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00:00 wilbns BingoBoingo, yes, noticed that too - until someone from another religion flies a plane into a building.
00:00 wilbns mircea_popescu: ok
00:02 BingoBoingo wilbns: Like Joe Stack?
00:02 BingoBoingo Joe Stack seems under appreciated in Dex-Kensaw
00:03 BingoBoingo Given local political rhetoric
00:04 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18660 @ 0.00072755 = 13.5761 BTC [+]
00:06 BingoBoingo bried survey of dex-kensaw also suggests many local with farms due to the substantial median size of holding possess "air tractor" which could be loaded with kerosene instead of monsanto for Joe Stack++
00:06 BingoBoingo *brief
00:07 BingoBoingo But perhaps General Quantrill should have burned Little Rock as he did Lawrence Levo-Kensaw
00:08 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4440 @ 0.00072755 = 3.2303 BTC [+]
00:09 BingoBoingo Bread Tripe!
00:15 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8500 @ 0.00074027 = 6.2923 BTC [+] {2}
00:28 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19265 @ 0.00072892 = 14.0426 BTC [-] {3}
00:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27385 @ 0.00071888 = 19.6865 BTC [-]
00:37 mircea_popescu hey, which anglo nut made a 50 copy edition of his crappy poetry and jacked off on the lot ? was it burroughs ?
00:41 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27800 @ 0.00074111 = 20.6029 BTC [+] {3}
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01:07 scoopbot_revived Fierro, or - Argentina, that very comic country. http://trilema.com/2015/fierro-or-argentina-that-very-comic-country/
01:13 ag3nt_zer0 nothing quite like curling up with a nice bowl of fresh buttery popcorn, a blankey, and I Am Cait Ep. 3... should be a community event though, like a trip to the traveling wagon freak show - alas, my fellow americans seemed to have lost their ability to be astonished along with their sense of humor... I happily gaze at the four horsethingys (or is it taped?) baphomet myself...
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01:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3620 @ 0.00073753 = 2.6699 BTC [-]
01:41 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20875 @ 0.00073744 = 15.3941 BTC [-]
01:51 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1241811 << somethinglikethat
01:51 assbot Logged on 18-08-2015 03:10:43; BingoBoingo: Given 2015 so far Hearnia must have planned to actually release XTCoin the first weekend of September. He ended up jumping the gun because USG pinoy spamzors. We won.
01:51 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1241810 << in the sense you're originally from ru, i gather.
01:51 assbot Logged on 18-08-2015 03:10:37; asciilifeform: mats is originally from cn ?
01:52 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1241816 << vice-versa, actually. the online fiat is dead, but its value as irl tokens remains. dollars are useful exactly like monopoly money and casino chips are useful,
01:52 assbot Logged on 18-08-2015 03:11:33; wilbns: it seems fiat currencies will continue to exist for many generations to come, perhaps actual paper form will deminish, but an electronic register or display of some number of dollars for whoever the viewer is, will carry with it some semblance of wealth
01:52 mircea_popescu and it's how they'll remain in use.
01:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3604 @ 0.00073753 = 2.6581 BTC [+]
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02:16 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23550 @ 0.00073044 = 17.2019 BTC [-] {3}
02:29 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18450 @ 0.00072295 = 13.3384 BTC [-] {3}
02:43 mircea_popescu speaking of btc bidniss, http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_xhCRGRaPpVY/S7YyJDsOdhI/AAAAAAAABkE/f49XNMLuUno/s1600/milporongas+1+en+b.jpg
02:43 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1PwNjW1 )
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03:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23433 @ 0.00071954 = 16.861 BTC [-]
03:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18500 @ 0.00071569 = 13.2403 BTC [-] {2}
03:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6268 @ 0.00070343 = 4.4091 BTC [-] {4}
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03:29 cazalla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-08-2015#1241089 good luck
03:29 assbot Logged on 17-08-2015 20:50:22; BingoBoingo: In other news one interview for one job today seemed to go meh, the other job's interview seemed to go well. Hoping I can get that regular fiat income to start standing up srs noedz
03:30 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14750 @ 0.00069854 = 10.3035 BTC [-]
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03:51 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3950 @ 0.00072009 = 2.8444 BTC [+] {2}
04:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15709 @ 0.00071166 = 11.1795 BTC [-]
04:15 punkman http://www.complex.com/pop-culture/2015/08/watch-colorblind-man-see-color-for-the-first-time-with-enchroma-glasses
04:15 assbot Watch: Colorblind Man Sees Colors of a Sunset for the First Time | Complex UK ... ( http://bit.ly/1E2ByVM )
04:19 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22700 @ 0.0007278 = 16.5211 BTC [+] {2}
04:22 punkman http://www.mercurynews.com/california/ci_28654978/california-plans-taking-farms-massive-water-tunnels
04:22 assbot Records: California plans taking land for huge water tunnels - San Jose Mercury News ... ( http://bit.ly/1E2CbyK )
04:24 punkman "Under the plan, landowners would have 30 days to consider and negotiate a one-time state offer, while officials simultaneously prepare to take the land by forced sale if owners declined to sell. "Negotiations to continue in parallel with eminent domain proceedings," the plan notes."
04:26 mircea_popescu no really alternative to that.
04:26 mircea_popescu "you can either sell it at prevailing market values, or we'll take it at prevailing market values".
04:27 punkman and nobody will use all those spiffy guns they like to polish and fondle
04:27 mircea_popescu you know, opposing eminent domain for stuff like this is a little nutty.
04:28 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44100 @ 0.00073619 = 32.466 BTC [+] {4}
04:28 mircea_popescu what, train's gonna go around old man joe's property forever more because 180 years ago there lived a curmudgeon ?
04:29 mircea_popescu i mean, it's one thing when they were simply stealing property to give to others who they figured "would pay more tax". that's fungible. but this isn't - train gotta go straight.
04:29 cazalla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-08-2015#1241289 <<< numbers going up doesn't mean too much, it's like kids who run away from home in the afternoon but are back by dinner time
04:29 assbot Logged on 17-08-2015 21:59:27; wyrdmantis: http://xtnodes.com/ <--- a fucking war starting over?
04:29 punkman this is not a train though
04:30 chetty well knowing cali they are probably picking routes thru the best crop land, and offering a penny an acre
04:31 punkman "Say what you will about the internet in 2015 but at least it helped everyone realize that everything we think and feel is wrong and dumb" https://twitter.com/paleofuture/status/633500936208449536
04:31 chetty or, haha, the routes go thru the 'red' areas on the map
04:31 mircea_popescu punkman water pipe ? how not ?
04:33 mircea_popescu "everyone" is never realising that.
04:34 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20726 @ 0.00073753 = 15.286 BTC [+]
04:34 punkman so just let them destroy productive farms and dry out the delta, so they can water some piece of desert down south?
04:35 mircea_popescu chetty actually there have been "unjust enrichment" suits against states/townships on stuff like that.
04:37 mircea_popescu punkman that's an entirely different argument tho. i have nfi what they're doing / dun care so much, but anyway. the fiat consensus is and has been, for the past ~800 years, that you can't oppose land ownership to road development.
04:41 cazalla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-08-2015#1241426 <<< maybe this is discussed later on in the logs, but i read this on cointelegraph, not virtual mining news - http://cointelegraph.com/news/115136/nick-szabo-block-size-increase-a-huge-security-risk
04:41 assbot Logged on 17-08-2015 23:41:30; pete_dushenski: 'virtual mining' blog. same kids who pitted me against roger ver a week or two back.
04:41 assbot Nick Szabo: Block Size Increase a ‘Huge Security Risk’ ... ( http://bit.ly/1IZi43v )
04:47 punkman mircea_popescu: around here they can and do oppose, but everything is lilliputian-scale compared to California
04:50 punkman http://www.china.org.cn/business/2015-08/18/content_36336463.htm
04:50 assbot Mystery surrounds Tianjin blasts warehouse - China.org.cn ... ( http://bit.ly/1IZj6MJ )
04:50 punkman "According to business registration information, Ruihai's two largest shareholders are Li Liang and Shu Zheng, who hold 55 percent and 45 percent of the company's shares respectively. But as of Sunday, Li remained missing, while Shu told the media that he was only a grassroots public servant, and he lent his identity card to a friend when Ruihai was registered."
04:51 punkman identity loan - my sides
04:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19500 @ 0.00073262 = 14.2861 BTC [-]
04:58 shinohai hanbot: liked the build notes writeup. Almost made me want to install it on Ubuntu.
04:58 shinohai almost.
05:00 mircea_popescu lol shu got scammed.
05:00 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36786 @ 0.00073755 = 27.1315 BTC [+] {3}
05:01 mircea_popescu ahaha that pete pic!
05:06 punkman https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CMd32H5UwAA2eQK.jpg
05:06 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1IZkOOa )
05:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31200 @ 0.00072871 = 22.7358 BTC [-] {4}
05:13 shinohai Respite from my fear of dying?
05:14 shinohai Wow.
05:14 shinohai *terror of dying
05:14 punkman you'll get invited to the best parties!
05:14 shinohai Pffft ... #bitcoin-assets *is* the best party
05:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29203 @ 0.00073862 = 21.5699 BTC [+] {6}
05:28 cazalla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1241741 <<< fuck i hate that guy, has no shame at all
05:28 assbot Logged on 18-08-2015 02:56:26; BingoBoingo: https://slimgur.com/images/2015/08/17/5bb6d7f9bba424cc18b5a09006bd0367.png
05:29 shinohai #worldelephantday
05:31 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00072302 = 3.3259 BTC [-]
05:32 mircea_popescu andy w lol
05:38 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7650 @ 0.00074045 = 5.6644 BTC [+]
05:48 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16120 @ 0.00071743 = 11.565 BTC [-] {3}
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06:08 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22100 @ 0.00073274 = 16.1936 BTC [+]
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06:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00070722 = 9.5475 BTC [-] {3}
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06:55 shinohai http://thenextweb.com/opinion/2015/08/17/one-brave-woman-so-many-cowardly-racists/
06:55 assbot Meet the woman taking on Reddit's racists ... ( http://bit.ly/1E2NSFJ )
06:56 shinohai ^ next she should go take on 4chan racists
06:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11250 @ 0.00069854 = 7.8586 BTC [-]
07:07 jurov and then on #b-a chauvinists :DDDD
07:19 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14900 @ 0.00069766 = 10.3951 BTC [-] {3}
07:22 mircea_popescu "because it sounds like something he might have said."
07:22 mircea_popescu no, it doesn't. it sounds about as much like voltaire as any other bit of usian drivel.
07:24 mircea_popescu maybe they should petition voltaire's sponsors too. until he becomes the "hip", "cool" figure they want him to be or something.
07:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28250 @ 0.00069598 = 19.6614 BTC [-] {4}
07:26 mircea_popescu da fuck is wrong with these schmucks, anyway. "herpitty-derp, i wish to push a widely unpopular, nutty agenda. obviously the best way to do this is to ask people interested in selling more to side with me. because logically if those racist white supremacists actually boycott walmart until it puts the lot of us in a concentration camp, walmart totally won't. because hurr."
07:26 punkman "if the spend amount has a lot of trailing zeros, eg, 2.34000000 BTC, then have change outputs that also have the same amount of trailing zeros. Otherwise, it's obvious which one is the spend." << anyone can explain this?
07:26 mircea_popescu yeah. "don't spend integer btc"
07:27 mircea_popescu (which is why shithead services like coinbase don't even implement the whole 8 digits. their 2010ish understanding of "de-anonymization technicues."
07:28 jurov punkman where is that from? some idiotic service that reinvented numbers processing again?
07:28 punkman jurov, https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/6569
07:28 assbot Improve change amount privacy · Issue #6569 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1HTEajS )
07:29 jurov oh i think i get it
07:29 punkman isn't it all in integer satoshis?
07:29 punkman I dun get it
07:30 mircea_popescu dude. if you have a 8.5465466 input and you spend 2.34 out of it, your outputs will look like 2.34000000 anbd 6.116574567
07:30 mircea_popescu making itobvious which is the change.
07:30 jurov if you send payment rounded to N places, the change should be also rounded to N places (and rest to fees, presumably)
07:30 mircea_popescu ^
07:35 punkman https://i.imgur.com/7YyVT7J.jpg
07:35 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1HTECPb )
07:36 kakobrekla eh
07:36 punkman http://chrisbalay.com/Jokes/graphics/orabanms.gif
07:36 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1HTEK13 )
07:36 kakobrekla its not like you cant split that full int further down yourself.
07:36 * kakobrekla presumes people here do their own ass wiping
07:37 punkman nope
07:38 kakobrekla hammer is retarded only if you hit yourself on the head. must use nails.
07:38 punkman hammer can't be retarded
07:39 punkman there is this of course http://blog.codinghorror.com/content/images/uploads/2012/06/6a0120a85dcdae970b017742d249d5970d-800wi.jpg
07:39 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1HTF0x7 )
07:40 kakobrekla there you go
07:40 punkman ;;later tell BingoBoingo https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/46/73/fd/4673fdf9d7821422efbec22771a25c68.jpg
07:40 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1HTFaVe )
07:40 gribble The operation succeeded.
07:41 kakobrekla anyway, a tool can be retarded, its the very definition of it ; "you are a such a tool". see?
07:43 chetty isn't a tool something that is used? So its the user that would be retarded, no?
07:44 jurov i think it was meant that way, "someone is using you".. which is something else than "you're retard"
07:44 jurov but hey this is internet, we need no fkn nuances :)
07:45 kakobrekla chetty no matter WHO uses windows ...
07:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16204 @ 0.00069383 = 11.2428 BTC [-]
07:46 jurov you know it's not true
07:46 kakobrekla hm?
07:47 jurov many ppl using windows are not retards, just completely unaware there's a better way to use a computer
07:47 kakobrekla not at all what im saying but anyway
07:47 kakobrekla if ascii logs on to win machine, win machine still sucks!
07:47 jurov and what were you saying?
07:47 kakobrekla that.
07:49 chetty haha, I suppose there are tools with no redeeming value
07:53 shinohai https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2015/08/18/8chan-back-after-google-banned-entire-domain-for-child-abuse-imagery/
07:53 assbot 8chan back after Google ban of domain for child abuse imagery | Naked Security ... ( http://bit.ly/1HTG6sE )
08:02 funkenstein_ fight the symptoms, not the disease
08:03 funkenstein_ a lot of old cars overheat, they should make a law against temperature sensors which display in the dashboard
08:12 funkenstein_ kill the messenger. new technology, same broken psychology
08:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43400 @ 0.00071463 = 31.0149 BTC [+] {3}
08:16 funkenstein_ "As -The Virginian- established the cowboy in our literary culture, so did Hernandez' -Martin Fierro- become the archetype of the gaucho, the independent man of the pampas.
08:16 funkenstein_ Fiercely individual, distrustful of the corruption of the cities and the law, following his own code of honor, he is in the great tradition of the romantic figure"
08:17 funkenstein_ Time to finally crack this thing open :)
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08:53 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39800 @ 0.00073639 = 29.3083 BTC [+] {3}
09:01 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44050 @ 0.00074025 = 32.608 BTC [+] {4}
09:15 shinohai http://redd.it/3hde8z
09:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29800 @ 0.00071912 = 21.4298 BTC [-]
09:24 punkman shinohai: lol'd at the televangelists asking for donations to buy a jet
09:26 shinohai xD
09:27 punkman or that guy saying donate $1000 and god will wipe out your credit card debt
09:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12900 @ 0.00074045 = 9.5518 BTC [+]
09:32 shinohai This drama: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3201418/Jilted-woman-gets-revenge-cheating-boyfriend-setting-crotch-fire-s-sleeping.html
09:32 assbot Jilted woman gets revenge on cheating boyfriend by setting his crotch on fire | Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1hKrFC8 )
09:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11301 @ 0.00071855 = 8.1203 BTC [-] {3}
09:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18900 @ 0.00071502 = 13.5139 BTC [-]
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10:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26950 @ 0.00073296 = 19.7533 BTC [+]
10:16 BingoBoingo https://www.nsa.gov/ia/programs/suiteb_cryptography/index.shtml
10:16 assbot NSA Suite B Cryptography - NSA/CSS ... ( http://bit.ly/1DW1D90 )
10:19 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: to the logz! >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-08-2015#1239085
10:19 assbot Logged on 15-08-2015 21:29:04; shinohai: https://www.nsa.gov/ia/programs/suiteb_cryptography/index.shtml
10:20 BingoBoingo Ah, apologies
10:20 shinohai >.>
10:21 shinohai BingoBoingo: are those bsd instructions of yours still valid ?
10:21 BingoBoingo which ones
10:22 BingoBoingo They aren't complete, because I accidentalied a lot of it
10:22 asciilifeform https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3hfwa3/how_to_send_email_as_satoshivistomailcom << lulzy
10:22 assbot How to send email as satoshi@vistomail.com : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1LiObPh )
10:22 asciilifeform (spoiler: doesn't work)
10:22 asciilifeform http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/coinwallet-plans-bitcoin-dust-attack-september-create-30-day-transaction-backlog-1515981 << also lulzy
10:22 assbot CoinWallet says Bitcoin stress test in September will create 30-day backlog ... ( http://bit.ly/1LiOfhZ )
10:25 asciilifeform '"We feel that our tests might prove to be the catalyst that propels the core devs and miners to implement the required hard fork that is desperately needed," Coinwallet told BitBeat.'
10:27 punkman "The previous CoinWallet test only achieved about 15% of its output because its servers crashed."
10:28 punkman https://coinwallet.co/en/currencies
10:28 assbot Coinwallet.co - Supported Currencies & Fees ... ( http://bit.ly/1LhtS1G )
10:29 punkman they take 0.5% fee per tx, lel
10:30 funkenstein_ So if I hit you, and you don't fall down, that means you aren't very tough.
10:31 asciilifeform nah but you 'get points for trying' if you break your fists. somehow. in the bizarre usg twerp view of the world.
10:31 funkenstein_ lol
10:31 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5450 @ 0.00073296 = 3.9946 BTC [+]
10:37 BingoBoingo peer dump http://dpaste.com/1JDV6EF.txt
10:37 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lhvith )
10:38 BingoBoingo Not connected to a single XT node at the moment
10:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9550 @ 0.00073615 = 7.0302 BTC [+] {2}
10:43 BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/2015/08/no-xtcoin-support-committed-to-the-blockchain-yet/#comment-42937
10:43 assbot No XTCoin Support Committed to the Blockchain Yet | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1LiR5n1 )
10:50 Naphex https://getaddr.bitnodes.io/nodes/?q=Amazon.com,%20Inc.
10:50 assbot Network Snapshot - Bitnodes ... ( http://bit.ly/1LhwQmU )
10:50 Naphex BingoBoingo: amazon seems to be supporting it hard lol
10:50 BingoBoingo Naphex: You know the pseudonode thing runs well in an AWS micro
10:52 Naphex BingoBoingo: hehe as if it isn't obvious enough ~240 nodes same time deployment since 17 aug
10:53 BingoBoingo Of course
10:53 Naphex 400ms latency
10:54 Naphex what a joke
10:54 BingoBoingo Serioulsy I can't even
10:56 BingoBoingo Might as well start running pseudo nodes over a Nigerian satellite connection
10:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 166821 @ 0.00069397 = 115.7688 BTC [-] {7}
11:09 Naphex well i guess it's time to ip block all XT nodes
11:09 Naphex take that hearn, ha! ;]
11:09 BingoBoingo Or the ones on the AWS ip space
11:10 Naphex BingoBoingo: that's pretty much all of them https://getaddr.bitnodes.io/nodes/?q=70010
11:11 assbot Network Snapshot - Bitnodes ... ( http://bit.ly/1LiUSkp )
11:11 BingoBoingo Seems rather simple then
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11:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5153 @ 0.00071577 = 3.6884 BTC [+]
11:35 pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1241990 << twas not discussed because i at least was not aware of this.
11:35 assbot Logged on 18-08-2015 08:41:32; cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-08-2015#1241426 <<< maybe this is discussed later on in the logs, but i read this on cointelegraph, not virtual mining news - http://cointelegraph.com/news/115136/nick-szabo-block-size-increase-a-huge-security-risk
11:35 pete_dushenski 'virtual mining news' doesn't look like anything other than a scam, and it turns out it is !
11:35 pete_dushenski well then, tip o' the cap to joseph young, the real author
11:38 pete_dushenski though why the piece of shit cointelegraph wordpress implementation never sent me a pingback, while 'virtual mining' did, is another story
11:38 pete_dushenski yet also the reason for the confusion.
11:38 pete_dushenski oh internet, will i ever understand you ?
11:38 pete_dushenski speaking of which...
11:38 pete_dushenski http://www.contravex.com/2015/08/18/asking-your-friend-to-bang-your-prospective-wife-and-other-silly-ideas/
11:38 assbot Asking your friend to bang your prospective wife, and other silly ideas. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1EAh2GW )
11:39 pete_dushenski ;;later tell williamdunne ^ this was posted last night, and scoopbot_revived didn't see it.
11:39 gribble The operation succeeded.
11:41 pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1242003 << someone was quick on their feet. i had this up as a header for maaaybe a few days. really more like a day or two.
11:41 assbot Logged on 18-08-2015 09:01:50; mircea_popescu: ahaha that pete pic!
11:42 pete_dushenski cazalla: but good work on finding that original article !
11:42 pete_dushenski now i know where the banana troll is from.
11:42 pete_dushenski http://www.contravex.com/2014/10/07/how-a-bigger-blockchain-is-less-secure-and-why-block-size-aint-gonna-increase-any-time-soon/#comment-26731 << said banana
11:42 assbot How A Bigger Blockchain Is Less Secure And Why Block Size Ain’t Gonna Increase Any Time Soon | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1EAhvc8 )
11:42 danielpbarron http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1241734 << yeah, employed by people like me to do various tasks in the world of Eulora, because that's what has a future; not "social media"
11:42 assbot Logged on 18-08-2015 02:55:17; wilbns: mats: people will be employed to execute roles in cyberspace. telecommuting and working from home is the first step.
11:43 pete_dushenski lol i kinda like imagining danielpbarron with an army of click slaves.
11:43 pete_dushenski *mush heathens MUSH*
11:44 thestringpuller danielpbarron: you ever read "Ready Player 1"? Eulora will probably be that.
11:46 pete_dushenski "Gavin has done more for bitcoin in a few years than you could do in a life time. 2003 128mb in my phone, 2006 1Gb on my phone. 2010 32gb on my phone, 2015, 64 gb on my phone. And your telling me raising the block size limit from 1 to 20 mb is an issue?"
11:46 pete_dushenski usgavin is a flash memory developer now !
11:47 pete_dushenski ^from comments on ~original~ cointelegraph pete v. ver article
11:48 chetty isnt bigger always better? /kidding
11:48 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14794 @ 0.00069859 = 10.3349 BTC [-] {3}
11:48 pete_dushenski chetty: domains, my dear, only in certain domains
12:02 punkman http://mainframesproject.tumblr.com/
12:02 assbot Internet Mainframes Project ... ( http://bit.ly/1NhhulK )
12:08 lobbes ;;later tell asciilifeform regarding lobbesbot; I am going to try 'upgrading' my bot to a more recent fork. According to #supybot, there was a rewrite of the RSS plugin that *should* address that issue of ratcheting back
12:08 gribble The operation succeeded.
12:08 punkman http://ascii.textfiles.com/archives/4683
12:08 assbot In Realtime: Saving 25,000 Manuals « ASCII by Jason Scott ... ( http://bit.ly/1EAoSjX )
12:09 punkman lobbes, are you using limnoria?
12:09 lobbes nope, still using supybot ;/
12:09 lobbes going to try and move to limnoria, maybe tonight
12:14 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64250 @ 0.00069231 = 44.4809 BTC [-] {3}
12:25 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15100 @ 0.00074045 = 11.1808 BTC [+]
12:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30797 @ 0.00074045 = 22.8036 BTC [+]
12:37 pete_dushenski !up ascii_field
12:39 pete_dushenski let's try out this orderbook dealio
12:39 pete_dushenski ;;sell 1 Apple Cinema Display 30" at "450 / {bitstamplast}" BTC. Aluminum (A1083) M9179LL/A, 2560x1600, dual-link DVI, dual-firewire, dual-usb ports, power supply, power cable, mint condition. Buyer pays shipping from Canada.
12:39 gribble Error: 'Cinema' is not a valid price input.
12:39 pete_dushenski mk.
12:40 * pete_dushenski goes to derp with gribble in private
12:43 pete_dushenski https://bitcoin-otc.com/vieworder.php?id=22434
12:43 assbot #bitcoin-otc order id 22434 ... ( http://bit.ly/1JfghEn )
12:44 pete_dushenski 'tevye' now at 343,600
12:48 pete_dushenski "if you call the library's IOServiceOpen function with an invalid owningTask parameter, a kernel-level IOUserClient will be passed a NULL pointer for the calling task. This pointer makes its way through more of the OS and is used to locate a variable in memory where a bit is set. By controlling the page of memory at address zero, an attacker can direct where these bits are set, and thus manipulate the kernel's m
12:48 pete_dushenski emory, and eventually seize control of execution with full kernel-level privileges." << affecting mac osx 10.9 and 10.10
12:50 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11400 @ 0.00073255 = 8.3511 BTC [-]
12:53 mats http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/18/us/politics/courts-free-speech-expansion-has-far-reaching-consequences.html
12:53 assbot Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1E0YODY )
12:55 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16608 @ 0.00074045 = 12.2974 BTC [+] {2}
13:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8261 @ 0.00074188 = 6.1287 BTC [+]
13:05 pete_dushenski http://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/gallery/2015/aug/14/china-deserted-amusement-parks-stefano-cerio << china in the "off season"
13:05 assbot China's deserted amusement parks – in pictures | Art and design | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1E10361 )
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13:24 punkman http://www.economist.com/news/china/21661053-new-study-suggests-air-pollution-even-worse-thought-mapping-invisible-scourge
13:24 assbot Explicit cookie consent | The Economist ... ( http://bit.ly/1J0KUjV )
13:24 punkman loltitle
13:25 btcdrak 30day backlog "stress test" on the way http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/coinwallet-plans-bitcoin-dust-attack-september-create-30-day-transaction-backlog-1515981
13:25 assbot CoinWallet says Bitcoin stress test in September will create 30-day backlog ... ( http://bit.ly/1LiOfhZ )
13:25 pete_dushenski btcdrak: tis in the logs
13:25 pete_dushenski punkman: lulz. also : perri-air !
13:25 punkman assbot should reply "ooooooold" when that happens
13:25 pete_dushenski !s perri-air
13:25 assbot 2 results for 'perri-air' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=perri-air
13:26 punkman pete_dushenski: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyrFWbGiGOc
13:26 assbot "Share The Air" Presentation - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1J0LspT )
13:28 pete_dushenski jesus christ on a cross that girl is, what, 15 going on 5
13:28 kakobrekla stress network meh, thanks for derping in the history of everything forever and no way they heard of testnet.
13:28 pete_dushenski "like, like, negative energy, like, like, scribble doodle, like, like, air."
13:29 pete_dushenski testnut.
13:29 punkman girl's an actress, she was pretty good if you ask me
13:30 pete_dushenski pretty good at what ?
13:30 punkman at the acting
13:30 pete_dushenski girl's a comedian !
13:32 kakobrekla anyway, from 'coinwallet's behavior we can conclude that tx fees are waaaaay to low on 'main'net.
13:33 asciilifeform !up ascii_field
13:33 ascii_field kakobrekla: no shit!
13:33 pete_dushenski how many users at coinwallet ? 100 ?
13:33 ascii_field then again, ~threatening~ to spam is... free
13:35 trinque bwahaha I just went on a tirade in #gentoo-hardened about "30-day backlog"
13:35 kakobrekla really it prolly should be more expensive than _ANY_ other way of paying.
13:35 * trinque finishes his coffee
13:36 ascii_field kakobrekla: idk, dropping bullion from a nuke bomber with fighter escort, flying through five usg vassal states, probably ought to cost more
13:37 chetty <ascii_field> kakobrekla: idk, dropping bullion from a nuke bomber with fighter escort, flying through five usg vassal states, probably ought to cost more// isnt that the same thing?
13:37 trinque I thought it was a nuclear blimp
13:38 ascii_field dirigible, damnit
13:38 trinque haha my mistake
13:41 punkman https://scalingbitcoin.org/montreal2015/
13:41 assbot Scaling Bitcoin Workshop ... ( http://bit.ly/1J0P5Mw )
13:45 pete_dushenski !s robert tilton
13:45 assbot 0 results for 'robert tilton' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=robert+tilton
13:45 pete_dushenski robert tilton really is doing "god's work". dude scammed john oliver out of $319 over a period of 7 months.
13:46 pete_dushenski of course, this was just oliver doing "research" but still lulzy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7y1xJAVZxXg
13:46 assbot Last Week Tonight with John Oliver: Televangelists (HBO) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1J0QiU9 )
13:49 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11450 @ 0.00073172 = 8.3782 BTC [-]
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14:10 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20839 @ 0.00073172 = 15.2483 BTC [-]
14:12 punkman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CUnwl3QnjA
14:12 assbot Chinese Man Live feat. Tumi - Get Up (Live Content) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1J0XK1x )
14:13 punkman get up, get out, you lazy lout // get into your working clothes // up to your knees in oil and grease // and a grindstone to your nose
14:13 punkman (and the original http://www.traditionalmusic.co.uk/folk-song-lyrics/Lazy_Lout.htm )
14:13 assbot Folk & Traditional Song Lyrics - Lazy Lout ... ( http://bit.ly/1J0Y1S5 )
14:15 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47460 @ 0.00073188 = 34.735 BTC [+] {3}
14:17 mircea_popescu in the spirit of punkmans', http://33.media.tumblr.com/88a6aa4de7e4fdb7df6b8679ec5768de/tumblr_nbwyl50pxz1tas0xfo1_400.gif
14:17 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1J0YTWR )
14:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14700 @ 0.00073278 = 10.7719 BTC [+]
14:25 mircea_popescu lmao all the fucktarded jokes. "who makes the byline of a crypto book start with the workd unlocking?" "o'reilly executives"
14:25 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3394 @ 0.00072396 = 2.4571 BTC [-]
14:25 asciilifeform !up ascii_field
14:26 ascii_field mircea_popescu: recently, for lulz, i collected warez scans of every published book i could find with 'bitcoin' in the title
14:26 ascii_field the least retarded was the one by wiley financial press
14:26 mircea_popescu aha!
14:26 ascii_field (it was still pretty heavy on the retardation, but not an outright maculature)
14:27 mircea_popescu i heard the same thing.
14:27 ascii_field contained, for instance, a mostly-accurate description of blockchain mechanics
14:27 ascii_field (but equally long bloviations re: crackpot altcoins)
14:27 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1242062 << you are such a tool means that you don't act of your own retardation. this is the worst insult known to usian.
14:27 assbot Logged on 18-08-2015 11:41:25; kakobrekla: anyway, a tool can be retarded, its the very definition of it ; "you are a such a tool". see?
14:28 mircea_popescu better, you see, eat soap wrapped in my own country's flag than cheese in a plain white rapper.
14:29 ascii_field p4tr10t!!
14:29 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1242070 << yeah, and many people derping around "pua" conferences aren't retarded, just unaware there's better ways to relate to women.
14:29 assbot Logged on 18-08-2015 11:47:11; jurov: many ppl using windows are not retards, just completely unaware there's a better way to use a computer
14:29 mircea_popescu this'd be the definition of retarded neh ?
14:29 mike_c "However, it will make it prohibitively expensive," << a quarter of a penny is prohibitively expensive?
14:30 mircea_popescu well... the government of the us is paying them to derp on reddit. why is the government of bitcoin not paying them to use bitcoin ?
14:30 ascii_field mike_c: for 'beoble', and for sp4mz0rz who want to take shits of infinite tonnage into our collective mouths for free - yes.
14:30 punkman mike_c, well if you only have 2 pennies
14:30 * trinque does his best anal-child squeal of frustration for mike_c
14:30 mircea_popescu clearly bitcoin government is bad and they should hold a vote.
14:30 mircea_popescu there's all this money here. let's democratic it.
14:31 mircea_popescu "oh but mp, the money got here specifically because undemocratic"
14:31 mike_c punkman: hehe, yeah. I will cry for their inability to push their dust around.
14:31 mircea_popescu "yeah... like everywhere else ? the us got rich by being a republic, not by being a democracy. the soviets got rich under tyranny and then the demobureau fucked it up"
14:32 mircea_popescu anyway, to the expensive topic : it is an inconvenient but nevertheless incontrovertible fact that the price point for bitcoin tx is VASTLY above the pricepoint for "visa tx" or "bank tx".
14:32 mike_c "The fact that the XT fork hasn't occurred yet is ridiculous," CoinWallet said. << I do so love the tears of rage and frustration.
14:32 mircea_popescu the reason is that bitcoin tx offers some specific services neither visa nor wire offer.
14:33 mircea_popescu so, no, the price of steak is not going to be considered by comparison to "price of food" defined as "mcshitty menu".
14:33 mircea_popescu because steak isn't that. and so... $5k a transaction is no big deal. if you don't care to have your shit verified by the entire world, go send a wire, at $500 or w/e it will be by then
14:34 ascii_field 500%
14:34 ascii_field (laugh, but cost for smallish wires to, e.g., ru from usa, is typically 100%)
14:34 punkman I'll just send you the priv keys, "you move it"
14:34 mircea_popescu nah, see, it'll still be dust, 0.001 btc or w/e.
14:35 jurov http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1242269 ofc, since we are innately biologically driven towards computers, like we are to women
14:35 assbot Logged on 18-08-2015 18:29:04; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1242070 << yeah, and many people derping around "pua" conferences aren't retarded, just unaware there's better ways to relate to women.
14:35 mircea_popescu most of the regularization of the tx price of bitcoin will be done by usd being forced to devaluate in comparison
14:35 mircea_popescu not by straight and nominal price increase.
14:35 mircea_popescu jurov yes, we are.
14:35 mircea_popescu male curiosity is exactly equal to male sex drive.
14:35 punkman well I'd certainly not pay 0.5btc to move 2btc
14:35 mircea_popescu which is why so many dudes on computers.
14:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18050 @ 0.00072369 = 13.0626 BTC [-] {3}
14:36 mircea_popescu punkman there are good (and mathematical provable) reasons for which tx fees will never in average exceed ~0.001
14:36 btcdrak mircea_popescu do you know the guys at quedex.net?
14:36 mircea_popescu !s quedex
14:36 assbot 7 results for 'quedex' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=quedex
14:37 jurov and why all people we hold in high esteem, know how to use women right.. right?
14:37 mircea_popescu iirc some guy here was doing some pro bono work for the,
14:37 btcdrak I'm on a google hangout with them right now, just checking.
14:37 mircea_popescu jurov "use" is not really the word there, and plenty of people we did or do hold in high esteem don't know how to use computers, or got a war wound.
14:37 mircea_popescu you can't argue anecdote to statistics.
14:38 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8500 @ 0.00071741 = 6.098 BTC [-]
14:38 jurov and statistics are? all people with iq > 120 use lisp?
14:38 mircea_popescu "this guy looks like his next door neighbour rather than his father ergo inheritance is wrong"
14:38 jurov and live in happy marriage or polyamory or whatever?
14:38 ascii_field some people use pointed stick and live in an igloo.
14:39 mircea_popescu no. the statistics are that young males spend more time with computers than with women.
14:39 ascii_field with walrus.
14:39 jurov and how from tit all follows that windows users ===== derps?
14:39 thestringpuller mircea_popescu: computers are less annoying than most women these men would say.
14:39 kakobrekla how do you know the sex of my machine?
14:40 mircea_popescu kakobrekla sex dun matter. the entire thing was "male curiosity is the same thing that makes the male sex drive".
14:40 * danielpbarron gives his computers girl names
14:40 mircea_popescu jurov i don't go there, im just speaking to the rthing i spoke to ok ?
14:41 mircea_popescu this "not retarded just unaware" is nonsense. that they're unaware is the proof of their retardation.
14:41 mircea_popescu now, maybe they are aware and use windows for impenetrable reasons, to which i don't got much to say.
14:41 ascii_field big fat difference 'being aware' makes.
14:41 mircea_popescu does.
14:42 ascii_field how?
14:42 mircea_popescu lemme show you. suppose you go by a diner in wash, and inside see the most beautiful girl ever
14:42 mircea_popescu like, conceivable. you wipe away tears of mental contradiction because you didn't think this could exist.
14:42 mircea_popescu so, on an impulse, uncharacteristically, you go in. and walk up to her
14:42 mircea_popescu and say hi!
14:42 mircea_popescu anmd she looks at you and totally loses it.
14:43 mircea_popescu she like jumps all over you and is like "omg you know how long i've been waitinfg for you my love!?!?!?!"
14:43 mircea_popescu so you kiss at which point a dude opens the door, pulls out a shotgun and blows your brains away.
14:43 mircea_popescu the last thing you hear is "fucking shit, excuse me, miss. i thought he was someone else."
14:43 ascii_field ah finally back to real world!
14:43 trinque lol
14:44 mircea_popescu and this is not nearly as contrived as it may seem. the one wish that will come up if you actually are a necromancer and can speak with the dead
14:44 mircea_popescu (like yours truly)
14:45 mircea_popescu in all the cases of murdered wise men, is "i wish they had first bothered to know who the fuck i was".
14:45 ascii_field the canonical: 'one day, a bullet hit stierlitz in the head. "a hollow-point, must be!", thought stierlitz, scatter-brained'
14:46 mircea_popescu lol
14:47 trinque danielpbarron: http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/firefly/images/5/5a/Vera_weapon_Jayne_OMR.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20070214225453
14:47 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1EAFb0g )
14:48 mircea_popescu that looks just like an angry mike_c
14:48 mircea_popescu don't shoot mikey, we're not disparaging windows. just the users. k ?
14:48 mike_c hehehe
14:48 mircea_popescu "AND THIS IS FOR THE PAPERCLIP!!!1"
14:48 trinque hahahha
14:51 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1242093 << for the record, "revenge" "cxheated" etc is bullshit. female monkeys genitally injure beta males. usually by biting.
14:51 assbot Logged on 18-08-2015 13:32:33; shinohai: This drama: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3201418/Jilted-woman-gets-revenge-cheating-boyfriend-setting-crotch-fire-s-sleeping.html
14:51 mircea_popescu same thing.
14:52 mircea_popescu it's not revenge and it's not cheating, it's "you're too shitty to reproduce". a sensor they do have in their brain, and which is being so deeply downregulated to live in teh civilised world, it starts firing randomly.
14:52 ascii_field !b 4
14:52 assbot Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0KF8SFP.txt )
14:52 mircea_popescu notably, no female monkey that's been raped, even if regularly and consistently, ever attacks the rapist.
14:53 mircea_popescu nevertheless, she WILL disable dribbly betas that make half-assed attempts which they manage to fend off.
14:54 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1242106 << prolly a great thing to fix huh.
14:54 assbot Logged on 18-08-2015 14:22:09; BingoBoingo: They aren't complete, because I accidentalied a lot of it
14:56 mircea_popescu i suppose you could turn this into a "you're not supposed to be a man, i picked you because you're shit, to make you my live toy. if you contradict this i'll fucking kill you" which could then be summarized as "jilted" and "revenge". but if THAT is what the authors are thinking when using those words, they're worse than the KKK over there.
14:56 trinque you know, a former girlfriend I said goodbye to this weekend told me that the problem with being with me was that she lost the desire to seek other sexual partners when fucking me (this apparently being psychologically important to her for some reason related to shopping)
14:56 mircea_popescu an' should really be ashamed of themselves.
14:56 trinque I just shook my head, said "jesush christ you're broken" and laughed
14:56 mircea_popescu trinque dun judge womenz by what they say to you at times like that.
14:57 trinque hmm, maybe so
14:57 trinque could've just been what you say to him when leaving
14:57 mircea_popescu i mean if she said that she couldn't possibly have been unfaithful yes ?
14:57 mircea_popescu this is how twu wuv sounds, right ?
14:57 trinque yeah not once, though broke it off with me because she thought this quaint? or who knows what
14:58 trinque this was from years ago
14:58 trinque my reaction was "if this is your natural reaction to me, what the fuck's wrong with it?"
14:58 shinohai I also read a story of Yazidi women who have formed a paramilitary force to kill their rapists (ISIS)
14:58 mircea_popescu which is why /me recommends structured relations. takes all this dubious derpage out of the thing.
14:59 mircea_popescu theres a reason when people go dancing they agree aforehand on WHAT dance will they dance
14:59 mircea_popescu rather than you know, find themselves there and try to guess as they go alon
14:59 trinque right, were I to just take charge and say "well you belong to me then, and that's that" she'd react with all the socialist bullshit in her head
14:59 mircea_popescu shinohai right, and this exists not as a tool to keep in line the beta boys of isis, but as a means for isis to lose its fucking leadership.
15:00 mircea_popescu trinque so ?
15:00 mircea_popescu always give the other the chance to actually play his hand, yes ?
15:00 mircea_popescu you thinking what they'd do is not good enough.
15:01 trinque tbh it is in listening to you describe relationships that I've realized I have several lovers I have not tended to *at all*
15:01 trinque that is, to be very honest.
15:01 trinque but anyhow, I'm leaving this state and she's voting for hillary or something
15:01 mircea_popescu lol so what if she is.
15:02 mircea_popescu lemme ask you this. if you were the well bearded patriarch of a most devouted harem
15:02 mircea_popescu and i mean... girls who'd lovingly, readily lick your asshole if you don't feel like using toilet paper, devoted.
15:02 mircea_popescu would you tell them who to vote for ?
15:02 shinohai vote for me :D
15:02 mircea_popescu fnargl, you know ? big deal.
15:03 mircea_popescu one of the most useful conceptual tools at your disposal. "am i doing this because i'm not sure i'm the king-emperor, or because it's what the king-emperor does ?"
15:03 trinque no, never been my style to try to control those things
15:03 trinque you're right
15:03 punkman why would you let them vote?
15:04 mircea_popescu that question divides the abstract world in two. not even that one or the other of the two kinds is better. merely the distinction is useful in and of itself.
15:04 asciilifeform !up ascii_field
15:04 ascii_field let's also ask which mcdonalds item they will be ordered to eat?
15:04 mircea_popescu punkman i don't care either way, they can vote if they want to, what.
15:04 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34850 @ 0.00071112 = 24.7825 BTC [-] {3}
15:04 trinque now, "read this book"
15:04 mircea_popescu ascii_field whay ?
15:04 trinque yeah I've said things like that, and not asked whether
15:04 trinque and this has usually had a wonderful result
15:04 ascii_field mircea_popescu: re: 'who to vote'
15:04 trinque girl in question went from being a retail something to a project manager at a software company
15:05 mircea_popescu ascii_field if you enforce looks and a fuckable muscle tone, they drop the mcd on their own.
15:05 ascii_field mega-unsurprise
15:05 ascii_field was answering the 'who would you order them to vote for'
15:05 mircea_popescu trinque see ? that's your spv. "you're my thing, and if you shut up and suck it you may one day be smart enough to do all the things you don't like toi think about now because you're unsure"
15:06 mircea_popescu ah ah ha
15:06 phf trinque: in my experience you want to bring that socialist stuff to the surface asap, and then nip it in the bud, or end the whole thing if failed. eventually the unexplored is going to be what creates strife
15:07 mircea_popescu i can undersign.
15:07 trinque yeah, of course this was a goodbye, so I have made an assessment of whether the tumor's extractable
15:07 trinque it's sort of a diseased version of something normal, I observe
15:07 punkman mircea_popescu: they drop the mcd on their own. << yeah that's what I was shooting for, why would a good slavegirl want to vote in derplections?
15:08 trinque she saw herself developing into a woman due to my books and fucking, and couldn't deal with that
15:08 mircea_popescu godel sez : you never know, punkman.
15:08 trinque neotony, it's a thing, I've learned :p
15:08 trinque *neoteny
15:08 mircea_popescu trinque dun hurt telling these things out plain, in general.
15:09 trinque sure, told her all of that
15:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19650 @ 0.00072074 = 14.1625 BTC [+]
15:09 mircea_popescu but i did order mcdonalds icecream cones be purchased and sampled, because wtf already, when i came here first i was shocked at how good the icecream was. then i found a place which shocked me again, at how good their icecreeam was over argentine icecream. and recentyly found a second, which YET AGAIN
15:09 shinohai dun hurt to always marry a girl at the top of her blowjob game, either.
15:10 mircea_popescu shinohai ie a 50yo retired whore ?
15:10 trinque lol
15:10 shinohai I liek Milfs
15:10 mircea_popescu but if she's a milf she has kids, which makes her cocksucking dedication questionable at best.
15:11 shinohai truth
15:11 mircea_popescu "nah man, she does this trick where she grabls her knees and spits in her own snatch afterwards, i've never seen anything like it."
15:13 trinque the kind of woman you can curl up with a book in
15:13 shinohai https://twitter.com/rogerkver/status/633714822580994048 <<<lel
15:14 * trinque has begun to not care, open to reasons why he should
15:14 trinque how's this not just any other altcoin?
15:14 mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2015/the-news-in-brief-hearn-is-a-shitstain-mp-is-right-fuck-reddit-love-satoshi/#comment-115061 << kinda nonplussed this didn't deliver yet.
15:14 assbot The news, in brief : "Hearn is a shitstain, MP is right, fuck reddit. Love, Satoshi" on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Eyf7mo )
15:14 mircea_popescu cmon, shitstains. can we get it in writing ? hm ?
15:14 mircea_popescu lawl.
15:15 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1242113 << lmao.
15:15 assbot Logged on 18-08-2015 14:27:14; punkman: "The previous CoinWallet test only achieved about 15% of its output because its servers crashed."
15:16 mircea_popescu "we're gonna be important!111"
15:16 mircea_popescu i guess they did get something from the early mpoe-pr adversative marketing techniques. so in that sense less dumb than most forum derps.
15:17 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1242118http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1242118 << quite exactly. "o hai, wer didn't accomplish anything and our servers crashed in the process. WE CAN JUGGLE!!1"
15:17 assbot Logged on 18-08-2015 14:31:36; asciilifeform: nah but you 'get points for trying' if you break your fists. somehow. in the bizarre usg twerp view of the world.
15:18 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1242129 << the dream of cheapskate "influencers", yoiu know ? they're gonna spin up 5k amazon instances for $500, and count it as a "majority" becauyse totally, votes from a buried pogo and an aws instance with a 100 hour lifespan are EQUAL.
15:18 assbot Logged on 18-08-2015 14:50:30; Naphex: BingoBoingo: amazon seems to be supporting it hard lol
15:18 mircea_popescu why is astroturfing so fundamental to usg political thought is beyond me.
15:19 mircea_popescu why they expect it to work however...
15:19 ascii_field 'cause vox populi, vox dei !!111!!11 (tm) (r)
15:19 mircea_popescu orly ?
15:19 mircea_popescu and populi = aws instance ?
15:19 ascii_field it ~always~ was
15:19 ascii_field even before electric lamp.
15:20 ascii_field 'i speak for the trees, for the trees have no tongues!1'
15:20 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1242140 << thios, really. there's absolutely no reason to allow aws anywhere.
15:20 assbot Logged on 18-08-2015 15:09:37; BingoBoingo: Or the ones on the AWS ip space
15:20 * mircea_popescu is kinda tooi lazy to dig up that article with the oglaf cartoon re the electoral debater.
15:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41700 @ 0.00072074 = 30.0549 BTC [+]
15:21 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1242153 << i take it pete read http://trilema.com/2011/in-sprijinul-eugeniei/ ? somehow ?
15:21 assbot Logged on 18-08-2015 15:38:50; pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2015/08/18/asking-your-friend-to-bang-your-prospective-wife-and-other-silly-ideas/
15:21 assbot In sprijinul eugeniei on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1hL4KXw )
15:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28650 @ 0.00070141 = 20.0954 BTC [-] {3}
15:23 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1242168 << it is, lol. check out the idiot. 3 years, up 64x. 4 more years, up 32x. 5 more years, up 2x.
15:23 assbot Logged on 18-08-2015 15:46:27; pete_dushenski: "Gavin has done more for bitcoin in a few years than you could do in a life time. 2003 128mb in my phone, 2006 1Gb on my phone. 2010 32gb on my phone, 2015, 64 gb on my phone. And your telling me raising the block size limit from 1 to 20 mb is an issue?"
15:24 mircea_popescu and this is somehow an argument in his stupid head ?
15:25 mircea_popescu a more pointed example of how the entire thing just ground to a halt could not be devised if one tried. and yet the derp figures this bolsters his case. because he went to a school in the united states.
15:25 fluffypony BUT HIS PHONE HAS A BIGGER SD CARD
15:25 fluffypony SO THEREFORE
15:26 mircea_popescu yea. and in 2020 a phone that has 32 gb card will cost 100x what the phone with the 64 gb card cost in 2015.
15:28 ascii_field 100,000.
15:29 mircea_popescu nah. they're not actually useful and were made in bulk, so.
15:32 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1242217 << they don't want to test, thjey know it doesn't work already. they want to derp. and, for a while yet, they can, so let 'em enjoe.
15:32 assbot Logged on 18-08-2015 17:28:32; kakobrekla: stress network meh, thanks for derping in the history of everything forever and no way they heard of testnet.
15:35 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1242230 << dude gets it.
15:35 assbot Logged on 18-08-2015 17:35:12; kakobrekla: really it prolly should be more expensive than _ANY_ other way of paying.
15:36 mircea_popescu "if you have any option besides paying in bitcoin, USE THAT. wtf is wrong with you anyway."
15:37 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1242241 << bwahaha thanks for adding the references. this is going to become VERY useful in the future.
15:37 assbot Logged on 18-08-2015 17:45:45; pete_dushenski: robert tilton really is doing "god's work". dude scammed john oliver out of $319 over a period of 7 months.
15:37 mircea_popescu certainly before the 2020.
15:38 mircea_popescu and for the record, that guardian article is a horrible hack job. it looks like someone took a camera and went to a coupla yard sales. wtf guardian, seriously ? you ever seen new jersey ?
15:38 mircea_popescu atlantic city ?
15:38 mircea_popescu where do you live!
15:53 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18200 @ 0.00071182 = 12.9551 BTC [+]
15:55 asciilifeform !up ascii_field
15:55 ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1242469 << not built to last.
15:55 assbot Logged on 18-08-2015 19:29:50; mircea_popescu: nah. they're not actually useful and were made in bulk, so.
15:55 mircea_popescu that's what drives the price : as the stored stuff gets delivered
15:56 mircea_popescu not for a moment was i proposing user-owned shit to make it. but there's boxes.
15:56 mircea_popescu ytou know, like the pogos. exactly.
15:57 ascii_field i won't be surprised if we learn that usg has purchased and burned the bulk of those.
15:59 mircea_popescu with what money ?
15:59 mircea_popescu nah, the water left in the pipe is left in the pipe.
15:59 mircea_popescu the pipe's chinese mostly.
15:59 mircea_popescu some euro/arab shipping corps.
15:59 mircea_popescu the us dun count for shit in this story.
16:00 mircea_popescu jus' dreamin' its dreams of "intellectual property" and whatnot
16:01 ascii_field with a few $k srsly
16:01 ascii_field is all it'd take.
16:01 mircea_popescu hardly.
16:01 ascii_field what was that warehouse total, $8k ?
16:01 ascii_field danielpbarron ?
16:01 thestringpuller http://trilema.com/2015/the-news-in-brief-hearn-is-a-shitstain-mp-is-right-fuck-reddit-love-satoshi/#comment-115061 << It's a shit blizzard mircea_popescu
16:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00071182 = 3.7015 BTC [+]
16:03 mircea_popescu ascii_field here's the model i propose to you : current debit is 1mn units/day, say, call this t0. "world ends" event, t1. prices spike 40-50% and social support wanes. demand drops 80%. this is t2. production stops, and the pipeline gets diverted to storage, this is t3.
16:03 mircea_popescu the good now moves from pipeline to sotrage pricing, and as a result it will slowly dwindle as price goes exponential and demand collapses.
16:04 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9341 @ 0.0007116 = 6.6471 BTC [-]
16:04 mircea_popescu so, sales of 100 units/day, at 100x what they cost a day, some point at t5.
16:05 mircea_popescu that 1% total sale volume is the last sustainable place for it, after price increases past 100x demand collapses entirely and the good either becomes monetized or disappears outright, in the hands of collectors.
16:05 mircea_popescu this is the star line of goods. just like normal stars.
16:12 ascii_field pogo?!!!
16:12 ascii_field as it is, a used car's worth of benjie buys the lot.
16:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30400 @ 0.00071282 = 21.6697 BTC [+]
16:15 jurov pogo is useless without hard drive, either (and no, we don't have antifuse rom)
16:17 ascii_field jurov: no (yet) shortage of those
16:17 jurov you remember that flood? and it was only one factory
16:17 ascii_field aha
16:18 ascii_field iirc it made spindle drives only
16:18 ascii_field but yes, one burned/flooded factory can double price of $component
16:18 ascii_field (certain items are still scarce on account of fukushima)
16:18 mircea_popescu pogo isn't the same thing as "cellphone"
16:18 ascii_field but all of this is re: generic technocollapse
16:19 ascii_field i was speaking of a specific strategic good
16:19 ascii_field that is useful pretty much only to us
16:19 mircea_popescu jurov nah it was like 3, and in any case the weather stayed bad and 90% of production was in the same area.
16:19 mircea_popescu but yes : goods there moved from pipeline to storage like... halfway. 1/3 of a way really
16:19 mircea_popescu price doubled. (price doubled specifically bnecause it wasn't all the way, incidentally)
16:20 ascii_field the other thing is that price doesn't double when those directly hit can 'borrow' using shitflation - e.g., switch to chinese electrolytic capacitors instead of fukkupied jp parts
16:20 mircea_popescu yeah but i don't see how the smartphone made out of shit and sticks will cut it
16:20 ascii_field ask samsung
16:21 ascii_field they ship'em now.
16:21 mircea_popescu (incidentally -0 this is how the russians ruined their at some point fledging industrial reputation
16:21 ascii_field aha.
16:21 mircea_popescu the soviets tried the inflatatron, but by making shitstick cellphgone. it blew in their face)
16:21 mircea_popescu it's almost never a bad idea, that.
16:21 mircea_popescu shit.
16:21 ascii_field however it works if 'that's how world works' and the consumer frog is boiled 1) reasonably slowly 2) in unison
16:21 mircea_popescu it's never a GOOD idea, that.
16:22 mircea_popescu no, it does not work. it merely appears to have worked
16:22 ascii_field 'cell phone lasts a year, dontcha know'
16:22 mircea_popescu next thing you know, you hang.
16:22 ascii_field wake me up when the makers of 2007-present autos hang
16:22 mircea_popescu you and your sleep cycles.
16:22 mircea_popescu !s wake me up when
16:22 assbot 49 results for 'wake me up when' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=wake+me+up+when
16:22 mircea_popescu !s ad libitum
16:22 assbot 38 results for 'ad libitum' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=ad+libitum
16:22 mircea_popescu see ? you're 11 sleeps ahead. quit bitchin'.
16:22 * ascii_field is to sleep as the archetypical sex starved 14 y.o. is to sex
16:23 mircea_popescu "to ensure world happiness, you buy some people girlfriends and some people's girlfriends"
16:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18400 @ 0.00069186 = 12.7302 BTC [-]
16:23 mircea_popescu oh mpoe how you toe with my heart
16:24 ascii_field pretty much 90% of my 'rich' fantasy consists of being able to actually do my hardwired 26-hour circadian instead of pretending, badly, to do the standard 24
16:24 danielpbarron ascii_field> danielpbarron ? << wasn't it like 20k?
16:24 mircea_popescu im doing it lol.
16:24 jurov so the consensus is.. i should start stocking on hdds/ssds?
16:24 ascii_field jurov: can't hurt
16:24 mircea_popescu the consensus is, it makes more sense to hoard NRFB smartphones than gold.
16:24 ascii_field unless they have peculiarly short shelf lives
16:25 ascii_field (not impossible, and i can't rule it out)
16:25 mircea_popescu but then again gold is a very low bar. almost anything makes more sense to hoard.
16:25 asciilifeform !up ascii_field
16:26 jurov lol incidentally.. my newfound love for n900's
16:26 trinque not dumbphone enough for me
16:26 trinque what I really want is like a radio-passive beeper
16:26 ascii_field trinque: those are still sold
16:27 jurov web browser can be handy
16:27 trinque ascii_field: I may just not know how a beeper works
16:27 danielpbarron ascii_field> 'cell phone lasts a year, dontcha know' << i've had my iPhone 5 for 3 years now, if i'm not mistaken
16:27 ascii_field danielpbarron: wait till the os update is mandatory
16:27 ascii_field then - straight to dumpster
16:27 danielpbarron i've been updating all the way
16:27 ascii_field but i was making an abstract point
16:27 ascii_field that scarcely anyone keeps these for longer than 2-3 yrs
16:27 mircea_popescu very abstract indeed.
16:28 ascii_field just like around 2007 it became ~sop~ for cars to last 5 yr instead of 15
16:28 trinque ascii_field: now that I'm reading about it, is the passive in one-way pagers actually passive in the sense I care about?
16:28 danielpbarron most useful feature of my iPhone is mod6's MPEx twitter bot announcing trades in real time to me wherever I go
16:28 trinque not so much as a peep back to tower?
16:28 ascii_field trinque: passive in the sense of not transmitting
16:28 ascii_field at least not by design
16:28 trinque hm
16:28 mircea_popescu im pretty sure they still heartbeat
16:28 ascii_field no
16:29 ascii_field at least not classic pagers
16:29 ascii_field that ran on 'aaa' cell for 2 weeks
16:29 mircea_popescu is it an abstract point ?
16:29 trinque surely this, being sane, must be on the way out
16:29 ascii_field mircea_popescu: no, it was (and to a limited extent, still is) an actual product where i live
16:29 ascii_field small box that only receives (somewhere in the 400 MHz band), with character display
16:30 ascii_field ;;google pocsag
16:30 gribble POCSAG - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/POCSAG>; POCSAG - Signal Identification Wiki: <http://www.sigidwiki.com/wiki/POCSAG>; RTL-SDR Tutorial: POCSAG Pager Decoding - rtl-sdr.com: <http://www.rtl-sdr.com/rtl-sdr-tutorial-pocsag-pager-decoding/>
16:30 ascii_field ^ him
16:30 mircea_popescu aha
16:30 ascii_field signal from the station is very strong, can be received, typically, even in a lift, or an underground station
16:30 ascii_field which made 'beeper' popular even as mobile phone appeared
16:31 ascii_field surgeons, i'm told, still carry classic 'beeper.'
16:31 ascii_field 'beepers' with provisions for answering were introduced but were obsoleted by 'smartPnohe'
16:31 jurov lizardhitler must be able to page you at any time!!!1
16:32 ascii_field how else.
16:33 trinque hm. now I want a pocsag usb device
16:34 ascii_field easy
16:34 ascii_field http://www.rtl-sdr.com/rtl-sdr-tutorial-pocsag-pager-decoding
16:34 assbot RTL-SDR Tutorial: POCSAG Pager Decoding - rtl-sdr.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jp3o0K )
16:34 ascii_field $15.
16:34 trinque fun!
16:34 ascii_field though bad link
16:34 ascii_field asks you to use a shitblowz proggy
16:35 ascii_field there is a proper one somewhere
16:35 mats danielpbarron: wait what? 'MPEx1' hasn't tweeted since 2013
16:35 ascii_field https://github.com/EliasOenal/multimon-ng
16:35 assbot EliasOenal/multimon-ng · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jp3zsV )
16:35 trinque general notion being that I might do some driving around with the laptop soon, see the states while it's easy, and I'd like to rely on passive tech (beeper, gps, etc) more as an exercise than because of any operational need
16:36 danielpbarron mats, https://twitter.com/BitOTTer
16:36 assbot BitOTTerBot (@BitOTTer) | Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jp3BB4 )
16:36 ascii_field trinque: it still lives & dies by the official transmitters
16:36 ascii_field nothing 'decentralized' about it
16:36 trinque ascii_field: sure, of course
16:37 ascii_field but do wake me up when somebody starts transmitting a therealbitcoin blockchain i can pick up with my rtlsdr !!
16:37 trinque indeed
16:37 ascii_field and when i can throw a transaction into a wireless parasite mesh
16:38 ascii_field ^ mircea_popescu ?
16:38 mircea_popescu hm?
16:38 punkman you can send tx with satphone
16:38 ascii_field application for hypothetical device
16:38 ascii_field punkman: satellite ~= fighter jet
16:39 ascii_field not to be relied on for the future.
16:39 ascii_field certainly not unless one serves usg
16:39 mircea_popescu you mean cn.
16:39 ascii_field or.
16:39 mircea_popescu not even or.
16:39 ascii_field cn, ru
16:39 punkman and how does wireless mesh reach china?
16:39 mircea_popescu myeah.,
16:39 ascii_field punkman: what do i need china for
16:39 punkman well US transactions need to leave the continent no?
16:40 ascii_field sure
16:40 ascii_field shortwave.
16:40 ascii_field hell, moon bounce.
16:40 ascii_field troposcatter.
16:40 mircea_popescu are we doingthis again ?
16:40 ascii_field ^ ANOTHER reason tx ~has~ to be expensive, and blocks - light.
16:40 ascii_field mircea_popescu: which this
16:41 punkman http://kryptoradio.koodilehto.fi/
16:41 assbot Kryptoradio by Koodilehto ... ( http://bit.ly/1J2iOTf )
16:41 ascii_field punkman: in logs, yes
16:41 ascii_field punkman: uses derpatroic bitcoind though
16:41 ascii_field and therefore not of interest.
16:41 mircea_popescu ascii_field "providing punctual technical solutions for poorly understood future situations".
16:41 mats danielpbarron: ok cool
16:41 ascii_field nah just doing a mircea_popescuine 'i like to think'
16:42 ascii_field as with yesterday's block fattening thread.
16:42 mircea_popescu so what';s the premise ? i guess i missed it.
16:42 * mircea_popescu loathes to think without premise.
16:42 ascii_field premise is that in certain zimbabwes, net access is dodgy
16:43 ascii_field one effective answer is 'don't go there' - reasonable
16:43 mircea_popescu see, that's the difference. i don't think we ca do a "like to think" if the premise is not an "all" or "every"
16:43 mircea_popescu actually, i would propose that's the difference between think and wank in the space in question.
16:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14734 @ 0.00070467 = 10.3826 BTC [+]
16:44 mircea_popescu think is "all". wank is "some". "certain" is iffy and should be resolved to either.
16:44 ascii_field mircea_popescu designs a parachute, and reasons using 'all' and 'every' ?
16:44 ascii_field is to deploy on every flight ?
16:44 mircea_popescu yes. when you design "a parachute" you design it for "every".
16:44 mircea_popescu if you do not you got a very bad result.
16:44 ascii_field for every pull of the cord.
16:44 ascii_field but not for every flight.
16:45 mircea_popescu so then you say this, and your "Certain" has become an "every"
16:45 ascii_field fine. when i pull this 'cord', we get a bitcoin node in a place where usg does not wish for there to be honest nodes.
16:45 ascii_field that there's your 'every.'
16:46 mircea_popescu "a" is still not every but certain :)
16:46 * mircea_popescu gapes in amazement at the incredibly powerful tool he came up with over dinner conversation.
16:46 ascii_field 'a' == every territory presently occupied by the bugmen
16:46 mircea_popescu so any ?
16:46 ascii_field aha.
16:47 jurov ascii_field: if it can filter internet such, then it can do radio, too
16:47 mircea_popescu this problem is easily resolved : there can not be an "any" node.
16:47 ascii_field jurov: bugmen rely on radio too much, in modern times, for proper sov-style jamming
16:49 jurov they rely on 'net, too, back since desert storm
16:49 ascii_field own net.
16:49 jurov that does not exist
16:50 ascii_field sure does.
16:50 * ascii_field saw it, alive.
16:50 ascii_field they still have separate cabling and all.
16:50 ascii_field granted, not as extensive as once before, in the old days
16:50 ascii_field commercial links for most (but not all) long haul
16:50 phf trinque: i have a gsm modem on home base, that saves sms to text file and generates wave files of left messages. when i travel i just periodically download that stuff, when i get internet connection. you could probably harden it in various ways to minimize your location being traced, as an exercise
16:51 kakobrekla you download wave files ?!
16:51 mircea_popescu o.O
16:52 mircea_popescu why not make them bitmaps
16:52 ascii_field incidentally, and not unrelated, payphones of the traditional kind where almost entirely abolished where i live
16:52 ascii_field over past 5 or so years
16:52 ascii_field they were a loophole in the tracking grid and had to die, yes
16:52 phf obviously, they get lame'd
16:53 mircea_popescu here too.
16:53 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14000 @ 0.00070467 = 9.8654 BTC [+]
16:53 kakobrekla bbbut you are starting off with text which is best, especially to download on the road
16:54 mircea_popescu phf why not download the text ?!
16:54 phf ~voicemail~ messages
16:54 mircea_popescu you said sms lol
16:54 mircea_popescu who the fuck even listens to voicemail. i never have.
16:54 mircea_popescu if someone is dumb enough to talk to a machine they should CONTINUE.
16:55 trinque hahaha
16:55 mircea_popescu well ?
16:55 mircea_popescu i'm not talking to machine talkers.
16:55 trinque voicemail's terrible; I use email and IRC
16:55 trinque and if something doesn't do either of those things, it gets taped into one of them, or abandoned
16:55 ascii_field here in the stone age lands, it is generally expected of a 'serious person' to be reachable by voice phone
16:55 trinque phf: what's this modem? is the sms aspect special, or do I just need to learn those horrible looking codes?
16:56 ascii_field (unless you're hitler and have a secretary)
16:56 mircea_popescu i bet you he gets the bulk of it from womenz that don't know enough contemporaneous culture to just send nudies.
16:56 trinque lol
16:56 asciilifeform !up ascii_field
16:56 ascii_field trinque: nobody cancelled hayes modem codes!!
16:56 trinque I should autoresponder "tits or gtfo"
16:56 ascii_field trinque: how else is the thing to let your machine know that it got a call, msg, or whatnot
16:56 phf trinque: i parse gsm by hand, because. but there's a handful of linux packages that'll do it for you
16:56 ascii_field or to dial it
16:57 trinque I mean, arbitrarily any way
16:57 trinque and someone chose *that*
16:58 trinque for example I know of a guy that built some radio doodad that farts out s-expressions
16:58 phf version 1 of that was written for razr, because first phone i had with a usb connector
16:58 ascii_field btw, best gsm modem i presently know of for this application is just about everything made by 'huawei'
16:58 phf ^
16:58 ascii_field their usb dongles, at least the ones i tested, can even make/receive voice calls
16:58 ascii_field without analogue wiring
16:59 ascii_field this is almost UNKNOWN on any other vendor
16:59 ascii_field (to date i have not been able to source any but huawei which does this)
17:01 mircea_popescu so for my own curiosity (inspired mostly by our bitcoin experiments here) i had it tested. there's no modern browser thatr doesn't leak memory.
17:01 mircea_popescu and we're talking kbps sort of leaks.
17:01 ascii_field no shit
17:02 ascii_field mega-unsurprise
17:02 ascii_field who doesn't believe this - get thee to valgrind, and see for yourself.
17:03 trinque the DOM is far to intermingled to ever deallocate certain things
17:03 trinque god have I spent time in this hell
17:03 trinque *too
17:04 mircea_popescu yeah well...
17:04 mircea_popescu shit dun work.
17:05 mircea_popescu i wonder what;d happen if someone made a racist browser.
17:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14666 @ 0.0007103 = 10.4173 BTC [+]
17:05 mircea_popescu ie one that supported none of the crud.
17:05 punkman lynx?
17:05 mircea_popescu to begin with : did not allow https.
17:05 mircea_popescu nah, graphical.
17:05 trinque sounds like some kinda CLIM thing with a socket
17:06 mircea_popescu ^
17:06 trinque that'd rule
17:06 phf trinque: there's "closure"
17:06 trinque phf: this is hypertext atop lisp in clim?
17:06 trinque because hypertext isn't wrong, the browser is
17:06 punkman http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=10-08-2015#1233154 << you might find a racist here
17:06 assbot Logged on 10-08-2015 05:58:00; punkman: http://browsers.evolt.org/
17:07 * ascii_field believes that hypertext, at least as presently implemented 'in-band', ~is~ wrong
17:07 phf trinque: closure is a browser, which spawned a bunch of projects, one of them is closure-html, an html parser
17:07 trinque yeah nah, I'm talking burn it all to the ground
17:07 ascii_field ^
17:07 trinque represent hypertext as s-exp, write in CLIM
17:07 mircea_popescu should be able to render webm for fuxxase
17:07 trinque I'm sure you could do media really nicely in clim
17:08 trinque and it would know things you could do to the media!
17:08 trinque independent of the site author!
17:08 * trinque stops himself before he dares dream
17:08 phf https://common-lisp.net/project/closure/ for the curious
17:08 assbot Closure Web Browser ... ( http://bit.ly/1MBpttR )
17:08 mircea_popescu anyway : i am itching to declare extant browsers obsolete and force through a replacement.
17:08 mircea_popescu i need this more than i need a bigger blocks hardfork
17:09 mircea_popescu much easier task, too.
17:09 ascii_field replacement for exactly what ?
17:09 ascii_field 'lynx' still works
17:09 mircea_popescu for the gfx browser.
17:09 phf btw lynx has a pretty nasty track record of remote exploitable bus
17:09 phf *bugs
17:10 ascii_field phf: like just about all c proggies
17:10 phf it's probably better then nothing, but without a foundation style audit, it's a liability
17:10 ascii_field phf: the whole shit-orchestra, all the way down to the turtles and elephants, is a mega-liability
17:11 trinque ascii_field believes that hypertext, at least as presently implemented 'in-band', ~is~ wrong << unless I misunderstand you, we agree
17:11 trinque I am saying hypertext as the concept that there are relationships in written word that can be traversed is right
17:11 trinque the browser, emphatically not
17:13 ascii_field the essential thing is to use nothing whatsoever created by the folks who have so thoroughly disqualified themselves.
17:13 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> nah, graphical. << surf ???
17:14 trinque just another webkit wrapper
17:14 trinque I wrote one of those me-self
17:16 phf trinque: that's the gsm package i was thinking of http://wammu.eu/docs/manual/smsd/
17:16 assbot SMS Daemon — Gammu 1.36.5 documentation ... ( http://bit.ly/1KuntgW )
17:16 BingoBoingo What about Dillo, uses own engine
17:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14952 @ 0.00070875 = 10.5972 BTC [-]
17:19 trinque still big wad o' c/c++
17:19 trinque and the problem's so simple!
17:19 ascii_field http://mpetroff.net/2015/05/amazon-dash-button-teardown << very lulzy. contains princely mircocontroller, multiple MB of eeprom, and... a microphone.
17:19 assbot Amazon Dash Button Teardown | Matthew Petroff ... ( http://bit.ly/1MBr3f6 )
17:20 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1242106 << prolly a great thing to fix huh. << In practice largely supplanted by the patch on therealbitcoin list
17:20 assbot Logged on 18-08-2015 14:22:09; BingoBoingo: They aren't complete, because I accidentalied a lot of it
17:27 BingoBoingo !up ascii_field
17:31 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3638 @ 0.00070875 = 2.5784 BTC [-]
17:34 phf oh, i missed the confusion part. the setup saves text files of sms messages and ~separately~ a folder of voicemail messages in mono mp3
17:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11700 @ 0.00070875 = 8.2924 BTC [-]
17:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30489 @ 0.00071648 = 21.8448 BTC [+] {5}
17:51 trinque !rated relaxedman
17:51 assbot relaxedman is not registered in WoT.
17:51 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31950 @ 0.00070467 = 22.5142 BTC [-]
17:51 trinque !up relaxedman
17:51 trinque !h
17:51 assbot http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot
17:51 trinque relaxedman: ^
17:52 relaxedman on it already
17:56 trinque !seen liquidassets
17:56 trinque ;;seen liquidassets
17:56 gribble liquidassets was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 weeks, 6 days, 6 hours, 4 minutes, and 8 seconds ago: <liquidassets> property only entered into it when I tried looking up meaning to funciary commodity. Yes, the "do you want it?" seems to be the question. Thanks MP always a pleasure
17:57 trinque ;;seen WolfGoethe
17:57 gribble WolfGoethe was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 10 weeks, 3 days, 18 hours, 20 minutes, and 21 seconds ago: <WolfGoethe> some fool locking up my coins with bogus trades. what fool wants to deposit cash to the bank... at midnight???
17:57 trinque !unrate WolfGoethe
17:57 assbot Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/b5ebb2c77036eaa7
17:57 BingoBoingo !up ascii_field
17:57 trinque !v assbot:trinque.unrate.WolfGoethe:aebf4e3a51678a9538932c577f3d025744b6d9d15447342b9cbcc4b197eae9ab
17:57 assbot Successfully unrated WolfGoethe
17:58 trinque ;;seen hasimir
17:58 gribble hasimir was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 0 days, 12 hours, 30 minutes, and 9 seconds ago: <Hasimir> yeah, that was it (well, that and ZNC)
17:58 kakobrekla myea, i unrated liek 100 people the other day (in both wots)
17:59 kakobrekla anyone who i havent spoken to in a year for sure.
17:59 shinohai http://lta.newsbtc.com/2015/08/18/la-comunidad-de-bitcoin-se-niega-a-aceptar-bitcoin-xt/ <<< ROFL
17:59 assbot La Comunidad de Bitcoin se Niega a Aceptar Bitcoin XT - NewsBtc ... ( http://bit.ly/1HUwj5H )
17:59 trinque yeah, doing some review
17:59 shinohai ^ qntra got a mention ^^
18:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.00070467 = 2.9596 BTC [-]
18:08 shinohai !up Varia_Varietatis
18:08 trinque I thought Varia_Varietatis was sentenced to 6mos of log-reading for losing his second key
18:09 * trinque twists moustache twistily
18:10 Varia_Varietatis trinque: true, making a new key right now but think I might need a new nickserv account?
18:12 trinque what I'm saying is, nobody in L1 will rate you at the present time such that you can self-voice (or at least, would be wrong to do so) because you made a severe error in maintaining your keys
18:12 kakobrekla the third of fourth?
18:12 trinque an error which you will understand if you actually do the work and read logs
18:13 Varia_Varietatis working on it.
18:14 Varia_Varietatis kakobrekla: anyway I can keep this name? never used the key on the bot.
18:14 kakobrekla well, try to register, see what it says
18:17 Varia_Varietatis hold on, gotta reread how to do all of that out of the log.
18:18 shinohai Varia_Varietatis = n6 ?
18:18 Varia_Varietatis yes
18:18 shinohai or nx
18:19 shinohai Are you still a virgin?
18:19 Varia_Varietatis yes
18:19 shinohai I still can't help you.
18:19 trinque and how old?
18:19 Varia_Varietatis 26
18:19 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10350 @ 0.000732 = 7.5762 BTC [+]
18:20 do you live on an island by yourself?
18:20 Varia_Varietatis no, but I was a recluse for about 12 years.
18:20 Varia_Varietatis Tell you all about it, after I work out my key / name sitaution brb
18:21 danielpbarron !gettrust Varia_Varietatis
18:21 assbot Trust relationship from user danielpbarron to user Varia_Varietatis: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=danielpbarron&to=Varia_Varietatis | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/Varia_Varietatis/
18:22 danielpbarron you did use the key with the bot
18:22 trinque Varia_Varietatis: you're setting yourself up to be rated negatively, here
18:22 trinque you would be best served reading, not trying to register for the umpteenth time
18:23 Varia_Varietatis Yea, I put a key in then lost the pass phrase. trinque true learning gpg still..
18:24 trinque well yes, you are
18:24 trinque but I don't hand you a gun first off when teaching you how to shoot
18:24 * trinque bbl
18:24 danielpbarron Varia_Varietatis, write down pass phrase before you type it in, try out key before you register it
18:25 jurov you obviously need to improve your attention span, logs are useful tool
18:25 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35050 @ 0.00071385 = 25.0204 BTC [-] {4}
18:25 trinque danielpbarron: I wouldn't give the guy one-off answers like that
18:25 Varia_Varietatis working on testing my key now but gpg quit asking for my passphrase think i'm doing something wrong
18:25 trinque gotta *READ*
18:25 jurov and if there's mental disability in play oughta figure it out first
18:26 trinque there is no substitute
18:26 trinque and this point must be enforced by L1, imo.
18:26 danielpbarron Varia_Varietatis, and to answer your other question, yes you will need a new nickname and nickserv registration
18:26 Varia_Varietatis Going to do that now.
18:28 jurov BRB HOLD ON, MUST RUN TO GPG
18:28 danielpbarron i should edit the first_steps wiki page to put the log reading part at the top of the list
18:28 thestringpuller !up ascii_field
18:28 shinohai But really, every time he comes: https://transfer.sh/ABh3C/autism-meter.gif
18:28 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1TSbeoA )
18:30 jurov i found it more like bipolar than aspie (not to say it can't be both)
18:31 BingoBoingo shinohai: You should have linked the original English version apparently outsourced to Odesk http://www.newsbtc.com/2015/08/18/negative-publicity-keeps-miners-away-from-bitcoin-xt/
18:31 assbot Negative Publicity Keeps Miners Away from Bitcoin XT - NEWSBTC ... ( http://bit.ly/1Li9DRC )
18:31 shinohai I saw the Spanish one first BingoBoingo xD
18:32 kakobrekla i dont think miners are 'boycotting' at all ftr.
18:33 danielpbarron ;;isup log.bitcoin-assets.com
18:33 gribble log.bitcoin-assets.com is up
18:34 kakobrekla problem?
18:35 danielpbarron won't load for me, and now the wiki won't either
18:35 jurov loads fine
18:36 kakobrekla prolly danielpbanned
18:37 kakobrekla pm me your ip i can check
18:39 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23000 @ 0.000732 = 16.836 BTC [+]
18:41 kakobrekla all taken care of.
18:42 kakobrekla i have a rather trigger happy ban hammer
18:42 kakobrekla a warconfig.
~ 17 minutes ~
18:59 BingoBoingo Better than configwar
19:01 danielpbarron the blank dvds i picked up today are the wrong kind.. why is + vs - still a thing!?
19:01 danielpbarron is it to get me to walk into the store a 2nd time 50% of the time?
19:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12250 @ 0.000732 = 8.967 BTC [+]
19:03 danielpbarron meanwhile i'm trying to remember how I last got a gentoo-live thing on a flash drive
19:15 BingoBoingo Did you install to the drive?
19:18 danielpbarron no, there's supposed to be a way to copy the contents of the .iso to the flash drive
19:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37150 @ 0.00070467 = 26.1785 BTC [-] {2}
19:25 BingoBoingo danielpbarron: Well you have to make sure it is copying over as the right filesystem then. I forget what it's called that has an actual disk filesystem layered over the CD iso, but probably that is missing
19:27 danielpbarron gotta mount the iso and copy the stuff inside into a specially created disk image file
19:30 trinque danielpbarron: use my thing!
19:30 trinque !s deedbot.org/genbootstrap
19:30 assbot 0 results for 'deedbot.org/genbootstrap' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=deedbot.org%2Fgenbootstrap
19:30 trinque fucker
19:30 trinque !s genbootstrap
19:30 assbot 2 results for 'genbootstrap' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=genbootstrap
19:30 trinque wat...
19:31 trinque danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-08-2015#1239184
19:31 assbot Logged on 15-08-2015 22:32:03; trinque: shinohai: http://deedbot.org/genbootstrap.sh.sig
19:31 BingoBoingo !s genitalstrap
19:31 assbot 0 results for 'genitalstrap' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=genitalstrap
19:31 trinque relevant logs thereafter
19:32 shinohai I tried, builds lovely filesystem, doesn't write it to .img
19:32 trinque er... yeah it does
19:32 trinque or how did you have the filesystem
19:32 trinque it mounts a loop device at "build"
19:32 shinohai yup it mounted device fine
19:32 danielpbarron doesn't that create the final thing? i'm trying to create the flash installer
19:32 trinque there's no "installer" for gentoo that I'm aware of
19:32 trinque the livecd is just another gentoo system
19:33 danielpbarron that's what i mean
19:33 danielpbarron livecd on flash drive
19:33 trinque yar, this will do that
19:33 trinque you need to change two things
19:33 trinque blank out the value for IMAGE and set BLKDEV to the device in /dev for your drive
19:34 trinque being careful of course that you have the right one...
19:35 trinque danielpbarron: the script is written to be read and edited to personal fit
19:37 danielpbarron gah, better off doing that straight to a hard drive i think
19:37 trinque either way.
19:37 trinque it uses genkernel, so it has the livecd's hardware detection
19:38 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51749 @ 0.00070217 = 36.3366 BTC [-] {3}
19:39 trinque VariaVarietatis: why do you need voice to read logs?
19:40 shinohai kek
19:40 BingoBoingo ^
19:41 trinque danielpbarron: lemme know how your experience goes; and shinohai I thought you had bad ram or something
19:42 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24678 @ 0.00072565 = 17.9076 BTC [+] {3}
19:42 Adlai congratulations alphabetmike and threeletteragencygavin, you've self-excommunicated me to the second foundation
19:42 Adlai so where do i begin with this bitcoin thing?
19:43 Adlai (or do i need to make a third foundation with ben_vulpes and trinque and phf and all the other lispers)
19:46 trinque I only know of one legitimate bitcoin foundation
19:47 trinque (ey satoshi, get in the WoT!)
19:47 thestringpuller Adlai: interesting...there is no lisp client that I can find.
19:48 * Adlai wrote his own secp256k1 group operations, isn't all the rest supposed to write itself?
19:48 trinque Adlai: did you make a shithub?
19:48 trinque I hear that site writes your code for you
19:48 Adlai sorta?
19:49 Adlai disclaimer: most of this code was written by some pseudonymous tardstalk mathemagician... https://github.com/adlai/bip0032sbcl
19:49 assbot adlai/bip0032sbcl · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jpu9lX )
19:49 * Adlai only [re]wrote secp256k1.lisp
19:50 trinque neat
19:52 trinque "base autism" << bwahaha wut
19:53 Adlai aha. what does the test test?
19:53 Adlai cf https://github.com/adlai/bip0032sbcl/blob/master/secp256k1.lisp#L65
19:53 assbot bip0032sbcl/secp256k1.lisp at master · adlai/bip0032sbcl · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1JgiGPk )
19:54 kakobrekla ;;ticker
19:54 gribble Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 204.25, Best ask: 175.84656934, Bid-ask spread: -28.40343, Last trade: 187.25, 24 hour volume: 50551.56244909, 24 hour low: 225.03, 24 hour high: 258.5, 24 hour vwap: None
19:54 mircea_popescu !up olol
19:54 mircea_popescu !up fkhan
19:54 Adlai !t m s.mpoe
19:54 assbot [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00069186 / 0.00072023 / 0.00076057 (2019005 shares, 1,454.16 BTC), 7D: 0.00057936 / 0.0006804 / 0.0007991 (12557623 shares, 8,544.23 BTC), 30D: 0.00049661 / 0.00057265 / 0.0007991 (83883070 shares, 48,036.33 BTC)
19:54 kakobrekla 175 on bfx
19:54 Adlai so close to breaking 80ksat :(
19:54 * BingoBoingo thinks BIP 14 user agent string when paired with therealbitcoin have serious potential for lulz
19:55 mircea_popescu <Adlai> so where do i begin with this bitcoin thing? << get stator/rotor going, is a start.
19:55 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: it's in the pipeline
19:55 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: atm tabled from lack of anyone asking for it
19:56 Adlai mircea_popescu: thank you, i have found this signal but there's so much noise. working my way through it, trolling a little on the side because trinque apparently skipped number theory class
19:56 mircea_popescu bid-ask spread NEGATIVE ?
19:56 mircea_popescu what the fuck lol
19:56 asciilifeform in other nyooz, 72 connections on dulap
19:56 asciilifeform need moar nodez!
19:56 mircea_popescu bitfinexoinica!
19:56 trinque Adlai: I'm over here reading your code, you cunt.
19:57 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Cool. It's one of those little pieces which seems to be holding up things like the getpeerinfo call. One of the things keeping my on my personal 0.7 fork. I find myself adjusting my user agent probably a couple times a week now for the chuckles
19:57 mircea_popescu ;;ticker
19:57 gribble Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 204.25, Best ask: 193.59607986, Bid-ask spread: -10.65392, Last trade: 180.17251972, 24 hour volume: 72150.16277429, 24 hour low: 162.0, 24 hour high: 258.5, 24 hour vwap: None
19:57 * Adlai gets that warm fuzzy feeling, like how you hit your elbow when somebody thinks of you, but geekier
19:57 trinque and I skipped all the classes, so you'll have to try harder than that.
19:57 BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all
19:57 mircea_popescu ;;ticker from some exchange that's not shit
19:57 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 223.71, vol: 15951.47102033 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 230.0, vol: 8456.85296 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 180.74439559, vol: 72150.16277429 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 244.99, vol: 46.91052349 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 231.160764, vol: 19158.45630000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 199.34967, vol: 682.84999191 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 231.7403, vol: 128.65959276 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message)
19:57 gribble (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitfinex. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure (1 more message)
19:57 BingoBoingo ;;more
19:57 gribble average: 198.673495278
19:57 Adlai trinque: sure but you probably got paper at the end
19:58 mircea_popescu so bitfinex finally does the thing it was supposed to to and "cause panic" ?
19:58 Adlai thus all the classes you skipped don't count and your deadbeat dropout status is revoked
19:58 mircea_popescu pity all the gunpowder's wet bois.
19:58 asciilifeform https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3hhiun/block_number_370434_first_block_with_a_version << ??
19:58 assbot Block number 370434. First block with a version greater than 3 : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1JpvtoU )
19:58 BingoBoingo Fuck, why couldn't potential fiat revenue stream actualize last month.
19:58 mircea_popescu asciilifeform didn't bingo run >9k version for a whiole ?
19:58 trinque Adlai: no, I skipped *all* the classes.
19:58 Adlai asciilifeform: doesn't slush lets any shmuck with a spondongle specify version numbers?
19:59 mircea_popescu Adlai right. redditards, "FIRST APPLE TREE!111 FOUND IT IN MY GARDEN!"
19:59 Adlai BingoBoingo: so you could realize losses for FY2015
19:59 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Client version not block version
19:59 mircea_popescu o
19:59 BingoBoingo Adlai: So I could add to the horde
20:00 Adlai what horde, i thought they were all lost in a tragic mining accident
20:00 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I'd have to mine to do block version.
20:00 BingoBoingo Adlai: Who knows anymore
20:00 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38950 @ 0.00073054 = 28.4545 BTC [+] {4}
20:00 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: first 'i-suck-hearn-cock' block mined
20:00 mircea_popescu anyway, the bitfinex + kraken thing is pretty memorable lol.
20:01 mircea_popescu exactly what that guy told satoshi the plan's gonna be, back on the original list in 2009. "they'll invent fake btc, trade it and it will "go down".
20:01 BingoBoingo !up EPiSKiNG-
20:01 asciilifeform invent fake btc, trade - same algo as with metals
20:01 mircea_popescu all the derps "buying" "cheap" bitcoin on the scams in question (bitfinex, kraken) remember : it's not yours until you send it to your offsite wallet.
20:01 Adlai "fake btc" -_-
20:01 mircea_popescu Adlai like mtgox btc./
20:01 Adlai fake btc (unlike the real thing) exists solely in the mind of its bagholders
20:02 asciilifeform entirely possible that sell flood of entirely genuine btc
20:02 Adlai mtgox were semifake, you could trade them about
20:02 mircea_popescu asciilifeform nah.
20:02 asciilifeform n00bs collective pant pissing
20:02 asciilifeform 'hearn finally killed'
20:02 Adlai actually yah, and it'd be the best thing to ever happen to btc
20:02 asciilifeform *killed us
20:02 mircea_popescu lol right.
20:02 Adlai (second to satoshi spending directly to mpex)
20:03 mircea_popescu how would that be great ? that'd be miserable.
20:03 Adlai ((without creating an account))
20:03 asciilifeform https://blockchain.info/block/00000000000000000174419fa2ba5003e123dbd97c6982aff1863f016b04789d
20:03 assbot Bitcoin Block #370434 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jpwg9a )
20:03 Adlai !rate asciilifeform -42 still uses blockchain.info
20:03 assbot Rating should be any non zero value between 10 and -10.
20:03 asciilifeform Adlai: what do you use ?
20:04 Adlai webbtc.com (or blocktrail.com for unconfirmed)
20:04 Adlai or better yet, a fucking node
20:04 trinque Adlai seems to be using the Erdos method re: mathematics
20:04 asciilifeform Adlai: your node puts txes in a graphical viewer thing ?
20:04 mircea_popescu yeah since the tools alf dropped nodes are actually much more usable for ths
20:04 asciilifeform ~could~ be usable
20:04 asciilifeform if someone wrote a tool
20:04 asciilifeform that ACTUALLY DOES WHAT bci does
20:05 BingoBoingo !b 4
20:05 assbot Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2EP77FW.txt )
20:05 asciilifeform and not 'aha yes equivalent'
20:05 mircea_popescu just dumping the block
20:05 BingoBoingo bci still runs version 7-ish
20:05 Adlai asciilifeform: please elaborate on exactly which "graphical viewer thing" bci does that no other explorer does
20:05 Adlai BingoBoingo: false, they run version j-ish
20:05 trinque stamp just popped back up to 234
20:05 BingoBoingo sure?
20:05 asciilifeform Adlai: for one thing, not being slow as fuck
20:06 asciilifeform (like both of the items you linked)
20:06 mircea_popescu trinque i for one am very curious how bitfinex is going to settle all the buyers.
20:06 BingoBoingo Anyways Adlai I thought you were J-ish
20:06 mircea_popescu kraken not so much, nobody uses the scammy pos
20:06 mircea_popescu but somehow a buncha derps failed to read the memo re bitfinex.
20:06 asciilifeform Adlai: for another thing, ACTUALLY SHOWING THE FUCKING VERSION
20:06 Adlai asciilifeform: tradeblock.com/blockchain
20:06 asciilifeform Adlai: 'webbtc.com' does NOT
20:06 mircea_popescu asciilifeform the version is in the block as spit out, what gfx do you need ?
20:06 Adlai webbtc.com uses ruby, it sucks, i know, i like them because they run scripts on demand
20:06 asciilifeform Adlai: where is the version !!
20:07 Adlai tx? block? node?
20:07 asciilifeform Adlai: blokc.
20:07 mircea_popescu block we're discussing
20:07 asciilifeform and i don't even see a list of blocks
20:07 asciilifeform srsly this is ~loathesome~ habit of open source folks, linking to a gimp when i need to take a photoshit
20:07 asciilifeform it is NOT THE SAME !!1111
20:07 asciilifeform don't lie and say 'same'.
20:07 trinque but how are we to in-group signal?
20:08 asciilifeform signal with farts.
20:08 mircea_popescu wait wut ?!
20:08 Adlai wow, webbtc really is slow right now
20:08 asciilifeform and yes, bci is a loathesome usg-operated item, sure.
20:09 asciilifeform but it won't die on account of anyone pretending that xyz five-minutes-of-perl piece of shit is 'equal'
20:09 * Adlai has yet to find an explorer, other than local-node-and-neurons, that provides http://webbtc.com/script/3617d2d6991ee2684eee12fca16fe041cde7eaceab527b855c014dbdae7a7731:0
20:09 assbot Bitcoin BlockBrowser - Debug Script Execution ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jgkd7Y )
20:09 * asciilifeform reveals, to no one's great surprise, that he is voicing years of frustration with the entire 'open src' world in this thread, not merely bci-replacements.
20:09 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> signal with farts. << If I understand Edgerouter and Pogo are "farts" that signal ingroup. GIMP is a shit that doesn't work by spz to signal ingroup?
20:09 asciilifeform Adlai: except i didn't ~need~ that
20:10 asciilifeform Adlai: i needed ~clickable block viewer that shows version~
20:10 Adlai well fuck me i'm here to give you what you don't need
20:11 * Adlai goes work on his http://www.dorodango.com/create.html
20:11 assbot dorodango | create ... ( http://bit.ly/1JgklV1 )
20:11 mircea_popescu a) dude wtf, gimp is the worst example for this, srsly ; b) your own block dump thing actually works for the purpose you discussed, chillax already ; c) there are all sorts of block explorers, yes. it'd be nice if one day someone makes the blockdump one we discussed but that's about it.
20:12 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it is actually the best example. of a proggy which naive folks suggest 'will do all the same things'
20:12 mircea_popescu that's not the suggestion. what's said is that gimp is like lisp : if what you want to do can't be done in gimp iot's because you're either stupid or stupid.
20:12 mircea_popescu ie, want to do something that shouldn't be done, or can't figure out how to find someone's pre-made lisp script
20:13 mircea_popescu (yes, gimp trivially works on lisp)
20:13 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: go and tell this to a pro artist who has a 14-bit pressure and gyroscopic sensor 'wacom' drawing tablet that pays his rent.
20:13 asciilifeform that does not work with gimp.
20:13 mircea_popescu it's current;ly the only practical application i (or ANYONE ELSE, given that eulora challenge) have for lisp
20:13 asciilifeform it or the 1,001 affine transform items it needs
20:13 mircea_popescu "artist" using "drawing tablet" is retarded by definition.
20:14 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i have yet to meet an actual pro or semi pro who draws with mice
20:14 asciilifeform or still draws with ink and scanner
20:14 mircea_popescu it is roughly the equivalent of a "really professional chess player" who plays chess in the dark and moving the pieces with his asshole.
20:14 asciilifeform mno
20:14 mircea_popescu isn't he elite!!1
20:14 asciilifeform that'd be the OTHERS
20:14 asciilifeform without tablet.
20:14 mircea_popescu mice ? wtf.
20:14 asciilifeform moving pieces with arse.
20:15 mircea_popescu you draw with the fucking pencil.
20:15 asciilifeform go vectorize that.
20:15 asciilifeform or what, vector does not exist, aha ?
20:15 asciilifeform all graphics are no larger than sheet of paper ?
20:15 asciilifeform or metre-tall pixels are ok on billboard
20:15 mircea_popescu so wait. "wacom doesn't work" is an objection to gimp,
20:15 mircea_popescu but "vector is hard" is an argument pro ps ?
20:15 asciilifeform it is for the man who doesn't program device drivers.
20:15 mircea_popescu how about backwards!
20:15 asciilifeform and you can't vectorize a pencil
20:15 asciilifeform not via machine anyway
20:16 mircea_popescu fact that wacom doesn't work with software means you can go fuck it, and fact that vectors are hard means you're still better off with gimp
20:16 mircea_popescu at least you can SCRIPT IT
20:16 asciilifeform the man who can program in scheme, can script it.
20:16 mircea_popescu the man who can't hires one.
20:16 asciilifeform and the artsy fella ?
20:16 asciilifeform hires, l0l
20:16 asciilifeform on artist's wages ?
20:16 mircea_popescu so your artist IS retarded after all.
20:16 asciilifeform of course.
20:17 mircea_popescu not only he spent his money on something thar doesn't work
20:17 mircea_popescu but it was his last money, too.
20:17 asciilifeform i can already picture the conversation:
20:18 asciilifeform cabbie: 'this ford is a piece of shit. stalled again.' mircea_popescu: 'i have a solution!' cabbie: 'oh???111' mircea_popescu: 'here, have this broomstick.' cabbie: 'how do i drive customers on that, feed my family' mircea_popescu: 'you misunderstand, my good man. you stuff it in your arse.' cabbie: 'and... how does this feed by family?' mircea_popescu: 'no, you sit there with it in.'
20:19 asciilifeform before anyone laughs, this approach has much to recommend it
20:19 asciilifeform and in fact is sop in 'open source' world
20:19 asciilifeform when dealing with civilians.
20:19 trinque too late, laughed.
20:19 mircea_popescu get the fuck outta here omfg!
20:19 asciilifeform dollars to doughnuts everybody here has applied precisely this formula, and in fact no other is known.
20:20 BingoBoingo !b 8
20:20 assbot Last 8 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/33021HJ.txt )
20:20 mircea_popescu i call bullshit. brb while i prove it.
20:20 trinque I mean to be fair, what the man's saying is that gimp has a scripting layer
20:20 trinque makes total sense
20:20 trinque jack your wacom into that or what?
20:20 asciilifeform it does!
20:20 asciilifeform lovely scripting layer, too
20:20 asciilifeform and for all i know, somebody ported wacom to it in last 7 or what years since i last cared
20:21 mircea_popescu so basically you admit you got nothing.
20:21 mircea_popescu good, saves me from fishing out that file setting up a challenge.
20:21 * BingoBoingo still arts with oil paints
20:21 asciilifeform can find other hardware that is pro sop and not supported by any reasonable open package
20:21 mircea_popescu YOU CAN FIND A FUYCKING BROOM
20:21 asciilifeform e.g., laboratory robotics
20:21 mircea_popescu hardware that doesn't work doesn't work
20:21 asciilifeform no open anything.
20:22 mircea_popescu this is not to be excused in software.
20:22 mircea_popescu wtf bs is this!
20:22 asciilifeform hardware without which job isn't done - must work. even if operator has to fellate obama.
20:22 asciilifeform which - he will.
20:22 mircea_popescu no.
20:22 asciilifeform or changes jobs
20:22 asciilifeform (as i did)
20:22 mircea_popescu no bad piece of hardware is required by anyone but idiots.
20:22 mircea_popescu period and full fucking stop, there isn't even what to discuss here.
20:22 mircea_popescu all that can be done is repeating nonsense reddit style.
20:22 mircea_popescu "oh noes, how about cabbie". pshhhh
20:22 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i'll bite. find me a mass spectrometer with fully open specs
20:23 asciilifeform or for that matter, GPU!
20:23 asciilifeform eulora.
20:23 Adlai penny for an emacs client?
20:23 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=29-07-2015#1216134
20:23 assbot Logged on 29-07-2015 04:41:23; mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i dun think it currently is possible to have an open source graphical anything.
20:23 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3542 @ 0.00071853 = 2.545 BTC [-]
20:23 mircea_popescu this is still not a "ps is good" thing.
20:23 asciilifeform and yes, ~we~ know why this is so. but civilian does not, and blames 'crappy open crap'
20:24 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: not good thing. but it is a jail
20:24 mircea_popescu completely ungermane spurious argument is orthogonal!
20:24 mircea_popescu da fuck do i care what jwz blames.
20:24 mircea_popescu "oh i really just want my computer to just work hurr"
20:24 asciilifeform pointing out that this is not one of those jails which disappears if you stop believing in it
20:24 asciilifeform and yes, they do.
20:24 mircea_popescu has nothing to do with belief.
20:25 mircea_popescu ps turns out, without excewption, in all cases, inferior work, BECAUSE IT SUCKS. it. irretrievably, it ruins work.
20:25 asciilifeform they want their spectrometer/chromatograph/triaxial robot/etc/... to work.
20:25 mircea_popescu and has, for 10-15 years now.
20:25 mircea_popescu claiming otherwise because you got your sexual advances turned down by a mass spectrometer is nuts.
20:25 trinque relatedly, I have a 1 for relaxedman when he comes back. I yelled at him to *read* his way through snags with gentoo, and he did!
20:25 mircea_popescu neither jwz nor mass spectrometers nor anything else has any bearing here.
20:25 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it sure does suck. like most of the turdalicious offerings. but it is a mistake to suppose that folks use it on account of not having been woken up to the existing alternative
20:25 mircea_popescu not in THIS case
20:26 mircea_popescu which is why i said it's the worst example you could have come up with
20:26 trinque did not bitch "oh but it didn't work out of the box"
20:26 * asciilifeform may be missing something here
20:26 mircea_popescu in the ps-gimp case, the only reason is strictly user being an imbecile.
20:26 mircea_popescu yeah, you're missing the something where gimp is pretty much the only foss success in the actual marketplace.
20:26 mircea_popescu ie, it saves man-hours. many. many many man hours.
20:26 mircea_popescu that and fucking blender.
20:26 asciilifeform blender, incidentally, was ransomed.
20:26 mircea_popescu myeah.
20:27 asciilifeform possibly the greatest antisuccess, from that pov.
20:27 mircea_popescu being run by a bunch of incredibly idiotic idiots, yes. but still.
20:27 asciilifeform in that it began life as an ordinary commercial package, written by folks who worked for a living
20:27 mircea_popescu the software itself is os, and it does work.
20:27 asciilifeform is today, yes.
20:27 mircea_popescu this is what we're discussing
20:27 asciilifeform was ransomed, for, iirc, 800K usd.
20:27 * asciilifeform does not use blender with any regularity and cannot comment further
20:28 mircea_popescu i don'trecall, but maybe cvut a digit. anyway, hgow is this related ?
20:28 asciilifeform related in the sense that it is not 'ethnically open source'
20:28 mircea_popescu ...
20:28 asciilifeform was born under conditions that are not available in the 'open source' world.
20:28 mircea_popescu and you're not ethnically a programmer.
20:28 mircea_popescu wtf nonsense is this.
20:28 asciilifeform in precisely that sense
20:29 mircea_popescu there isn't a nation called "Programmer".
20:29 asciilifeform there almost is, and it is the one pictured in sebastian brandt's 'ship of fools'
20:29 asciilifeform (mega-b00k, recommended to all)
20:29 BingoBoingo <trinque> relatedly, I have a 1 for relaxedman when he comes back. I yelled at him to *read* his way through snags with gentoo, and he did! << Promised the same for OpenBSD, but...
20:30 trinque can't speak to that, but the guy got himself booted, through X and a DE, so I can dig that.
20:30 mircea_popescu anyway. yes usg can be rejected just by rejecting it. no, there aren't places where this actually hurts one. yes if one perceives to be hurt it's because one did something stupid in the past he'll have to undo. no this isn't anyone else's problem and no this calls for no sympathy.
20:31 asciilifeform this is entirely true
20:31 asciilifeform but the 'stupid move' can be - the choice of profession.
20:31 mircea_popescu only if the "profession" is saomethiong like "pop star",
20:31 mircea_popescu ie, not a profession.
20:31 asciilifeform or vector artist.
20:31 mircea_popescu mno.
20:31 asciilifeform or spectrometer user.
20:31 mircea_popescu neither.
20:32 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: be so kind as to describe what the mass spec user ought to be doing
20:32 mircea_popescu and don't start with "gimme free stuff in very ellaborate detail of compelx usage".
20:32 asciilifeform to escape from shitblows
20:32 mircea_popescu buy spectrometer, 2nd hand. reverse it or pay for it be reversed. run it on sane computer.
20:32 asciilifeform let's work this gedankenexample?
20:32 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: and pay to have sane computer produced ?
20:32 mircea_popescu useful life of the tool is 30 years +, so. you get to "break it in" for a few months first.
20:33 mircea_popescu a "sane-indistinct" computer can be had for the task as defined, out of shelf parts.
20:33 asciilifeform mircea_popescu perhaps did not think that usg could be any moar retarded than it looks already, but here is a mega-secret: a great many (most?) u.s. laboratories have personnel empowered to purchase materiel (e.g., spectrometer) but not ever hire anyone.
20:34 asciilifeform hence no reverser.
20:34 mircea_popescu i do nopt care about the problems of tribes in africa.
20:34 mircea_popescu why do you ?
20:34 asciilifeform except when one appears by accident (as my old job)
20:34 asciilifeform because i live there.
20:34 mircea_popescu move.
20:34 mircea_popescu africa is not something that can be fixed. it's what the word "africa" means.
20:34 asciilifeform [insert link to 1,001 pertinent threads here]
20:34 mircea_popescu "broken beyond repair" in african.
20:35 asciilifeform ^^
20:35 asciilifeform !b 4
20:35 assbot Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/24K3JSP.txt )
20:36 * asciilifeform is not presently at all convinced that non-africa piece of the planet needs him for anything
20:36 * asciilifeform or at least anything involving mass spectrometers, rather than knife sharpeners
20:36 mircea_popescu i imagine poor alf mother was in it for a 3 week labour
20:36 asciilifeform l0l
20:36 mircea_popescu until they could convince the infant that indeed he is "needed" outside.
20:36 mircea_popescu because that's the criteria nao.
20:38 asciilifeform 'every sperm is wanted! every sperm is good. every sperm is needed! in your neighbourhood!' (tm) (r) (montypython)
20:38 mircea_popescu anyway, i can appreciate the part where usg is there to give money to "compensate" the retarded kids that didn't reverse their spectrometer and so ended up with X loss tjhrough any of thbe multiple avenues. and i can appreciate how this makes lazy people manifest thjeir lazy.
20:39 asciilifeform well yes, this is the pons asinorum of why microshit is even a thing
20:39 mircea_popescu but this is not your concern!
20:39 mircea_popescu you don't do the right things TO be paid. you do them BECAUSE they're the right things.
20:39 asciilifeform when it was my concern, i sat and reversed.
20:39 asciilifeform and yes, Right Thing.
20:39 mircea_popescu yes the world should work correctly. but whether it does or does not is not your fucking problem.
20:39 asciilifeform precisely that.
20:40 asciilifeform but it ~is~ my problem when the sword is over my personal neck.
20:40 mircea_popescu because why, you'll die anyway.
20:40 asciilifeform 'die another day' (tm)
20:40 mircea_popescu if you die you sleep ad libitum, alfie.
20:40 asciilifeform mm
20:40 trinque !b 3
20:40 assbot Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/25NF31V.txt )
20:40 trinque aw, missed
20:41 asciilifeform ;;later tell BingoBoingo if you write a patch for the verson string thing, i'll read it!
20:41 gribble The operation succeeded.
20:42 Adlai sleep ad libitum, but perchance - dream
20:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100215 @ 0.00073235 = 73.3925 BTC [+] {5}
20:43 mircea_popescu "and through reversing, end them ?"
20:44 Adlai indeed, bitcoin is only worth anything because it's maximally irreversible
20:45 Adlai !v assbot:Adlai.rate.mircea_popescu.2:1feac6383761210b4d44f65b92583e1a4f173ca424045f61b09c86fbdc378dab
20:46 assbot Successfully updated the rating for mircea_popescu from 1 to 2 with note: speare shaker
20:46 mircea_popescu o.O
20:46 trinque did nobody get my erdos meth joke?
20:46 trinque sad day
20:46 mircea_popescu i did not!
20:46 trinque haha
20:46 mircea_popescu <trinque> Adlai seems to be using the Erdos method re: mathematics < ?
20:47 asciilifeform trinque: as far as is publicly known, erdos took dextroamphetamine rather than meth
20:47 asciilifeform !up Bingo_VACAY
20:47 trinque mircea_popescu: haha that was the one
20:47 trinque asciilifeform: ah, my mistake
20:47 Bingo_VACAY Knocked offline weather
20:47 mircea_popescu you'll have to explain it to me.
20:47 asciilifeform trinque: to be fair, i was not there, heard secondhand
20:48 Bingo_VACAY I need moar batteries
20:48 trinque mircea_popescu: fella just seemed excited
20:48 mircea_popescu don't quit the dayjob eh.
20:48 Adlai deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/29GT0N5.txt
20:49 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1E45y3N )
20:49 deedbot- accepted: 1
20:50 danielpbarron trinque, your script references a .tar.bz2 file that no longer exists, and it assumes I already have the gpg public key that signed the digest file
20:50 Adlai trinque: if "erdos method" means hopped up on speed couchsurfing through the wot, i'd be honored but a little overplaying my character
20:50 trinque yar, in the subsequent logs there's mention that it needs to be changed to the latest stage3
20:50 trinque Adlai: twas just an idle joke sir
20:50 Adlai but someday!
20:51 * trinque also enjoys the latest deed
20:51 Adlai all this requires is that a sufficient percentage of the wot settle in harm-reducing jurisdictia
20:51 trinque this being which?
20:52 Adlai which this being which what?
20:52 trinque whaaha
20:52 Bingo_VACAY Someday I won't irc on 3g because Thor decided to be a USG bitch
20:52 * trinque departs for a bit
20:52 Adlai get some sleep trinque, your antecedents are out of contrel
20:54 trinque danielpbarron: yours + 2 is my response, might've gotten overlooked
21:01 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i'm kinda curious on what planet it is sop to have the mass spectrometer reversed and enlinuxed. because i'd like to move to that planet. instead of here, where, as of five minutes ago, my mailbox was NOT deluged with offers of vast riches (or even paid rent) for reversing laboratory instruments.
21:02 mircea_popescu no meatwot eh ? :)
21:02 asciilifeform on the planet where i live, owners of such items suck usg cock, WITHOUT EXCEPTION
21:02 asciilifeform i dun think this particular wot exists.
21:02 mircea_popescu meta nsa no more ?
21:02 asciilifeform or at least it creates no evidence of its existence
21:02 asciilifeform meta nsa makes own spectrometer.
21:02 asciilifeform out of pure thought.
21:02 mircea_popescu i c
21:03 asciilifeform or, more realistic, when really needs an 'open' instrument, hires away the designer
21:05 mircea_popescu one "really needs" an open instrument like one really needs a trustworthy wife.
21:05 mircea_popescu all the time without exception.
21:07 * Adlai thinks asciilifeform's attitude is only correct in the pre-scarcity world
21:07 Adlai someday all the designers will be dead, and all the instruments rusted
21:07 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: with instruments, it is more of 'do you want the crack whore who fucks 10,001 sailors monthly or the standard whore who fucks 101 engineers'
21:08 asciilifeform Adlai: i already live in the world where designers are (largely) dead and the instruments are getting only more rusted
21:08 mircea_popescu yet magically no one's trying to do anything. somehow.
21:08 * asciilifeform has been known to.
21:09 mircea_popescu incidentally asciilifeform often times i look around at this retarded place and i feel i live in the future us.
21:09 mircea_popescu it's very instructive.
21:09 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: y'know, future us, past us, all the same from the dirigible, no ?
21:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54200 @ 0.00072323 = 39.1991 BTC [-]
21:09 mircea_popescu the precious little they do right, they do by thoughtlessly following tradition.
21:09 mircea_popescu everything else ... it's beyond words.
21:09 asciilifeform as with any pesthole
21:09 mircea_popescu nah, i'd love a future us atm.
21:09 asciilifeform iirc uncle al described it as 'running on fumes'
21:09 mircea_popescu quite exactly.
21:10 asciilifeform and yet, my phone did not ring today, with argentinian master of spectrometer who wants linuxification
21:11 asciilifeform nor is the firm where i work deluged with argentinian inquiries re: samples of virii
21:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 203508 @ 0.00072323 = 147.1831 BTC [-]
21:11 mircea_popescu i would be much surprised if there's an argentinian who even knows what to do wit hone.
21:11 asciilifeform so no r&d.
21:11 mircea_popescu except, of course, for the obvious : TAKE FACEBOOK PICTUREWS NEXT TO IT!
21:11 mircea_popescu no r&d ? no secondary education.
21:12 asciilifeform thing is, this largely describes the u.s.
21:12 mircea_popescu quite.
21:12 asciilifeform but in the entire thing there is, dissolved, the equivalent of maybe 2 or 3 soviet 'postbox' r&d towns
21:12 asciilifeform i kinda assumed this is also true in ar.
21:12 mircea_popescu maybe there. not here.
21:12 mircea_popescu here "r&d" is xapo.
21:12 * asciilifeform retches
21:12 mircea_popescu the peak of it, at any rate.
21:13 * asciilifeform recalling the story with peron and the jet plane
21:13 mircea_popescu absent another ww they can sit neutral around, they're so fucked zimbabwe looks promising.
21:13 asciilifeform ;;google kurt tank
21:13 gribble Kurt Tank - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Tank>; Focke-Wulf Ta 152 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focke-Wulf_Ta_152>; Kurt Tank | biography - German aircraft designer and test pilot ...: <http://www.britannica.com/biography/Kurt-Tank>
21:16 asciilifeform http://bitcoinist.net/bitcoin-price-crashes-amid-perceived-network-disagreement-block-size << lulzy filipinotronics
21:16 assbot Bitcoin Price Crashes amid Perceived Network Disagreement over Block Size - Bitcoinist.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1E47U2k )
21:17 mircea_popescu it's all they got to show for a lot of expenditure.
21:18 mircea_popescu let teh poor ppls enjoy.
21:18 * mircea_popescu still can't wait to see how the bitfinex settlement's gonna work
21:19 BingoBoingo http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-08-2015#1243257 << I may give it a go. Would likely need polishing. Thankfully not that big a gap between first BIP 14 strings and therealBitcoin
21:19 assbot Logged on 19-08-2015 00:41:43; asciilifeform: ;;later tell BingoBoingo if you write a patch for the verson string thing, i'll read it!
21:19 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: remember to use vdiff.sh
21:20 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I never had the original diff learned so it should be interesting
21:20 mircea_popescu exciting
21:21 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: takes two args, directories a and b, and shits out diff to stdout
21:27 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> http://bitcoinist.net/bitcoin-price-crashes-amid-perceived-network-disagreement-block-size << lulzy filipinotronics <<<< Written by: Caleb Chen << used to run the CCN shithole. I'm not convince these are separate concerns
21:27 assbot Bitcoin Price Crashes amid Perceived Network Disagreement over Block Size - Bitcoinist.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1E47U2k )
21:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55464 @ 0.0007179 = 39.8176 BTC [-]
21:28 BingoBoingo Related filipenis https://voat.co/v/bitcoin/comments/427198
21:28 assbot Checking your bits ... ( http://bit.ly/1E49b9K )
21:29 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37678 @ 0.0007179 = 27.049 BTC [-]
21:34 BingoBoingo I'm just amazed how much of 2011 and 2012 the Filipenis is bringing back
21:43 BingoBoingo "GeneralLee" is sync'd on home connection again after weather event
21:47 BingoBoingo !up Vexual
21:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 107361 @ 0.00073155 = 78.5399 BTC [+] {3}
22:00 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo basically, their bitfinex broom fired. the once it gets to fire.
22:00 mircea_popescu who the fuck will still use it after this... god knows they were making up most of the volume anyway.
22:01 BingoBoingo Maybe it is a Mosin, they could have a whole nother 4 to fire
22:01 BingoBoingo 2nd or 3rd though prolly get that persistent Gox disconnect
22:01 mircea_popescu i dunno who actually possessed of the least bitcoin interest would still use it after this.
22:01 mircea_popescu but that aside, there still is the issue of settlement on the fake btc they sold < 200.
22:02 mircea_popescu who's gonna pay, gavin ?
22:03 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> i dunno who actually possessed of the least bitcoin interest would still use it after this. << AMeriPhillipenis
22:03 mircea_popescu right.
22:03 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> but that aside, there still is the issue of settlement on the fake btc they sold < 200. << Like Gox they hope noone ever withdraws
22:03 mircea_popescu for all i care the dept of hernia can keep on doing this 300k donation programme to people who've took an obvious shot at 10:1 leverage untill they fall over.
22:03 mircea_popescu they'd get better roi by buying adwords or something, but hey.
22:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35000 @ 0.00073505 = 25.7268 BTC [+] {3}
22:13 BingoBoingo Well, reddit didn't do it
22:13 scoopbot_revived Coinwallet Plans Spam While the Spamming is Cheap http://qntra.net/2015/08/coinwallet-plans-spam-while-the-spamming-is-cheap/
22:19 mircea_popescu lol speaking of bitfines, anyone rememeber "picostocks/100th" anymore ?
22:19 BingoBoingo Of course.
22:19 BingoBoingo One of the early places I spotted Hanbot eating souls
22:20 BingoBoingo "Five Year Old Foot Longs" >> http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/08/18/former_subway_spokesman_jared_fogle_reportedly_will_plead_guilty_to_child.html
22:20 assbot Former Subway spokesman Jared Fogle reportedly will plead guilty to child porn charges. ... ( http://bit.ly/1NDYcE8 )
22:23 mircea_popescu ;;ticker
22:23 gribble Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 235.66, Best ask: 235.95, Bid-ask spread: 0.29000, Last trade: 235.72, 24 hour volume: 124974.00784124, 24 hour low: 162.0, 24 hour high: 258.18, 24 hour vwap: None
22:23 mircea_popescu heh.
22:24 BingoBoingo Also, apparently how Qntra climbed from 250,000 to 50,000th place in US traffic while visits slowed http://www.slate.com/blogs/business_insider/2015/08/18/new_york_times_daily_mail_bbc_buzzfeed_why_did_web_traffic_for_world_s_biggest.html
22:24 assbot New York Times, Daily Mail, BBC, BuzzFeed: Why did web traffic for world's biggest publishers drop in April? ... ( http://bit.ly/1E4e2b2 )
22:25 mircea_popescu heh.
22:25 mircea_popescu it's an alrogithm
22:26 BingoBoingo Of course
22:27 mats it falls
22:27 thestringpuller ;;nethash
22:27 gribble 371977103.291
22:27 BingoBoingo Still a relative increase of 200,000 places on a traffic decling, not bad. Glad fartbook was ignored
22:28 mats im even moar poor than b4
22:29 BingoBoingo I am always both poorer and richer than I have ever been before
22:31 * trinque is eagerly waiting at the sidelines
22:31 trinque FALL MOAR
22:31 BingoBoingo trinque: No, stay up and fall once I have fiat
22:37 danielpbarron i got the iso to boot from a flash drive using something called unetbootin
22:38 thestringpuller the netbooter?
22:38 thestringpuller doesn' tthat thing make a bootstick of any linux?
22:39 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80500 @ 0.00070304 = 56.5947 BTC [-] {4}
22:41 danielpbarron ya
22:48 * asciilifeform would like to know - but does not expect mircea_popescu to say - why mircea_popescu believes the 'cheap' coinz are fictional, rather than panic-sold by the usual folks
22:48 mircea_popescu crossed wire.
22:48 asciilifeform c0sm1c rayz!
22:48 mircea_popescu no. you understand what this means ?
22:48 BingoBoingo Not the first time
22:48 mircea_popescu normally the price goes 10 / 11
22:48 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: apparently not?
22:48 mircea_popescu when the price goes 10 / 7 it is because the people selling the fake btc do no wish to run their meagre offering into the bids of 10
22:49 mircea_popescu so they fix the "exchange" to not serve bids anymore.
22:49 asciilifeform but serve some, for show ?
22:50 mircea_popescu yes.
22:50 mircea_popescu so as to get the fraudulent price signal out
22:50 mircea_popescu so that maybe others panic.
22:50 asciilifeform shake loose what is not bolted down well, sure.
22:50 mircea_popescu and i expect a sec investigation into bitfinex post haste.
22:50 mircea_popescu unless the sec particularly wants me to run an investigation into IT.,
22:51 asciilifeform 10 / 7 is sufficient evidence for this hypothesis? and bitfinex alone originates this gambit ?
22:51 mircea_popescu with the caveat that i run my investigations with people hanging by butcher hooks.
22:51 mircea_popescu asciilifeform it is, yes.
22:51 scoopbot_revived So the broomstick fired. http://trilema.com/2015/so-the-broomstick-fired/
22:51 mircea_popescu that never happens naturally. you gotta do it, much like "bullet shaped hole in head" is proof someone was shot.
22:51 asciilifeform stimulatingly goxian
22:51 mircea_popescu it's not "a tumor"
22:52 asciilifeform waitasec
22:52 asciilifeform Bid-ask spread: -28.40343 >> isn't that convertible to an arse-mouth system ?
22:52 mircea_popescu doh.
22:52 asciilifeform what prevents this ?
22:52 mircea_popescu see ?
22:53 asciilifeform anyone connect the hose yet?
22:53 mircea_popescu yes. they got shook to the tune of 5-10mn for their sins.
22:53 mircea_popescu and i don't expect them to pay, either.
22:54 * asciilifeform brain melts
22:54 mircea_popescu ;;google this is what desperation looks like.
22:54 gribble People Are Desperate To See What Jennifer Aniston's Wedding ...: <http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/not-jennifer-anistons-wedding-dress_55d1e3e3e4b055a6dab0bbb0>; Marriage equality opponents show what desperation looks like: <http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/06/24/1396082/-Marriage-equality-opponents-show-what-desperation-looks-like>; Now we know what desperation looks like (1 more message)
22:54 mircea_popescu derp. google, learn to serve trilema.
22:54 asciilifeform why would anybody ~do~ that
22:55 mircea_popescu running out of options.
22:55 asciilifeform is this basically a usg equivalent of letting the screwdriver slip and the plutonium hemispheres fall ?
22:55 mircea_popescu yes, provided the population is cockroaches. they expect no negative effects past you know, being more braindamaged than before.w
22:58 * asciilifeform has hard time picturing anyone but a 'bitfinex' insider walking away with those (partially imaginary) arse-mouth-extracted coinz
22:58 asciilifeform said insider being the usg shadow of the org in question
22:58 asciilifeform as with gox
22:59 asciilifeform shadow leaves, takes what there is to take, like the old picture of soul leaving a body
23:00 * BingoBoingo would not be surprised if fiat based exchanges report higher than $317/BTC before September 5th
23:00 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: $10. but available as jam-tomorrow victory bondz from usg, naturally.
23:00 asciilifeform in point of fact i am rather surprised that this is not yet a thing
23:01 asciilifeform (at least not publicly)
23:01 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Nah, I'm feeling this prediction straight from my friends the testicles
23:03 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: If this winter made anything clear even USD promise anal rings can't sustain sub $200 BTC
23:03 * asciilifeform has no idea how much sustain-juice is in that tank
23:03 asciilifeform could be litre, could be ocean.
23:04 BingoBoingo No more than Water Buffalo ~400 gallons
23:04 BingoBoingo Reported rates this low always required a Gox
23:05 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: didja miss the part in the thread where it becomes known that someone let slip a wrong button and gave out $int coins for phree ?
23:06 hanbot qntra article cooking in BingoBoingo?
23:06 asciilifeform (rather, paying folks to take'em ?)
23:06 BingoBoingo Of course. Satoshi did the same 2009-Spring 2011
23:06 BingoBoingo hanbot: At least 8 hours from nao
23:07 hanbot water buffalo gestation!
23:07 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: when i think of water buffalo, i always think of: http://cds.library.brown.edu/projects/WritingVietnam/readings/tob_true_war.html
23:07 assbot Writing Vietnam - Readings: T. O' Brien ... ( http://bit.ly/1TThIOS )
23:08 asciilifeform (first excerpt on page)
23:09 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I was refering more to the GI wiLCVfkaLx
23:09 asciilifeform !s wiLCVfkaLx
23:09 assbot 0 results for 'wiLCVfkaLx' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=wiLCVfkaLx
23:10 BingoBoingo www.ebay.com/itm/like/181815242494?ul_noapp=true&chn=ps&lpid=82wiLCVfkaLx
23:11 BingoBoingo http://www.armyproperty.com/Equipment-Info/Pictures/Water-Buffalo.jpg
23:11 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1TTi3B6 )
23:19 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3603 @ 0.00073536 = 2.6495 BTC [+]
23:20 asciilifeform https://cryptome.org/2015/08/att-start-nsa.htm << l0ltr0nic
23:20 assbot Start of ATT Collaboration with NSA ... ( http://bit.ly/1TTj0JA )
23:20 asciilifeform 'Due to the ECI relationship, the technicians for AT&T had to possess a Top Secret security clearance to actually just access the fiber, because they might "accidentally" discover the tap, or discover data being diverted out of the fiber optic multiplexers. By the way, "ECI" means that the company is given a code name to conceal their involvement in illegal activities. For example, AT&T has a code name, MCI has a code name, Sp
23:20 asciilifeform rint has one, and so on. The ECI codename for AT&T is "FAIRVIEW" and also US-990, but pay attention to the US-990 SIGAD code and it tends to indicate when a code and alias was initiated. US-990 dates from the day AT&T was broken up. On that date, each of the "baby bells" was given a ECI codename and SIGAD code name in the manner of that of AT&T.'
23:25 mircea_popescu asciilifeform unlike http://trilema.com/2012/icbitse-the-bucket-shop/ et al, they didn't have the presence of mind to actually stop new orders.
23:25 assbot Icbit.se, the bucket shop on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1TTjDml )
23:25 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30050 @ 0.0007397 = 22.228 BTC [+] {2}
23:25 mircea_popescu some actual users must have put orders in.
23:25 mircea_popescu but yes, incredibly flaky execution, that's fo sho.
~ 16 minutes ~
23:42 BingoBoingo !up Jrum
23:42 BingoBoingo !up ericp4
23:44 asciilifeform 'As each fiber optic company sought a new undersea cable landing license from the FCC they were required by the NSA to enter into a classified contract with the NSA for TWO access point for each undersea cable. The first access point had to be right at the optical multiplexer which duplicated the optical pulse into the undersea cable, and then a second into a fiber optic cable that fed NSA gear. Then, behind the multiplexer an
23:44 asciilifeform d the switching systems a second access point where the signals exited the cable station to enter the AT&T, Sprint, MCI, etc backbones.'
23:47 asciilifeform (whole thing recommended reading)
23:51 BingoBoingo So moving GeneralLee to port 8333 I've noticed it throws a lot more non-killing errors related to SPV nodes asking it for information with bloom filters, or at least I think that is what the errors are
23:51 * BingoBoingo needs to trap one in the wild
23:52 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: GetCommand() : type=3 unknown type in ProcessMessage() ?
23:52 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Exactly
23:52 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: harmless. and your description is correct.
23:52 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Only 4 in the past 18 hours
23:53 BingoBoingo So SPV, not even that popular
23:53 asciilifeform this, too, is fit subject for a patch;
23:53 asciilifeform no reason to clog the exception collector with this crud
23:53 BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/2015/08/coinwallet-plans-spam-while-the-spamming-is-cheap/#comment-43287
23:53 assbot Coinwallet Plans Spam While the Spamming is Cheap | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1TTmEmV )
23:54 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> no reason to clog the exception collector with this crud << Tagged as Africa
23:55 hanbot https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3hjceh/dont_let_bitfinex_scam_you/cu7v9hg lol
23:55 assbot altctrlcrit comments on Don't let Bitfinex scam you. ... ( http://bit.ly/1TTmQSU )
23:57 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> this, too, is fit subject for a patch; << I imagine orphanage stomping patches will be joined with "Fuck off out of my kitchen" set
23:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1540 @ 0.0007355 = 1.1327 BTC [-]
23:58 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: it falls squarely into the 'wouldn't it be nice' set of patches, rather than 'must have yesterday' set
23:58 asciilifeform and therefore i will not be writing it any time soon.
23:58 asciilifeform but you can!
23:59 BingoBoingo Of course. Much as it would be nice to supplement "GeneralLee" on home connection with "GeneralQuantrill" seed and relay slut node on colo eventually.
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