send it.
22:16 asciilifeform <asciilifeform> because there are dozens of leechers on each box, and the pile of shit has no notion of prioritization
22:16 asciilifeform <asciilifeform> askfor tx e6b8aa9dedef74a7e896 1452300218000000
22:16 asciilifeform <asciilifeform> sending getdata: tx e6b8aa9dedef74a7e896
22:16 asciilifeform <asciilifeform> ERROR: ConnectInputs() : 20421a3f19 mapTransactions prev not found e6b8aa9ded
22:16 asciilifeform <asciilifeform> ^ bucephalus
22:16 asciilifeform <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: do you know for a fact (e.g., wireshark) that you are transmitting the tx ?
22:16 asciilifeform <asciilifeform> and likewise, that it does not rely on a preceding tx that is not in a block ?
22:16 asciilifeform <asciilifeform> because - remember! - if it relies on a tx that is NOT IN A BLOCK, that tx MUST be in my mempool
22:16 asciilifeform <asciilifeform> or your tx gets thrown on the floor.
22:16 asciilifeform <asciilifeform> then again, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-01-2016#1363830 , hm
22:16 assbot Logged on 09-01-2016 02:17:52; mircea_popescu: e6b8aa9dedef74a7e8961e0d997aebc35aae3c8e762a715336d84b39507c9773 is chained off 83e2b80e96919cb0b0186ff8ba7225d25535ad722ec5e2343a3a5927ef85d735 and you do see that.
22:16 asciilifeform <asciilifeform> holy fuck, i'm netsplit silently ????
22:16 asciilifeform <asciilifeform> seeing mircea_popescu's replies in the logz, but NOTHING here
22:18 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-01-2016#1363856 << just mine? or others also
22:18 assbot Logged on 09-01-2016 03:08:08; mircea_popescu: so basically, my node sent to trb nodes, trb nodes have it in memory but it's not being broadcast past them.
22:24 asciilifeform ;;later tell mircea_popescu understand that, for while there are only a few trb nodes, and everyone knows where they are, it is entirely conceivable for traffic to be diddled in arbitrary ways in real time
22:24 gribble The operation succeeded.
22:25 asciilifeform this could even mean that they would remain 'on the network' (pulling blocks on time, which all 3 presently are) but lose whatever mempool gibblets.
22:27 * asciilifeform bbl
22:34 mircea_popescu tis weird tho.
22:35 mircea_popescu <kakobrekla> something is wrong with everything. <<
22:36 mircea_popescu asciilifeform yes, i know i'm transmitting.
22:36 mircea_popescu and yes likewise, i gave the specifics above.
~ 45 minutes ~
23:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7978 @ 0.00049042 = 3.9126 BTC [-] {2}
~ 21 minutes ~
23:42 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31800 @ 0.00049436 = 15.7206 BTC [+] {4}
23:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4950 @ 0.00049486 = 2.4496 BTC [+]
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