#trilema | 2015-07-03

Why Facebook wants to get inside your brain ... ( http://bit.ly/1gdZ47E )

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the bullshit never ends

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Since Facebook's 2012 IPO, it has needed a compelling "story" to tell corporate investors, says IBRS analyst Guy Cranswick. << btw the new meaning of the quotation mark in english is herein lie lies

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4175 @ 0.00052027 = 2.1721 BTC [+] {2}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43050 @ 0.00052161 = 22.4553 BTC [+] {2}

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ffa

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whoops

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101950 @ 0.00052295 = 53.3148 BTC [+] {2}

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http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2015/7/cnn-to-broadcast-corporate-propaganda-as-news.html << "news-like" content

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CNN to Broadcast Corporate Propaganda as News? | Al Jazeera America ... ( http://bit.ly/1HAL4AS )

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something suitable for the human-like creatures eating food-like matter on a couch-like object in a home-like hovel they quasi-own

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lulzily, continuing old thread http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1181581 , http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/7/1/us-cuba-embassy.html

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Logged on 30-06-2015 04:33:53; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1181553 << yes, there will be plenty of 'work' to be had there, re-converting the island back into a u.s. bordello as it was in batista's time; 'privatizing' and demolishing the spiffiest pharama plants in the western hemisphere; shipping the best doctors to drive cabs in nyc; etc

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US, Cuba to Reopen Embassies | Al Jazeera America ... ( http://bit.ly/1HALG9P )

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or rather, http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/7/1/how-to-resolve-american-property-claims-in-cuba.html

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How To Resolve American Property Claims In Cuba? | Al Jazeera America ... ( http://bit.ly/1HALMy9 )

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(why not the claims of old spain? of indians?)

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in that case I'd like to claim my family's pre-mussolini wealth from italy

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adjusted for inflation, please.

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01:27

More of Reddit punching itself https://archive.is/x1dPs

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Why was /r/IAmA, along with a number of other large subreddits, made private? : OutOfTheLoop ... ( http://bit.ly/1f7tqbQ )

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22600 @ 0.00052728 = 11.9165 BTC [+]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61800 @ 0.00052728 = 32.5859 BTC [+]

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[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 248 @ 0.00429723 = 1.0657 BTC [+] {3}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35248 @ 0.00051161 = 18.0332 BTC [-] {2}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54000 @ 0.00051147 = 27.6194 BTC [-]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65650 @ 0.00051469 = 33.7894 BTC [+] {2}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28445 @ 0.00052969 = 15.067 BTC [+] {2}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10150 @ 0.00053093 = 5.3889 BTC [+]

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jurov: if you want a couple pogos i can send them to you

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davout yes, 2 pcs?

06:53

sure

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pm me a postal address and i'll send them

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how much per?

06:55

well, zero

06:55

lolk

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<Vexual> how come u get free shit?

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!up Vexual

06:58

whaddaya know, maybe davout owes me some ...er... favors?

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or me to him?

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Vexual btw, if you have played eulora, you could have 1337 satoshi per day... for free

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plus some utterly vexing and hapless dreams gratis

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you're dreaming eulora?

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yea

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woah

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that usually means its good

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and i'm not alone

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i must say im more than a little intigued, even discounting the favours you mentioned

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34250 @ 0.00053093 = 18.1844 BTC [+]

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you too, jurov?

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(^ ^)

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is it as you nod off, or during rem?

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i only remember morning dreams, so rem perhaps

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only other game I can remember dreaming about is original Doom

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probably does mean it's good or compelling in some way

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once I'm done with Witcher 3, I want to see if I can make some progress in figuring it out

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16450 @ 0.00053093 = 8.7338 BTC [+]

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HeySteve: there's mining delay in eulora now, so you can multitask :D

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!up julmac

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julmac

:o

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hello

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the thing about Witcher 3 is you can amass a huge inventory of weird parts, like monster tongues and bits of string

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but there's no experimenting in what you can make from them

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is it multiplayer witcher?

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!up Vexual

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"whats it all about?" "just try it" <when did games become like lsd?

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no it's not, Vexual

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yeah i googled it, i felt a bit silly typing "is witcher multiplayer"

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http://www.dianacoman.com/ << btw what is eulora about

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Ossasepia ... ( http://bit.ly/1IUJLHM )

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i spilled some doritos for effect

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oooh, screenshots, thanks

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http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/11/pepsi-is-testing-doritos-flavored-mountain-dew/382542/

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Why, Why Is Pepsi Testing Doritos-Flavored Mountain Dew? - The Atlantic ... ( http://bit.ly/1IUK05z )

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64200 @ 0.00052465 = 33.6825 BTC [-]

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Vexual discovers Foxy's Useful Items shop

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chairs for the head is a pillow?

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16100 @ 0.00052568 = 8.4634 BTC [+]

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headstool?

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flotsam i get

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https://www.flickr.com/photos/foildesign/4163142997 << a true eulorian

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ok i read backwards, but i wont read day 1

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faark theres a cookbook (tm)

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gin looks good

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i'll take two cruddy hos and a clump of fat slag please

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we have only ordinary slags

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its an actual head chair

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oh flat, sorry, i misread

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yes. you must take a photo with a chair on the head to receive it ingame

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i cant even

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and don't ask me about demeaning urabihs harness

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now i must

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what is it?

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very advanced stuff

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as diana_coman can testify

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32271 @ 0.00052558 = 16.961 BTC [-] {2}

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thanks for the insight conman

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she wore out several of them

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jurov got pms both from vexual and diana :DDD

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not gonna answer them, come out there

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!up Vexual

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diana_coman: do you still have the harness pic somewhere?

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!up diana_coman

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thanks jurov

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and lol, I actually did not manage to wear out even one of those

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very solid for a piece of thread basically :)))

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but Vexual, why not just come in game and have a look?

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no ass status

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!gettrust assbot muxne

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muxne is not registered in WoT.

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!gettrust assbot Vexual

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Vexual is not registered in WoT.

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so just register?

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well, yes

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what kinda machine is reqd?

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for the game

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35600 @ 0.00053093 = 18.9011 BTC [+]

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uhm, nothing special real, just a decent (not even very new or anything video card

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there was some concrete info on this in the last post on trilema I think

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thanks

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jurov osx?

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btw Vexual, once you get it, you might want to come by to me as I can give you some stuff to get started

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get in*

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yeah, i might need to find some flotsam before i find some flotsam

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is it bandwidth heavy?

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I did not really check it, but if it works even in this neck of the woods, it can't really be

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lol, u run on tin cans too?

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sometimes pretty much, yeah

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6836 @ 0.00052465 = 3.5865 BTC [-]

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http://www.cnbc.com/id/102799503

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... ( http://bit.ly/1LYVCb2 )

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"Survey says: 35 percent of Americans would expatriate"

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yeah they wash up here like flotsam

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24273 @ 0.00052136 = 12.655 BTC [-] {2}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3774 @ 0.00051917 = 1.9593 BTC [-]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90392 @ 0.00050635 = 45.77 BTC [-] {4}

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101008 @ 0.00049542 = 50.0414 BTC [-] {4}

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09:36

lul "As much as Victoria is loved, this reaction is not all a result of her departure: there is a feeling among many of the moderators of reddit that the admins do not respect the work that is put in by the thousands of unpaid volunteers who maintain the communities of the 9,656 active subreddits, which they feel is expressed by, among other things, the lack of communication between them and the admins, and their disregard of the thou

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oh no the reddit owners treat the tens of thousands of people that work for them for free as slaves!

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184469 << this has *always* gotten up my nose

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Logged on 02-07-2015 20:44:30; ascii_field: 'getdata is used in response to inv... ...t can be used to retrieve transactions, but only if they are in the memory pool or relay set - arbitrary access to transactions in the chain is not allowed to avoid having clients start to depend on nodes having full transaction indexes (which modern nodes do not).'

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wait why don't they have the transactions?

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or is it just saying that they aren't databased efficiently?

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such a thing would be needed for the 'private wallet query service' that ascii and I discussed last night

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decimation: now is when i confess to a quarter-implemented blockchain->relational db importer

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attn aspiring asseteers!

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>.>

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if you had the whole blockchain querieable in postgres, you could infer account balances in the usual fashion and sell reads over a pg connection

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yeah, or any relational database

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like bdb for instance

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has anyone verified the full chain as puked out from asciilifeform's `shitblock`?

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I just now got connected to mp's node so i guess i got to start over

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huh bdb is actually relational?

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i was under the impression that it was either not relational or was only being used in bitcoind as a kv store

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p. sure the transaction indices were tossed for space saving reasons aka shitgnomery

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37900 @ 0.00050923 = 19.2998 BTC [+]

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ah you are right, it isn't relational, it's just a key value hash

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fucking kv stores

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I can see 'saving space' for the transactional table, but why also keep the blockchain in binary form?

09:54

i've lost weeks, months of my life to the unqueriability of mongo and phriendz

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I suspect satoshi intended on making a transactional database using the block .dat files at a later date

09:55

the whole thing should be in sqlite at the very least

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shitgnome bitcoin devs never bothered apparently

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aye

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but perhaps there's a good reason for writing the blocks directly to disk that i'm not grasping

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yeah I don't grasp it either

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other than 'wanting a backup copy'

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ben_vulpes does not see the problem with hashing values queried directly out of the db

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or using it to feed another tool, like has been accomplished

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mongo is the hotness these days

09:57

if you're storing as the appropriate ints, floats, doubles, strings etc

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you can even derp the raw binary into pg if you're so inclined

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decimation: i'm finally seeing the tide receed from mongo's highwater

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recede

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yeah, there are situations where 'nosql' is appropriate, but plenty of situations where you want structured queries too

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no man

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i've yet to see the real world problem that a nosql db was actually the right solution to that wasn't actually a cacheing/cdn problem

09:58

heh

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(and even that can be handled by mother postgres at rather high efficiencies these days)

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the only situation I can imagine is if you have a gigantic pile of disorganized data, that probably has a structure

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nosql can be used to sort through your shit into a proper db

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or if you are trying to be google

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dude if it has a hint of structure it belongs in a relational db

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otherwise you're going to start running the kind of braindamaged queries your 'nosql' layer support and then glomming it all together into something representing a query in application code

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well, yeah that's the real-world situation.

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much like any c project eventually grows a miserable half-assed implementation of an eighth of common lisp any nosql project eventually tries to implement relational alggebra

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I'm suggesting an intermediate step where you query your nosql db properly and place the results into a structured relational db

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but yeah I bet most people using 'nosql' just want caches

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and because none of them were designed for that in the first place because a) it's hard and b) fucking retards write nosql stores for hackernooz points the algebraic layer turns out to never actually work. or it locks everything up while running queries that a real db would plan handle like a boss

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184581 << and fucking how

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Logged on 02-07-2015 21:36:09; phf: maze of twisty little passages, all alike

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^ also note most people are unwilling to pay for something who knows how to db

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s/something/somebody/

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man you can get a sql user (not an expert, mind you, but someone who understands it has used it and can avoid common retardations) at half time for approximately half the cost of some hotshit "full stack developer" who thinks mongo's a good idea

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you'll spend less, they'll work less, and your systems will be vastly better for not having mongo in them

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I would pay more for someone who didn't know how to program 'front-end'

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ben_vulpes to breakfast with meatfriends

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have a good day

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more later, i have 2 hours of ferry ride coming up

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44050 @ 0.00051648 = 22.7509 BTC [+]

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28150 @ 0.00052134 = 14.6757 BTC [+]

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184610 << aye aye

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Logged on 02-07-2015 22:19:21; ascii_field: it was screamingly stupid from day 1.

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184638 << asciilifeform, could i get a re-link to that piece on SIDS/implied infanticide?

10:50

Logged on 02-07-2015 22:27:27; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184001 << well, look it up. there's a present risk of suffocation, and most sudden infant death correlates with shared sleeping arrangements. baby should have a cot, something. even if it's just a sling hanging off a hook by side of your bed.

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1184817 << paha goodness

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Logged on 03-07-2015 01:24:07; asciilifeform: meanwhile, in turdmeisterdom, http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-dev/logs/2015/07/03#l1435884599.0

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LTC:USD sell = 4.08, buy = 4.11, last = 4.08; high = 4.13, low = 4.00, avg = 4.07 || via BTC-e on 2015-Jul-03 15:06:03 Z

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that hearn

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https://i.imgur.com/WCdOpg6.jpg

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... ( http://bit.ly/1NBVa31 )

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http://i.imgur.com/yzeVd1R.png

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... ( http://bit.ly/1UhIKCB )

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scoopbot_revived

Hits and misses of Ted "The Unabomber" Kaczynski. http://www.contravex.com/2015/07/03/hits-and-misses-of-ted-the-unabomber-kaczynski/

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kakobrekla

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-33378778 << The Catholic Church wrote in comments submitted after the bill was proposed: "Should freedom of expression go so far as to mean that the identity of a person of faith can be freely insulted, then personal freedom - as individuals or groups - is undermined."

11:44

Iceland makes blasphemy legal - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1UhMCDq )

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kakobrekla

just like coinbase.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLYszpvyED4 oh god...

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Interview with Rashida Jones on Her Porn Documentary 'Hot Girls Wanted' - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1UhMKmu )

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resyncing to the mp node only, I am impressed with the speed at which I am syncing.

11:46

thesis: maybe porn should be regulated so 18 year old girls can't do torture porn because maybe they're being exploited

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14500 @ 0.00051648 = 7.489 BTC [-]

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http://rt.com/news/271435-kuwait-abuse-dna-database/

I also like that it doesn't use up a fuckton of memory and bandwidth during sync xD

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kakobrekla

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... ( http://bit.ly/1dCv6Z8 )

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34400 @ 0.00051671 = 17.7748 BTC [+]

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!up ascii_field

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52754 @ 0.0005188 = 27.3688 BTC [+] {2}

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http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185169 << published ?

12:38

Logged on 03-07-2015 13:47:19; ben_vulpes: decimation: now is when i confess to a quarter-implemented blockchain->relational db importer

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;;later tell mircea_popescu 332732+

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The operation succeeded.

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51346 @ 0.00050632 = 25.9975 BTC [-] {2}

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;;later tell ben_vulpes http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185228 << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-06-2015#1174632

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Logged on 03-07-2015 14:50:54; ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184638 << asciilifeform, could i get a re-link to that piece on SIDS/implied infanticide?

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Logged on 24-06-2015 23:15:25; gribble: Sarah Blaffer Hrdy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Blaffer_Hrdy>; Sarah B. Hrdy — Anthropology: <http://anthropology.ucdavis.edu/people/sbhrdy>; An Interview with Sarah Blaffer Hrdy on Mother Nature - Scientific ...: <http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/primate-diaries/raising-darwins-consciousness-an-interview-with-sarah-blaffer-hrdy- (1 more message)

12:41

The operation succeeded.

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;;later tell ben_vulpes have you considered a blockchain to... s-expression ! tool

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The operation succeeded.

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(persist to disk with something like 'elephant')

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13:00

eric michael johnson is good blogger, thanks for link :)

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<mats> thesis: maybe porn should be regulated so 18 year old girls can't do torture porn because maybe they're being exploited << Honestly the documentary's content doesn't seem to support that point even though it advocates that point.

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scoopbot_revived

Survey: More Than a Third of American Adults Would Expatriate http://qntra.net/2015/07/survey-more-than-a-third-of-american-adults-would-expatriate/

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mats: The actual evidence filmed supports the thesis that given the opportunity no one wants to work in fast food.

13:10

"As there seems to be a political consensus in the U.S. around raising minimum wage to $12-15/hour, if we assume that Americans as a whole will respond to economic incentives in the same way as those who live in Puerto Rico, presumably the 50 states in 10 years will look like Puerto Rico today"

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^greenspun rehashing the 'usa becomes africa just like it always wanted' thing from the logs

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he reads 'em !

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pete_dushenski waves to phil

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37000 @ 0.0005095 = 18.8515 BTC [+]

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"We have 50 million people getting food stamps. What if, for at least one meal per day, those 50 million people were invited to come to a social meal? The same deal with SSDI. We could offer enhanced SSDI benefits for those who move to an “SSDI party village” where at least half of the neighbors are also on SSDI."

13:14

!up ascii_field

13:14

pete_dushenski: link ?

13:14

ok, that's kinda a lulzy idea...http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2015/07/03/can-puerto-rico-be-a-laboratory-for-the-future-of-the-rest-of-the-u-s/

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'What if, for at least one meal per day, those 50 million people were invited to come to a social meal?' << kolhoz !!

13:16

this 'ssdi party village' sounds like a soviet full moon party

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except that those folks ~worked~

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sure, like kibbutz

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like everywhere without straight iv dole

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want to eat ? first, work.

13:17

'straight dole' only works if coolies are breaking their backs somewhere

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or if bezzlars are being magicked into existence

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which, i suppose, only works when those bezzlars are being traded to back breaking labour across the pond somewheres

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s/to/for

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http://www.patentlyapple.com/patently-apple/2015/07/apple-working-on-new-apple-pay-wallet-service-for-person-to-person-financial-transactions.html

13:26

Apple Working on new Apple Pay Wallet service for Person-to-Person Financial Transactions - Patently Apple ... ( http://bit.ly/1Iz7DoE )

13:27

^usg tries to make p2p bitcoin transactions only legal using x in y place

13:27

sorta a decentralised circle

13:27

not gonna fly, obviously, but hey, rat always tries to swim before sinking

13:29

pete_dushenski: ted k. had a book!

13:29

pete_dushenski: written from jail. mega-recommended

13:29

did not know that !

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i knew of his two auto-biographies from his youth and early middle age

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pete_dushenski: 'Technological Slavery'

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00051722 = 1.6551 BTC [+]

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ascii_field: will add to roster of your mega-recommendations

13:31

rise of early modern science is on shelf

13:31

other b-a books include mp-advised 'secret life of dali'

13:31

i dare say mr k's thing is a bit more... current

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in the sense of applicability to pete_dushenski's favourite subjects

13:33

then a huntin' i shall go, a huntin' i shall go, hi ho the marry-o, a huntin' i shall go.

13:33

now, plenty of folks predicted 'computer tyranny' - e.g, weizenbaum (of 'eliza' !) in his '70s 'computer power and human reason' - but,

13:33

afaik nobody predicted that ~dysfunctional~ computing would be the mechanism

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well, 'dysfuntional' is a matter of perspective, isn't it

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237k+

13:34

pete_dushenski: in the sense of 'sorry, wasn't us, it was this bug'

13:34

computers aren't rakes nor tractors, but they're fantastic noise machines.

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78900 @ 0.00051722 = 40.8087 BTC [+]

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in other nyooz, apparently 'reddit' has imploded and replaced with a very similar service, 'voat.co'

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Indeed.

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so voat.co/r/redditard ?

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Well voat.co/v/redditard

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looks like a straight clone

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pete_dushenski: computers aren't rakes nor tractors << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=22-06-2015#1172051

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Logged on 22-06-2015 13:43:47; punkman: "Poole said that one neighbor using self-driving technology downloaded a software update that disabled his tractor for a week in the middle of planting season this spring. If a system is working, farmers will often hold off on updates rather than risk complications"

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ascii_field: It's a workalike. Apparently had a few previous names it burned through before they decided to just wait for reddit to kill itself.

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punkman: ah yes, how farmers don't own the tools of their trade. sad story, that.

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!up ascii_field

13:46

can't wait for the first famine directly traceable to winblowz

13:47

yeah, I was talking with a farmer once, apparently john deere etc are investing heavily in fully autonomous tractors

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because 1/1000 is too many working on the farms

13:47

in other nyooz, http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/07/01/nz_swings_banhammer_at_trolls

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With Hobbit and LoTR in the can, Trolls no longer welcome in New Zealand • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1FYu4NH )

13:48

i'm holding out for the john deere tin woman

13:48

maybe in the future all farms will be owned by ADM, dept of usg agriculture

13:48

actually I would pay good money for a robot that could wonder through a yard and pull weeds

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38200 @ 0.00051016 = 19.4881 BTC [-] {2}

13:48

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shinohai wants to use this version of windowze https://transfer.sh/BXQKy/windowze.jpg

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... ( http://bit.ly/1FYubc6 )

13:49

bonus points if it identifies species

13:49

and http://www.cjr.org/watchdog/under_spains_gag_law_covering_the_news_could_cost_you.php

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Under Spain's gag law, covering the news could cost you - Columbia Journalism Review ... ( http://bit.ly/1FYubJ1 )

13:49

why doesn't vice/roshida jones cover actual abridgement of freedom of expression

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like, why can't I communicate the blockchain to anyone I wish, in any way I wish

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phf

i was exploring block storage format, so i wrote some lisp code to read blocks out of .dat in sequence or directly from dumpblock'ed file http://paste.lisp.org/+38JG. i'm not sure where i'm going with it, so i'm leaving it here for interested parties.

↖ ↖

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... ( http://bit.ly/1IzbYbq )

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or bank in a way that I desire

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phf: neato!

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decimation: this is what roundup tries to do

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engineered biocide

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phf: post it to therealbitcoin.org ml!

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myeah, but it kills grass too

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decimation: well, it's a robot, not that bright y'know

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https://github.com/coinbase/toshi << this saves the blockchain in postgres btw

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coinbase/toshi · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1FYuyDs )

13:52

it would be neat if bitcoind could generate the same kinds of stats as blockchain.info

13:52

punkman: is there one that isn't in a shitlang ?

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or perhaps a bolt-on

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ascii_field, probably a few of those

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decimation: besides, not like usafricanz are expensive labour. at least not within a decade

13:53

someone should write that in perl

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pete_dushenski: the problem is that usg bids up the price of otherwise servant labor

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most expensive in the world

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https://github.com/tinybike/coinbridge

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tinybike/coinbridge · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1FYuDHo )

13:54

usg wisely punishes you for working and rewards you for not

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decimation: ascii_field until people will take 'room and board' as compensation

13:54

what minimum wage law can stop that arrangement ?

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pete_dushenski: not sure this will show any symptoms of happening any time prior to the die-off

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why would they when they can make $30-60k for being 'poor'

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^

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funkenstein_ is looking for such a room and board position

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ascii_field: which die-off would this be now ?

13:55

funkenstein_: so many are !

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anyway, 99+% of usa ALREADY works for room & board !

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ascii_field does

13:55

well, I was thinking of when all value passes through the bitcoin hole

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it is just done indirectly

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ascii_field: bullshit you do no such thing.

13:55

ascii they give a little walking-around money too

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approximately

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room & board means ONLY ROOM & BOARD

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there are no approximations here

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certainly not ones off by 10%+

13:56

in that case, even in auschwitz folks didn't work for 'only room and board'

13:56

well that escalated quickly

13:56

well, they worked to not be shot in back of head.

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not quite

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plus room and board

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money existed

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(at one point, a variant of paper reichsmark, but at all times - smokes)

13:57

ascii_field: distributed by nazis ? i think not.

13:57

used as iou amongst prisoners, sure

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well, more complicated

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germans paid 'bonuses' with favours

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(access to 'posh' jobs, fewer beatings, etc)

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which could in turn be traded

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this is amply described in the literature

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still covered under 'room & board' and still circumvents minimum wage fucktardery as presented

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so yes, auschwitzians lived under room & board arrangement, and no, you do not, ascii_field

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anyway, i reason in categories

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pete_dushenski: I had this notion regarding the bums all over portland, that someone should take them to nearby farms for day labor in exchange for meals, showers, and somewhere to be warehoused at night.

13:59

it'd be a vast improvement for their lives

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if i'm not paid enough to 'reallocate capital' - to borrow mircea's terminology - than i am in same category as the 'room & board' folks

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trinque: most certainly. sounds like a swell idea to me.

13:59

Room and board are limited resources. Dorrars, not so much. Countereiters don't control food and bedding.

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ascii_field: you buying a case of z80s or pogos is reallocating capital

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however minor

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pete_dushenski: capital in the sense of machine-that-lets-you-eat-without-working

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not in the sense of my shoes

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and shirt

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ascii_field: this comes back again to the amount of $$$ you imagine is needed to 'eat like king'

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funkenstein_: to the extent that the federal reserve is a counterfeiter, they most certainly control food (monsanto) and bedding (housing bubble)

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only in so much as farmers and homeowners accept their counterfeits

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pete_dushenski: if you believe that i'm overpaying for something, i'd like to hear - for what

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pete_dushenski: and where ~you~ buy it, that wouldn't cost me the price of a fleet of 'boeings' to get to...

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funkenstein_: which, sadly, they do.

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BingoBoingo: 'There's no regulation', '... and it's really difficult to believe that the girls who were crying when they're being "raped" are always acting and performing'

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ascii_field: i guess i'll wait until i see a monthly budget breakdown on loper-os.com before i submit my analysis :)

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52150 @ 0.00051722 = 26.973 BTC [+]

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pete_dushenski: i'll give you something to chew on. for instance: i pay ~700+ usd / mo just to have the possibility of accessing basic medical care if i need it

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i just threw up in my mouth...

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clever manipulation, this. imply women are being preyed on, that they haven't any agency, and that teens should be protected from themselves because she had no idea she was doing torture porn until she got to the set, and didn't resist at the critical moment

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even assuming retarded farmers and homeowners accepting fiat, this is still not "control" in the sense of being able to issues a billion tons of rice. The stuff still has to exist and is limited.

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~2k usd to have reasonably spacious dwelling (90 sq m.)

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ascii_field: with health and living costs like that, how can you claim you're not overpaying for -anything- ??

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pete_dushenski, lol

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 105609 @ 0.0005028 = 53.1002 BTC [-] {3}

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pete_dushenski: because i'm not in a market.

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pete_dushenski: can't go anywhere

14:09

rashida jones knows exactly what she's doing, and she believes she's manipulating folks into doing the right thing by preying on the viewer's instinct to protect women and children

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ascii_field would like to the eleven or so threads where he described this, but won't bother, probably everyone reading this recalls

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*like to link to

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goering would be proud.

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ascii_field: fair enough, not exactly nyooz, this.

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mats: goebbels ?

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just the way the cookie crumbles for some (includes physical and mental outcomes)

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ascii_field, have you considered that anything costing 700 USD per month is far more likely to be a detriment to health than a basic medical care?

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pete_dushenski: as a pathological example: just about anybody's living costs could be lowered by moving to africa, but for some reason very few takers

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oops, yes, goebbels

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ascii_field: u.s. is a big place. not all are so afflicted.

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funkenstein_: i pay the 700 in order ~not to wake up with a bill for 500,000~

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the quickest way to an early grave is the AMA

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(can still wake up with a bill for 10,000!)

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pete_dushenski: for me, usa is this roughly 200 km. sq. spot where i can get to my meatwot

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without which i'm worth my weight in pork

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(to borrow mircea's term)

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ascii_field: worth to whom ?

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employer ? or meatwot ?

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same thing

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meatwot can mean fambly, no ?

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what family i've left is in it too

14:14

ascii_field: well did you ever think that if maybe you weren't so darned talented, you'd have more options ?

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lol

14:15

a corpse, buried at sea, has the most options:

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could go literally anywhere

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(though ashes-scattered-in-orbit, from what i hear, is even better)

14:15

ahh, the good life...

14:15

on yesterday's subject of poker: the concept of revealing 'hole cards' as transparency to enable auditing and prevent cheating seems to keep coming up in my discussions about WoT poker with online poker players

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is there some way of computing some function of the cards that reveals certain properties of the aggregate of the table without revealing people's particular cards

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mats: yes!

14:16

homomorphic properties of some crypto-system perhaps

14:16

mats: see 'millionaire protocol'

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mats: see work of paillier et al

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oh, doh, this was mentioned

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and shamir for the original poker

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!up ascii_field

14:17

ty mod6

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np

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how goes your sync

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well! crusing right along.

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239k+

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335+

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oh wow, your nearly there. great!

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might be just over 48hrs or something for direct sync

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largely cpu-bound

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incidentally, anybody ever try parallelizing sigchecking ?

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got a link/name to paillier paper(s)?

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mats: https://github.com/mikeivanov/paillier << example

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mikeivanov/paillier · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1KyrCFy )

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http://mhe.github.io/jspaillier

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Javascript Paillier demo page ... ( http://bit.ly/1KyrGVS )

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etc

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<+ascii_field> incidentally, anybody ever try parallelizing sigchecking ? << this would be interesting to try & do some perf testing with.

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ought to parallelize linearly

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pete_dushenski | ascii_field: well did you ever think that if maybe you weren't so darned talented, you'd have more options ? << if you want to make money in the US economy, don't swim against the bezzle

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trying to do something requiring talent? that's swimming against the bezzle!

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trinque: lol same in canada

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i know, i used to work for the largest employer in the province, 5th largest in country

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100k+ employees

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cushy, well paid, and mortally dull

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pete_dushenski: well-paid ~per minute of actual work~ ?

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because 'mortally dull' sounds like they actually made you work

14:23

OpenCL sig verification?

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BingoBoingo: ick

14:23

ascii_field: worked 15-20 hrs per week, paid 37.75

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70551 @ 0.00049859 = 35.176 BTC [-] {3}

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*paid FOR 37.75 hrs per week

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pete_dushenski: might not be making myself clear here. you ~sat in chair~ for x hours, or ~worked~

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when i sat in chair, about 7-10 hrs per week, i worked

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rest of the time 'in the field'

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[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21150 @ 0.00049171 = 10.3997 BTC [-] {2}

14:24

pete_dushenski: what was your profession in those days ?

14:25

public health inspector :)

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so got to see the secret rat-sized cockroaches in restaurants, etc ?

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2.5 years across food and housing mostly

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mould, bed bugs, water damage, flooding in housing

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ascii_field wonders now if pete_dushenski is physically able to eat in a restaurant now

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ah

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mats: http://acsc.cs.utexas.edu/libpaillier

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Advanced Crypto Software Collection ... ( http://bit.ly/1KysDgL )

14:26

^ uses gmp

14:26

ascii_field: i eat out regularly !

14:27

even the lowest of the low restaurants here, outside chinatown at least, are quite good

14:27

'always room for improvement' was what keeps inspectors busy

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was/is

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while in food program, i only ever issued one executive officer's order on the spot

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and it wasn't even a 'closure order'

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just 'no more games' order

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fines in alberta can be upwards of $100k for continual violations, plus court costs

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public health act in alberta has paramouncy over everything except human rights act.

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interventionism is taken seriously here !

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thanks, ascii_field

14:37

;;seen dignork

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dignork was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 9 weeks, 3 days, 1 hour, 16 minutes, and 45 seconds ago: <dignork> mircea_popescu: you wouldn't believe amount of horribly broken code which blows up in ipv6 environment, anything from integer overflows,crashes,malfunctions to firewalls leaving your machine exposed

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;;later tell dignork http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2015#1025687 << this ever go anywhere?

14:37

Logged on 20-02-2015 14:56:37; dignork: mircea_popescu: I can't currently handle it myself, but I can bring a friend and we'll split the work, would you be interested to cooperate?

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The operation succeeded.

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oh, probably better to just ping mp about it.

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!up dignork

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