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00:00 asciilifeform 'All this was in part spawned by a long going if little voiced thread in #b-a on the topic of "how can PGP folk be this fucking retarded. Sort-of like the colonial European's expectation that someone firing a weapon necessarily speaks French, or Spanish, or English, or some sort of civilised language also. Because otherwise... where did they get the human weapon! Goblins don't craft weapons.' << YES!
00:00 asciilifeform ^^ mircea_popescu winz. ^^
00:00 mircea_popescu shit i stepped away for a second and i got way behind
00:01 * asciilifeform while mircea_popescu was out, was in the middle of finally writing the motherfucking broadcast but paused to post the mempool guillotine
00:01 asciilifeform which has been up the sleeve for too long
00:01 asciilifeform ought to be tried by somebody.
00:02 mircea_popescu aha
00:02 asciilifeform (and yes, i test'em before posting, but i mean here ~really~ test!)
00:02 asciilifeform like, on live goats
00:03 mircea_popescu poor goats.
00:03 asciilifeform also ok to use live lusers
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00:04 mircea_popescu incidentally, it's quite obvious that the b-a conversations consist of both spoken and silent dialogue
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00:04 mircea_popescu or i should expect it;s obvious
00:04 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> also ok to use live lusers << Pull request to Bitcoin Core GitRub?
00:04 asciilifeform how could be otherwise !
00:04 mircea_popescu ikr?
00:04 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: where to get'em is b/w you and the godz
00:04 mircea_popescu the godz of metal.
00:04 asciilifeform aha
00:05 asciilifeform 'the gods of the copybook headings' (tm) (r) (kipling!)
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00:05 asciilifeform >> http://www.kiplingsociety.co.uk/poems_copybook.htm <<
00:05 assbot Poems - 'The Gods of the Copybook Headings' ... ( http://bit.ly/1IIOaBE )
00:05 BingoBoingo https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-2vsi2B8F0R8/VbRFXBfZSSI/AAAAAAAAEhA/WJN0RBxajnI/s1600/Panic%2BRoom%2BBar%2BRescue.jpg
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00:05 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1IIOccQ )
00:06 mircea_popescu asciilifeform ftr, everyone worth talking to is in point of fact +ev in prisno.
00:07 mircea_popescu talk to someone who's ever done any time. there's a ton of mexicans doing time in us prisons to make money for their family bacvk home.
00:07 asciilifeform that's only +ev if $1/day is money somewhere you come from
00:08 mircea_popescu actually i would guess currently the earned income this way is about 12-15kish a year.
00:08 mircea_popescu liquid tho.
00:09 asciilifeform see also the other 'jail', http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=04-05-2015#1119753
00:09 assbot Logged on 04-05-2015 18:55:44; ascii_field: not even chumps, as such - many of these folks (i usedto work with'em) are laughing all the way to the bank, riding the thermodynamic waterfall between usd salary and cn cost of living
00:10 asciilifeform 'In the Carboniferous Epoch we were promised abundance for all,
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00:10 asciilifeform By robbing selected Peter to pay for collective Paul;
00:10 asciilifeform But, though we had plenty of money, there was nothing our money could buy,
00:10 asciilifeform And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: "If you don't work you die."'
00:11 mircea_popescu decimation they';re not capable of it. there's this very insistently nursed delusion among white useless usians that somehow some types of work are "below" them in the sense that OF COURSE they could do it. not so. alf has it : fuck you for "being able to" put the fries in the frier once. do it every day forever.
00:12 mircea_popescu so no. they are not capable, of any kind of work.
00:12 mircea_popescu not capable of intellectual work because not smart enough.
00:12 mircea_popescu not capable of labour because not patient enough.
00:12 mircea_popescu the only work they're capable of is reddit shitslinging, and there's a ton of dudes doin that cheaper and better already. easily 100x what's needed anyway.
00:13 mircea_popescu also - programmer is not a craftsman. "programmer" is the boy equivalent of the "artsy" chick. one does stupid shit and "sells it" on etsy, the other does stupid shit and "sells it" on github
00:13 mircea_popescu the difference is absolutely nil.
00:14 asciilifeform again with reddit php == programming notion
00:14 mircea_popescu this is what it is.
00:14 mircea_popescu talk to a recent cs graduate.
00:14 gernika mircea_popescu I thought all usians dipped fries in the frier as teens or college students at least. Do the younger ones not go through that anymore?
00:15 asciilifeform does mircea_popescu need working komputermaschinen for anything?
00:15 TheNewDeal manual labor is an option as well
00:15 asciilifeform or is he happy with gefingerpoken
00:15 asciilifeform and the 'recent graduate' - straight to the furnace, yes
00:15 BingoBoingo gernika: Not enough jobs to hire them all for it
00:15 asciilifeform doesn't change what programming/medicine/bridge-building ~is~
00:15 mircea_popescu gernika is it a patently retarded idea to buy "restaurant". a restaurant is not a box of candies. if you haven't spent a decade working in one, you have no business OWNING one.
00:16 asciilifeform butbut want moneyz for having moneyz!
00:16 asciilifeform like ted turner!
00:16 mircea_popescu romanian fucktarded kids did this to death. went to work abroad - sucked septuagenarian cock on cruise ships, manned boats off alaska, whatever, came back with a 20-50-70k and then... OPENED A RESTAURANT
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00:16 mircea_popescu bar. pizzeria. thjeir mother on a stick.
00:17 mircea_popescu fucking country was full to the brim of bad pink collar places like that badly run by inept cocklets who had somehow imagined they run themselves.
00:17 TheNewDeal offer is still on the record for those interested in the bitcoin no over 350 bezzlers. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=02-08-2015#1221804
00:17 assbot Logged on 02-08-2015 01:07:52; TheNewDeal: I'm thinking of adding perhaps 2 days equivalent timeweight. Say weight it 21000, two days ago weight was 23600. I would accept your amount, and pay out on the timeweight two days prior, 23600. Terms negotiable
00:19 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 'Meanwhile everyone else continues to practice medicine as best the means available allow also, but according to what the knowledge of the time allows. And everyone else is going to be the professionals in the field of medicine in Sicily cca 1200, whereas our teleported professional is just going to be a quaint curio, undistinguishable and undistinguished from the weird old lady making pretty young things swall
00:19 asciilifeform ow live frogs whole, fresh out of the swamp, for her own perverse enjoyment of seeing the young sluts suffer. Hey, it cured Sue's pregnancy, it did! What spontaneous abortion, what coincidence, are you from like the future ?' << this is, as often is, not the complete story. there ~were~ folks who made a reputation for actually curing something
00:20 mircea_popescu gernika also all usians dipped their cock in pussy juice in college. afaik not done anymore.
00:21 asciilifeform gernika, mircea_popescu: actually this is still sop. i am the odd man out among my circle for ~never~ having done a lick of honest work
00:21 asciilifeform (in the sense of 'deep fryer')
00:22 mircea_popescu you're too old for this discussion.
00:22 mircea_popescu talk to 20 yos.
00:22 asciilifeform hm
00:23 mircea_popescu and yes, sure there were folks who made a reputation. then as now.
00:23 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2014#876727 see also
00:23 assbot Logged on 16-10-2014 00:01:42; asciilifeform: consider ancient scholars like the persian Razi.
00:23 mircea_popescu obama has a reputation for bringing nobel peace, and paracelsus had a reputation for curing spiritual warts.
00:24 asciilifeform ain't talking of xerxes's reputation for subduing the ocean with whip
00:24 mircea_popescu but necessarily you are.
00:24 asciilifeform because we haven't a chronoscope? possibly.
00:25 mircea_popescu and because who at the time is going to be your ossasepia.
00:25 asciilifeform or possibly a few folks actually knew 'just enough to be dangerous'
00:26 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-08-2015#1223301 << not dollar value, however. but yes.
00:26 assbot Logged on 03-08-2015 17:36:33; trinque: punkman | trinque: consider the case where your meat-wot is "businessmen" in Luxor << can probably be milked for some kind of value; if that's all ya got, that's all ya got. better than nothing
00:28 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-08-2015#1223358 << lawl.
00:28 assbot Logged on 03-08-2015 19:39:51; kakobrekla: fluffypony mp is a safe bet
00:28 mircea_popescu seriosly, i'd like to point out the pattern of it. clearly the guy is buying tailings, ie, overflow traffic/whatever's available to fit his budget. ends up with what overflows.
00:29 mircea_popescu i'm quite flattered, honestly. to think someone hates my shit enough that he's willing to spend to mess with it for part of a day likely more than what people paid to read it in its entire history...
00:29 mircea_popescu it's its own, special brand of compliment.
00:30 mircea_popescu sorta like the situation of a spy, really - the enemy is willing to spend millions to nail him, whereas his own team has to be fought for a 10k allocation sort of deal.
00:31 asciilifeform usg 'drop ten million rocket to nail a camel' is generous !
00:31 mircea_popescu something like that, but really this looks more like butthurt noob "with connections"
00:32 asciilifeform and 'his own team has to be fought for 10k' is for the same fundamental reason that a programmer who saves a $maxint reactor gets a $smallint bonus for his trouble
00:32 asciilifeform or perhaps is simply fired slightly later
00:32 asciilifeform or why the food-lever-operator chimp gets a slightly weaker beating as his 'salary'
00:32 mircea_popescu dumb way to run things.
00:32 asciilifeform i know of nothing which was ever run in any other way.
00:33 asciilifeform could exist, perhaps!
00:33 mircea_popescu i never ran things in that dumb manner.
00:33 asciilifeform like island of stability somewhere ten metres below the known mendeleev table
00:33 mircea_popescu also, japan didn't.
00:33 asciilifeform no?
00:33 mircea_popescu you save reactor - you get it. it's yours now.
00:33 asciilifeform only if blue blood
00:33 mircea_popescu has its failings, but at least it's fun to be in.
00:34 mircea_popescu nah. if "blue blood" i nthe sense of, willing to put up a fucking banner.
00:34 mircea_popescu or w/e they use.
00:34 mircea_popescu it's also a dumb system, for the record. tho perhaps less dumb and certainly dumb for different reasons.
00:35 mircea_popescu (to understand why it's dumb - imagine your prize for rescuing drowning damsel is the damsel. what if you don't want damsels, just enjoy swimming ?)
00:35 asciilifeform aha
00:36 asciilifeform american system is even more 'interesting':
00:36 mircea_popescu it broadly sunk the shogunate at any rate.
00:36 asciilifeform your 'reward' is the damsel's menstrual output
00:36 asciilifeform and little else
00:36 mircea_popescu heh
00:36 mircea_popescu draw out this simile for my benefit, i dun follow.
00:37 TheNewDeal !down TheNewDeal
00:37 asciilifeform worker bee gets the 'responsibility' but not the mega-cashout if the thing sells
00:37 asciilifeform work weekends, nights - sure
00:37 asciilifeform for... 0.1 % of $maybe.
00:37 mircea_popescu ah.
00:38 mircea_popescu shinohai : buncha other people are running eulora with gallium 4.0, incl on llvmpipe. that wouldn't likely be it.
00:39 mircea_popescu shinohai but you're the only one wioth mesa < 10. so that'd likely be it.
00:40 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: to pound in the last nail (for now) in the subject: razi, avicenna, et al had it easy compared to modern folk: they could at least charge the rich folks of their time for providing something superficially like working medicine
00:40 asciilifeform but no one will pay for, e.g., de-drepperization of bitcoin
00:40 asciilifeform because 'who the fuck pays for sunlight'
00:40 mircea_popescu you're model of how these guys' lives worked is really very bad you know.
00:41 asciilifeform my model is based on the same almost-nonexistent record as everybody else's ...
00:41 mircea_popescu in the case of avicenna it's not that bad, and a ton has been done to try and figure out his context.
00:44 asciilifeform HOLY SHIT
00:44 asciilifeform did anyone else spot the boojum in the mempool mechanism ?
00:44 asciilifeform revealed by the most recent experiment i suggested
00:45 asciilifeform looks like...
00:46 asciilifeform boost map stuctures DON'T FREE MEMORY when they lose members.
00:46 asciilifeform THIS is why, e.g., orphanage limits did nothing
00:47 asciilifeform who does not believe, is welcome to go and try the experiment in http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000142.html
00:47 assbot [BTC-dev] (EXPERIMENTAL) Mempool Jettison Trigger ... ( http://bit.ly/1N6ec1q )
00:47 * asciilifeform head-desks
00:50 mircea_popescu they only free when destroyed yes
00:50 asciilifeform except they don't
00:50 asciilifeform perhaps instead of waiting for this finding, mircea_popescu ought to have paid a nickel to an interchangeable chunk of protoplasm from 'fiverr' or 'etsy' to discover it.
00:50 asciilifeform given as 'all programming is same'
00:50 mircea_popescu ask anyone if what you're doing is programming and let me knopw what they say.
00:51 asciilifeform just asked woman. said 'yes'
00:51 mircea_popescu damn.
00:51 asciilifeform 'on account of, what else is it'
00:51 mircea_popescu well... there goes that argument.
00:51 asciilifeform though she as often describes it as 'the war'
00:51 asciilifeform in the sense of something i might conceivably one day 'come back from'
00:52 mircea_popescu fat hope.
00:52 asciilifeform aha
00:52 asciilifeform http://www.lyricsfreak.com/d/denis+leary/lifes+gonna+suck_20234052.html << obligatory
00:52 assbot Life's Gonna Suck Lyrics - Denis Leary ... ( http://bit.ly/1P2oDEo )
00:53 asciilifeform 'You're gonna be a giant mess
00:53 asciilifeform When you get back from the war'
00:54 mircea_popescu i don't think you were that unmessy to begin with anyway.
00:54 mircea_popescu proof : couldn't get even mcdonalds job.
00:54 asciilifeform aha
00:54 asciilifeform was even turned away at a bicycle repair pit
00:54 asciilifeform (among other)
00:54 mircea_popescu and you wanted to be my side of the street bicycle powered knife sharpener!
00:55 asciilifeform those don't have to be hired by a boss, all they gotta do is not scare folks away and sharpen
00:55 mircea_popescu in other news - ima point out to our esteemed us smoking colleagues that actual habanero montecristos are about a dime a dozen here.
00:55 mircea_popescu dogs smoke them
00:55 asciilifeform habanero, as with pepper ?
00:56 mircea_popescu ie from havana, cuba.
00:56 asciilifeform ah
00:56 * asciilifeform clearly needs sleep
00:56 * asciilifeform bbl
00:57 mircea_popescu pete_dushenski http://www.contravex.com/2015/08/03/no-you-dont-understand-elite-discontent/ << that first quote made me lose interest in the dood.
00:57 assbot No, you don’t understand elite discontent. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1MJ66Pi )
00:58 pete_dushenski rightly so.
00:58 mircea_popescu really, that's what he got out of whatever summary he read, that plato lamented writing. probably because "he despised poor people"
00:58 pete_dushenski i was feeling soldiery today so i... soldiered on.
00:59 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: he actually admitted to reading summaries
00:59 pete_dushenski that's not even a joke.
01:00 pete_dushenski in the footnotes of his original he cited motherfucking summaries written by contemporary tards
01:00 pete_dushenski Venkatesh Rao is some kinda troll.
01:00 mircea_popescu he was "being ironic", in current pop-parlance. had plato in fact and earnestly "bemoaned progress" played straight, he'd have complained about the innovation of allowing teen boys not be raped (mostly championed by socrates, for that matter).
01:02 pete_dushenski he was being pseudo-intellectual and name-dropping like the thinly veiled charlatanic 'progressive' he is.
01:02 mircea_popescu http://sexpr.sourceforge.net/ << check it out. someone should add regexp
01:02 assbot sfsexp home page ... ( http://bit.ly/1MJ6Cg2 )
01:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2576 @ 0.00053817 = 1.3863 BTC [+]
01:03 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: and you're right. plato's lamentation of oral storytelling clearly wasn't his most serious gripe with technology
01:04 mircea_popescu he was making a point. which point incidentally stands,
01:04 mircea_popescu except apparently doesn't stand too well to the reading of barely literate goats bereft of the time to comprehend context.
01:05 pete_dushenski "What we - and yes, I include myself firmly in this much despised camp – view as degeneracy are the expected developments ; that is, the highly predictable and completely foreseeable destruction wrought by making good things “accessible” and “easy-to-use.”" << this is what stands from plato's lament
01:05 mircea_popescu hm.
01:05 mircea_popescu you gotta appreciate plato's personal history.
01:05 mircea_popescu not only was the man part of a b-a of his time, but they actually took power.
01:06 mircea_popescu and then fucked everything up.
01:06 mircea_popescu vividly.
01:07 pete_dushenski well, he was assumed too much rationality in man, no ?
01:08 mircea_popescu who even knows.
01:08 mircea_popescu whatever the fuck happened there is still an open question.
01:09 mircea_popescu in other news, review of various wallets etc shows that most of my bitcoin are over 500 days old. holy shit i need larger blocks imminently!
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01:09 pete_dushenski or just more alpaca socks to buy.
01:10 gernika pete_dushenski: you familiar with Rao's Gervais Principle posts?
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01:10 mircea_popescu yeah, im sure that's what it is.
01:10 pete_dushenski gernika: can't say i am. link ?
01:10 mircea_popescu gernika are you like, the most well read of us on the people we don't like ?
01:11 gernika pete_dushenski: http://www.ribbonfarm.com/the-gervais-principle/
01:11 assbot The Gervais Principle ... ( http://bit.ly/1MJ7q4B )
01:11 pete_dushenski i honestly just stumbled across this rao dude today and he happened to serve up the right fodder at the right moment. so i fired, fired, fired away.
01:12 gernika mircea_popescu: somehow they lead me here. They got me thinking at least. Or at least trying to.
01:12 mircea_popescu it's not a crime by any means. as they say, there's a blessing for everything
01:12 pete_dushenski is gernika also a pro on twobitidiot and tim swanson ?
01:13 mircea_popescu perfection in any field's still a perfection.
01:13 gernika pete_dushenski sadly unfamiliar with their work. I totally missed out on the tardstalk madness.
01:13 mircea_popescu what man buys a goat that is already milking a cow.
01:13 pete_dushenski gernika: eh, they're more twitterati ftr, for what little difference that makes.
01:15 pete_dushenski and you're really NOT missing out.
01:15 gernika pete_dushenski anyway I admit I was fond of the Gervais Principle, and it gave me a model to try and think about wtf executives and managers do all day.
01:15 pete_dushenski though they each earned a contravex article in their respective heydeys.
01:16 pete_dushenski heh. 7.3 gh/s gets you 10.5% of the ethereum mining power and the top individual miner spot.
01:17 pete_dushenski gernika: i'll give it a peek here.
01:20 gernika pete_dushenski: cool. I think my problem with Rao now is that he bases the Gervaise Principle off of The Office which was written by kids like B.J. Novak - and how the hell does he know anything about what executives do? He may, I just don't see how he got the knowledge.
01:21 mircea_popescu wait a second. you're not seriously trying to understand "what executives do" by reading bloggers' commentary on tv shows ?!
01:21 mircea_popescu this is almost like trying to understand whether alf is a programmer by asking his girlfriend whether he likes the eggs runny.
01:22 gernika mircea_popescu I had hopes, yes.
01:22 mircea_popescu nuts.
01:22 pete_dushenski this is pure rao.
01:23 pete_dushenski 'understanding an eagle's viewpoint by living as a worm in dirt'
01:23 mircea_popescu anyway. have you happened to at any point notice the similarity between the "companies promoite the wrong people - not me!" and the usual complaint trhe same people make about women "they fuck jerks instead of seeing how much of a great sense of humor i have" ?
01:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12757 @ 0.00051944 = 6.6265 BTC [-] {3}
01:24 mircea_popescu because it's dunning-kruger all through. the dumbass who sucks at life can't correctly evaluate wqhat the people better than him are doing so they ARE better than him. and so he doesn't understand why they get promoted and laid.
01:25 pete_dushenski "my betters suck, they just can't see it like i do"
01:25 mircea_popescu right.
01:25 gernika mircea_popescu on top of that he argues its not even worth being promoted
01:25 mircea_popescu all these complex (wholly self-contained) mind games to hack the girls panties from offa her fanny
01:25 mircea_popescu as if she wouldn't just take them off herself anyway
01:26 mircea_popescu gernika or gettinglaid. sure. EGHOW!
01:26 pete_dushenski no perspective, some imagination, and *poof*, magical stories that conveniently assuage the ego.
01:26 mircea_popescu employees going their own way!
01:27 pete_dushenski gernika: "no one NEEDS a ferrari anyways, they're just for showing off"
01:27 gernika lol!
01:27 mircea_popescu well this is much true.
01:27 mircea_popescu also nobody needs to be six foot tall.
01:28 mircea_popescu anyway! this is enouigh for me tonight gents. have a great one.
01:28 pete_dushenski bon soir mp
01:30 * pete_dushenski continues reading the latest trilema, searching for mountain bike rentals, and hunting for the right air-cooled porsche deal
~ 26 minutes ~
01:57 pete_dushenski https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbIlLmCID5g
01:57 assbot The 100 Greatest Movie Threats of All Time - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1g3dYgJ )
02:03 BingoBoingo Only in East Saint, the body on the road being a carjacking ruse is more novel than there being a body on the road http://www.bnd.com/news/local/crime/article29695969.html
02:03 assbot ESL Police warn: Body on road could be carjacking ruse | Belleville News-Democrat ... ( http://bit.ly/1KNcfcG )
02:13 BingoBoingo !up Hasimir
02:13 BingoBoingo !up Belxjander
02:14 BingoBoingo !up TheRealJohnGalt
02:22 pete_dushenski ;;later tell mircea_popescu "can be ridden for a lot of mileage, and simlarly"
02:22 gribble The operation succeeded.
02:25 pete_dushenski also, "enligthened restraint"
02:26 pete_dushenski also also, "established throgh counting"
02:29 Belxjander thank you for the temp voice...
02:40 pete_dushenski Belxjander: and who might you be ?
02:40 pete_dushenski !gettrust Belxjander
02:40 assbot Belxjander is not registered in WoT.
02:44 Belxjander what the hell does it mean I'm not in the WoT
02:45 pete_dushenski !up Belxjander
02:45 Belxjander pete a guy living in Japan who has been reading here a long time
02:45 pete_dushenski Belxjander: then you must be joking about not knowing what the wot means if you've been 'reading here a long time'
02:45 pete_dushenski !h
02:45 assbot http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot
02:46 Belxjander I'm in the middle of moving so don't really have time to mess with everything until after getting network access sorted at the new place
02:46 pete_dushenski either way, read that link there and follow along.
02:46 Belxjander pete I'm not saying that... I'm surprised the bot can't find me in the WoT
02:46 pete_dushenski also, obligatory : http://www.contravex.com/2014/03/31/biting-into-the-wot-elephant-and-irc-nicknames/
02:46 assbot Biting Into The WoT Elephant (And IRC Nicknames) | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1JJrOAG )
02:46 pete_dushenski ;;gettrust Belxjander
02:46 gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user pete_dushenski to user Belxjander: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=pete_dushenski&dest=Belxjander | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Belxjander | Rated since: Wed Dec 4 14:43:24 2013
02:47 pete_dushenski aha. you're in the old gribble wot.
02:47 pete_dushenski you also need to register in the new assbot wot
02:47 pete_dushenski and you're friends with usagi !
02:48 pete_dushenski bwahaha now there's a badge of dishonour.
02:48 Belxjander then I'll screengrab this for now and get to that sometime after getting online at my new address then
02:48 pete_dushenski no matter. just get in the new wot
02:49 Belxjander okay...as soon as I can then...preferably with my desktop and not from this tablet and rpi-znc setup
02:49 BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Now, you aren't still running OS X anywhere are you
02:50 pete_dushenski BingoBoingo: sure i am.
02:50 BingoBoingo You read qntra today right?
02:50 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5802 @ 0.00051944 = 3.0138 BTC [-] {2}
02:50 pete_dushenski BingoBoingo: actually, just now. i read about that flaw a day or two ago.
02:51 pete_dushenski what, you think i run the latest ?? pah.
02:51 BingoBoingo It is a pretty big, pretty intentional seemign Drepperization
02:51 pete_dushenski i may be stupid in my choice of os, but not THAT stupid.
02:51 pete_dushenski Belxjander: cool beans.
02:52 BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: It's never to late to embrace OS 9
02:53 pete_dushenski i really should have a machine running that.
02:53 pete_dushenski just for kicks
02:53 pete_dushenski and diversity !
02:55 BingoBoingo And to see what could have been
02:55 pete_dushenski i sorta remember it. i ran it on my first g3 tower iirc
02:56 BingoBoingo ah
02:58 Belxjander using AmigaOS 4.1Final on my desktop myself... definitely niche..
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03:02 cazalla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-08-2015#1223127 <<< as much as i'd like to fuck a different woman each night, i usually settle for a tissue.. who knows maybe i'll get lucky on the weekend when/if i try to get the foundation's client up and running
03:02 assbot Logged on 03-08-2015 14:06:53; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-08-2015#1223002 << at this point i gotta ask, why are any of you still using the phoundation turd for anything
03:08 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8350 @ 0.00051943 = 4.3372 BTC [-] {4}
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03:24 cazalla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-08-2015#1223409 <<< the guides help but isn't enough to get it over the line for me so until i can build it by myself, i'm stuck using what is available to me
03:24 assbot Logged on 04-08-2015 00:28:01; mircea_popescu: the latter is guaranteed to take a while. the former may take even longer depending on how familiar you are with mashing computers into shape.
03:31 cazalla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-08-2015#1223464 <<< i called this in pm months ago!
03:31 assbot Logged on 04-08-2015 01:08:38; BingoBoingo: Can't tell if real or fake https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3fottn/cointelegraphcom_is_shutting_down_cutting_all/
03:32 BingoBoingo cazalla: I can't go leaking seekrits though
03:47 BingoBoingo Pattypan squash coming in heavy this year
03:51 shinohai CoinTelegrapgh lel
03:56 jurov http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-08-2015#1223457 was half a bitcoin per shitplatform. and lel "running the compiler"
03:56 assbot Logged on 04-08-2015 00:51:27; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-08-2015#1223213 << iirc you got a bitcoin for running the windows compiler, and didn't even get pushed to do the os/x or die. my memory betrayin' me or something ?
03:57 jurov if it was, you'd have folks waiting in line
03:58 punkman mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-08-2015#1223301 << not dollar value, however. but yes. << exactly. I get immense value from Luxor meat-wot, but it will never be in dollars.
03:58 assbot Logged on 03-08-2015 17:36:33; trinque: punkman | trinque: consider the case where your meat-wot is "businessmen" in Luxor << can probably be milked for some kind of value; if that's all ya got, that's all ya got. better than nothing
03:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5850 @ 0.00051943 = 3.0387 BTC [-]
04:08 punkman http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-08-2015#1223776 << same here. and I go to that stupid restaurant at 00:40, there's 4-5 tables still waiting for food, but the motherfucker has the nerve to say "sorry kitchen's closed".
04:08 assbot Logged on 04-08-2015 04:16:26; mircea_popescu: romanian fucktarded kids did this to death. went to work abroad - sucked septuagenarian cock on cruise ships, manned boats off alaska, whatever, came back with a 20-50-70k and then... OPENED A RESTAURANT
04:13 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.00052913 = 4.4447 BTC [+] {3}
04:15 punkman http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-08-2015#1223913 << I liked it back in 2009, and it seemed slightly derpy then. but I can no longer read Rao's markov output.
04:15 assbot Logged on 04-08-2015 05:10:01; gernika: pete_dushenski: you familiar with Rao's Gervais Principle posts?
04:20 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4604 @ 0.0005352 = 2.4641 BTC [+] {3}
04:25 cazalla BingoBoingo, sounds yum.. i'm just about ready to get some spring veg into the seed propogator (warm mat and shit)
04:25 BingoBoingo ah
04:25 cazalla either this coming weekend or next
04:25 BingoBoingo cool
04:37 shinohai dem netsplitz >.>
04:37 Adlai dat irc_smart_filter
04:42 BingoBoingo lol
04:43 shinohai LTC:USD sell = 4.20, buy = 4.21, last = 4.20; high = 4.36, low = 4.09, avg = 4.22 || via BTC-e on 2015-Aug-04 08:43:07 Z
04:43 shinohai ltc @ 4.20 hue
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05:06 cazalla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-08-2015#1223743 <<< is that the local strip joint you like? :P
05:06 assbot Logged on 04-08-2015 04:05:52; BingoBoingo: https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-2vsi2B8F0R8/VbRFXBfZSSI/AAAAAAAAEhA/WJN0RBxajnI/s1600/Panic%2BRoom%2BBar%2BRescue.jpg
05:06 BingoBoingo cazalla: Nah, just beautiful vandalism
05:15 jurov !t m f.mpif
05:15 assbot Yeah. No damn tobacco, that's for sure.
05:16 punkman every time ^
05:19 jurov !t m s.mpoe
05:19 assbot [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00051414 / 0.00053388 / 0.00054924 (1886087 shares, 1,006.96 BTC), 7D: 0.00050177 / 0.00052958 / 0.00055771 (13428065 shares, 7,111.26 BTC), 30D: 0.00049302 / 0.00054003 / 0.00060248 (99390102 shares, 53,674.54 BTC)
05:19 jurov !t m x.eur
05:19 assbot [MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0.00383327 / 0.00383327 / 0.00383327 (15 shares, 0.06 BTC), 7D: 0.00366423 / 0.00378283 / 0.00388112 (866 shares, 3.28 BTC), 30D: 0.0035 / 0.00394028 / 0.00430612 (7173 shares, 28.26 BTC)
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07:04 shinohai https://np.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3flyi2/bitlicense_new_york_cronyism_state_of_mind/ctpzkrv
07:04 assbot BitLicense: New York Cronyism State of Mind : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1KNCno3 )
07:15 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12500 @ 0.00051748 = 6.4685 BTC [+]
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08:16 BingoBoingo http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/man-claimed-he-rammed-st-louis-police-car-for-the/article_fed4cbc2-24d1-585c-a2d4-2ab5f853644d.html
08:16 BingoBoingo ^ Police grabbed him, and as they were arresting him, Labriado yelled several times that "This is for the black people!"
08:16 shinohai fight the power
08:17 punkman too bad he didn't have a bulldozer
08:18 kakobrekla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-08-2015#1223206
08:18 assbot Logged on 03-08-2015 16:57:30; ascii_field: ^ somebody buy this man a small airplane.
08:20 BingoBoingo Well we are coming up on the one year anniversary of Ferguson going up in flames.
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09:51 mircea_popescu pete_dushenski heh the editor's getting belted.
09:53 mircea_popescu ;;gettrust belxjander
09:53 gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user belxjander: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=belxjander | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=belxjander | Rated since: Wed Dec 4 14:43:24 2013
09:54 mircea_popescu !gettrust belxjander
09:54 assbot belxjander is not registered in WoT.
09:54 mircea_popescu ;;later tel belxjander if you created your gribble account after january 2015 you don't get an automatic assbot account.
09:54 gribble Error: The "Later" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "tel" in it. Try "list Later" to see the commands in the "Later" plugin.
09:54 mircea_popescu ;;later tell belxjander if you created your gribble account after january 2015 you don't get an automatic assbot account.
09:54 gribble The operation succeeded.
09:55 mircea_popescu llol, ddosing qntra now ?
09:57 BingoBoingo looks like it.
09:57 BingoBoingo Was a bit slow earlier it seemed. Just now reaching the inaccessible phase
09:58 BingoBoingo In other news look which forum/dice derp is apparently no frozen to death in Canada https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1142879
09:58 assbot KLYEMAX T-Shirt Fundraiser ... ( http://bit.ly/1IDSaiu )
09:58 fluffypony lol
09:58 fluffypony inb4 KLYE'S ICE COLD CAM GIRLS
09:58 mircea_popescu qntra comin' back on in 3..2..1..
09:59 asciilifeform http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2015-07/24/youtube-us-drone-teenager-arrested << lulziez
09:59 assbot US teen behind gun-wielding drone arrested (Wired UK) ... ( http://bit.ly/1IDSnlD )
09:59 mircea_popescu aww
09:59 BingoBoingo For the archive https://archive.is/EbbYR
09:59 assbot KLYEMAX T-Shirt Fundraiser ... ( http://bit.ly/1IDSuOd )
09:59 asciilifeform ~not for the stunt itself~
09:59 mircea_popescu Malwarebytes reports (archived) that a vulnerability in Apple's latest version of OS X which was reported to exist last month on Stefan Esser's blog (archived) is now appearing on malware in the wild.
09:59 mircea_popescu da fuck, why are they so slow ?
10:00 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it was an escalator, not a remote 0day
10:00 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: It really only appears to have been spotted in use because some braindead adware used it on sudoers
10:00 asciilifeform hence pretty useless except as part of something else
10:00 mircea_popescu a
10:00 mircea_popescu Malwarebytes only noticed the flaw being actively exploited because a particular piece of adware had edited the sudoers file on a testing environment << lmao.
10:01 mircea_popescu ad industry, still driving force behind 0day innovation.
10:01 asciilifeform 'The teenage mechanical engineering student, who set up the killer machine as part of college class project, was charged with two counts of assault, interfering with a police officer and failure to obey an officer's signal, after refusing to turn himself in on an outstanding warrant and attacking the officers in question "repeatedly".'
10:01 mircea_popescu they don't get enough credit for this.
10:01 mircea_popescu everyone just thinks "oh, porn".
10:01 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i'd expect by now most of the "no go" zones openly advertise "see a cop ? kill a cop" policies.
10:02 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo " The severity of the flaw though is such that when triggered it can edit any file on the affected machine including files." wtf is that mean
10:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43050 @ 0.00051037 = 21.9714 BTC [-] {8}
10:02 BingoBoingo missing word, will fix
10:03 BingoBoingo two words "executable system" goes before last files
10:04 mircea_popescu jurov no! RUNNING THE COMPILER! :D
10:05 BingoBoingo And qntra gets DDoS resurgent when update post button is hit
10:06 mircea_popescu <punkman> Rao's markov output. << i wonder if this is the necessary fate of all long running "idea" blogs on the internets.
10:06 mircea_popescu obviously this is a poorly researched field, for lack of substance to study. but particularly interesting to me for the obv reasons
10:07 BingoBoingo Well you are creating a dataset. Probably bought yourself some time with the language switch.
10:08 mircea_popescu if that's it ima move to fucking french next.
10:08 mircea_popescu would you still read me if i was in french ?
10:08 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 'я русский бы выучил только за то что им разговаривал ленин' (TM) (R)
10:09 mircea_popescu (tbh, i think i'm buying a lot of time with my willingness to engage the frivolous, but maybe i'm just reading ideology into reality)
10:09 BingoBoingo Might read in French
10:09 mircea_popescu asciilifeform sadly my russian's not nearly good enough to actually write in it
10:09 mircea_popescu now THAT's a way to embarass oneself...
10:10 asciilifeform everybody laughs at the esperantists for a century, but this is kinda why they do it
10:10 mircea_popescu "considering how sparkling he was in english, reading the flat clumps of russian slag he puts out was quite the disappointment"
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10:10 asciilifeform bozo shield.
10:10 mircea_popescu no.fucking.way.
10:10 mircea_popescu wake me up when there's a 500 year tradition of prison culture in esperanto.
10:10 asciilifeform it's a planetoid, not a planet.
10:10 mircea_popescu wake me up when you can go through an entire conversation in huyesperanto
10:11 mircea_popescu planetoids hold no atmosphere.
10:11 mircea_popescu langage breathes.
10:11 BingoBoingo Well the best time to start building 500 years of prison culture in Esparanto is Today. Next best time tomorrow.
10:11 asciilifeform thing is, once big enough to have prisoners, big enough to be 95% derp by weight
10:11 mircea_popescu actual best timne is never.
10:11 asciilifeform like engl.
10:11 mircea_popescu asciilifeform russian is 95% derp by weight too
10:11 mircea_popescu that's not the criteria.
10:11 mircea_popescu the criteria is, whether the remaining 5% are entusiastically sucking the cock or not.
10:11 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: not as strong a tradition there - yet - of 'everybody gets to write'
10:12 mircea_popescu that may seem like the driver of language shittyfication but it is not.
10:12 mircea_popescu languages go to shit for two reasons. the main one is, elite being humble. the secondary one is, no nation.
10:13 mircea_popescu languages spoken by proud elites of actual nations do greatr. whether the pride is justified or not, and irrespective of what it does to the country otherwise.
10:13 chetty nation as a thing is rapidly turning into history
10:13 mircea_popescu not that rapidly.
10:14 mircea_popescu the once great french nation is going the way of all other failed experiments - austro-hungarian, united-statesian, whatever.
10:14 mircea_popescu the chinese are doing fine, the russians are doing fine, even the fucktarded greeks or romanians are doing fine.
10:14 mircea_popescu nationo-language wise at least.
10:15 mircea_popescu heck, idish died but hebrew fucking survived! fancy that.
10:15 chetty greeks wont last long, neither will Romania since they are in eu
10:16 mircea_popescu i don't know the greek situation well enough to quote chapter and verse past the general impression, but as to romanian i can sign you a warrant. robotzi is strictly sufficient proof, for decades, perhaps a century.
10:17 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> heck, idish died but hebrew fucking survived! fancy that. << It didn't survive. They found a corpse and built around it.
10:17 mircea_popescu "de ce ?" (why ?) "de tot (forever). debarcader (drydock). de verde ce-i iarba (for grass is green). de treci codrii de arama (if you pass the bronze forrest (literary reference)). deranjat la ficat. (upset liver)."
10:17 mircea_popescu that's it.,
10:17 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo what did you think survival was ?
10:17 BingoBoingo I was under the impression survival didn't require resurection after dying on the cross
10:18 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: tone poemz ?
10:18 mircea_popescu (actually the correct quote is "Foca:De ce? Mo:De tot, debarcader, de verde, ce-i iarba, de maine incepand, de treci codrii de arama, de departe, vezi aproape, destoinic, deranjat la ficat." but anyway)
10:18 mircea_popescu asciilifeform spontaneous tone poemz by two kids making a random cartoon show out of their bedroom.
10:19 mircea_popescu can stand up with fucking poe, and english doesn't just sprout forth poe when scraping its knees on the asphalt in a rollerblading accident
10:19 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: we have this beat: http://img.1001mem.ru/posts_temp/14-05-09/3513007.jpg
10:19 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1IDWSwI )
10:19 mircea_popescu ahahaha
10:19 asciilifeform ^ these are all poems. in the style indicated above each (e.g., pushkin's)
10:20 mircea_popescu but myeah. i am not the cunt's slightest fuck worried about assrussian.
10:21 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo it just so happens it died like 8 times to date.
10:22 asciilifeform incidentally, anyone can learn to pronounce - with flavour! - these poemz
10:22 asciilifeform good exercise for folks who like languages but don't know ru yet
10:22 mircea_popescu (anyway, lest the esl reader acquires the wrong impression from the logs - at issue is not that the thing was done, per se. at issue is HOW the thing is done. which is to say : shockingly unexpected, which requires a) a large body of work against which to expect pre-existend and b) a language strong enough to shock against that. these are plain impossible requisites in "reasonable" languages, and they can't be met by p
10:22 mircea_popescu eople who stick together for "reasonable" reasons.)
10:23 asciilifeform see also orlov re: english being a technical pidgin
10:23 asciilifeform used by precisely the folks 'together for reasonable reasons'
10:23 mircea_popescu this is why poetry worked back in the day the english aristrocracy imposed it on the masses, but esperanto and ebonics do not nor will ever work.
10:24 mircea_popescu asciilifeform aha.
10:24 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo it just so happens it died like 8 times to date. << So did actual Greek, as did actual Fortran.
10:25 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: to be clear, i won't recommend esperanto as a literary language. but will point out that it plays somewhat of the same role morse plays for 'hams', or sign language for the literate deaf. i.e. a ~shield against mainstream cultural poison~
10:25 mircea_popescu wrong kind of shield.
10:25 asciilifeform lets you have a little 'usenet' going. for a spell.
10:25 mircea_popescu corporate job is idem "a shield" for usian fucktards, like working "for the govtr" was a shield that still got germans hung and soviets spat on.
10:26 mircea_popescu i suppose the greatest mysetery of life is that there are shields you want and shields you do not want.
10:26 asciilifeform castle != jail
10:26 asciilifeform (though a jail can be inside a castle, yes)
10:26 mircea_popescu all castle contains a jail.
10:26 mircea_popescu and for that matter versailles (which is how and why french died) was not a castle, but a jail.
10:27 mircea_popescu i suppose phillipe equalite is the patron saint of dead languages.
10:27 mircea_popescu once he appears, it's the end.
10:27 asciilifeform some shields may cost more than they are worth. but i argue that not-having-britney-spears-in-your-language is worth ~something~ culturally
10:28 mircea_popescu nononon
10:28 mircea_popescu not a matter of cost.
10:28 asciilifeform just like not having had tumblr pheminism in a language yet, is a great cultural asset
10:28 mircea_popescu some shields are simply not worth having. period. for any cost. they mostly cost "0" anyway.
10:28 mircea_popescu asciilifeform not so.
10:28 mircea_popescu tumblr pheminism is a great strengthener. for a live one.
10:28 asciilifeform recall the old thread about north kr?
10:28 mircea_popescu bout 12 of em,...
10:28 asciilifeform the world's only nation without mcdonalds
10:29 asciilifeform and this may almost make up for everything else
10:29 asciilifeform they will eat own shoes, yes. but not mcd
10:29 mircea_popescu i do not see this.
10:29 asciilifeform like a nature preserve
10:29 asciilifeform see the point of those ?
10:29 mircea_popescu nature preserves are for dead animals.
10:29 mircea_popescu and no i do not.
10:29 mircea_popescu let them die.
10:30 asciilifeform north kr (at least as seen from my distant perch) is a backup copy
10:30 asciilifeform of civilization prior to mcd.
10:30 mircea_popescu hahaha no.
10:30 mircea_popescu not unless you imagine the stale sandwich 3 months in your fridge is a "backup copy" of a sandwich
10:31 mircea_popescu tell you what - if we ever lose sandwiching, ima reinvent it
10:31 mircea_popescu and iom not using your pile of dog vomit.
10:31 asciilifeform and prior to 'worth of individual' and other crocks of shit which have spilled since- everywhere
10:31 asciilifeform it is an old, worm-eaten backup, yes
10:32 asciilifeform but somewhere in it could be a usable kB or two.
10:32 mircea_popescu you can't backup live things.
10:32 mircea_popescu you know what ? there's a usable kb or two on github too
10:32 mircea_popescu go. use.
10:32 asciilifeform it's a culture without reddit and 'worth of indiviiiiidualz'
10:32 asciilifeform gotta be worth something.
10:32 mircea_popescu no, it is not.
10:32 mircea_popescu it is a culture with a fucktarded, buggy, slow implementation of these
10:32 mircea_popescu done by hand out of rice husks.
10:33 mircea_popescu i'd rather see the best in all fields, including poisons.
10:33 asciilifeform mircea_popescu brings up interesting point. entirely possible that north kr will binge to death on reddit, like the red skinned man did on liquor, when the time comes
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10:34 mircea_popescu what ELSE ?
10:34 asciilifeform and on else
10:34 mircea_popescu for them reddit IS the west, much like for yours truly, outlet store catalogues was
10:34 mircea_popescu i was 10 at the time, but still.
10:35 asciilifeform for me it was... the house in 'tom & jerry' !
10:35 asciilifeform (among others)
10:35 mircea_popescu same idea i guess.
10:36 chetty I wonder if being on the internet so much only makes you guys now see the 'west' as reddit and there just might be actual civilization out there if you get off the computers.
10:37 asciilifeform chetty: there sure is! it lives in the library.
10:37 asciilifeform and smells of mildew and horse glue
10:37 asciilifeform because stopped happenening around 1960 or so
10:38 asciilifeform can't speak for others, but ~i~ still visit it.
10:38 mircea_popescu chetty you'll probably get asked what asciilifeform got asked yesterday re "industry".
10:38 chetty funny, I recall life before I lived on the computer, and it wasn't that long ago.
10:38 mircea_popescu there still is this civilisation ? where ?
10:39 mircea_popescu retirement homes, maybe. while that lasts.
10:39 asciilifeform thing is, if something is alive inside an impenetrable bubble, it is not alive.
10:40 asciilifeform the 'real programmerz' are not in such a bubble, in that you are interacting with them every time you flip the light switch or turn on the tap, or get into a '747'
10:40 mircea_popescu cop out of major degree.
10:40 mircea_popescu ~I~ am not in a bubble, because i actually take untold hours each quarter to talk here.
10:40 asciilifeform or run therealbitcoin, etc
10:40 mircea_popescu nevertheless, everyone else in fucking finance pretty much is
10:40 mircea_popescu some, the brighter ones, are sort-of trying, twitter, what have you. maybe it works, who knows.
10:40 mircea_popescu and if you wish you can say the same re programmers, and i'll buy it
10:41 mircea_popescu but it also illustrates just how strained the melted cheese is
10:41 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: they aren't - as far as i can tell - talking
10:41 asciilifeform 'spartan speaks with his sword
10:41 asciilifeform '
10:41 mircea_popescu risky argument.
10:41 asciilifeform because talking with the 'fresh grads' (much less the public at large) is increasingly a pearls/swine proposition
10:41 mircea_popescu spartan may well speak with his sword, but this does not promise an easy translation.
10:42 asciilifeform and this is felt, in the gut, by just about everyone
10:42 mircea_popescu for one thing, computing is language.
10:42 mircea_popescu so let them wot.
10:42 asciilifeform they wot
10:42 asciilifeform it just doesn't include anybody under 50
10:42 asciilifeform analogue wot.
10:42 mircea_popescu understand
10:42 BingoBoingo https://i.imgur.com/Jd3Ph70.jpg
10:42 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1gHkw5y )
10:43 mircea_popescu i made this point, vaguely, when we were discussing our own survival, in the form of "lordship lists" etc. but it stands - if you have a systematic closure you're in a bubble.
10:43 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: wat
10:43 mircea_popescu "nobody under 50" means bubble.
10:43 asciilifeform aha
10:43 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Cake
10:43 asciilifeform it means 'that's it, we're done'
10:43 chetty hahahaha the old dont trust anyone over 30 has morphed into don't talk to anyone under 50
10:43 mircea_popescu so it does.
10:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4639 @ 0.00051087 = 2.3699 BTC [+]
10:45 asciilifeform nobody has yet invented the machine for turning mental 'bonsai kitten' into a full-grown animal.
10:46 asciilifeform folks who grew up with javascript in microshit exploder as 'programming' - are lost.
10:46 asciilifeform quite likely - permanently.
10:46 asciilifeform ditto folks who grew up with 'climatocalypse' and 'string theory' as 'physics'
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10:46 asciilifeform they are also write-offs.
10:47 asciilifeform like the sicilian doctors circa 1200 from mircea_popescu's article
10:47 asciilifeform not 1 in 1000 is salvageable.
10:48 asciilifeform modern 'west' works the way it works by narrowing the victim's horizon in such a way that from the day he is born, sees entire world only through own arsehole
10:48 asciilifeform knowing this, how to talk to 'under 30' ?
10:49 asciilifeform i can already hear, mircea_popescu will say, 'with your cock'
10:50 asciilifeform to which i answer 'go to the harem and come back with why tx is not deallocated when mapTransactions is emptied'
10:51 * asciilifeform bbl
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11:16 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23386 @ 0.00050912 = 11.9063 BTC [-] {2}
11:17 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12664 @ 0.00050871 = 6.4423 BTC [-] {3}
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11:41 punkman from my spam folder: "Get paid like Seinfeld‏"
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11:58 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43161 @ 0.00051087 = 22.0497 BTC [+]
11:59 mircea_popescu "i know hoiw to make sitcom successful in big way (like seinfeld) so please send me some pics of you" ?
12:00 punkman nah, usual "make money while you sleep" fare
12:00 mircea_popescu ok
12:01 mircea_popescu asciilifeform long known, that machine. it consists of a belt and, as mo says, "totu-i din incheietura, ma, degeaba tot..."
12:02 mircea_popescu <asciilifeform> knowing this, how to talk to 'under 30' ? << i have an easy enough time, prequals : nude, nice tits, better ass, on knees.
12:02 mircea_popescu works wunderbar.
12:03 mircea_popescu <asciilifeform> to which i answer << and to wich is answer, if memory serves you were brought by a woman!
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12:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38650 @ 0.00050849 = 19.6531 BTC [-]
12:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3100 @ 0.00051149 = 1.5856 BTC [+]
12:22 jurov and that woman sure knew how to deallocate after, i spose
12:23 mircea_popescu lol actually you should see hanbot these days, running containers and whatnot. you lot have ruined her.
12:34 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54550 @ 0.00050777 = 27.6989 BTC [-] {4}
12:34 mod6 asciilifeform: thanks for your Mempool Jettison submission
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12:41 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4700 @ 0.00050531 = 2.375 BTC [-]
12:46 mircea_popescu http://logs.minigame.bz/2015-08-04.log.html#t16:24:41 << ima just leave this here.
12:46 assbot #Eulora log for Tuesday, 2015-08-04 ... ( http://bit.ly/1DqHvM5 )
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13:01 asciilifeform !up ascii_field
13:02 ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-08-2015#1224297 << please see last night's log! (spoiler: jettison does't actually free mem..)
13:02 assbot Logged on 04-08-2015 16:34:27; mod6: asciilifeform: thanks for your Mempool Jettison submission
13:02 ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-08-2015#1224291 << was many things-ed by women
13:02 assbot Logged on 04-08-2015 16:03:01; mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> to which i answer << and to wich is answer, if memory serves you were brought by a woman!
13:02 decimation ascii_field: did you know that openssl has a pure c implementation?
13:03 ascii_field reimplementation ?
13:03 ascii_field (in what sense would this be 'openssl' ?)
13:03 decimation heh
13:03 ascii_field or you mean the original? well no shit, c
13:03 decimation remember how they have that 'we can load object code' functionality?
13:03 ascii_field big phat news
13:03 * ascii_field brainfarted, thought 'boost' for some reason
13:04 decimation yeah but you were complaining that openssl was inseperable because of the assembly optimization
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13:04 decimation http://www.openssl.org/source/openssl-fips-2.0.tar.gz < the 'fips' source
13:04 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1DqMsV9 )
13:05 decimation nevermind the fips shit, they ship a pure c implementatin for cross-platform stuff
13:05 ascii_field snore
13:06 ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-08-2015#1224314 << who, me? nope
13:06 assbot Logged on 04-08-2015 17:04:24; decimation: yeah but you were complaining that openssl was inseperable because of the assembly optimization
13:06 ascii_field possibly mircea_popescu was retching at the use of intel 'aes accelerator' instruction
13:07 mircea_popescu not retching. simply not an option.
13:07 ascii_field no shit
13:07 mircea_popescu do that, mgith as well "store your private keys with keybase.io indacloud"
13:08 ascii_field fwiw these don't even execute on my iron
13:08 ascii_field (amd)
13:08 mircea_popescu same cloud the brits store the islanders to create that .io in the firsat place.
13:08 jurov rly amd does not support? even via does
13:08 ascii_field jurov: not ~decade-old amd
13:09 jurov now i'm curious what alf thinks of via
13:09 mircea_popescu well if decade old, not intel even
13:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7500 @ 0.00050531 = 3.7898 BTC [-]
13:20 scoopbot_revived Sunday, August 9th event : Auction! http://trilema.com/2015/sunday-august-9th-event-auction/
13:24 ascii_field https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3frn1d/satoshis_coins_have_not_moved_blockchaininfo_is << l0l (via diametric)
13:24 assbot Satoshi's coins have NOT moved. Blockchain.info is dead! : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1IhY8Zo )
13:29 trinque https://np.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3frn1d/satoshis_coins_have_not_moved_blockchaininfo_is/ctradeg << Anduck
13:29 assbot Anduckk comments on Satoshi's coins have NOT moved. Blockchain.info is dead! ... ( http://bit.ly/1DqRYai )
13:29 mod6 <+ascii_field> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-08-2015#1224297 << please see last night's log! (spoiler: jettison does't actually free mem..) << will review, thx.
13:29 assbot Logged on 04-08-2015 16:34:27; mod6: asciilifeform: thanks for your Mempool Jettison submission
13:30 ascii_field mod6, mircea_popescu, et al: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/569110/why-is-memory-still-accessible-after-stdmapclear-is-called
13:30 assbot c++ - Why is memory still accessible after std::map::clear() is called? - Stack Overflow ... ( http://bit.ly/1DqSmp5 )
13:31 ascii_field with extra lulzy part, that http://stackoverflow.com/a/569151 is catastrophically braindamaged and will segfault, guaranteed
13:31 assbot c++ - Why is memory still accessible after std::map::clear() is called? - Stack Overflow ... ( http://bit.ly/1IhZqnd )
13:31 ascii_field (iterators are invalidated by deleting element)
13:31 trinque hm wrong Anduck, nvm
13:33 diametric !up ascii_field
13:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20292 @ 0.0005053 = 10.2535 BTC [-] {2}
13:41 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17908 @ 0.00050374 = 9.021 BTC [-] {3}
13:53 mircea_popescu "A blockchain explorer has ONE JOB: to show its users valid blocks and transactions. Blockchain.info does not do this. It's worse than worthless; it's deceptive."
13:54 mircea_popescu i agree. bc.i is a pile of useless css.
13:54 mircea_popescu irrespective of what "venture capital" it has wasted to date.
13:55 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29435 @ 0.00051228 = 15.079 BTC [+] {4}
13:56 ascii_field the whole notion of ten thousand people hanging off the teat of ~one~ node is braindamaged
13:56 mircea_popescu they weren;t supposed to run one node
13:56 mircea_popescu meanwhile it turns out they lied,
13:57 mircea_popescu and so forth.
13:57 ascii_field all the turdation nodez may as well be one.
13:57 mircea_popescu there's a difference between these two situations.
13:58 mircea_popescu anyway. piuk can go dangle, i have very little respect left for his competence
13:58 mircea_popescu technically, intellectual or otherwise
14:00 punkman http://sockpuppet.org/blog/2015/08/04/is-extended-random-malicious/
14:00 assbot Is Extended Random A Malicious NSA Plot? — Quarrelsome ... ( http://bit.ly/1InnpPs )
14:01 ascii_field finally, names ^^
14:02 ascii_field mircea_popescu ^
14:02 mircea_popescu aha
14:03 ascii_field 'The U.S. Government has these special requirements that you wouldn’t understand. Since they’re a government, they needn’t explain themselves, and we’re not going to explain either.'
14:03 mod6 !up ascii_field
14:04 punkman "GnuTLS had support for OpaquePRF. Someone should ask Simon Josefsson why. OpaquePRF was very simple, so maybe he wrote it for sport."
14:04 mircea_popescu fucking backwards
14:04 mircea_popescu *I* don't need to explain myself.
14:04 mircea_popescu governments - do.
14:04 mircea_popescu they're the first ones that do.
14:05 mircea_popescu and wtf name is "Clyde Frog"
14:05 ascii_field http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Clyde+Frog <<?
14:05 assbot Urban Dictionary: Clyde Frog ... ( http://bit.ly/1IW6sRL )
14:06 punkman "If I call NSA “Clyde Frog” long enough, eventually other people will too. Someone has to start the meme! "
14:06 ascii_field ^
14:06 mircea_popescu bullshit.
14:06 mircea_popescu and ftr, the nist ec crapolade was ALWAYS regarded as suspiciouys at best "by people in the business"
14:07 mircea_popescu not "since snowden"
14:07 ascii_field the question of 'what prng to use' has never differed from the question of what kind of animal's shit to smear in wounds
14:07 ascii_field yes, medieval doctors may have debated, horse vs cow
14:08 mircea_popescu anyway. i don;t know who this guy is and don't care what he [thinks he] may have to say on the topic.
14:09 ascii_field mircea_popescu: looks to me like he's trying to unearth names/faces
14:09 ascii_field how well - can't say
14:09 mircea_popescu there's going to be none of this "two bit idiot" http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-make-money-on-the-internet-while-pretending-you-know-what-youre-talking-about-and-accumulating-a-legion-of-mindless-followers-for-fun-and-profit/ A/B-and-spam approach to "credibility"
14:09 assbot How to make money on the Internet while pretending you know what you're talking about and accumulating a legion of mindless followers - for fun and profit! on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1InoNBI )
14:09 mircea_popescu ascii_field he is starting in the wrong place and therefore may never succeed.
14:10 * ascii_field does not know where 'right place' is, so won't comment
14:10 mircea_popescu let me formalize this for reader's benefit.
14:10 mircea_popescu 1. take a complex situation C about which propositions may be formed Pi which are decidably correct or false through a T(Px) function.
14:12 mircea_popescu 2. take a list L of actors Lj , who decide (D) on which P to rely, and are scored by function S(Lx), according to the impact of their reliance on false P (which is uncomputable at all points before running S)
14:12 mircea_popescu 3. create a set S of twobitidiots Sk, who put forth statements Q about various P, so that the actual T(Q(Px)) is normally distributed over the list S.
14:13 mircea_popescu in this model, the fact that Sy displays any score on the basis of his past emitted Q is no proof of anything.
14:14 mircea_popescu in particular no trust or crediblity may attach to that record, for the simple reason that THAT IS HIS FUCKING JOB.
14:14 ascii_field 'stopped clock'
14:14 mircea_popescu the entire list S exists so that "credible" S's can appear so that selected Ls can be fucked over.
14:14 ascii_field like our german ?
14:14 mircea_popescu which one ?
14:15 mircea_popescu in any case : i am not valuing nor even reading "opinions" of anon folk ie Qs.
14:16 ascii_field mircea_popescu: the 'phuctor debunked' german
14:16 mircea_popescu specifically because if one of these is not open to challenge, he is ipso definition an S. and anons are ipso definitio not open to challenges
14:16 mircea_popescu ascii_field like the whole swathe of "bitcoin experts", and also like "cryptography experts" of the ilk of some nobody in particular running "socklpuppet.org"
14:17 mircea_popescu anyway. this argument is both too complex to be readily "intuited" by the children and also its results are deeply inconvenient to their wants and expectations (mostly of playing the spy and generalsly speaking "mattering" in their own head), and so i don't expect the S process to go away. it's prolly going to be productive enough to become a mode of "culture" on the interwebs.
14:19 mircea_popescu at the very margin, this discussion reduces to the discussion of al schwartz' lack of access to measuring processes, if you recall it.
14:19 mircea_popescu because yes, if science were "open to all comers" in this sense, it'd just get ddos'd into the shit by S's.
14:20 ascii_field see also the maths profs shredding unsolicited fermat 'proofs' unread
14:20 ascii_field (also in same thread iirc)
14:20 mircea_popescu aha.
14:21 mircea_popescu anyway. makes for great tumblr stars, goes splendid for an ama, can prolly retire to doing voice-overs for "did you know" factoid tv/nature show.
14:21 mircea_popescu so it's a living, best of luck.
14:23 mircea_popescu but derived from it, a decent pseudo-AI project would be to make a long list of propositions, sort them in a thousand or so lists (ie blogs) and "publish" "articles".
14:23 mircea_popescu probably can live off the subscriptions.
14:23 ascii_field mircea_popescu: the one twist is, as far as i can tell, most of these 'plowing flies' disinfo agents are... unpaid
14:24 mircea_popescu which is why i propose to do the job with a computer. it's plowing, there's no reason to pay for it.
14:24 mircea_popescu let the tractor plow.
14:24 ascii_field iirc already proposed in the mircea_popescu article re: reddit spam
14:24 mircea_popescu lower lever there, but yeah.
14:24 ascii_field also alan sokal
14:25 mircea_popescu imo the entire menagerie, orlov, yarvin, whoi have you are simply doing this by hand
14:25 ascii_field o & y don't really belong in the picture
14:26 ascii_field (not that they are honest people, necessarily - but not shannonizers)
14:26 mircea_popescu ascii_field if you recall, i challenged orlov and he came out with "I am a robot doing the above".
14:26 mircea_popescu literally.
14:26 ascii_field wai when
14:26 mircea_popescu when we discussed the "inflation in romania" factual error in one of his articles.
14:26 ascii_field link ?
14:26 mircea_popescu and i also challenged yarvin, who... kept silent.
14:26 mircea_popescu which i color to mean the above.
14:26 ascii_field he's been silent entirely
14:26 ascii_field for some years now
14:26 * mircea_popescu goes to dig the link up
14:27 ascii_field they started paying yarvin to shut the fuck up
14:27 ascii_field recall ?
14:27 decimation it didn't help
14:27 ascii_field 'helped' in the basic sense of 'no more mold buggered'
14:28 decimation specifically I'm thinking of him being booted from that conference
14:28 decimation where he was gonna talk about urbit
14:28 ascii_field he probably got a stern talk about that
14:28 ascii_field 'you promised, no more sedition, recall?'
14:29 decimation yeah but his blog was already dead for at least a year or two
14:29 mircea_popescu holy shit i confused one blogspot for another!
14:29 decimation 'no more past either'?
14:29 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-02-2014#481156 << this is what i had in mind
14:29 assbot Logged on 05-02-2014 03:57:45; mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids if you care, http://fofoa.blogspot.ro/2010/07/debtors-and-savers.html is formally incorrect on the listing of romania
14:29 mircea_popescu not orlov is it
14:30 mircea_popescu dear peoiple : seriously, stop with the google blogs. you're indistinct.
14:30 mircea_popescu but otherwise, i have to strike the foregoing. i never challenged orlov.
14:31 ascii_field they keep blogs in public toilets, yes
14:31 ascii_field for similar reason as to why mircea_popescu doesn't want to buy his isp trunk line
14:32 decimation in yarvin's case I always thought it was attaching irony to google.com
14:32 decimation but also because poor/cheap/google is 'free'
14:32 ascii_field free timewise
14:32 ascii_field many folks can't be arsed to administer a box
14:35 mod6 !up ascii_field
14:35 decimation as yarvin wrote: "An Internet server is, above all, a massive fortified castle in alien zombie territory."
14:37 ascii_field two basic but imho entirely separate problems with mr mold - a) he wasn't entirely mentally clean of usg to begin with ( most of mircea_popescu's observations fall into (a)) b) he was approached, as early as 2010, and told 'your crackpot os will be funded and you can sleep ad libitum, but there is a price'
14:37 mircea_popescu jurov s.qntra shares added.
14:38 decimation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZNzz4SaTYk
14:38 assbot Los Angeles, November 2019 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1IKxv0G )
14:38 * ascii_field will transmit s.nsa broadcast when he gets home
14:38 mircea_popescu ascii_field i don't see anything directly wrong with that model.
14:38 ascii_field it is my working hypothesis, at any rate
14:38 decimation ascii_field: and if b happened it almost certainly was at the foot of peter thiel or one of his cronies
14:39 ascii_field decimation: we more or less know it was thiel
14:39 mircea_popescu what did he get anyway ? 20 billion ?
14:39 ascii_field iirc is was south of 15m
14:39 mircea_popescu if that bunch of watsap scammers got 20bn, i have no idea why anyone would take less than 10 bn a head from usg.
14:39 ascii_field just enough to sleep ad libitum
14:40 ascii_field mircea_popescu: he took what was given
14:40 mircea_popescu gotta keep up the prices.
14:40 mircea_popescu i never heard of anyone sleeping as you say through "Taking what was given"
14:40 mircea_popescu ya know ?
14:40 ascii_field the alternative package probably involved feeding his wife and children to pirannhas
14:40 mircea_popescu heh. if only.
14:40 decimation nah, just let inflation eat
14:41 ascii_field he was, if anyone recalls, freshly broke
14:41 decimation he did beg
14:41 ascii_field after ~8 yrs of sleep-ad-libitum
14:41 mircea_popescu wanna bet this one won't take 4 ?
14:41 ascii_field already 5
14:41 mircea_popescu those 8 years were started in a much better time for usg.
14:41 mircea_popescu o ? well then!
14:41 decimation well, given that his project has a gigantic red target painted on the side for all amateur-political enforcers
14:42 ascii_field mircea_popescu: he's part of the annointed caste now. if the dough runs out, can dilute the shares, etc
14:42 ascii_field more or less ad infinitum
14:42 mircea_popescu lol
14:42 mircea_popescu so i take it the leaky submarine's still being worked on ?
14:42 ascii_field it is
14:42 ascii_field i get daily crapolade in the mailbox still
14:42 ascii_field (can't be arsed to read... for a while now)
14:42 mircea_popescu tbh, it has all the makings of a great DoD "investment"
14:43 mircea_popescu can't be made, most people can't figure out why.
14:43 ascii_field missing important attributes for this
14:43 ascii_field accessibility to flies
14:43 mircea_popescu you did just say you get daily inbox flies ?
14:43 ascii_field (not many flies are fluent with hindley-milner type system)
14:44 mircea_popescu but SOME are. and if those are the ones you want...
14:44 ascii_field mircea_popescu: same 6 or so bozos working still
14:44 decimation he had some hire working in his closet I thought
14:45 ascii_field he had some bloke as live-in human compiler, aha
14:45 decimation the spirit of the thing seems right: let's bail on the internet as it is a god foresaken hellhole
14:45 decimation the problem is that computers as-existing are in the same box
14:45 ascii_field it was never a good candidate for dod sc4m4tr0n because included too much of mr mold's 'thinking man likes to use his brain' masturbatronic element
14:46 mircea_popescu the dod is changing.
14:46 mircea_popescu us army used to consist of ... soldiers. now it's mostly acneic tomboys of indeterminate gender wanting to play counterstrike
14:46 decimation it would have been interesting as a dod project back in 1980
14:46 ascii_field decimation: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1390 << see also.
14:46 assbot Loper OS » Of Decaying Urbits. ... ( http://bit.ly/1IKyhL9 )
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14:46 decimation yeah I've read it. I even attempted to learn urbit, before much good documentation was abvailable
14:49 mircea_popescu ascii_field http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1390&cpage=1#comment-8502 << can you translate this to some sort of english i might understand ?
14:49 assbot Loper OS » Of Decaying Urbits. ... ( http://bit.ly/1IKyApd )
14:49 mircea_popescu it seems more akin to some sort of performance act than speech.
14:49 ascii_field the bozo comment ? nope
14:49 ascii_field it was shannonizer all the way
14:50 ascii_field classic style btw
14:50 mircea_popescu i guess it must be ?
14:50 ascii_field mircea_popescu ought to recognize it
14:50 ascii_field 'we just have different goalz!!'
14:50 mircea_popescu my usual approach to reading text of unknown origin is not so different from the pagerank algorithm, whereas the meaning of discourse nodes (words, generally) is narrowed by the other nodes in the graph until the whole thing collapses into something.
14:50 scoopbot_revived MPEx (S.MPOE) July 2015 Statement http://trilema.com/2015/mpex-smpoe-july-2015-statement/
14:50 mircea_popescu or fails in one of the well known modes.
14:50 mircea_popescu this thing just stays paste.
14:51 ascii_field i can't translate, but can offer a barf bag.
14:51 * ascii_field offers bag to mircea_popescu
14:51 mircea_popescu aite.
14:52 decimation he links to a word-salad blog
14:52 decimation "More: Understand that our teetering, broken, stringy technology stack was written by Boomers, mostly, and other people who didn't know any better. Charitably, the technology wasn't mature, though the luminaries and prophets of the era would vigorously disagree. We're inheriting it, along with the pride of a lifetime's work; rather than take it behind the barn and shoot it, let's gently put it out to pasture and ...
14:52 decimation ... emulation. "
14:52 mircea_popescu i wonder if this is related to the "feelings driven" pseudo cultural economy.
14:52 ascii_field philippino!
14:55 jurov mircea_popescu: one qntra share is missing, it makes together 10601, i got 10600
14:56 jurov or, better, tye report is wrong?
14:57 jurov yes, it's 11220 together
14:58 jurov derp no,it's me
14:58 jurov nevermind
15:08 asciilifeform !up ascii_field
15:09 ascii_field 'SYSLINUX 4.06 EDD 4.06-pre12 Copyright (C) 1994-2012 H. Peter Anvin et al' << noticed today
15:09 ascii_field (as pertaining to http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=02-08-2015#1222148 )
15:09 assbot Logged on 02-08-2015 16:29:55; mircea_popescu: they have in common being either dumb per se or else i nthe crosshairs of the manacling-with-dumb cannon.
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15:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45042 @ 0.00051834 = 23.3471 BTC [+] {4}
15:26 punkman http://www.zdnet.com/article/bitdefender-suffers-data-breach-customer-records-stolen/ are these daily now
15:26 assbot Bitdefender suffers data breach, customer records stolen | ZDNet ... ( http://bit.ly/1MKA6u6 )
15:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42900 @ 0.00050342 = 21.5967 BTC [-]
15:39 oglafbot http://oglaf.com/nostrum/
15:39 assbot Nostrum ... ( http://bit.ly/1MKBU6c )
15:39 oglafbot http://oglaf.com/medallions/
15:39 assbot Beef Medallions ... ( http://bit.ly/1MKBU6k )
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16:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44200 @ 0.000522 = 23.0724 BTC [+]
16:37 punkman fucking ants everywhere digging holes through my walls, I think I need to call a professional
16:38 fluffypony punkman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWdKf3MneyI
16:39 assbot Marvel's Ant-Man - Trailer 1 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1SJZqV0 )
16:39 punkman how the fuck do ants cut through concrete?
16:40 jurov they don't, they fly in
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16:41 jurov or it's not actually concrete but cardboard
16:45 punkman wondering if they are building something like this in my walls http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-vnFStMEUOl0/Tsp-BV8ew6I/AAAAAAAABG0/-M34xXmw1Y8/s1600/Nest+Archeo.jpg
16:45 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1SK12OC )
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17:00 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23900 @ 0.00050815 = 12.1448 BTC [-] {4}
17:00 jurov i prefer to wonder when they learn to live in symbiosis with spiders
17:04 jurov !up afreakk
17:11 punkman !up bad_duck
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17:28 danielpbarron http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-08-2015#1224509 << I was trying to figure out what this urbit dukedom thing was, in in so doing found this -> http://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0xB36AE9849D961AC9 << I met this guy at porcfest / he was the only one there who also had his GPG fingerprint on a business card; we signed eachothers keys :D
17:28 assbot Logged on 04-08-2015 18:46:36; assbot: Loper OS » Of Decaying Urbits. ... ( http://bit.ly/1IKyhL9 )
17:28 assbot Search results for '0xb36ae9849d961ac9' ... ( http://bit.ly/1K2GHtV )
17:29 danielpbarron https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/urbit-dev/KNkFS_34P_I << this is him also selling his thingy
17:29 assbot Google Groupes ... ( http://bit.ly/1K2GOpl )
17:29 asciilifeform !up ascii_field
17:29 ascii_field danielpbarron: fare is a well-known fella
17:30 ascii_field from (back in the stone age!) the 'tunes' project
17:30 danielpbarron i got my picture with him
17:30 ascii_field which (i learned many years later) was quite like what i want to do, except that they did not (to my knowledge) understand hardware and - it involved a few dozen people (!) who agreed on virtually nothing
17:31 ascii_field http://tunes.org << the ruins
17:31 assbot TUNES OS/Language Project ... ( http://bit.ly/1K2H0EW )
17:32 ascii_field he sold his almost immediately after i did, iirc
17:32 ascii_field btc fell, so he got roughly 2x
17:32 ascii_field or no, not quite
17:33 ascii_field i asked for fixed bag, he - auctioned
17:33 ascii_field (and btc fell)
17:33 ascii_field (by how much - i don't recall)
17:34 ascii_field https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/urbit-dev/for$20sale/urbit-dev/PvXo1t7uNrY/ik5e-9b-cNwJ << where i sold mine
17:34 assbot Google Groupes ... ( http://bit.ly/1K2Hpah )
17:35 ascii_field https://groups.google.com/d/msg/urbit-dev/qgxfZ-I-nJ4/q6mKVUA7b1oJ << obligatory, the mega-flamefest that followed
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17:35 assbot Google Groupes ... ( http://bit.ly/1K2HryV )
17:36 ascii_field and l0l, they censored some of my posts
17:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56216 @ 0.00051709 = 29.0687 BTC [+] {5}
17:36 ascii_field but not the quoted text!
17:36 ascii_field go figure.
17:37 ascii_field 'In what universe does it make cryptologic sense to keep an unchanging key around for years (decades? optimistically - centuries?) on end?' >> i said this to mr mold and i said it also to mpex !
17:37 ascii_field and it bears repeating.
17:39 danielpbarron http://i.imgur.com/4ZFQKYn.jpg << me and fare
17:39 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1MKVVJV )
17:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48900 @ 0.00052503 = 25.674 BTC [+] {4}
17:44 decimation ascii_field: std::vector is enraging
17:44 ascii_field https://groups.google.com/d/msg/urbit-dev/RoQrSFJ_M9o/ca3-nbSuIc0J << moar, for aficionados
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17:44 assbot Google Groupes ... ( http://bit.ly/1K2Ioax )
17:44 decimation there's no mechanism for "malloc" instead - only "calloc"
17:47 decimation because apparently the c++ committee couldn't imagine a use case where you would like to allocate memory but would rather write to it yourself
17:47 danielpbarron oh, on a somewhat related note: the reason I even met Fare was because I suspected that he was friends with one of my assassin targets (turned out to be false intel) so I struck a conversation with him to confirm or deny my suspicion
17:48 danielpbarron (i met a LOT of people this way)
17:49 danielpbarron i had tracked one of my targets down and found him in the main assembly space, and was prepared to follow him out (as you cannot kill someone under the roof of an offical event) but then I saw Fare walk in and I didn't want him to see me following the guy, so I walked up to him instead, and in so doing, lost my actual target :/
17:50 ascii_field danielpbarron: he was a relatively early 'computer sucks and must be rebuilt' person. sadly, i've no idea what he is up to these days.
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17:50 danielpbarron well I gave him my card with my fingerprint and url to my website (that links mostly to b-a stuff)
17:51 danielpbarron we also emailed eachother signed keys, and I told him to get in the WoT, but he hasn't replied to that
17:51 ascii_field prolly for same reason al schwartz didn't
17:52 ascii_field and, dollars to doughnuts, that reason is 'that place must be about bitcoin, i don't have any and how the everliving fuck would i ever get any, what am i to do there'
17:53 danielpbarron i don't recall what I said to him, but I'm sure I explained the WoT as I did with most people I met there
17:53 ascii_field notice the tidbit mircea_popescu spilled earlier: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=04-08-2015#1223911
17:53 assbot Logged on 04-08-2015 05:09:06; mircea_popescu: in other news, review of various wallets etc shows that most of my bitcoin are over 500 days old. holy shit i need larger blocks imminently!
17:54 ascii_field if this is so, it means that ~everyone who has subscribed to mpex~ is 'early adopter'
17:54 BingoBoingo Oh printer ink market is dying http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-08-04/epson-is-about-to-solve-the-most-annoying-problem-with-inkjet-printers
17:54 assbot Epson Is About to Solve the Most Annoying Problem With Inkjet Printers - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1MKYj3j )
17:54 ascii_field BingoBoingo: nubbins` had this for years
17:55 ascii_field but more generally, inkjet is a scam from day 1
17:55 ascii_field there is not an elixir to make it into anything other than a scam
17:55 BingoBoingo ascii_field: Sure, but now nubbinsisms are apparently being targeted at lusers
17:55 ascii_field the printheads, for instance, are typically designed to fail rapidly
17:55 ascii_field so they can buy printheads
17:55 ascii_field 'but it isn't an ink cartridge! stfu and buy'
17:55 ascii_field classic sc4mz0r switcheroo
17:56 * BingoBoingo back in school when needed to print switched to "laser" after buying second black scamjet cartridge
17:56 decimation ascii_field: http://www.cartesianco.com/ < they use 1980's era inkjet cartridges to 'print circuits'
17:56 assbot Cartesian Co ... ( http://bit.ly/1MKYwU8 )
17:56 decimation apparently a binary system: silver nitrate and asorbic acid
17:56 decimation shelf life: 6 months
17:56 ascii_field ancient history
17:56 ascii_field and works about as well as you'd expect
17:56 ascii_field (massive impedance)
17:57 decimation I can't imagine it would work well
17:57 decimation most other circuit printers use silver 'nanoparticles'
17:57 ascii_field ever make 'resistor' with pencil as a boy ?
17:57 ascii_field precisely this
17:57 decimation which suck even more, but have longer shelf life
17:57 ascii_field it is gimmicky crap, all of it
17:57 decimation yeah I would like to hear 'adult use'
17:58 ascii_field none
17:58 ascii_field and don't expect any.
17:59 decimation they are 'iterating' toward a solution, you see
18:00 decimation at any rate I"m not sure why anyone would want to 'startup' electronics hardware manufacturing - especially board-level stuff
18:00 decimation the margins are razor-thin even if you have adult gear
18:00 decimation !up ascii_field
18:01 ascii_field 'macrofab' went in the entirely other direction (using slaves)
18:01 decimation that seems like a much better solution actually
18:01 ascii_field costwise
18:01 ascii_field quality-wise - not so much
18:01 decimation well, it depends on quality of slave - and his instructions
18:02 ascii_field smt parts were not designed to be placed by hand
18:02 decimation my understanding is that their 'special sauce' is that they are able to print very detailed instructions for slave to follow
18:02 decimation but still need human to execute instructions.
18:07 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-08-2015#1224554 << some actually can do this.
18:07 assbot Logged on 04-08-2015 20:40:56; jurov: they don't, they fly in
18:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51300 @ 0.00052935 = 27.1557 BTC [+] {4}
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18:31 BingoBoingo !up ascii_field
18:34 mircea_popescu ;;ticker
18:34 gribble Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 285.61, Best ask: 285.81, Bid-ask spread: 0.20000, Last trade: 285.61, 24 hour volume: 12327.26729006, 24 hour low: 281.25, 24 hour high: 285.94, 24 hour vwap: None
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19:14 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15963 @ 0.0005081 = 8.1108 BTC [-]
19:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21033 @ 0.000516 = 10.853 BTC [+] {3}
19:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41200 @ 0.00050177 = 20.6729 BTC [-]
19:30 jurov http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-08-2015#1224121 heh
19:30 assbot Logged on 04-08-2015 14:10:12; mircea_popescu: "considering how sparkling he was in english, reading the flat clumps of russian slag he puts out was quite the disappointment"
19:31 jurov cue http://lojban.org
19:31 assbot Lojban ... ( http://bit.ly/1DrRe4M )
19:31 jurov "a constructed language based on predicate logic"
19:31 danielpbarron flat clump of slag you say?
19:32 jurov lenin, the first eulorian
19:33 danielpbarron http://www.dianacoman.com/Eulora/fcos.html
19:33 danielpbarron (a very useful ingredient)
19:34 jurov плоский слиток шлакa
19:38 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11055 @ 0.00052743 = 5.8307 BTC [+] {4}
19:41 jurov perhaps better: сгусток шлакa
19:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16100 @ 0.00053309 = 8.5827 BTC [+] {2}
19:53 mircea_popescu in the same vein, http://40.media.tumblr.com/dc5617142344a8a695c2367e21a5e726/tumblr_mq2205wTMc1szbpdho1_1280.jpg
19:53 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1E6KdRU )
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20:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50700 @ 0.0005168 = 26.2018 BTC [-]
20:26 BingoBoingo http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhK9j5aY3lFfCD9036
20:27 assbot Needed Her Money: Alleged Prostitute Rides On The Hood Of A Cop's Car! | New Video ... ( http://bit.ly/1IWz0e0 )
20:41 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98235 @ 0.00051292 = 50.3867 BTC [-] {4}
20:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 145274 @ 0.00050124 = 72.8171 BTC [-] {3}
20:49 scoopbot_revived US DoD May Surrender Substantial IPv4 Address Territory http://qntra.net/2015/08/us-dod-may-surrender-substantial-ipv4-address-territory/
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20:50 BingoBoingo Loosing to ISIL and the Internet
20:50 BingoBoingo *Losing
20:51 BingoBoingo Loosing comes later... in the ass
20:55 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12976 @ 0.00049661 = 6.444 BTC [-]
20:58 BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all
20:58 gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 284.13, vol: 6222.69687933 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 280.56, vol: 5019.50454 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 285.08, vol: 11510.87784978 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 291.84, vol: 0.51593653 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 283.61277, vol: 10554.99960000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 282.7, vol: 36.60723768 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 286.027924, vol: 32.92292037 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
20:58 BingoBoingo ;;more
20:58 gribble 283.757614044
20:58 BingoBoingo Needs moar drama
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21:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47900 @ 0.00050801 = 24.3337 BTC [+]
21:38 decimation no, you see bitcoin is unusable because the btc/usd price swings wildly
21:39 BingoBoingo ;;bc,stats
21:39 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-08-2015#1224678 << wanna bet this will be parcelled out for strictly nominal fee (if any) to favourite sons? just like fucking radio spectrum
21:39 assbot Logged on 05-08-2015 00:49:46; scoopbot_revived: US DoD May Surrender Substantial IPv4 Address Territory http://qntra.net/2015/08/us-dod-may-surrender-substantial-ipv4-address-territory/
21:39 gribble Current Blocks: 368449 | Current Difficulty: 5.227830484559168E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 368927 | Next Difficulty In: 478 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 17 hours, 37 minutes, and 30 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 47150109359.0 | Estimated Percent Change: -9.80941
21:39 BingoBoingo Seems like the most stable thing
21:41 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> ... << wanna bet this will be parcelled out for strictly nominal fee (if any) to favourite sons? just like fucking radio spectrum << Probably not yet. This seems like a clean return to keep the fire burning. Now later...
21:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20594 @ 0.00052819 = 10.8775 BTC [+] {3}
21:47 decimation there are plenty of other class A blocks
21:47 decimation the 'shortage of ipv4 addresses' is strictly imaginary
21:47 asciilifeform all ultimately controlled by the 'international komyooonity' aka usg
21:48 decimation not all of them, some are controlled by us corps
21:48 decimation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_assigned_/8_IPv4_address_blocks
21:48 assbot List of assigned /8 IPv4 address blocks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ma9YIW )
21:48 decimation MIT has a whole class A
21:49 asciilifeform whole list consists of direct crown subsidiaries of usg
21:50 asciilifeform almost a literal catalogue of'em
21:50 asciilifeform e.g., 'general electric', 'at&t'
21:50 asciilifeform 'ford motor'
21:50 asciilifeform 'halliburton'.
21:50 decimation heh ham radio still has 44/8
21:50 decimation I have a few of those
21:51 * BingoBoingo thinks 2 meter band has promise. Still needs to get radio.
21:51 decimation BingoBoingo: it's kinda like slightly less retarded CB
21:51 decimation I find shortwave to be more interesting
21:52 decimation but it takes years of 'reading logs' to know what's on there
21:52 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: you may also discover the little 'secret' re: how ham folks keep usg from selling their spectrum to the highest bidder (or most favourite son)
21:52 BingoBoingo Sure, but on the used market there seems to be some actually interesting rigs made for it with broad listening spectrum.
21:52 decimation asciilifeform: it's a big deal, hams know their number is up
21:52 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: you may also discover the little 'secret' re: how ham folks keep usg from selling their spectrum to the highest bidder (or most favourite son) << The part where cellular is worthless?
21:52 asciilifeform as for shortwave, virtually nobody owns their band properly speaking - the crackpot stations lease a time slot (typically, weekly)
21:52 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: the part where they work as amateur stoolies for usg
21:53 BingoBoingo Ah
21:53 asciilifeform ratting out spectrum violators
21:53 asciilifeform to the point where usg proper barely ever has to hunt for'em
21:53 decimation my understanding is that the fcc doesn't give a fuck unless it interferes with broadcast radio or aircraft
21:53 asciilifeform or licensee complains
21:53 decimation yes, usg has been spoiled
21:53 asciilifeform which is what usually happens
21:54 decimation asciilifeform: they do more than just report 'pirates'
21:54 asciilifeform they actively drive around, do the gruntwork, triangulate
21:54 decimation for instance: http://www.arrl.org/grow-light-rfi
21:54 assbot Grow Light RFI ... ( http://bit.ly/1MaabvT )
21:54 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 104159 @ 0.0005338 = 55.6001 BTC [+] {2}
21:54 decimation yeah, because usg is too lazy to do it
21:54 decimation who else is gonna keep people off their bands
21:54 decimation apparently 'grow lights' are extremely terrible rfi generators
21:55 decimation to the point that they can effectively jam shortwave for miles
21:55 decimation hams complain to the fcc: why aren't you cracking down on noisy-ass producers?
21:55 asciilifeform i'd be surprised if there weren't some usg collusion with the manufacturers
21:55 decimation hehe that's possible
21:55 decimation hams would be the last to know
21:56 asciilifeform there is nothing intrinsically noisy re: fucking lamp
21:56 asciilifeform srsly
21:56 decimation there is if you are a dumbfuck
21:56 asciilifeform what are they using, arc lights ?
21:56 asciilifeform it is 1870 now ?
21:57 decimation apparently extremely shitty ballasts on florescents
21:58 asciilifeform usg could interdict at customs. doesn't. no prizes for guessing why.
21:58 asciilifeform poor idiots, broadcasting 'i am growing weed!' for miles
21:58 decimation http://www.w0qe.com/RF_Interference/grow_light_electronic_ballasts.html < details
21:58 assbot Grow light electronic ballasts ... ( http://bit.ly/1MaaqqD )
21:59 decimation "Being anonymous and trying to fly under "the radar" is not easy when you are generating this much RF interference. The fourth item in the table was 1/2 mile away and still was easily heard on 40 meters.
21:59 decimation (7 mhz)
21:59 decimation yeah actually if the conditions are right you could pick that stuff up from 1000 miles away
21:59 decimation spams the entire world
22:00 decimation ah apparently they use 1000w high pressure sodium lights
22:01 decimation I can't imagine that these lights are installed safely
22:02 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> poor idiots, broadcasting 'i am growing weed!' for miles << I remember freshman year of undergrad being high as fuck reading about infared indentification of marijuana and not realizing till I sobered up that they were talking grow lights and not smoke.
22:02 asciilifeform l0l
22:02 BingoBoingo <decimation> ah apparently they use 1000w high pressure sodium lights << Best part of spectrum for plant growth.
22:03 BingoBoingo Then change color temperature to maximise flowering
22:03 decimation sure, but to handle that kind of power you really should use 220v circuits
22:03 decimation and non-shit magnetic ballasts, cost $$
22:03 BingoBoingo Depends on scale? Maybe scale demands 660 volt or 1.3kilovolt?
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22:04 decimation well, I'm assuming most installations use several of these 1000w units
22:04 decimation but if you are going to do it industrially, than 480v three-phase
22:04 decimation using 208v single phase strings
22:06 BingoBoingo Honestly by now I'd expect them to embrace the LED efficienty or build their own reactors.
22:06 decimation I think they do make LED grow lights but then you are talking $$$$
22:07 decimation https://www.blackdogled.com/phytomax800.html < 800w for $2.34k
22:07 assbot PhytoMAX 800 LED Grow Lights | Black Dog LED Growing Lights ... ( http://bit.ly/1MaaJln )
22:08 BingoBoingo There's always $$$ involved in industry.
22:09 decimation yeah but high pressure sodium is less than $500
22:09 decimation granted, it's less efficent, but you gotta invest for the long term to make back that kind of money
22:10 BingoBoingo Lighting really doesn't need that much time to roi.
22:10 BingoBoingo Anywhere really
22:16 decimation well, it appears to cost 5x up front for roughly double the efficiency
22:16 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33956 @ 0.00053373 = 18.1233 BTC [-]
22:18 BingoBoingo And then add time and a low IR signature
22:19 asciilifeform BingoBoingo, decimation: after a certain energy cost, the balance tips to 'grow it in goatfuckistan and fly in on horizon-hugging drone'
22:19 decimation heh it still produces 2730 btu
22:19 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Of course
22:20 asciilifeform or for that matter, let transgenic e.coli piss out the active ingredients of the dope
22:20 asciilifeform (e.coli don't need sunlight)
22:20 BingoBoingo decimation: If serious though why go for apparatus designed for "grow"
22:20 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> or for that matter, let transgenic e.coli piss out the active ingredients of the dope << Soon
22:20 asciilifeform or not
22:21 asciilifeform i can hardly think of any industry more idiotically hidebound than the dope folks
22:21 decimation I suspect if were simple it would have been done already
22:21 BingoBoingo There's already opiate shitting e. coli probably it will take one niche at a time.
22:22 asciilifeform for instance, where are the u.s. coast guard interdictors sunk by quadcopter-borne demolition charges ?
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22:22 asciilifeform or did they succeed in keeping this under wraps
22:22 decimation same thing. I think they still grow poppies for us opiate industry
22:22 BingoBoingo <decimation> I suspect if were simple it would have been done already << Why no 7nm junction consumer chips?
22:22 decimation because it's neigh impossible to scale euv light sources?
22:23 asciilifeform decimation: poppy is cheaper - but only when there are no armies coming at you for growing'em
22:23 asciilifeform (cheapest still when there are armies ~defending~ your fields - e.g., u.s. army in afghan)
22:24 asciilifeform the common belief in ru, i will note, is that usg involvement in afghan is ~strictly, solely~ so that ru cities are rotted with heroin
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22:24 asciilifeform i will not say that this is factual
22:24 asciilifeform but i will also not say that it is an unfounded belief
22:25 decimation I suspect that usg isn't too heartbroken over it
22:25 asciilifeform they did help afghan restart opium
22:25 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> (cheapest still when there are armies ~defending~ your fields - e.g., u.s. army in afghan) << Medical poppy in India, Culinary poppy in Eastern Europe, and Recreational poppy in Afghanistan
22:25 decimation well, what else are they gonna grow? dirt?
22:25 asciilifeform dirt.
22:26 asciilifeform pushing opium at the untermenschen is a long, proud anglo tradition.
22:26 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> the common belief in ru, i will note, is that usg involvement in afghan is ~strictly, solely~ so that ru cities are rotted with heroin << US pretty rotten with heroin too. DEA pressure on doctors and economy will do that.
22:26 asciilifeform u.s was rotting with it in 1910
22:26 asciilifeform in ru it was virtually ~unknown~ until '90s
22:26 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19986 @ 0.00051451 = 10.283 BTC [-]
22:27 BingoBoingo Back in 1910 US was rotting with tincures of opium. Now Zohydro is stocked to the gills in most pharmacies.
22:27 asciilifeform the internashnal komyoooonity helped to change this.
22:27 decimation according to wikipedia it's not legal to grow poppies for food seed/paste
22:27 asciilifeform any more than hemp, for rope.
22:28 decimation http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-07-2015#1205975 < jurov got me interested in the european 'poppy bread'
22:28 assbot Logged on 18-07-2015 21:13:26; jurov: and its brother makovník, best stuffed by so much poppy seed that it makes you very sleepy
22:28 decimation http://dobruchut.azet.sk/recept/6087/makovnik-a-orechovnik/
22:28 assbot Makovník a orechovník - Dobruchut.sk ... ( http://bit.ly/1MabGdq )
22:29 decimation asciilifeform: surely in ru/ukraine they have something similar
22:29 asciilifeform could've sworn i had this dish here
22:29 asciilifeform in good old mordor
22:29 asciilifeform but it was probably from an importer
22:29 decimation yeah, you can buy poppy in safeway
22:29 decimation poppy seeds
22:29 BingoBoingo Most "medical" opiates come from Indian latex and EU straw. Seeds aren't an economicaly viable source of drug product.
22:30 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> but it was probably from an importer << ROasted seeds are happily imported en mass.
22:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83767 @ 0.00051451 = 43.099 BTC [-] {2}
22:33 BingoBoingo www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/08/04/russia_locust_invasion_swarms_of_locusts_devastate_crops_defy_government.html << Meanwhile no US news stories on the molds which are going to reduce North American grain yields substantially this year.
22:33 decimation yeah it's been terribly wet in the midwest
22:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21900 @ 0.0005285 = 11.5742 BTC [+] {4}
22:36 BingoBoingo I'd use a stronger word than terribly, but... local fields look like shit. Shit corn and god only knows if the soy will produce beans before becoming silage. I expect the mold to cause more than a few dairy die offs when it makes it to silage.
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22:36 decimation yeah makes sense. looks like usg's weather bureau is calling for a cold and wet winter for the southern half of the us
22:37 BingoBoingo Winter doesn't really matter much in the scheme of things outside the California desert.
22:37 decimation not as far as food productiong goes, no
22:37 decimation florida too
22:38 BingoBoingo Dry summers kill crops. Hot wet summers kill crops. The best a we winter does here is offers crops a marginal head start.
22:39 BingoBoingo This year though with the water so far has been awfully bad for orchards.
22:40 BingoBoingo Peach trees are splitting left and right.
22:40 decimation amusingly california is still lacking water
22:40 decimation although it looks like the colorado river will be up
22:40 BingoBoingo They knew it was a desert fuck them
22:40 BingoBoingo Just like the rest of Aztlan
22:41 BingoBoingo In a month and a half it will be interesting to see if edible apples happen this year.
22:45 BingoBoingo If the apple trees start breaking up like the peach trees when they put out fruit this year that will be a double whammy rare, takes a decade to catch up damage.
22:49 BingoBoingo Winter 2013-2014 we got weeks of subzero weather, but no lasting damage. Summer 2012 mega-drought (by midwest standards) best peaches ever no lasting damage. This year with a bit cooler than normal summer and lots of rain... it looks like shit is going to be expensive for a while
22:51 decimation eh, people will just get apples from new zealand
22:51 decimation or chile
22:52 BingoBoingo Maybe? Or perhaps they just won't get apples because economy.
22:59 BingoBoingo !up jordandotdev
23:00 decimation what brings you here jordandotdev?
23:01 ben_vulpes what brings you /back/, jordandotdev?
23:01 * ben_vulpes is alive, barely
23:01 jordandotdev I don't know it was in my autojoin channels list
23:01 jordandotdev haven't logged into irccloud in a few weeks
23:05 BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: WHat ails you? Kittens? Puppies?
23:06 decimation ragweed?
23:06 ben_vulpes an surfeit of things to do and people to do them
23:06 ben_vulpes a*
23:06 ben_vulpes <mircea_popescu> increasingly, becoming a problem i nthe us, too. << tell me about it
23:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25971 @ 0.0005145 = 13.3621 BTC [-] {4}
23:08 BingoBoingo Has giant ragweed made it that far north yet?
23:08 BingoBoingo https://archive.is/nrX72 << Moar streaming, Moar copyrastas
23:08 assbot Major League Baseball just signed a huge deal to stream NHL content | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1DoOO75 )
23:09 mircea_popescu proposed BingoBoingo boxing partner http://41.media.tumblr.com/966fea39212db8797c6799648e7d8025/tumblr_n2ea5m0ZnX1ss63vyo1_1280.jpg
23:09 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1DoOR2R )
23:09 * BingoBoingo may lose, but would be ok with that
23:09 mircea_popescu to lose is to win!
23:09 BingoBoingo It really is.
23:13 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-08-2015#1224763 << yeah, you really want "triphased" ie 380v
23:13 assbot Logged on 05-08-2015 02:03:47; BingoBoingo: Depends on scale? Maybe scale demands 660 volt or 1.3kilovolt?
23:13 mircea_popescu which, in europe, costs the asking.
23:13 mircea_popescu in south america simply can't be had period
23:13 mircea_popescu i imagine in the us it costs note from stalin
23:14 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: you got mailz
23:14 asciilifeform (broadcast!)
23:14 mircea_popescu cool!
23:15 decimation in us you must have 'note from local stalin' ie zoning board
23:15 decimation and/or local electric monopoly
23:15 * BingoBoingo waiting for mails. Doing the dance again with Uni to set up job interview. This time as customer service god. Would once again take cheapest of accomodations available for the lulz.
23:16 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13031 @ 0.00050581 = 6.5912 BTC [-]
23:18 decimation interesting europe does use 380v
23:18 decimation weird
23:18 asciilifeform in same places as usa - 240
23:18 mircea_popescu yes. why weird ?
23:18 BingoBoingo http://www.bnd.com/news/local/crime/article29918518.html << Apparently US bullets don't kill anymore? Or false flag?
23:18 assbot Shiloh police investigating gunshots fired toward tavern | Belleville News-Democrat ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ijlo9i )
23:18 mircea_popescu europe uses 220 for residential, 380 optional. or otherwise you can get a 2 or 5kv industrial line.
23:18 decimation mircea_popescu: because usa uses 480v
23:19 decimation for industrial three-phase
23:19 mircea_popescu i think the usa 480 is used in place of the 2kv myeah
23:19 BingoBoingo Fuck it, I want the raw shit before it hits the transformer. I want to light my abode with an arc stretching across the room.
23:20 mircea_popescu not os healthy.
23:21 asciilifeform http://i.imgur.com/KgCCvTC.jpg
23:21 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1DoQspk )
23:21 BingoBoingo Ozone isn't as bad as the cigarettes I already smoke
23:21 asciilifeform ^ in the city where i wurk
23:21 decimation us actually uses 240 for residential but it's delivered in two phases which are split at the panel. but it's common to use the full 240 for dryers and large equipment
23:21 asciilifeform according to fishwrap, some schmuck argued with gurl. policeman busted in. he snapped, drew pistol, shot gurl, then self in the head, brainz in all directions
23:22 decimation wait, schmuck or policeman?
23:22 asciilifeform schmuck
23:22 mircea_popescu i'm not entirely clear why the thiord phase is 160 rather than 110 in eu syste, but anywya
23:22 * BingoBoingo can't wait till Fergusonversary
23:22 asciilifeform possibly all the police in the county ended up at the scene. largely standing around and looking busy
23:23 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the lower number is generally root-mean-square
23:23 asciilifeform the higher, peak to peak sine
23:23 asciilifeform this is the basic confusion of voltage oddities
23:23 mircea_popescu doesn't seem to fit
23:23 mircea_popescu but i'm too lazy to actually figure it, so.
23:23 BingoBoingo That was a good parking garage http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/officers-won-t-face-charges-in-fatal-shooting-at-mizzou/article_5e355582-020d-564a-b61c-9348bf74194b.html
23:24 BingoBoingo And further a lol only socialism can bring http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/st-louis-sues-own-civil-service-commission-over-reinstatement-of/article_ff9a4c8e-9783-5d43-aefb-f52aa07180d9.html
23:24 assbot St. Louis sues own Civil Service Commission over reinstatement of police officer : News ... ( http://bit.ly/1DoQRrK )
23:24 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: approx., rms ~= 0.7071 * peaktopeak
23:24 asciilifeform e.g., rms(170) ~= 120, the u.s. traditional
23:25 decimation yeah for example in us 3-phase 480 volt, half (phase to neutral) is 240
23:25 decimation which is what is split off and run to house
23:25 asciilifeform (1/sqrt(2) for the curious)
23:25 decimation typically ac voltage is worked in rms, because it acts like dc
23:25 asciilifeform aha
23:26 asciilifeform or rather, the rms value is the one which makes any sense to use in calculation of wattage
23:26 decimation yes
23:26 * decimation didn't take power engineering in ee school; had other things to worry about
23:26 BingoBoingo Fuck it, it has been a while http://slashdot.org/submission/4733189/dod-surrenders-large-legacy-ipv4-allocation
23:26 assbot DoD Surrenders Large Legacy IPv4 Allocation - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1DoR7ad )
23:27 decimation my understanding is that europe it is common for ee's to be forced to work in actual 'electrical trade' for a time
23:27 decimation along side 'electricians'
23:27 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: it is about as 'shocking' as when usg 'surrendered' the 'strategic helium reserve' to smiths's detection corp. to make neutron detectors to sell back to usg/dhs
23:28 decimation I found it disappointing that having an ee degree counts for nothing when designing wiring for your house
23:28 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: it is a traditionally american type of graft, practiced enthusiastically and mostly openly since george washington
23:28 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: You don't understand. If Assad did this the rope would be on Ebay
23:28 asciilifeform l0l
23:29 decimation asciilifeform: go try to pull an electrical permit from pg county on the basis of your degrees
23:29 asciilifeform decimation: aha, it is a guild thing
23:29 asciilifeform no apprenticeship, no permit
23:29 asciilifeform go and get license to practice medicine on the basis of, whatever, nobel in biology
23:29 asciilifeform same idea.
23:29 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo cool beans
23:29 decimation indeed.
23:30 BingoBoingo <decimation> my understanding is that europe it is common for ee's to be forced to work in actual 'electrical trade' for a time << In hometown I once pulled permit to fuck with wiring by saying "Hey mayor Joe, sign this"
23:30 mircea_popescu asciilifeform actually in ro they let you do it.
23:30 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: hey, in ru you can even get driver license for a benjie
23:30 asciilifeform (no exams, etc)
23:31 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Not on front page yet, but may as well submit since no one else took this low hanging tomato
23:31 asciilifeform almost a 'litmus' for orc lands
23:31 asciilifeform can you get license without ever having touched a steering wheel
23:31 decimation asciilifeform: you should try that in pg county
23:31 decimation I bet it would work
23:31 mircea_popescu nah, the idea is that if you get a good enough achievement, you get auto-diploma or w/e.
23:31 mircea_popescu i got to bypass normal college entrance exams because olympiads.
23:32 decimation us knows nothing like this
23:32 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: this is the basic 'orc' mechanism - someone had the liberty to say 'this kid passes, because fuck all of you'
23:32 mircea_popescu so yeah, can practice medicine on basis of nobel prize.
23:32 asciilifeform in usa this is unthinkable
23:32 mircea_popescu nah, it was a rule per se.
23:32 decimation absolutely unthinkable
23:32 decimation think of all the bureaucrats that would suddenly be powerless
23:32 mircea_popescu quite.
23:32 asciilifeform even ~actual~ medical degree from, e.g., ussr, is specifically not recognized by usg
23:32 mircea_popescu which is the very poiint of it.
23:32 asciilifeform doesn't matter how many decades of practice
23:33 decimation asciilifeform: yes, same for pharmacists & other medical 'trades'
23:33 mircea_popescu iirc had that too. if decades of practice, valid degree by default.
23:33 asciilifeform (i suppose the entrails of untermenschen differ from those of aryans, hence degree doesn't count)
23:33 mircea_popescu might have been thrown out meanwhielk tho
23:33 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: https://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/2015-August/078072.html << l0l
23:33 assbot Leak or legit ? 11/8 ... ( http://bit.ly/1IjnxBP )
23:36 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-08-2015#1224790 << the deal is, the us keeps pretending like it's fighting and in exchange the cartels keep pretending like they're fighting too.
23:36 assbot Logged on 05-08-2015 02:22:02; asciilifeform: for instance, where are the u.s. coast guard interdictors sunk by quadcopter-borne demolition charges ?
23:37 mircea_popescu the idiotic non-violent behaviour of ruminants is not limited to ruminants. nobody really aims to gore the other party.
23:37 mircea_popescu except maybe us, allegedly.
23:37 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: my (admittedly limited) understanding is that usg play-fights with ~some~ organizations, and ~actually~ interdicts others
23:37 mircea_popescu maybe
23:38 mircea_popescu it's a game. who do they actually interdict, the "criminal" "biker gangs" ?
23:38 mircea_popescu even that got negotiated away.
23:38 mircea_popescu pencildicks wanna use the heads. because dicks frangible.
23:38 decimation they do when the papers say embarassing things
23:38 decimation embarassing to bureaucrats
23:38 decimation otherwise the bureaucrats don't give a fuck
23:39 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-08-2015#1224797 << if you can you must and all that. recall the discussion.
23:39 assbot Logged on 05-08-2015 02:24:30; asciilifeform: the common belief in ru, i will note, is that usg involvement in afghan is ~strictly, solely~ so that ru cities are rotted with heroin
23:39 asciilifeform dope from 'favourite sons' - passes. from less-favourite - interdicted, to keep the jailatron lubed, and the high priesthood supplied with coke
23:39 mircea_popescu heroin is really the perfect answer to the overpopulation problem.
23:39 mircea_popescu reddit can't resist it, so...
23:40 asciilifeform perfect answer to ~the other fella's~ 'overpopulation' yes
23:40 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Cloud cleanses all historicity
23:40 asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2014#544231 << see also
23:40 assbot Logged on 04-03-2014 01:44:19; asciilifeform: or mrs. thatcher's 'we need no more than 15 mil. russians. to service the pipeline.'
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23:40 mircea_popescu everyone's.
23:40 ben_vulpes !s unable to join
23:40 assbot 0 results for 'unable to join' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=unable+to+join
23:40 mircea_popescu the problem is simply this : as you get successful you get fat, and that fat is then... coming to expect.
23:41 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> it's a game. who do they actually interdict, the "criminal" "biker gangs" ? << Much of this demographic is USG. Not in the informant sense, but USG peeps needed meanign in their lives.
23:41 ben_vulpes has anyone else compiled the maxint patch and received db.log errors of "unable to join environment"?
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23:42 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: please post your debug.log
23:42 BingoBoingo ^
23:42 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: i have not observed this, no
23:42 decimation asciilifeform: did you figure out how you are gonna 'free' the data pointed to by map?
23:42 asciilifeform got 3 (well, 3 public, 1 test platform) nodez running, with patch
23:42 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-08-2015#1224830 << will make hfcs just fine
23:42 assbot Logged on 05-08-2015 02:36:09; BingoBoingo: I'd use a stronger word than terribly, but... local fields look like shit. Shit corn and god only knows if the soy will produce beans before becoming silage. I expect the mold to cause more than a few dairy die offs when it makes it to silage.
23:42 asciilifeform decimation: yes
23:42 mircea_popescu and besides, there's plenty stockpiled
23:42 asciilifeform decimation: not ready for primetime yet
23:43 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: http://dpaste.com/0W6AR1C
23:43 assbot dpaste: 0W6AR1C ... ( http://bit.ly/1IjoJoM )
23:43 decimation in which cpp file is the allocation stuff?
23:43 asciilifeform this is actually why only prices of ~food-grade food~ rise in usa
23:43 asciilifeform of the recycled food - never
23:43 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Can make HCFS, but... less of it. Far less ears on the corn than I expect to see.
23:43 asciilifeform decimation: nowhere. implicit destructor
23:44 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: it stops here ?
23:44 decimation my uni was across the river from massive hfcs plant. every day whole *trains* of hfcs tank cars would leave the station there
23:44 asciilifeform decimation: i often watch the trains go by, where i live. often, whole train is this.
23:44 asciilifeform prolefeed.
23:44 decimation asciilifeform: lol no wonder 'leak'
23:45 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: i don't even see it doing anything with strace
23:45 ben_vulpes i'll try to nuke some state and come back with more useful information.
23:46 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: you mentioned an error ?
23:46 asciilifeform where does it appear
23:46 asciilifeform i don't see it in the paste
23:46 ben_vulpes db.log, sir.
23:46 asciilifeform plz post?
23:46 asciilifeform (historically, i've found that fatal problems with db typically come from a dirty death)
23:47 ben_vulpes http://dpaste.com/2W61D9D abridged
23:47 assbot dpaste: 2W61D9D ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ijpcr6 )
23:47 asciilifeform which is why bitcoin has to be prevented from crashing, at more or less any cost
23:47 ben_vulpes myes, i agree.
23:47 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: ~which~ patch did you apply ?
23:47 ben_vulpes however the build i made on 7-15 with the dumpblock patch boots from the same datadir.
23:47 ben_vulpes maxint_locks
23:47 asciilifeform link?
23:48 mircea_popescu asciilifeform did you check this sig ?
23:48 mircea_popescu gpg: Signature made Wed 05 Aug 2015 12:13:13 AM ART using RSA key ID 01ABFFC7
23:48 mircea_popescu gpg: WARNING: signature digest conflict in message
23:48 mircea_popescu gpg: Can't check signature: general error
23:48 asciilifeform !
23:49 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: hash of plaintext?
23:49 mircea_popescu 65865b6fdb76424c2535cf7a5f203fc88a541927e3e113db5c26a82e8a0561a8ca428ebe6611b1122f5ebc88c6bf3a3bcf1306ecfb1f4b4af29200967de43fc1
23:50 asciilifeform sha512?
23:50 ben_vulpes the first, asciilifeform
23:50 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: does not match mine!
23:50 mircea_popescu asciilifeform no nm, false alarm.
23:50 mircea_popescu the hash:sha512 line got mangled.
23:50 asciilifeform l0l
23:51 asciilifeform what a downer
23:52 asciilifeform was hoping, glass cannon fired.
23:52 decimation asciilifeform: so the basic problem with the map is that it never goes out of scope?
23:52 asciilifeform decimation: the point is that .clear() doesn't invoke the destructors
23:52 ben_vulpes asciilifeform: did you find a reason why maxint wouldn't work, or is the second patch just using mircea_popescu's lock values for 'myzteeri0us reezuns'?
23:52 asciilifeform this is apparently well-known to habitual users of 'boost'
23:52 decimation ah, this is a feature of 'boost'?
23:52 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: go get the first (not 'CORRECTED') version of the patch
23:53 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: it uses maxint
23:53 mircea_popescu sorry but that
23:53 asciilifeform and see what it does on your box.
23:53 ben_vulpes that's the one i'm using!
23:53 asciilifeform ahahahahaha
23:53 asciilifeform that's why yer node is dead
23:53 asciilifeform guessed as much.
23:53 ben_vulpes ...
23:53 ben_vulpes so i am to expect that patches arriving in the ML aren't even tested now?
23:53 asciilifeform it was tested!
23:54 asciilifeform and correction was posted minutes later
23:54 mircea_popescu lol
23:54 asciilifeform recall, flagship nodes were wedged
23:54 asciilifeform was a very rushed thing.
23:54 ben_vulpes "here's a fix"
23:54 ben_vulpes "does it work?"
23:54 ben_vulpes "let me see"
23:54 asciilifeform see logz
23:54 asciilifeform srsly, ben_vulpes managed to install the uncorrected patch in the minutes between it and the new one ??
23:54 ben_vulpes plz for to slightly more detail in patchdescs.
23:54 decimation oh I thought this was all about the stl map, not boost unordered map
23:54 asciilifeform did not read logz?
23:55 mircea_popescu asciilifeform he still has a point. a) we're careening dangerously towards -dev levels and b) people can't fucking follow wtf is on that list.
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23:55 asciilifeform just 'here's a patch, i'd better eat it'
23:55 ben_vulpes started at ml, canonical information repository.
23:55 ben_vulpes second patch contained a link to mp's "dis wat i do, yo"
23:55 ben_vulpes so ofc i /try/ first patch
23:55 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: he does have a point. and normally i include some 'work of literature' with these
23:55 asciilifeform but world was on fire.
23:56 mircea_popescu you know world is on fire to that degree pretty much weekly.
23:56 ben_vulpes not even a note in correction about "lol sry first patch doesn't work"
23:56 asciilifeform eh no. my nodez ran from ignition until wedge day
23:56 BingoBoingo <asciilifeform> was hoping, glass cannon fired. << Might never fire
23:56 mircea_popescu so you're new.
23:57 asciilifeform ben_vulpes: if there is every any symptom of folks reading the ml but not #b-a, it might be worth considering to use the ml as something other than a file dumping ground for #b-a
23:57 ben_vulpes here's your indication!
23:57 asciilifeform at any rate, ben_vulpes is invited to fill in the gap and write literature for this piece
23:58 asciilifeform i gotta eat. brb
23:58 ben_vulpes not that i'm not infinitely indebted to you for unwedging my coracle but a hint of context'd be useful.
23:58 mircea_popescu the ml process needs some reviewing. it's sort of grown organically to a point where it's troublematic.
23:59 ben_vulpes say it again.
23:59 mircea_popescu for one thing, most everyone but us has a stable and a testing list.
23:59 mircea_popescu i can appreciate the heroism of "fuck you, it's all stable". but then that comes at a cost.
23:59 mircea_popescu the more common cop out is "fuck you, it's all testing".
23:59 mircea_popescu that stance may come with a cost to the ego.
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