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00:00 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.00027132 = 1.9806 BTC [-]
00:02 BingoBoingo One with better drugs than ours?
00:05 danielpbarron To do this, you issue everyone with write access to the database, a GPG Keypair that they use to sign entries and changes. Each signer will have a GPG Keypair, and a separate machine will automatically sign all entries with its own keypair, for time stamping and authenticating entries. << this guy writes like he reads the log but misses the point
00:17 mircea_popescu this log makes me go https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxoGGh5ZZG8
00:17 assbot Animaniacs - The Monkey Song - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1MNIoSP )
00:19 mircea_popescu http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-04-2015#1087666 << dude, it's not a discussion that "markets don't work". it's a discussion that before markets can work, you gotta have them. similarly, if you don't have running water, you have a hygiene problem. this isn't because "bathrooms don't work", it's because you.do.not.have.one.
00:19 assbot Logged on 04-04-2015 02:04:31; junseth: RE: the discussion about markets, I generally disagree with the notion that markets don't work. I know it's a common mantra. But markets, even decently regulated ones, work pretty well. Regulated markets price in the cost of regulation.
00:19 mircea_popescu yes the market would be a great solution, were it applied. sadly, "the political costs". ie, exactly the same tired old record that drove the soviet union into the wall.
00:20 mircea_popescu people have to accept their feelings don't matter. they always end up doing this, it's just some have to get raped with a spiked club first.
00:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19900 @ 0.00027776 = 5.5274 BTC [+]
00:22 mircea_popescu http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-04-2015#1087709 << central banking is, contrary to the disinfo floating around, in no way part of the problem. it managed to work as a mostly-solution for a long time, but meanwhile the dung overflew it and it's clogged.
00:22 assbot Logged on 04-04-2015 02:21:29; junseth: Haha, well the question is what was the alternative. The alternative before the Fed was not necessarily better. I'm not a fan of central banks. But I think it's disingenuous to say that the central bank hasn't done a decent job of "running" the currency. The solution is to solve the problems caused by central banking. I think that's why we're all Bitcoiners.
00:23 mircea_popescu the problem is "consumers have come to expect" and "representative democracy", not the central bank.
00:25 mircea_popescu http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-04-2015#1087715 << early on debug.log readily filled a disk.
00:25 assbot Logged on 04-04-2015 02:23:08; asciilifeform: ^ what kind of retard made debug.log roll over?
00:27 mircea_popescu i wonder why people don't think representative reproduction is a workable idea, incidentally. we all get together, pick me to fuck all your wives and girlfriends, and that's that. everyone else gets http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lsx3hxyNS51r3yt08o3_1280.jpg
00:27 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1MNKkLd )
00:27 mircea_popescu makes about as much sense in all possible approaches.
00:28 mircea_popescu ( and developing countries could just use http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxt4gfytEx1r4smfqo1_1280.jpg )
00:28 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1MNKvpV )
00:30 cazalla so in pillars of eternity, you come across this priest dude and he somewhat looks like danielpbarron
00:31 cazalla http://i.imgur.com/5y2xgQm.png if anyone cares
00:31 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/19Wk13q )
00:32 mircea_popescu btw cazalla and all folks who actually play games : once eulora 0.1 comes out, ima hold an event where there's gonna be magic money bags, yielding coin each day. i want y'all to show up an' get one.
00:34 cazalla who has the time for mmos?!
00:35 mircea_popescu legacy unique items, dun be a fool.
00:35 cazalla i heard it was a game for casuals
00:36 mircea_popescu lol
00:36 mircea_popescu this trolling. it is 7/10
00:38 mircea_popescu http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-04-2015#1087767 << bull. maybe in your (limited) life experience.
00:38 assbot Logged on 04-04-2015 02:36:19; trinque: nothing in *life* is unregulated but this is distinct from saying *all* regulations come from *one* place
00:38 mircea_popescu but otherwise, most everything in life is unregulated.
00:38 mircea_popescu this may be scary, but it is right and proper.
00:39 trinque I wasn't talking about just human life
00:40 trinque everything that lives has limitations imposed by other things
00:40 mircea_popescu http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-04-2015#1087798 << he has a point in that it's not a waste to read them, esp given the methodology.
00:40 assbot Logged on 04-04-2015 02:46:05; decimation: but some of them are probably fixes for obscure bugs that might be useful to know about
00:40 mircea_popescu trinque the difference between that and regulation is the statutory nature of the later.
00:40 mircea_popescu gravity is a limit but it regulates nothing. the murder taboo is a limit and regulatory.
00:41 trinque yeah, I was off the mark in trying to describe the abnormality of that, actually
00:41 trinque nobody centrally plans the fucking habits of this or that species
00:42 mircea_popescu http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-04-2015#1087800 << "you can not study nonsense at the university. but the history of nonsense - now that's scholarship."
00:42 assbot Logged on 04-04-2015 02:46:42; asciilifeform: i do not want them in the zoo, i do not want them with a gnu, i do not want them in a house, i do not want them with a mouse, ... , ...
00:43 mircea_popescu trinque comes down exactly to the ancient causes and purposes distinction. if people find a way to fly, nobody "deems gravity broken" or hoilds talks on how to patch it "because this wasn't the intended result"
00:43 mircea_popescu it has no intended result, not being regulation. it simply flows from causes. this is why it's sustainable where the regulatory crud never was.
00:44 trinque right, causes aren't arbitrary
00:44 mircea_popescu well, something like that. moreover, they aren't imaginary. they're actual. purposes are always and necessarily mere delusions.
00:45 mircea_popescu which is why natural laws do not rely on some sort of "intelligence", to be epitethically generous.
00:46 mircea_popescu http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-04-2015#1087833 << from what i've seen 4096 privkeys moistly fit on one sheet without further skullduggery
00:46 assbot Logged on 04-04-2015 03:39:35; decimation: but I would also like to pack enough bits on an 8.5x11 sheet of paper to convey a 4096 bit rsa privkey
00:47 mircea_popescu http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-04-2015#1087842 < AND the submerged fucking cities.
00:47 assbot Logged on 04-04-2015 03:53:13; Chillum: I am still waiting for my hovercar
00:48 mircea_popescu !up junseth
00:48 mircea_popescu eh get in the wot wouldja.
00:51 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19100 @ 0.00027776 = 5.3052 BTC [+]
00:59 asciilifeform height=131128
01:00 asciilifeform total mem ~= 99M (mostly constant)
01:00 asciilifeform (pogo, heathen linux, pseudostatic, modified skull'n'crossbones)
01:02 asciilifeform eulora 0.1 comes out << one of these days i'ma have to get a box with a 3d board
01:02 asciilifeform (believe or not - i don't have one...)
01:06 asciilifeform ....
01:06 asciilifeform finally croaked.
01:14 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00027163 = 1.3582 BTC [-]
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01:30 BingoBoingo !up pete_dushenski
01:30 pete_dushenski ahoy!
01:31 pete_dushenski just wrapped up another successful seder.
01:31 pete_dushenski 5775 in the books
01:31 pete_dushenski bigger one this year, 30 people, all wrapped around my little finger ;)
01:32 nubbins` $ ldd bitcoind
01:32 nubbins` not a dynamic executable
01:33 pete_dushenski also went to 'good friday' services and painted ukrainian easter eggs
01:33 pete_dushenski if that's not an ecumenical day i don't know what is.
01:33 pete_dushenski ;;ticker
01:33 gribble Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 254.32, Best ask: 254.38, Bid-ask spread: 0.06000, Last trade: 254.38, 24 hour volume: 28353.96156678, 24 hour low: 250.31, 24 hour high: 256.49, 24 hour vwap: None
01:34 mircea_popescu pete_dushenski no idea what this means. wut ?
01:34 cazalla the jew moon or something! (we'll have a good view of it here tonight)
01:35 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: the passover seder ?
01:35 mircea_popescu oic
01:35 pete_dushenski exodus and whatnot
01:35 pete_dushenski plagues, moses, pharoah, the works.
01:35 mircea_popescu so 5775/30/fingering ?
01:35 pete_dushenski 5775 is the current year in the hebrew calendar
01:35 scoopbot New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/mpif-fmpif-march-2015-statement/
01:37 mircea_popescu o it is isn't it.
01:37 pete_dushenski yup, what 8 trilemers, 2015 gregorians, 5775 jooz ?
01:38 mircea_popescu d tr. is actually dupa Trompi, not Trilema. and only 7.
01:38 BingoBoingo 6 Bitcoins
01:38 pete_dushenski ^indeed.
01:42 mircea_popescu http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ll1sufMqJZ1qaz8fmo1_1280.jpg << i don't recall if we did this or not ?
01:42 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1GbgdcK )
01:43 pete_dushenski 'did this' as in.... hazing new kids ?
01:44 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Is that from mengele's house down the block?
01:44 mircea_popescu as in commented upon lol
01:44 mircea_popescu BingoBoingo just trying to give alf better ideas, the gasenwagen and recto-thermo-crypto stuff is getting old >D
01:45 pete_dushenski hah
01:45 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Ever since he described that outhouse, I think I'm understanding his fascination with turds nao.
01:50 pete_dushenski http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1086379 << seconded by another #b-a canadian, me.
01:50 assbot Logged on 03-04-2015 14:20:39; Chillum: poutine is gross. Sorry, but it is
01:51 pete_dushenski gravy is some nasty shit. i can't stand it with anything.
01:51 pete_dushenski same goes for mayo and whip cream.
01:52 pete_dushenski i'm not even envious of people who like them and have no desire to 'expand my palette' to include them
01:52 pete_dushenski quite content as is
01:52 mircea_popescu you ever had them made well ?
01:53 mircea_popescu often when people claim they hate well established foods, it turns out they never actually had a good example.
01:53 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33087 @ 0.00027343 = 9.047 BTC [+]
01:54 pete_dushenski no doubt that normal canuckistani variants are commericialised sewage
01:54 pete_dushenski i've had homemade whip cream and that would come the closest to being appealing
01:54 BingoBoingo There's nothing better than a white, sausage breakfast gravy on a bed of hash browns
01:54 pete_dushenski mayo and gravy, no chance
01:55 pete_dushenski so i've had them homemade, but 'well' ? not to my standard
01:56 pete_dushenski but whether that standard can be achieved remains an open question
01:56 BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: But what of the sausage in the grave. Experience that homemade as well?
01:56 cazalla scoopbot fetch
01:56 pete_dushenski cazalla: dash!
01:56 cazalla pete_dushenski, bet it still won't work, ready..
01:56 pete_dushenski BingoBoingo: maybe ?
01:56 cazalla scoopbot -fetch
01:57 cazalla http://qntra.net/2015/03/man-who-establishes-bounty-to-replace-vessennes-bitcoin-foundation-on-board/
01:57 assbot Man Who Established Bounty to Replace Vessennes' Bitcoin Foundation on Board | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1HuXuWP )
01:57 cazalla oops wrong one lol
01:57 cazalla http://qntra.net/2015/04/olivier-janssens-bitcoin-floundation-out-of-money-hates-transparency/
01:57 assbot Olivier Janssens: Bitcoin Floundation Out Of Money, Hates Transparency | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1HuXyFK )
01:58 pete_dushenski hahahaha fucken derpheads
01:59 pete_dushenski "Patrick Murck is trying to re-create a new Foundation just for core dev" << lolk
02:00 pete_dushenski because mebbe 'just core dev' will bring in a gazillion coins. just like ethereum. i'm sure.
02:01 pete_dushenski the redditards are out of coins.
02:01 pete_dushenski anyone with 10 btc to their name is either here or keeping their mouths shut and their coins locked in a vault come hell or high water
02:02 BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Or they are more blessed members of the DEA
02:02 pete_dushenski "The lesson for all of us in Bitcoin is to never put any trust in a centralized org again that wanted to represent Bitcoin or the Core Development of Bitcoin." << or the lesson is, don't fuck with la serenissima ?
02:02 BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: You know, the ones on the Silk Road investigation who cut their bosses in on their tricks
02:03 pete_dushenski that's a theory
02:04 BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Then again they probably fall into the keeping their mouths shut camp
02:05 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13750 @ 0.00027163 = 3.7349 BTC [-]
02:06 pete_dushenski http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1086456 << with six women that all the men somehow agree are 'well dressed'. not ideal.
02:06 assbot Logged on 03-04-2015 14:40:12; mircea_popescu: next you're going to want to hang badly dressed women, and then where will we be.
02:10 pete_dushenski http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1086548 << how... convienient!
02:10 assbot Logged on 03-04-2015 15:29:36; mircea_popescu: alol k. "and then the greek word for hot sexy teen was mistranslated by the hebrew word for baren ugly old hag!"
02:18 mircea_popescu aww, check it out, scam foundation joins the long list of shit that failed to outlive mpex.
02:19 mircea_popescu "That new director decided that the only way to still get funds at that point, was to focus solely on funding core development, in the hope that people would see that as a good cause. But people were smart enough not to trust the Foundation anymore. "
02:19 mircea_popescu famously omitting to mention what actually happened. "people" right ? mmmkay.
02:20 mircea_popescu manages to go though that entire bullshit without once mentioning vessenes and his criminal behaviour ?
02:21 mircea_popescu nice try olivier, but it doth not wash. masquerading as a part of the solution while failing to credit the actual mechanisms and trying to use the banal shit to avoid discussing the important shit does not work.
02:21 BingoBoingo <mircea_popescu> manages to go though that entire bullshit without once mentioning vessenes and his criminal behaviour ? << Too be fair he got in with Vessenes seemingly long gone
02:21 mircea_popescu yaya.
02:21 mircea_popescu the plan here being that "o hey, we'll get one of our shills to try and direct the public discussion"
02:21 BingoBoingo But Derp still wants to hurp about continuing to feed Gavin
02:21 mircea_popescu it does not wash. the difference between this muppet and the previous muppets is nil.
02:22 mircea_popescu he wants to do what the usg typically does.
02:22 mircea_popescu it does not wash.
02:22 BingoBoingo Their stuff not only fails to wash, it also doesn't dry clean. The sort of cheap polyester the solvents melt.
02:22 mircea_popescu myea.
02:23 mircea_popescu anyway, this playbook is as old as fucking herbert hoover. "fuck up. then replace the guys that 'fucked up' with another guy, who is going to admit to what everyone knows while fail to mention what nobody wants to hear. he can pose as somehow 'different' for the public of imbeciles, and we can continue teaching the controversy"
02:24 BingoBoingo Dude comes in as thing dies, promises to start new thing with the exact same form of the "dead" thing
02:24 mircea_popescu meanwhile back at reality ranch a) the foundation floundered because it managed to get mp to speak out against it. b) the only way to resolve this problem is with jail time for the speciffic names involved.
02:24 mircea_popescu this at present includes vesseness, murck and that dumb broad.
02:25 mircea_popescu and it will broaden as time passes.
02:26 cazalla which broad? the asians or the jew
02:26 mircea_popescu it's kind-of incredible (if you look at things rationally - otherwise if you look at things historically it's exactly expected) that two years later they are STILL TRYING to pretend like they don't have to come to terms.
02:26 mircea_popescu as if attempt #795876 is going to fare better than 1 through 795875.
02:26 mircea_popescu cazalla the jew.
02:37 pete_dushenski http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1086833 << love this.
02:37 assbot Logged on 03-04-2015 18:02:51; mircea_popescu: cazalla http://dpaste.com/21W5GH3
02:37 pete_dushenski let the fortune squirming commence!
02:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9052 @ 0.00027133 = 2.4561 BTC [-] {2}
02:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17300 @ 0.00027414 = 4.7426 BTC [+] {2}
03:00 mircea_popescu asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2015/no-such-labs-snsa-march-2015-statement/
03:00 assbot No Such lAbs (S.NSA), March 2015 Statement on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1CDKLQa )
03:07 scoopbot New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/04/olivier-janssens-bitcoin-floundation-out-of-money-hates-transparency/
03:09 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25900 @ 0.00027549 = 7.1352 BTC [+] {2}
03:14 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21450 @ 0.00027635 = 5.9277 BTC [+]
03:21 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43800 @ 0.00027025 = 11.837 BTC [-] {2}
03:24 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38289 @ 0.00027766 = 10.6313 BTC [+] {2}
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03:47 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16377 @ 0.00027776 = 4.5489 BTC [+]
03:52 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93096 @ 0.00027783 = 25.8649 BTC [+] {2}
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04:42 BingoBoingo ;;google "lasagna cell" battery
04:42 gribble Beware the "Lasagna Cell": How Some Metals Can Ruin Your Meal ...: <http://amazingribs.com/tips_and_technique/non_reactive_containers_and_the_lasagna_cell.html>; Galvanic corrosion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galvanic_corrosion>; Lasagna cell - Encyclopedia - The Free Dictionary: <http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/Lasagna+cell>
04:42 assbot AMAZING COMPANY!
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04:58 scoopbot New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/no-such-labs-snsa-march-2015-statement/
05:00 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12750 @ 0.00027809 = 3.5456 BTC [+]
05:03 mircea_popescu who the fuck "marinates" in aluminum foil ffs.
05:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19900 @ 0.00027 = 5.373 BTC [-]
05:12 BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Chemically Illiterate Middle America
05:12 mircea_popescu why not wrap it in toilet paper ?
05:13 mircea_popescu duct tape ?
05:14 mircea_popescu or whatever, cardboard boxes, packaging peanuts, they're all consumer proucts after all ?
05:14 mircea_popescu marinate in random item from packaging isle (tm)
05:14 BingoBoingo They just do what TV and other "idea people" tell them
05:18 mircea_popescu https://bitbet.us/bet/1128/btc-to-top-700-before-1st-july/#c4747 << gotta love logicians.
05:18 assbot BitBet - BTC to top $700 before 1st July :: 13.66 B (10%) on Yes, 128.64 B (90%) on No | closing in 2 months 6 days | weight: 71`963 (100`000 to 1`000) ... ( http://bit.ly/1FadOJJ )
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05:35 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17950 @ 0.00027 = 4.8465 BTC [-]
05:44 cazalla !up fortune501
05:44 cazalla lol what ya doing vexual?
05:44 fortune501 same old
05:45 fortune501 et ou?
05:45 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22766 @ 0.00027 = 6.1468 BTC [-]
05:45 cazalla playing pillars of eternity
05:45 fortune501 never heard of it?
05:46 cazalla came out last week, unfortunately its now the victim of game gate type shit
05:47 cazalla gamer gate even.. apparently some transphobic shit had to be pulled http://kotaku.com/pillars-of-eternity-fan-text-changed-after-player-compl-1695608446
05:47 assbot Pillars Of Eternity Makers Change Fan-Made Text After Player Complaints ... ( http://bit.ly/1D3bFm6 )
05:49 fortune501 sounds half decent
05:49 cazalla ya ever play baldurs gate back in the day?
05:50 fortune501 yeah that prolly the last time i loaded a game
05:50 cazalla similar type of game
05:52 cazalla http://i.imgur.com/P7y58BY.jpg
05:52 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/19XASD3 )
05:52 fortune501 you saw that game eh?
05:52 fortune501 whaddaya dual monitor now?
05:54 fortune501 big qntra bux, any income yet?
05:55 fortune501 alt tab cunt
05:59 punkman http://kotaku.com/pillars-of-eternity-fan-text-changed-after-player-compl-1695608446 << "transmisogyny" such wordsmiths
05:59 assbot Pillars Of Eternity Makers Change Fan-Made Text After Player Complaints ... ( http://bit.ly/19XCGfh )
05:59 fortune501 sounds faggoty
06:00 fortune501 and if i work out steam, ill have a cup of tea and a lie down
06:04 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16450 @ 0.00027 = 4.4415 BTC [-]
06:05 fortune501 its quite obviously a suicide joke, but i get all the die hard suicide fans of the internet are already gone
06:08 fortune501 if fucking a tranny is gonna give you nightmares, don't do it
06:09 fortune501 if someone writes a peom about it on a mmporg, let it ride
06:11 fortune501 kids should really learn usenet if they wanna internet
06:11 fortune501 anyway, im in
06:14 fortune501 what is it steam.com?
06:15 punkman nope
06:16 punkman !up fortune501
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06:43 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14250 @ 0.00027985 = 3.9879 BTC [+]
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07:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36337 @ 0.00027826 = 10.1111 BTC [-] {3}
07:09 Adlai !up fortune501
07:10 fortune501 danke broski
07:10 Adlai all the die hard suicide fans of the internet are already gone << dunno bout that
07:10 fortune501 theres always more
07:10 Adlai "fans" in the sense of those who watch from the sidelines, by definition, rarely participate in the festivities themselves
07:10 Adlai we do lose the mvps though
07:11 fortune501 yes, but its a choice, so, let it be
07:16 cazalla fortune501, see the lunar eclipse where you are atm?
07:16 fortune501 wait
07:16 fortune501 nah, roofies
07:19 fortune501 is it good?
07:21 fortune501 dont fuck near the rabbits
07:21 cazalla can't get to binos without risking waking up the kid
07:21 fortune501 youll ruin the meat
07:21 fortune501 lol
07:21 cazalla should've fkn got them out before he went to bed
07:21 fortune501 whereve ya rally bin?
07:21 fortune501 in jail
07:22 cazalla view from my place anyway http://i.imgur.com/ROv6q2w.png
07:22 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1y5Z5T7 )
07:23 cazalla what ya mean.. where have i been? in jail? lol nope
07:23 cazalla though some might call it that
07:23 fortune501 its that old joke
07:24 fortune501 wheres your wheelie bin?
07:24 cazalla never heard that one
07:25 fortune501 i dunno how to tell it, fucking google it
07:26 fortune501 giveus a cazalla venison
07:26 cazalla got a bit of left over goat's leg that i slow cooked from the other night if ya keen
07:26 fortune501 ill eat b it
07:27 fortune501 your goat?
07:27 cazalla no no, from the butcher, bit dry tbh
07:30 fortune501 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqnjYpwo1h8
07:30 assbot ABC Black Comedy: Indigenous GPS - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1y5ZyVk )
07:35 cazalla surprised they ran that given the ABC
07:35 fortune501 love me some biriyani
07:36 cazalla all these abo cunts claiming they're abo when they're like 1/8 abo at best, doubt there are any full bloods left
07:36 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39510 @ 0.00028087 = 11.0972 BTC [+] {2}
07:36 fortune501 1/8 is pretty good odds
07:39 fortune501 prison island to well paid cock sucker in less than 200 years
07:41 cazalla !up fortune501
07:44 cazalla heh this one ain't bad, has the chick from neighbours too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H33cPuwsY48
07:44 assbot ABC Black Comedy: Black White Woman, Part 1 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1y60poU )
07:47 fortune501 kylie?
07:49 fortune501 ah that one
07:52 cazalla kylie might've been it when you watched it as a teenager, but brooke satchwell was it when i was that age :P
07:52 fortune501 cazalla:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0Uh_16m6cI
07:53 cazalla any good?
07:54 PeterL good morning ya'all
07:54 cazalla looks like abo ver of underbelly
07:54 fortune501 yeah
07:54 fortune501 morning peter
07:56 cazalla this a movie or a series?
07:56 fortune501 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZAhzVvgY-c mini series
07:56 assbot Kylie Minogue - The Loco-motion - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1y61mO9 )
07:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41200 @ 0.00028196 = 11.6168 BTC [+]
07:56 fortune501 abc failed series 2
07:57 PeterL so, my lastest run-in with USG agents: the mailman doesn't like where my mailbox is. It is currently on the rail of my porch, he says I must instal a box on a post in my yard
07:58 fortune501 that cunt should check his priv
08:01 fortune501 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZrfG9P6_D0 what have i become
08:01 assbot Paul Kelly - To Her Door - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1y61BbZ )
08:01 dignork PeterL: probably has to do with public/private property area
08:01 fortune501 fuck it, stepthru or step aside
08:01 PeterL he claims it is for safety
08:01 dignork or just lazy mailman
08:01 fortune501 asshole
08:02 PeterL said there was too much ice where it was, but there won't be any more ice for another 6 months at least now that everything melted
08:02 fortune501 fail is no excuse
08:04 PeterL the box used to be on the house itself, and I moved it to the porch rail so he wouldn't have to go up the steps, but apparently that isn't good enough, now I gotta go buy a post and dig a hole to stick it in
08:05 fortune501 who said it aint good enuff?
08:05 mats always a good idea to humor the postman
08:05 PeterL the mailman, and he is going to stop delivering my mail if I don't meet his demands in the next two weeks
08:07 fortune501 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYxn3LxlPZQ danke assbot
08:07 assbot Kasey Chambers and Bernard Fanning - Bittersweet (Official Music Video) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1y6279Q )
08:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94465 @ 0.00028208 = 26.6467 BTC [+] {2}
08:08 cazalla PeterL, you need an aussie postman, this is how we deliver your shit mate https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRhN5Hz9e0w
08:08 assbot Postie's bike stunt fail - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1y62gtS )
08:08 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18685 @ 0.00028352 = 5.2976 BTC [+] {2}
08:10 fortune501 lol
08:11 Adlai PeterL: so you're saying the next two weeks are critical™?
08:11 PeterL yes, yes they are, he wants that box delivered
08:12 Adlai can you order the new postbox by post?
08:12 Adlai can the post deliver the post on which the post will be posted, post-post-posting?
08:12 PeterL lol, probably
08:12 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19259 @ 0.0002862 = 5.5119 BTC [+] {3}
08:13 PeterL !up fortune501
08:13 fortune501 danke friend
08:15 fortune501 nueman
08:17 fortune501 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTxythHY09k
08:17 assbot Norah Jones - Chasing Pirates - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1y62PEg )
08:19 fortune501 you might find tansphobis isnt a thing
08:20 mats what about transmisogyny?
08:21 fortune501 well, who fuxing cares really?
08:23 fortune501 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vt1Pwfnh5pc
08:23 assbot Johnny Cash - Hurt HD 720p - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1NP6j1h )
~ 22 minutes ~
08:45 PeterL anybody here follow basketball? My MSU Spartans made it to the final four again, should be a fun game tonight against Duke
08:50 mats https://bitcoinfoundation.org/forum/index.php?/topic/1284-the-truth-about-the-bitcoin-foundation o_o
08:50 assbot The truth about the Bitcoin Foundation - General - Bitcoin Foundation ... ( http://bit.ly/1NPbRsx )
08:50 PeterL http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2015/03/30/13-msu-students-charged-for-throwing-bagels-into-crowd-during-street-celebrations/
08:50 assbot 13 MSU Students Charged For Throwing Bagels Into Crowd During Street Celebrations « CBS Detroit ... ( http://bit.ly/1NPbTAW )
08:50 PeterL I wonder what they will burn if they win tonight?
08:50 mats Oliver Janssen: "Core dev can no longer be funded by it, and Patrick Murck is trying to re-create a new Foundation just for core dev, because the current name is tarnished. Do not fall for this."
08:52 * mats queues up mp's "i killed the bitcoin phoundation"
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09:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22700 @ 0.00028769 = 6.5306 BTC [+]
09:41 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38366 @ 0.00028842 = 11.0655 BTC [+] {2}
09:52 nubbins` morn
10:01 nubbins` re: https://bitcoinfoundation.org/forum/index.php?/topic/1284-the-truth-about-the-bitcoin-foundation/ ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha mis lados.
10:01 assbot The truth about the Bitcoin Foundation - General - Bitcoin Foundation ... ( http://bit.ly/1xN4xtH )
10:02 nubbins` asciilifeform did you get a static build of bitcoind on gentoo yet?
10:04 punkman "Jim Harper and myself immediately put forward a vote to have the board meeting recorded. We followed Robert’s rules of orders, and everyone else basically shut us down and failed to follow procedures."
10:05 punkman "If they would have been transparent then everyone would know there is no money left." well we already knew that
10:06 punkman "A special trust fund is being created and I will donate several 100k to pre-pay Gavin’s, Wladimirs and some other core devs wage for the next year" << who's this Olivier dude that's gonna pay for Gavin out of his pocket
10:09 punkman https://bitcoinfoundation.org/forum/index.php?/topic/1284-the-truth-about-the-bitcoin-foundation/#entry13752 lolgavin
10:09 assbot The truth about the Bitcoin Foundation - General - Bitcoin Foundation ... ( http://bit.ly/1Iy66vZ )
10:09 punkman "I had an idealistic vision of the Foundation being a member-driven organization, but that never happened. Now would be a good time for you, the membership, to make me proud and come together and figure out a vision for the Foundation moving forward."
10:11 punkman http://www.olivierjanssens.com/ hey at least there's gpg right there on the frontpage.
10:11 assbot Olivier Janssens - Home ... ( http://bit.ly/1Iy6lHi )
10:15 danielpbarron height=311556 vs height=220376
10:20 nubbins` asciilifeform fwiw if you apply instructions from my latest ML post, you'll get a 100% static bitcoind
10:28 nubbins` danielpbarron getting closer!
10:39 nubbins` heh i like this jannsens guy's style
10:41 punkman yeah but if you still want to fund gavin, I'm thinking you're a spook
10:41 nubbins` he doesn't know of anyone else to fund!
10:42 nubbins` i just sent him an email
10:55 nubbins` "TIL the Rolex watch company is run by not-for-profit charitable trusts. So after a certain amount of money goes to Rolex employees & the founding Rolex family, what remains is donated to charities. Some of these charities focus on watchmaking & some on HS education. Rolex founder was an orphan."
11:01 Chillum "Rolex, for people with money but have not taken any effort at all to look into luxury watches!"
11:04 nubbins` Rolex is the Bose of watches
11:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29475 @ 0.00028924 = 8.5253 BTC [+] {2}
11:10 Chillum so true
11:10 Chillum I rock an Omega Speedmaster
11:10 Chillum The only mechanical watch to be on the moon
11:10 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26550 @ 0.00028765 = 7.6371 BTC [-] {2}
11:15 nubbins` i rock a nothing
11:15 nubbins` i hate being encumbered
11:15 * nubbins` stopped carrying a wallet some years ago
11:17 * Chillum keeps on rockin in a "free" world
11:19 nubbins` https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CBoQWvfUkAALe8P.jpg
11:19 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1EWlt3x )
11:19 nubbins` ha
11:25 mats no idea what im looking at
11:26 Chillum I don't get it either
11:26 nubbins` magazine publishes "fashion dos and don'ts"
11:26 nubbins` all the dos are white and all the don'ts are black
11:26 nubbins` this is just a handful
11:27 Chillum "Do be white..." "Don't be black"
11:27 nubbins` pretty much
11:27 Chillum sadly it is good advice
11:27 Chillum depending on where you live
11:27 nubbins` that's not advice
11:28 nubbins` any more than "set the seas aflame" is advice :D
11:29 Chillum both are advice, just not practical advice
11:29 Chillum lots of advice is not actionable
11:29 nubbins` i think it has to at least be /possible/ in order to qualify as advice
11:29 nubbins` just mho
11:30 nubbins` has anyone else attempted to compile 0.5.3.1 with buildroot's cross-toolchain?
11:44 asciilifeform nubbins`: i have not tried your patch yet. will get around to it soon.
11:44 asciilifeform <nubbins`> he doesn't know of anyone else to fund! <<< ahahahahahaha l0l no.
11:45 asciilifeform that is not the reason.
11:45 nubbins` 8)
11:46 nubbins` tried your ldd trick, it claims "not a dynamic executable"
11:46 asciilifeform nubbins`: on what machine ?
11:46 nubbins` gentoo amd64
11:46 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37800 @ 0.00029022 = 10.9703 BTC [+] {3}
11:46 asciilifeform nubbins`: i was quite unable to use anything but arch-arm's ldd for this.
11:46 nubbins` o?
11:46 asciilifeform aha.
11:47 nubbins` http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=z9pDGqMY
11:47 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1EWrAVn )
11:48 nubbins` i'm still having some issues getting a sensible bitcoind built for the pogo w/ the buildroot toolchain
11:49 asciilifeform <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2015/no-such-labs-snsa-march-2015-statement << neato
11:49 assbot No Such lAbs (S.NSA), March 2015 Statement on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1EWrVro )
11:49 asciilifeform nubbins`: what kind of issues ?
11:49 asciilifeform (i recall it came up before, but my hands were full)
11:49 nubbins` compiler complains about -m32 flag
11:49 asciilifeform hmm
11:49 nubbins` now i'd been using the release auto.sh with the cross-compile modifications from your pogotron auto.sh
11:50 nubbins` what i'm gonna try next is your unmodified auto.sh
11:50 nubbins` i'm sure it's just some mishmash of flags, building 32bit on 64
11:50 nubbins` weird little gotcha sort of thing
11:50 asciilifeform unrelated, but yesterday's experiment turns out to be a failure - constants of 25 and 10 both lead to oom somewhere north of 132K blocks
11:50 nubbins` bummer
11:51 asciilifeform beginning to suspect that valgrind isn't seeing the whole picture
11:55 asciilifeform * Vexual is now known as marinateincaeram ... << mega-backchannel-lulz
11:55 nubbins` for reference, there's a handful of buildroot toolchain options i've had to enable to get the bitcoind build past certain points: c++ support, ipv6 support, large file support, possibly also wchar and rpc support
11:56 asciilifeform <PeterL> the mailman, and he is going to stop delivering my mail if I don't meet his demands in the next two weeks << i was once excommunicated from the u.s. post for a few weeks. had tiny mailbox that would fill with spam over mere days when i left town. when full enough, long enough - excommunication
11:57 asciilifeform nubbins`: ipv6 ?!?!?!!
11:57 asciilifeform kill!
11:57 nubbins` it complained!
11:57 asciilifeform it -does not belong- in bitcoin
11:57 asciilifeform wchar ?!
11:57 asciilifeform kill!
11:57 asciilifeform wtf
11:57 nubbins` now in fairness i think specifically boost wanted most of these
11:57 asciilifeform what is this nonsense.
11:57 asciilifeform have you examined its config flags ?
11:57 nubbins` boost is that big thing the weird brain guy from TMNT used to live in
11:57 asciilifeform betcha you can de-wchar it
11:58 nubbins` boost's? nope, it's on the list
11:58 nubbins` http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110225161210/villains/images/e/ec/Krang's_robot.jpg
11:58 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1EWuf1B )
11:59 nubbins` i'd like to de-everything it
11:59 nubbins` the squishy pink stuff in the middle is what we're actually using
11:59 asciilifeform nubbins`: unfortunately satoshi's thing happens to be written -in- boost
11:59 asciilifeform (it is arguably more of the language in the turd than cpp per se)
11:59 nubbins` it's a framework beast, in other words
12:00 asciilifeform it isn't removable
12:00 asciilifeform if considering removal, might as well carry on with the ada rewrite.
12:00 nubbins` yeah
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12:42 nubbins` avocado oil is amazing
12:42 assbot AMAZING COMPANY!
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13:03 mircea_popescu asciilifeform & wimc : so rms sez he never heard of libnss before, and can't even recall what it does.
13:03 mircea_popescu foss seriously has a problem by now. and it is of the nature of alf's "fits in head" thing.
13:04 asciilifeform ahahahaha.
13:04 mircea_popescu it's not even fucking funny.
13:04 * asciilifeform not surprised for a nanosecond.
13:04 mircea_popescu and i don't believe the man is anything but 100% honest.
13:04 asciilifeform i very much believe him.
13:05 mircea_popescu this is why the nsa even exists still.
13:05 asciilifeform honest - yes. but in a kind of self-imposed exile from worldly things.
13:05 asciilifeform he had the option of 'becoming apolitical' (yes, sounds odd to use this phrase to describe rms, but it applies) - and he took it.
13:05 mircea_popescu this is their charter. "our continued existence is a fortunate byproduct of the situation where nobody even knows what's in the boxes."
13:05 mircea_popescu what do you eman by "apolitical" ?
13:06 mircea_popescu am i apolitical ?
13:06 mircea_popescu is linus ?
13:06 asciilifeform rm is apolitical in precisely the sense mircea_popescu is not
13:06 asciilifeform linus is close to getting there
13:06 mircea_popescu is apolitical = "i don't give a shit about whatever your ideology may be" ?
13:06 asciilifeform it means that if a pile of shit stinks too loudly he has the option of turning his nose and pretending it isn't there - and takes it
13:07 mircea_popescu i don't see this actually describes either situation.
13:07 asciilifeform linus either does not notice poettering (unlikely) or (more plausibly) does not give a damn
13:07 mircea_popescu exactly.
13:07 mircea_popescu happens to be the correct stance. why would he give a damn ?
13:07 asciilifeform to smite the vermin ?
13:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26835 @ 0.00029122 = 7.8149 BTC [+]
13:07 mircea_popescu this is an aesthetic consideration.
13:07 asciilifeform do we kill mice, roaches, by pretending they aren't there ?
13:07 mircea_popescu it can never be the proper purview of ethics.
13:08 mircea_popescu (ie you can't tell anyone what to do out of their own aesthetic sense)
13:08 asciilifeform well sure. so his aesthetics have a place for mice in his home.
13:08 mircea_popescu in your home.
13:08 asciilifeform aha precisely
13:08 asciilifeform this is the difference.
13:09 asciilifeform these mice tunnel through time and space.
13:09 mircea_popescu the alternative (where he does things to your home) is eerily socialist.
13:09 asciilifeform i see the mice, if we run with them, as inhabiting - his bakery
13:09 mircea_popescu this argument i can see
13:09 mircea_popescu but you must grant it's faint.
13:10 asciilifeform i buy a loaf and therein are turds.
13:10 asciilifeform at any rate rms distanced himself from the userland 'big picture' long ago, when 'hurd' was still a going concern
13:11 mircea_popescu libnss is not userland.
13:11 mircea_popescu it's c "core" in the sense that lo and behold, ruins linkability.
13:11 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the traditional 'magisteria' are kernel-land and user-land
13:11 asciilifeform not my terminology, but that of ancestors.
13:11 mircea_popescu you can not statically link anything now.
13:11 mircea_popescu this is kernel-land.
13:11 asciilifeform but yes, compiler is infrastructure. and the bridges - are falling, falling down.
13:12 asciilifeform (what would it take to get rms in here so i don't have to play archaeologo-psychiatrist on him ?)
13:12 mircea_popescu im linking him.
13:12 chetty well at least I know now why I have been unable to build a static Eulora
13:12 asciilifeform !
13:12 mircea_popescu ^
13:13 mircea_popescu you know for how long we had this problem ?
13:13 mircea_popescu it never fucking occurerd to me, or to anyone else.
13:13 chetty since this first day I took on Eulora ----
13:13 mircea_popescu because it's just, for reasons that drive me very angry, something you think about.
13:13 asciilifeform chetty: i will be -very- surprised if a static build of a proggy involving a 3d board is possible on linux or other extant os
13:13 mircea_popescu right.
13:13 asciilifeform most of them require a gnarly dynamic shim (opengl or otherwise)
13:14 mircea_popescu "hey, if your program uses video, or the internet, you can't make it!"
13:14 mircea_popescu "why tyvm!"
13:14 chetty well it has the gnarly shim of opengl and still wont
13:14 mircea_popescu no but that it can't link statically because it's what it is, like dns.
13:15 chetty well after nextrelease I will go take the crowbar to it again ---
13:16 mircea_popescu first we make the thing gpg.
13:17 asciilifeform chetty: so it was not only opengl that was the barrier to static link ?
13:18 asciilifeform in eulora
13:18 chetty nope there is more, dont know what all, had to step away and work on other parts of it
13:20 chetty I got as far as having it claim it built a static, but then it really wasn't and wouldn't run without the libs
13:20 asciilifeform chetty: precisely where i ended up with 'portatronic bitcoind' - static-but-for-libc
13:20 asciilifeform !s pseudostatic
13:20 assbot 1 results for 'pseudostatic' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=pseudostatic
13:21 chetty well seems I am in good company with this one anyway :)
13:25 mircea_popescu !up whaack
13:25 mircea_popescu asciilifeform i cc'd you.
13:26 asciilifeform mircea_popescu, chetty, et al: in yet another - arguably inverted! - manifestation of The Problem, it appears that valgrind's dynamic substitution for memory allocator -does not cover all of bitcoind!-
13:26 mircea_popescu it wouldn't.
13:26 mircea_popescu so no, you're not the only to have run it in anger.
13:26 asciilifeform i can say with some confidence that there are leaks which -do not pertain to the bastardnodes mechanism- !
13:26 mircea_popescu you're the first to publicly declare this ancient secret.
13:27 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: got the letter, yes.
13:28 whaack ty, I've reached a point in my life where I can't stand working for VC money anymore. But I have an issue where I don't know of a better way to get bitcoins faster than milk a SF dev valley job and buy them with fiat. I've come for guidance on the issue
13:28 mircea_popescu a number of people here are doing the same.
13:28 asciilifeform whaack: let me know if you learn the answer to this one. it eludes me.
13:28 mircea_popescu many people in the history of the world did a job that stank. eventually either the stench kills you or you make enough to no longer need it.
13:29 punkman valgrind's dynamic substitution for memory allocator -does not cover all of bitcoind << I'm guessing it's that custom allocator for some privkey data types
13:29 asciilifeform punkman: not related to the privkey mechanisms (they are not active in my test rig.)
13:30 asciilifeform whaack: at least get out of the deepest circle of hell. nowhere is it written that a programmer must live in sf valley.
13:30 mircea_popescu maybe he likes the heat.
13:31 asciilifeform 'taste the meat but not the heat'
13:31 whaack asciilifeform: I'm actually in NYC, my job is just under the category of a "valley" job
13:32 whaack and I'm actually planning on spending the summer in SF to check it out, I'm still in school taking a year off of MIT
13:32 asciilifeform whaack: nyc is in the broad class of chumpatrons where the workers let virtually their entire post-tax pay go to the real-estate hucksters
13:32 punkman asciilifeform: there's also a SecureString thing in there
13:32 mircea_popescu yeah, the whole thing reeks of ms
13:32 asciilifeform punkman: again in the wallet mechanism only.
13:33 asciilifeform punkman: that code is not executing in my tests.
13:33 asciilifeform punkman: my preliminary experiments point to the db.
13:34 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14900 @ 0.00028765 = 4.286 BTC [-]
13:34 mircea_popescu because, asciilifeform, the unpleasant fact of the matter is, satoshi was one of those.
13:34 asciilifeform one of what ?
13:34 asciilifeform ms victims ?
13:34 asciilifeform indisputably.
13:35 mircea_popescu i cant find the link in recent log
13:35 mircea_popescu oh 1st april
13:35 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2015#1083740
13:35 assbot Logged on 02-04-2015 03:27:21; asciilifeform: when you scratch the surface, you always find some imbecile who develops on winblows, and then asks 'whatchalookingat'
13:35 asciilifeform yeah - them.
13:36 mircea_popescu yeah. him.
13:36 asciilifeform i actually knew as much when first learned that bitcoin was heavy on the cppisms.
13:37 asciilifeform folks who grow up outside of the winshitsphere tend to not do that.
13:37 asciilifeform if they use cpp at all, it is as a cautious 'c with classes'
13:38 mircea_popescu asciilifeform it's outrageous, but hey. can you evaluate the time needeed to patch libnss into behaving correctly ?
13:38 mircea_popescu ie, "no dynamic module loading, recompile or get lost" ?
13:39 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: from my preliminary investigations, was not able to come up with a reasonable picture of what it'd take. similar to my vast underestimation of what it'd take to hammer bitcoind into sanity.
13:40 mircea_popescu myeah. heard it twice this month.
13:40 mircea_popescu buggers.
13:40 asciilifeform the one saving grace is that i'm fairly certain we can shed libnss entirely from this project
13:40 asciilifeform if we nix -all- invocations of dns
13:40 mircea_popescu well for that side. yes.
13:40 asciilifeform for that side.
13:40 gabriel_laddel whaack: there are a few obvious ways to make btc atm
13:40 gabriel_laddel - btc hosting (check logs)
13:40 gabriel_laddel - http://trilema.com/2013/so-whos-running-the-courts-circus/
13:40 assbot So who's running the Courts circus ? on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1CEKD30 )
13:40 gabriel_laddel - http://trilema.com/2012/probably-the-hottest-business-idea-of-the-moment-in-btc/ (imho this needs wait until #b-a disto)
13:40 assbot Probably the hottest business idea of the moment in BTC... on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1CEKFIa )
13:40 gabriel_laddel - gossipd (check logs)
13:40 mircea_popescu https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=764680 << for added lulz.
13:41 asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: i can't speak for the fella, but i suspect that he is looking for a btc substitute for his day job. which is not likely to exist.
13:41 mircea_popescu not in the same terms, at least.
13:41 asciilifeform not in the customary 'keep showing up, you keep eating, hell or high water' terms
13:42 gabriel_laddel Move to argentina, purchase pallets of rice + lots of steak. Code.
13:42 whaack gabriel_laddel: such as?
13:42 mircea_popescu you'd have to be insane to do that. you can buy pre-made "milanesas", cook them yourself, runs you a dollar a day or some shit.
13:42 gabriel_laddel whaack: see the above logs
13:42 asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: first launch satellite and persuade someone to peer net access to it, for you
13:42 mircea_popescu (milanesa = breaded thin steaks, i dunno what you'd call it, snitzel ?)
13:43 gabriel_laddel asciilifeform: pardon?
13:43 asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: man does not live by steak alone.
13:43 mircea_popescu schnitzel.
13:43 gabriel_laddel ^
13:44 mircea_popescu asciilifeform if you can't find cunt in argentina the problem is deeper than the sea.
13:44 asciilifeform maybe i'm missing something
13:44 mircea_popescu and yes man lives by steak and clams alone.
13:44 gabriel_laddel My point is that food and rent are cheap if you go to the correct place. Also, if you're betting on btc taking over the world, bet on it.
13:44 gabriel_laddel not that one /must/ do this, just an option
13:45 mircea_popescu eh, let the man have his fil of teh us, he's young.
13:45 asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: almost invariably i find that something important is -not- cheap in such places where the food is cheap... but more power to you if you discover exception
13:46 mircea_popescu asciilifeform become a *theoretical* physicist alf. pens & paper are cheap everywhere :D
13:46 asciilifeform (example: what is the cost of inhabiting a free-standing building with mains current, temperature control, and good fiber net? free-standing at least to the extent that you can't hear screaming children, smell neighbours' shit, etc)
13:46 mircea_popescu damned engineers and their insatiable hunger for rube goldberg items
13:46 mircea_popescu asciilifeform if you're willing to live with a woman, free. you have to find her.
13:46 asciilifeform theoretical still needs to house library.
13:46 mircea_popescu otherwise, about 2-500
13:46 asciilifeform and buy quietspace
13:47 asciilifeform (in that sense i often envy jurov his mechanical ear)
13:47 asciilifeform ^ it comes with 'off' switch
13:47 mircea_popescu i don't think he's too happy with it.
13:47 gabriel_laddel asciilifeform: We're not discussing you though. We're discussing whaack
13:47 gabriel_laddel I understand your needs to some degree.
13:47 asciilifeform must confess, i can't speak for him, yes
13:47 mircea_popescu gabriel_laddel he's very tender on the topic for some reason.
13:47 asciilifeform 'who will speak of what, but the dog - of fleas', yes
13:47 asciilifeform it is a kinda favourite of mine.
13:48 mircea_popescu it's a slippery slope.
13:48 gabriel_laddel Lol, this has been discussed so much I've actually a list of foods to bribe stas with
13:48 mircea_popescu men not speaking of children has resulted in the current disaster.
13:48 gabriel_laddel soviet cocolate
13:48 gabriel_laddel sprats
13:48 mircea_popescu sprats off of smallish natasha tits!
13:48 * asciilifeform remembers to restock, has lately run short on sprat
13:48 gabriel_laddel haha
13:49 asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 'libnss-pgsql: maintainer address bounces' <<< l0l!!!
13:49 mircea_popescu ru chicks, and especially small ru (ie, ukrainian) chicks grow tall, slender, and with this very specific b cup
13:49 mircea_popescu just as much an ethnotype as the turkic heavy ass set.
13:50 mircea_popescu (thick black hair - think kardashian, a fine specimen)
13:51 mircea_popescu asciilifeform they managed to create the perfect fucking beast yo. a nsa package that ruins free and open software, nobody knows about and apparently nobody maintains or ever maintained.
13:51 mircea_popescu "just one of those things". like rain, or the usg.
13:51 mircea_popescu "google - is"
13:51 mircea_popescu if there isn't another heartbleed in there, someone's been slacking on their job.
13:52 asciilifeform there's definitely some leakage in there, at the very least
13:54 asciilifeform and is anyone else suffering some indigestion at least from the 12 or so detectable instances of jumps-depending-on-uninitialized-values in -the wallet handling code- ?
13:54 asciilifeform of bitcoind 0.5.3.1
13:54 mircea_popescu gabriel_laddel anyway, i'll bet you i'll have him publicly recant his soviet chocolate cant. the chocolate here... o mai gawd.
13:55 mircea_popescu asciilifeform but we're not using the wallet code in 0.5.3
13:55 mircea_popescu as ben_vulpes correctly intuited.
13:55 asciilifeform me - no
13:55 * asciilifeform is actually ready to believe that chocolate is delicious more or less everywhere outside of the anglo reich
13:55 mircea_popescu this stuff specifically tho. but we see.
13:55 mircea_popescu you recall how conference 2 had local champagne ? this will have local chocolate instead.
13:55 gabriel_laddel $conference
13:56 mircea_popescu im thinking one pound. because you shouldn't be able to put away more than that in a weekend.
13:56 asciilifeform to the extent 'modern' walletrons are descended from what i'm seeing here...
13:56 asciilifeform !up whaack
13:56 mircea_popescu !up whaack
13:56 mircea_popescu you should get in wot yo.
13:57 whaack i've been working on it
13:57 mircea_popescu !h
13:57 assbot http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot
13:58 whaack i just got a new laptop (well a new old laptop) installed linux, took out wireless comm, and got a gpg key generated offline
13:58 gabriel_laddel <mircea_popescu> gabriel_laddel he's very tender on the topic for some reason. << the lady doth protest too much, methinks
14:04 mircea_popescu bbl
14:18 asciilifeform !up whaack
14:23 whaack ty
14:24 whaack !rate asciilifeform 1 appears to be good at comp. security
14:24 assbot You must be rated before you can rate.
14:26 nubbins` asciilifeform is actually ready to believe that chocolate is delicious more or less everywhere outside of the anglo reich <<< canadian Cadbury chocolate contains british milk
14:26 nubbins` american cadbury's chocolate... is made by hershey's/
14:26 asciilifeform nubbins`: iirc - not for long
14:26 asciilifeform nubbins`: kraft bought it.
14:26 nubbins` :(
14:26 nubbins` could this be the end of Jersey Milk bars?!
14:27 * nubbins` stocks up on Fruit & Nut
14:27 nubbins` compared to cadbury chocolate, hershey's is like dollar-store easter eggs
14:27 asciilifeform kraft will make short work of cadbury.
14:28 nubbins` i might have to switch over to Ritter Sport
14:28 nubbins` (also quite good)
14:29 asciilifeform kraft would like the whole planet to join its 'feast of engineering' (TM)
14:29 whaack so is http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets out of date? I just need to register with assbot, correct?
14:30 trinque whaack: yeah, follow the register instructions here http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot?s[]=assbot
14:30 trinque er... there aren't instructions, just do the !register command
14:30 nubbins` http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/food-and-wine/canadas-keeping-classic-cadbury-eggs-as-britons-fret-changes-to-recipe/article22548202/
14:30 assbot While Britain scrambles its Cadbury egg recipe, Canada's keeping it classic - The Globe and Mail ... ( http://bit.ly/1HxZltP )
14:30 nubbins` o.O
14:30 nubbins` maybe there's hope after all
14:32 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13600 @ 0.00028425 = 3.8658 BTC [-]
14:43 nubbins` here's the shared libs that 0.5.3.1 on darwin hauls in:
14:43 nubbins` http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=0g5esJQs
14:43 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1GUnYCO )
14:47 ben_vulpes buenos dias
14:49 ben_vulpes http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-04-2015#1088404 << how's this coming, btw?
14:49 assbot Logged on 04-04-2015 17:40:43; gabriel_laddel: - http://trilema.com/2012/probably-the-hottest-business-idea-of-the-moment-in-btc/ (imho this needs wait until #b-a disto)
14:50 trinque ben_vulpes: that's an *excellent* business idea
14:51 nubbins` http://presschain.com/arrested-dea-agent-linked-to-bitcoin-foundation-chairman-peter-vessenes/
14:51 assbot Arrested DEA Agent linked to Bitcoin Foundation Chairman, Peter Vessenes | Presschain ... ( http://bit.ly/1GUozV8 )
14:53 trinque nubbins`: I'm gonna need a cork board with pins and string at this point
14:54 ben_vulpes nubbins`: are you working with buildroot from within a gentoo vm on your mac?
14:55 nubbins` yes
14:55 nubbins` hence the 3.5h compiles
14:55 ben_vulpes dag.
14:56 ben_vulpes is that to compile buildroot itself or using buildroot to compile linuxen?
14:56 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24100 @ 0.00029122 = 7.0184 BTC [+]
14:57 nubbins` ah both
14:57 ben_vulpes 3.5 apiece or summed?
14:57 nubbins` summed
14:57 ben_vulpes i see
14:57 nubbins` that's to compile a cross-toolchain, and a kernel with rootfs
14:57 ben_vulpes what are you using for virtualization? vagrant/virtualbox?
14:57 nubbins` virtualbox
14:58 nubbins` and various other things like uboot, w/e
14:58 nubbins` anyway, this is all on a 7yo laptop
14:58 ben_vulpes !s gentoo systemd
14:58 assbot 19 results for 'gentoo systemd' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=gentoo+systemd
14:58 nubbins` so the poor vm has half of a core 2 duo and 4gb ram
14:58 nubbins` i'm not using systemd
14:59 ben_vulpes i'm looking for the 'how to gentoo without systemd for noobs' link
14:59 nubbins` let me find the guide i followed
14:59 trinque ben_vulpes: you don't end up with systemd unless you ask for it
15:00 trinque you get openrc by default
15:00 nubbins` https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:Main_Page
15:00 assbot Handbook:Main Page - Gentoo Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1GUpmW1 )
15:00 nubbins` yeah
15:00 nubbins` pick your arch at the top and go ahead
15:00 nubbins` like trinque says, you have to explicitly choose systemd
15:01 nubbins` https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:AMD64/Installation/Base#Optional:_Using_systemd
15:01 assbot Installing the Gentoo base system - Gentoo Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1GUptRm )
15:01 nubbins` "The remainder of the Gentoo Handbook focuses on OpenRC as the default init support system. If systemd is wanted instead, or are planning to use Gnome 3.8 and later (which requires systemd), please consult the systemd page as it elaborates on the different configuration settings and methods."
15:01 trinque gentoo has a concept of "profile" which sets a bunch of defaults in use flags, masks, etc
15:02 trinque you'd have to choose a systemd profile which is not the default
15:02 trinque you will in the default profile end up with systemd's udev though
15:02 trinque lemme see what I did about that per asciilifeform's suggestion
15:03 trinque sys-fs/udev in /etc/portage/package.mask
15:03 nubbins` $ ls /etc/portage/package.mask/
15:03 nubbins` libtool openrc perl
15:03 trinque removed that, installed eudev
15:03 trinque nubbins`: what are you masking related to openrc?
15:04 nubbins` <sys-apps/openrc-0.13.0
15:04 nubbins` <sys-process/procps-3.3.9-r2
15:04 trinque you use sysvinit? or is that meant to keep you from getting an old version of openrc?
15:05 nubbins` ah, i just followed the handbook
15:05 nubbins` literally nothing customized
15:06 trinque I haven't been through the handbook in a while
15:06 trinque ben_vulpes: probably best to just do whatever's in that first, then blowtorch crud after you have a working system
15:11 ben_vulpes blee
15:11 ben_vulpes i guess today is gentoo quest
15:12 * ben_vulpes sacrifices today on the altar of lizard hitler
15:14 nubbins` have phun
15:20 ben_vulpes nubbins`, trinque: any particular vintage of gentoo recommended?
15:20 nubbins` i'm using latest, shrug
15:21 nubbins` any tools you wanna use afterwards (e.g. vintage gcc etc) can be grabbed through portage
15:22 nubbins` i don't know if there's any particular advantage to using an older version of the base os
15:23 trinque ben_vulpes: there's no real concept of a "release" aside from the version of the base layout
15:27 trinque ben_vulpes: is this for a VM or metal?
15:28 trinque also I'd just go into it expecting that you'll emerge -avuDN @world over and over again
15:28 trinque until you have the use flags and keywords you want
15:29 ben_vulpes trinque: VM. no metal in this hobbit-hole not running macbsd.
15:30 trinque yeah so probably defaults to start, then use flags.. all you're gonna need to worry about
15:33 trinque ben_vulpes: what's your vm thing?
15:34 trinque parallels?
15:35 nubbins` you can's spell parallels without lels
15:35 trinque nubbins`: I almost wrote parallols, haha
15:35 nubbins` :D
15:36 trinque https://github.com/regit/regit-config << might be helpful if it's virtualbox
15:36 assbot regit/regit-config · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1NJvT5U )
15:36 trinque though of course look over the config yourself and see if it's sane
15:36 trinque or you can just genkernel it up and you'll end up with something that'll probably boot
15:39 nubbins` woo buildroot finished
15:39 * nubbins` attempts to cross-compile static bitcoind again
15:44 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21600 @ 0.00029122 = 6.2904 BTC [+]
15:50 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21200 @ 0.00028875 = 6.1215 BTC [-]
15:51 asciilifeform achtung, panzers!
15:51 asciilifeform http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-April/000084.html
15:51 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1MQuTBZ )
15:51 asciilifeform [BTC-dev] Process mem. stats from heathen pogo running ineffectual orphanage burner (max==5)
15:53 ben_vulpes trinque: virtualbox
16:00 mats http://www.fulltable.com/vts/f/fortune/xa/25.jpg
16:00 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1MQwbg9 )
16:14 nubbins` "If you are making a web video, or a documentary, or a podcast and you're picking music to go with it, do me a favor and think to yourself "could this music be used in a bank commercial? Or a Target ad?" And if the answer is "yes" please pick something else."
16:19 mircea_popescu notbad.jpg
16:19 ben_vulpes so the 'static' build i produced on my deb 6 VM wasn't *truly* static, but claimed to be even though it dynamically linked into libnss on whatever system on which it ran successfully?
16:20 mircea_popescu yes.
16:20 ben_vulpes and the bug discovered in gcc is that it *warns* about this but does not die when run with static compile flags?
16:23 mircea_popescu the bug discovered in gcc is that it allows libnss to even be linked AT ALL.
16:23 mircea_popescu in no way different from pulling in windoze.dll or anything else.
16:24 mircea_popescu then rms has to catch hell about "not supporting lldb". how about you know, taking libnss the fuck out with a hot poker.
16:24 nubbins` mp that quote was from the guy who did the bird books i've posted pictures of
16:24 mircea_popescu "o but dns wouldn't work anymore" "fuck you"
16:24 nubbins` ben_vulpes which libs does it dynamically link to?
16:24 mircea_popescu nubbins` he has the right idea, too much lazy thinking around.
16:24 nubbins` mircea_popescu guy has 17(?) albums, he knows a thing or two
16:25 mircea_popescu somehow you ended up in spamlist nubbins`
16:25 mircea_popescu ah cuz link.
16:27 ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: "linked at all" << (bear with my unsavvy, please) so gcc instructed to build statically should fail to link libnss because it dynamically links to system libs, but gcc instructed to build dynamicall should not fail under these conditions?
16:28 mircea_popescu no. libnss should not be a package available at all;.
16:28 mircea_popescu because it does not meet the criteria for what a package is.
16:28 mircea_popescu !up SonjaEaton
16:28 SonjaEaton Hello
16:28 mircea_popescu hi.
16:29 ben_vulpes what are the criteria for 'packagehood'?
16:29 mircea_popescu and yes that means dns is not implemented. which it isn't, whether this kludge is available or not.
16:29 mircea_popescu that it builds statically when instructed to build statically.
16:30 SonjaEaton meow
16:30 mircea_popescu and that the code is available.
16:30 SonjaEaton mircea_popescu, meowmix
16:30 mircea_popescu (if you think about it, you realise how "doesn't build statically" is === "code is not available")
16:31 SonjaEaton down me!
16:31 ben_vulpes because it does not come complete with everything required for it to run, and depends on state of local machine doing the compiling?
16:31 SonjaEaton mircea_popescu, down me!
16:31 ben_vulpes state including libs it needs to run?
16:31 SonjaEaton down me!
16:31 SonjaEaton down me!
16:31 SonjaEaton down me!
16:31 mircea_popescu because i can not understand what it does on the basis of what it is.
16:31 mircea_popescu this is what the difference between us and them is.
16:31 SonjaEaton down me!
16:31 SonjaEaton down me!
16:31 SonjaEaton down me!
16:31 SonjaEaton down me!
16:32 ben_vulpes hm.
16:33 nubbins` !up SonjaEaton
16:33 * ben_vulpes returns to gentoo quest
16:33 ben_vulpes http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=%21up+bagels7 << also lol dpb's got a crush
16:33 assbot 51 results for '!up bagels7' - #bitcoin-assets search
16:33 nubbins` http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=NuPxjdSL
16:33 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1y6z3iL )
16:33 SonjaEaton i said DOWN ME
16:33 nubbins` getting hundreds of these
16:34 SonjaEaton bitcoin sucks
16:34 mircea_popescu it really takes some expert minds to get numeric computing to this point where numbers are a problem in themselves.
16:35 SonjaEaton ioewjroiwejroiwej riwje riow jeroijw e
16:35 SonjaEaton i love you mircea_popescu
16:37 mircea_popescu also, check out south africa! http://moejackson.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/th_natasha-barnard.jpg
16:37 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1IyRBrJ )
16:38 SonjaEaton mircea_popescu, ho
16:39 MeowMix does anyone use gentoo
16:39 ben_vulpes hola pete_dushenski
16:39 pete_dushenski heya ben
16:39 danielpbarron MeowMix, where are you located? you have a hostmask that is near me i think
16:39 MeowMix danielpbarron, vermont
16:40 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32950 @ 0.0002887 = 9.5127 BTC [-] {2}
16:40 MeowMix yawn
16:47 cazalla http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-04-2015#1088185 <<< he uses it too, responded to my email enquiring if it was him that posted it
16:47 assbot Logged on 04-04-2015 14:11:25; punkman: http://www.olivierjanssens.com/ hey at least there's gpg right there on the frontpage.
16:48 mircea_popescu incidentally cazalla, how about an interview with burtw ?
16:49 pete_dushenski http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2015#1087358 << check out all the sweet latin proverbs!
16:49 assbot Logged on 03-04-2015 23:06:15; asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVEPnAGZLyE << proper uncut version
16:49 mircea_popescu i for one am kinda curious to hear what it's like to be one of the usg cattle that actually got the knife.
16:49 cazalla i'll see what i can do
16:49 mircea_popescu :)
16:49 pete_dushenski latin proverbs: for impressing friends and making brain work. double win!
16:50 mircea_popescu you know who he is, the law abiding middle class type that got raped by usg because hey, socialism has no middle class.
16:52 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=01-04-2015#1082084
16:52 assbot Logged on 01-04-2015 05:40:11; mircea_popescu: "The www.burtw.com web site is real. It was put up by my wife (JeanW on here now). To answer some questions posted above: I traded on localbitcoins.com. The prosecutor in the case claims I needed a business money transmittal license to do that. Instead of just notifying me that they though I might need a license they have charged me with a felony which could mean up to 5 years in prison and a $2
16:52 cazalla i think the guys blog details what a nightmare its been for his family
16:52 mircea_popescu right.
16:53 mircea_popescu pete_dushenski amusingly, the "pes sic tendatur ne lodix protereatur" one doesn't seem to be known in english
16:54 pete_dushenski it's 'live within your means' from my reading
16:54 pete_dushenski ya ?
16:54 mircea_popescu "cut your jacket by the cloth you have available"
16:55 pete_dushenski sort of 'known in english' but not practised so much
16:55 nubbins` re: all those errors
16:55 nubbins` http://lists.busybox.net/pipermail/buildroot/2011-August/045039.html
16:55 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1IyU2up )
16:55 pete_dushenski when cheap credit abounds, it's almost anti-social to live within your means
16:56 pete_dushenski which in itself is quite funny that being 'social' so closely relates to be 'socialist' for esl world
16:57 mircea_popescu when cheap credit abounds being antisocial is a moral imperative.
16:57 mircea_popescu hence <nubbins`> "If you are making a web video, or a documentary, or a podcast and you're picking music to go with it, do me a favor and think to yourself "could this music be used in a bank commercial? Or a Target ad?" And if the answer is "yes" please pick something else."
16:58 ben_vulpes so it needs to be a 32 bit vm to compile pythongs for arm?!
16:58 nubbins` i don't think bitcoind needs python, i think it's just compiling EVERYTHING in boost
16:59 pete_dushenski morality: quod licet iovi, non licet bovi.
16:59 nubbins` but yes, on 32-bit machine this apparently doesn't happen. might be workaroundable
16:59 pete_dushenski to take another proverb from 'icarus' short
17:01 ben_vulpes nubbins`: how would one go about determining what parts of boost weren't needed and then compiling boost without those bits?
17:01 nubbins` \o/
17:01 ben_vulpes ya me either
17:01 nubbins` it's on the list
17:01 mircea_popescu putcha arms in da air like you jus dun care...
17:02 trinque chop one, compile, chop another, compile...
17:03 trinque ben_vulpes: for python.. ./bootstrap.sh --without-libraries=python
17:03 trinque and also --without-python to the bjam step
17:03 mircea_popescu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDrze-T4A1Y
17:03 assbot Cameo - Word Up - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1IyUWHe )
17:04 nubbins` oo ty
17:06 mircea_popescu the 90s. so fucken broken in retrospective.
17:07 nubbins` ^
17:08 mircea_popescu i think stylistically the 20s looked just as broken in 1935.
17:09 mircea_popescu orwell seems to think so at any rate.
17:10 nubbins` sknxxxxxx you need to enable stack protection in buildroot toolchain
17:10 * nubbins` starts over
17:13 mircea_popescu !up whaack
17:13 mircea_popescu !rate whaack 1 New blood
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17:14 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-04-2015#1088495 << that's prolly the only supermaket chocolate brand that's edible.
17:14 assbot Logged on 04-04-2015 18:28:03; nubbins`: i might have to switch over to Ritter Sport
17:14 whaack http://img.pandawhale.com/post-30824-Jack-Nicholson-Creepy-Nodding-t5bI.gif
17:14 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1y6BlOT )
17:15 ben_vulpes nubbins`: hopefully you're taking notes
17:15 mircea_popescu whaack now you can self-up. try it.
17:15 mircea_popescu !down whaack
17:16 mircea_popescu nubbins` /usr/lib/libz.1.dylib << wtf is zlib doing in there ?!
17:17 mircea_popescu /usr/local/lib/gcc/4.9/libgcc_s.1.dylib << for crying out loud.
17:18 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-04-2015#1088514 << you don't say.
17:18 assbot Logged on 04-04-2015 18:51:06; assbot: Arrested DEA Agent linked to Bitcoin Foundation Chairman, Peter Vessenes | Presschain ... ( http://bit.ly/1GUozV8 )
17:18 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27336 @ 0.00029122 = 7.9608 BTC [+]
17:20 mircea_popescu " As you may recall, there was public outcry during the fall of Mt. Gox as to why the Bitcoin Foundation “never once warned Bitcoin investors about keeping deposits in Mt. Gox, despite clear red flags dating back to at least April 2013"
17:20 mircea_popescu heh.
17:22 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-04-2015#1088535 << this should srsly be in the b-a wiki.
17:22 assbot Logged on 04-04-2015 18:59:06; ben_vulpes: i'm looking for the 'how to gentoo without systemd for noobs' link
17:23 trinque mircea_popescu: instructions amount to "don't install it" plus eudev not udev
17:23 mircea_popescu whatever they are. should be there.
17:23 mircea_popescu wd.
17:23 whaack ty :)
17:24 nubbins` ;;google gentoo handbook
17:24 gribble Handbook:Main Page - Gentoo Wiki: <https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:Main_Page>; Handbook:AMD64 - Gentoo Wiki: <https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:AMD64>; Gentoo Linux amd64 Handbook: Installing Gentoo - Gentoo Wiki: <https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:AMD64/Full/Installation>
17:24 nubbins` ^ there's yr instructions
17:24 mircea_popescu still should be a b-a wiki page.
17:25 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: lol @ vessenes. another cv bullet point eh
17:25 nubbins` it's per-architecture, and like 10+ pages each
17:25 mircea_popescu pete_dushenski im just saving it to be really smug at mike_c later on, because he was really mindboggled by the entire "usms fraud" thread a while back.
17:25 nubbins` but yes, should be at least smth on wiki
17:26 mircea_popescu memory hole effect. somehow while we clearly see how stupid Xi is, it doesn't end up taring the whole of X equally.
17:26 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: heh. he does get mindboggled on some, uh, unique things
17:26 pete_dushenski qntra share value/market cap also comes to mind
17:26 mircea_popescu i get it tho, it just didn't compute.
17:27 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8500 @ 0.00029122 = 2.4754 BTC [+]
17:27 pete_dushenski but of course, someone has to be skeptical
17:27 mircea_popescu anyway. so much to feel smug about ima going to have some people do it for me.
17:27 nubbins` finishing off the last of this amazing dry calabrese
17:27 assbot AMAZING COMPANY!
17:27 pete_dushenski even if just for the benefit of log readers
17:27 mircea_popescu nubbins` no homo ?
17:28 nubbins` no homo
17:28 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: dat delegation
17:28 mircea_popescu cause you know... when all you eat is sausage...
17:28 nubbins` popsicles & bananas too
17:28 Adlai impossible to create bitbets with a resolution further than one year!?
17:28 nubbins` have a "hot hungarian salami" that i'm gonna dig into next, caught my eye because pkg said "no refrigeration required"
17:28 nubbins` and NONE of the dry sausage mfg's are brave enough to state this
17:28 * Adlai wanted to create "Vessenes Foundation Outlives Obama Administration"
17:29 mircea_popescu Adlai myeah. was either a year or two. why, what did you have in mind ?
17:29 mircea_popescu if you're willing to seed it significantly it may be hand made.
17:29 Adlai what's "significantly"?
17:29 mircea_popescu nubbins` properly made salami is fine w/o fridge.
17:29 nubbins` oh, no doubt. it's just exceedingly rare for a supermarket sausage to actually say this
17:30 mircea_popescu aha
17:30 mircea_popescu Adlai one of those "if you gotta ask..."
17:30 Adlai myeah
17:30 Adlai well at least it's in the logs now, maybe a sportsman lurker will pick this up
17:30 mircea_popescu even without that, messy bet. what's "outlives" ?
17:30 Adlai bankrupcy, dissolution, or impeachment
17:31 mircea_popescu bfl still lives ? how about bcst ?
17:31 Adlai yes, no.
17:31 mircea_popescu heh.
17:31 mircea_popescu the difference is exactly arbitrary.
17:31 Adlai and the debate is exactly theoretical, because i hadta ask
17:32 Adlai i guess it's more practical than theoretical, but still hypothetical
17:36 nubbins` yearlong bets are yawners
17:36 mircea_popescu "a bitcoind (pseudo-static, portatronic, orphanage-burner patch with max-bastard constant value of 5 running on pogo, heathen linux.)" << i lelled.
17:36 mircea_popescu soon we'll have names for this thing like spanish nobility.
17:36 nubbins` i've begun keeping a glossolalia glossary
17:36 nubbins` just so i can keep track of what the convo is about
17:36 mircea_popescu Pablo, Diego, José, Francisco de Paula, Juan Nepomuceno, Maria de los Remedios, Cipriano de la Santisima Trinidad Ruiz
17:37 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35999 @ 0.00029122 = 10.4836 BTC [+]
17:37 nubbins` reading the logs is like reading cien anos de soledad
17:37 nubbins` "/which/ arcadia buendias is this again?"
17:37 mircea_popescu except it actually takes 100 years, of solitude.
17:37 nubbins` ^^
17:37 mircea_popescu i dunno why alf's so worried about prison.
17:38 nubbins` love in the time of bitcoin
17:38 mircea_popescu he'll finally have time to find the penultimate bug in bitcoin-donut-core
17:38 nubbins` bitcoin timbit
17:38 mircea_popescu then a passing ant can salute his grave
17:39 pete_dushenski nubbins`: timbit < lel
17:40 pete_dushenski for those who don't know, this is what canadians call a 'donut hole'
17:40 mircea_popescu what version control when you have ongregatio de Cultu Divino et Disciplina Sacramentorum references ready ?
17:40 pete_dushenski the tim hortons franchise has 'kleenexed' this pastry
17:41 nubbins` tim hortons is terrible
17:44 pete_dushenski and water's wet.
17:44 pete_dushenski and bitcoind is a mess.
17:50 pete_dushenski http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-04-2015#1088486 << cadbury's is using less 'food' than ever, related: http://www.contravex.com/2015/03/29/the-shoe-shine-kids-great-grandson-and-creme-eggs/
17:50 assbot Logged on 04-04-2015 18:26:15; nubbins`: asciilifeform is actually ready to believe that chocolate is delicious more or less everywhere outside of the anglo reich <<< canadian Cadbury chocolate contains british milk
17:50 assbot The shoe-shine kid’s great-grandson. And creme eggs. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1C27AdS )
17:52 pete_dushenski this is exactly mr. fortunederp's "we never said it was the original source"
17:53 pete_dushenski if cadbury is willing to throw their biggest market under the bus, smaller markets like canada aren't far behind.
17:57 ben_vulpes under the bus?
17:57 mircea_popescu the problem with command economies is that there's no market.
17:57 ben_vulpes it's just a new milking.
17:57 mircea_popescu cadbury produces for ^H^H^H at hte government's pleasure.
17:57 mircea_popescu it will make brown polyester almonds if that's what gets it the sweet sweet qe paper.
17:58 pete_dushenski ben_vulpes: sewers them, poisons them, kills them
17:59 ben_vulpes i'm just a wee confused at the notion that there's some sort of relationship between cadbury and its 'customers' that cadbury is 'throwing under the bus'.
18:01 mircea_popescu myeah.
18:02 ben_vulpes "there are a number of reasons why a large proportion of Gentoo users choose to configure their kernels manually:"
18:02 ben_vulpes ...
18:02 ben_vulpes "4. the learning experience,"
18:03 ben_vulpes "5. severe boredom,"
18:03 ben_vulpes mhm.
18:05 pete_dushenski re: cadbury, i'll grant that 'throwing under the bus' implies that the customer's reputation is being damaged
18:06 pete_dushenski i agree that consumers have expectations, not reputations
18:06 pete_dushenski perhaps simply 'poisoning' would've sufficed
18:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58728 @ 0.00028492 = 16.7328 BTC [-] {4}
18:07 mircea_popescu not the point. the point is that cadbury has the same relationship with random derp buying chocolate as pharma company with random derp taking pills.
18:08 mircea_popescu pharma sells to doctors, and is paid by government.
18:08 mircea_popescu cadbury sells to "institutions" aka govt agencies, and is paid by same way.
18:08 nubbins` https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1006235.0
18:08 assbot Bitcoin digital art prints - Decorate your home in Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1DzLPsa )
18:08 nubbins` ^ woodcollector talking to himself
18:10 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: aha.
18:12 pete_dushenski the government being a customer but not 'a customer' means that it doesn't care about quality in the same way, just quantity
18:12 pete_dushenski which ties back into the earlier discussion about inflation being 15%, not 3%
18:12 mircea_popescu it cares about what the junseth dude was talking about. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-04-2015#1087623
18:12 assbot Logged on 04-04-2015 01:41:41; junseth: RE: college, it's not a fair metric. College inflation is largely a lie. The college I went to cost $45k/year. I paid $3k per year because the number they make you pay and the sticker price are completely different.
18:13 mircea_popescu ie, "fair metrics". if it can be called chocolate so they tick off whatever thing in some paperwork.
18:13 mircea_popescu "chocolate delivered to troops fighting in eurasia"
18:13 mircea_popescu it can be made out of thinned out air for all they care.
18:13 pete_dushenski as long as the press release says "happy troops appreciate reminders of home"
18:13 mircea_popescu heck, the solution of renaming the homeless to "Solve" "the homeless problem" is exactly cosubstantial with how command economies "solve problems".
18:14 mircea_popescu "we have 500 people and 200 fish" "cut fish open, insert 2.5x time their weight of dirt, sew back together"
18:14 pete_dushenski which they do, and since it's been so long since they've had anything resembling chocolate, the imitation stuff works
18:14 mircea_popescu none of this being in any sense a market.
18:14 mircea_popescu as long as we're ticking off words off wordlists we might not even bother with the industry at all.
18:14 mircea_popescu sit all day in starbucks and derp about "technologee"
18:15 mircea_popescu which is what's happening exactly.
18:15 pete_dushenski this is 'the service economy'
18:15 pete_dushenski or 'post-industrial'
18:16 mircea_popescu what is the market ? look at all these two bit "serial entrepreneurs" with their constant start-ups. how often is the news item "previous start-up of X did something" vs "new start-up of X got so many in lolfunding from a) people who wish to be in this press release and b) people he owes money to from the past, and we're not mentioning that past" ?"
18:16 pete_dushenski in a nutshell that's made from lab-modified nuts
18:16 cazalla i live 5 min from an aussie cadbury factory, you'd think you'd be able to smell whatever they make there but nothing
18:16 mircea_popescu the recent derpology wtf was it called perfect example
18:16 mircea_popescu lemme fish it out
18:17 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=03-04-2015#1087331 <<< that thing consists of exactly nothing past the name, there's no value to be created out of the plan exposed. much like "bitcoin embassies in argentina" or the rest of the plowing flies bs.
18:17 assbot Logged on 03-04-2015 22:30:07; jurov: "Erik Voorhees as Founder of ShapeShift, announces seed round with Barry Silbert, Roger Ver" further down
18:18 mircea_popescu meanwhile, silbert is a guy who wants to get his name associated with the space, ver is a meanwhile broke dude who imagines that if he keeps being mentioned he stays relevant, as if, and voorhees just wants to keep his name in the press lest people forget.
18:18 mircea_popescu well, not the sort of people liable to go "hey, what ever became of the coinapult / feedzebirds / whatervs".
18:19 mircea_popescu !up whoopX2
18:19 mircea_popescu ethereum through and through "technologees" you can't even short because nobody actually bought. because no actual market, because no actual anything there.
18:21 pete_dushenski and now the 'crowdfunding' cap is 50 mn bezzlars because the command economy doesn't do nickels and dimes worth a shit
18:21 mircea_popescu so... yeah k, markets are efficient. anglosphere hasn't seen a market in many decades, if indeed it did this century.
18:21 mircea_popescu pete_dushenski and amusingly, this is a very indicative symptom of the problem. if "inflation didn't exist" and all this created value, people would care as much about 10 bucks now as 50 years ago. hey, it's a lunch.
18:22 mircea_popescu but THAT is the true measure of inflation : what VCs find "not worth their time".
18:22 mircea_popescu back when this shit was starting, late 70s/early 80s, a VC partner needed to keep an eye on about 500k - 1mn worth of equity.
18:22 mircea_popescu by now, 50mn is really too low, 100mn more like it.
18:22 mircea_popescu that is (AGAIN!!!) 100x.
18:22 mircea_popescu goes splendidly with the 100x i extracted from real estate and the 100x i extracted from education.
18:23 mircea_popescu and it would go exactly with the exact same 100x you'd get looking at health care.
18:23 mircea_popescu fact is, for the past half century, inflation was about 10`000% total.
18:23 mircea_popescu that's a little over 20% per annum.
18:24 pete_dushenski so if your investments are yielding 20%... you're getting assfucked
18:24 pete_dushenski aren't*
18:24 mircea_popescu no. not at all.
18:24 mircea_popescu if your investmentrs aren't yielding 20% WHILE YOUR POLITICAL CLOUT IS YIELDING 20%!!!
18:25 mircea_popescu if you don't get 100 senators for every senator you had in 1965, you're behind.
18:25 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24700 @ 0.00028076 = 6.9348 BTC [-]
18:25 mircea_popescu conceivably you have to make well over 50% per year to keep up with the bureaucracy inflation that always doubles paper money inflation in a command economy.
18:26 pete_dushenski that sounds... tricky.
18:26 pete_dushenski to yield 50%+ that is
18:26 pete_dushenski buffett did what, 15% per annum over that period
18:26 mircea_popescu which is why (in another, financial-based formulation) the whole shebang's approaching event horizon.
18:26 mircea_popescu specifically because math is math, and the thing can't even keep up with itself.
18:27 mircea_popescu yeah.
18:27 mircea_popescu buffett is a success story in the sense that he managed, with skill and persistence, to get fleeced LESS than anyone else.
18:27 mircea_popescu part of this is his complete neglect of investing in politics, which is why as a senile old man he's writing blanket checks to the government.
18:28 mircea_popescu "i support america because if i didn't, you'd just take it all anyway like putin took X's. I'm no Soros."
18:28 pete_dushenski whereas soros flew the coop ?
18:29 pete_dushenski or just diversified out of hungary or w/e
18:29 mircea_popescu well, one can maintain an independent position
18:30 mircea_popescu (iirc he's still wanted on "tax evasion", which is pretty much the highest accolade of personal achievement the empire can bestow on any free individual)
18:30 ben_vulpes nubbins`: when building your gentoo kernel did you use menuconfig, and if so did you run into errors along the lines of "the cpu you selected does not support the x86_64 instruction set"?
18:30 pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: 'iron cross'
18:30 pete_dushenski !up julmac
18:31 ben_vulpes nubbins`: i'm basically just walking the list of processor types in make menuconfig
18:31 * ben_vulpes hacks gems out of the temple walls
18:32 nubbins` what page of the handbook are you on
18:32 pete_dushenski julmac: and who might you be ?
18:33 nubbins` ben_vulpes actually i think i used genkernel.
18:33 nubbins` bit heavy but w/e
18:33 ben_vulpes well now i'm wondering if i even got the right stage 3
18:34 ben_vulpes nubbins`: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:X86/Installation/Kernel
18:34 assbot Handbook:X86/Installation/Kernel - Gentoo Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1DzP031 )
18:34 nubbins` which stage3 did you download
18:35 ben_vulpes >.<
18:35 ben_vulpes i686
18:35 mircea_popescu lolk
18:36 * ben_vulpes sighs
18:36 trinque ben_vulpes: make sure it all matches what you specified when you made the vm too
18:37 nubbins` heh
18:41 ben_vulpes http://gentoo.osuosl.org/releases/x86/autobuilds/ << what am i not understanding about why there is no "64" on that page at all
18:41 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1DzQ2Mo )
18:47 trinque ben_vulpes: http://gentoo.osuosl.org/releases/
18:47 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1DzQGcT )
18:47 trinque up from there
18:48 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27200 @ 0.00028394 = 7.7232 BTC [+] {2}
18:48 trinque on the page you're looking at, the various ?86 builds are referring to different compiler optimizations used, different libc, or security features being kicked on
18:48 trinque but all for the 32bit x86
18:49 trinque vs they consider amd64 to be a separate architecture entirely
18:49 ben_vulpes that's a spectacular derping on my part i suppose
18:49 ben_vulpes in the meantime, i think i found the x86_64 stuff
18:49 trinque meh, it depends on how you slice it; they chose that way
18:50 ben_vulpes https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9321313 << "i don't get a say in this new world order and that sucks!"
18:50 assbot Whether Bitcoin was designed as a scam, I'm not too interested. Whether Bitcoin... | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1DzQZ7v )
18:50 mircea_popescu awwww.
18:51 mircea_popescu "The difference is, the people whose behavior would be controlled have no say in changing those economic assumptions. "
18:51 mircea_popescu check it out, derps catching on to trilema cca 2012.
18:51 mircea_popescu "Why does that matter? Because people have a right to democratic institutions. People have a right to vote on or have a say in matters that govern their lives. Bitcoin, as it exists now, takes that away from people."
18:51 mircea_popescu no, they do not.
18:52 mircea_popescu they had A CHANCE and they fucked it up.
18:52 mircea_popescu that party ends here.
18:52 trinque the knucklehead's from Oregon, represents well the prevailing attitude
18:53 ben_vulpes trinque: how'd you figure that?
18:53 mircea_popescu somewhat related, http://36.media.tumblr.com/3dfaf384998a278f67e6bb5c52b52143/tumblr_nlknpppJDw1txazkmo1_1280.jpg
18:53 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1DzRlec )
18:53 trinque ben_vulpes: he mentions it in another comment
18:53 mircea_popescu trinque he can represent anything he wants lol.
18:55 mircea_popescu this idea that most people "should" get a say in what happens to them... dude, if you do that, the same most people go "hey, i don't want to be bothered reading 548958609 pages of tax code, to then go have a hanging party for the govt that made it".
18:55 mircea_popescu "but we only want a say in the things we want a say in and only for the part we want to say something" "yeah well that's not how this works"
18:56 mircea_popescu "what do you mean, i can't own a pet only for the portion where i wanna play with it, but not for the portion where i have to feed it and clean its cage ??!?!" "exactly"
18:57 mircea_popescu "so you mean to tell me now i don't get a say into how the world works anymore, because back when i got the benefit of the doubt all i could do was being an idiot on reddit ?" "exactly"
18:57 trinque the relevance of the tumbler pic gets clearer and clearer
18:57 mircea_popescu "BUT NOBODY TOLD ME THIS WILL HAPPEN!!!1" "mp did"
18:57 mircea_popescu "i never read it!!11"
18:57 mircea_popescu "so ?" "i never agreed to this!111"
18:58 mircea_popescu "how about you go be a transsexual/gender confused/derpopotamus about Bitcoin TOO, then"
19:02 Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $150 before July" http://bitbet.us/bet/1133/ Odds: 17(Y):83(N) by coin, 17(Y):83(N) by weight. Total bet: 13.61572615 BTC. Current weight: 91,983.
19:03 assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 633 @ 0.00285001 = 1.8041 BTC [-] {9}
19:07 mircea_popescu in other news... "push your tits in the air like you jus' dun care..." http://36.media.tumblr.com/6e68fceefb3b8978db736a6c94d17028/tumblr_na1pvuWFRh1tonrdjo3_1280.jpg
19:07 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1J7bQha )
19:08 pete_dushenski guy by the door... doesn't care.
19:21 mircea_popescu trinque essentially what it boils down to is the proposition that the underclass does not agree the elite should have the right to opt out whatever redistribution system they come up with.
19:22 mircea_popescu this is ridiculous on the face, of course, but hey. if they understood things they wouldn't be underclass.
19:33 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35000 @ 0.00028423 = 9.9481 BTC [+]
19:39 Adlai well the french revolution did happen... or was it organized by the new elite who got sick of wannabelite underclassmen-in-king's-clothing?
19:41 Adlai in other words: a sufficient number of underclassmen armed with pitchforks (or AK47s) can ruin an upperclassman's day
19:41 trinque mircea_popescu: this brings back to mind what you said last night about making a clear distinction between natural law and the purpose-driven "regulation" of human societies. I'm not in a position to well articulate this, so I'll just barf this: it seems the HN commenter in question is simply not in touch with reality, and there is nothing forcing him to be, neither nature nor someone in charge of
19:41 trinque him.
19:42 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31000 @ 0.0002784 = 8.6304 BTC [-] {2}
19:42 Adlai he's in touch with "his reality", by which i mean, the reality of the society in which he operates. that society might be out of touch with realreality, but that doesn't require the inside of the bubble to see what's without.
19:42 ben_vulpes Adlai: french revolution is indeed a good tale of the hidden power structure (french bureaucracy) toppling the figureheads.
19:43 ben_vulpes de toqueville wrote about it at length - 'the old regime and the revolution' was the title of the translation i read
19:43 Adlai the [fake plastic] tree of liberty must be from time to time refreshed with the blood of scapegoats
19:45 trinque going further, it stands to reason that neither most nor many men can produce a model of reality that works, in that it deals with risk well and identifies reward
19:45 ben_vulpes using only a single model is a risky move itself.
19:46 * Adlai worries less about production than recognition / recollection
19:46 trinque sure, but there's a model which says compare the output of various models
19:47 ben_vulpes "ah ah, mister! you can't get me that easily! it's models all the way out!"
19:47 trinque hahaha
19:47 nubbins` ha
19:47 trinque in the head of a human, it most certainly is
19:47 ben_vulpes models to model other people's models
19:47 ben_vulpes https://nplusonemag.com/online-only/online-only/there-is-only-awe/ << jaynes, relevant.
19:47 assbot There Is Only Awe | Online Only | n+1 ... ( http://bit.ly/1MR4oMP )
19:47 nubbins` so if there's a model that contains models of all the models
19:47 nubbins` and it contains a model of itself
19:48 ben_vulpes maxwell's demon?
19:49 ben_vulpes nah.
19:49 ben_vulpes nevertheless, minor errors in the models will compound.
19:49 ben_vulpes "you can't model the universe with anything short of a universe."
19:50 nubbins` i was going for russell's paradox but zzzz
19:50 trinque nubbins` | so if there's a model that contains models of all the models << nobody's head has a complete model of anything
19:51 trinque so yeah in the abstract infinite regress right?
19:52 nubbins` "complete model" doesn't really make sense
19:54 trinque what's the issue with saying some people have better strategies for interacting with reality than others?
19:54 trinque +nubbins` | "complete model" doesn't really make sense << thought I said that
19:54 Adlai "complete model" = copy of thing that's being modelled, optionally with the ability to diddle, reset, etc
19:55 nubbins` trinque i mean in the general sense :D
19:56 nubbins` where's the thing, uh
19:56 nubbins` http://www.legiontheory.com/realms.html
19:56 assbot Realms ... ( http://bit.ly/1MR5LuO )
19:57 nubbins` pogotron people interested in trimming boost down: http://www.boost.org/doc/libs/1_49_0/tools/bcp/doc/html/index.html
19:57 assbot BCP - 1.49.0 ... ( http://bit.ly/1MR5S9K )
19:57 trinque They interact with an internal model of the external world – the realm primus – and interpret this interaction as experience of the “real world”. << yeah, and for some people that realm involves jesus and satan, others republicans and democrats
19:57 * trinque continues to read
19:57 nubbins` trinque +1
19:57 nubbins` that's the middle chapter
19:58 nubbins` site's worth bookmarking, interesting *cough* model
19:58 trinque haha, yeah looks very interesting; thank you
19:58 * Adlai is a little suspicious of the presentation screaming "we are crackpots! real scientists hate us!"
19:58 nubbins` was shared here a while back
19:59 nubbins` Adlai +1!
19:59 ben_vulpes don't worry Adlai, nubbins` filters the true crackpots out
19:59 trinque I'm a crackpot so w/e
19:59 nubbins` but everybody who studies the nature of consciousness is a crackpot
19:59 nubbins` whether professionally or on their own time
19:59 nubbins` one-way ticket to the bughouse
20:00 Adlai that site overloads my undesirable crackpot filters with false positives before ocr has even returned a single line
20:00 trinque lol
20:00 nubbins` Adlai what does http://thebitcoin.foundation, http://mpex.co do to your crackpot filters
20:00 nubbins` http://berkshirehathaway.com even
20:00 assbot BERKSHIRE HATHAWAY INC. ... ( http://bit.ly/1MR6r3j )
20:01 Adlai all three of those say "geeks signaling non-geeks to stay away", rather than "timecube dissertation"
20:01 trinque I agree thebitcoin.foundation needs more timecube.
20:01 Adlai at the end of the day, nothing that (a little|complete removal of) css can't fix
20:02 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6600 @ 0.00027559 = 1.8189 BTC [-]
20:03 nubbins` heh
20:06 trinque so here's another badly formed question; what kind of experience empties the HN poster's mind of its bad model?
20:07 trinque a chi power "fighter" getting beaten to a pulp by an MMA fighter, that sort of situation comes to mind
20:15 ben_vulpes oh man
20:15 * ben_vulpes goes off to find videos
20:21 ben_vulpes gentoo quest prelude
20:21 ben_vulpes "...ben_vulpes finally kicked off a kernel compile.
20:21 ben_vulpes ~FIN DU PRELUDE~
20:21 ben_vulpes "
20:24 trinque https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wd7M4H0b62k << couple pops to the head and the guy's learned something whether he wanted to or not
20:24 assbot Incredible fight between a Kiai master and a MMA fighter - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1MRapsB )
20:24 trinque dunno about "incredible" there
20:24 trinque maybe incredible that he thought his spirit-energy dancing was a thing
20:25 trinque so maybe hierarchial leadership is the most humane arrangement, as well as the most sensible
20:25 trinque someone to bop you on the head that maybe still wants you around, vs letting reality do it, which doesn't care if you survive the lesson
20:25 ben_vulpes nubbins`: from bcp: "--unix-lines \n Make sure that all copied files use Unix style line endings." << hyuu
20:27 nubbins` o.O
20:37 mats i just beat Stockfish 6 (chess engine) and im in shock
20:37 mircea_popescu wd.
20:38 mircea_popescu Adlai there's no such thing as "the reality of a society"
20:38 BingoBoingo mats: Well done
20:38 mircea_popescu yes, he's in touch with the *fashions* of his society.
20:38 mircea_popescu this is about as stupid and sterile as it sounds.
20:40 BingoBoingo mats: How much power and time did you allow it?
20:44 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-04-2015#1089010 interesting.
20:44 assbot Logged on 05-04-2015 00:01:14; Adlai: all three of those say "geeks signaling non-geeks to stay away", rather than "timecube dissertation"
20:44 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-04-2015#1089015 << models are not optional and people can't generally be helped.
20:44 assbot Logged on 05-04-2015 00:06:12; trinque: so here's another badly formed question; what kind of experience empties the HN poster's mind of its bad model?
20:45 mircea_popescu if you actually love him you can try slavery, but this works exclusively on the thin set of people who understand deeply they suck
20:45 mircea_popescu which are mostly women anyway.
20:50 mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-04-2015#1089023 << lmao wtf is this bs.
20:50 assbot Logged on 05-04-2015 00:24:06; trinque: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wd7M4H0b62k << couple pops to the head and the guy's learned something whether he wanted to or not
20:51 mircea_popescu but speaking of this, i recall the lulzfest of the "consensus" in the 50s to 90s about how you know, striking is the way to go.
20:52 mircea_popescu then chokes showed up and for a good decade people were all "no dude, there is a shaolin monk somewhere that can hit your spirit!!11"
20:52 trinque lol
20:52 trinque the best part of that vid is watching the students dance around as if hit
20:52 mircea_popescu nuts.
20:52 mircea_popescu practically speaking, vc.
20:52 mats BingoBoingo: ~12000 kn/s, 30s time control
20:54 BingoBoingo mats: cool
21:00 mats pretty sure i had cosmic aid. this is my first win in over a hundred attempts
21:01 ben_vulpes eh, statistics at that number.
21:09 BingoBoingo I'd really like to see stockfish running on its maximally supported hardware
21:17 BingoBoingo 128 cores, 1 TB of ram for the transposition table...
21:23 mats my sibling recommended i seek counseling because of my "obsession with beating chess computers and the end of the world"
21:25 decimation mircea_popescu: re: libnss < I think it has its roots in solaris
21:26 decimation it kinda makes sense in its own retarded way - say you want to use sun's 'nis' rather than dns for name resolution
21:26 decimation or some combination of the above
21:26 decimation but I can try to do some digging
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21:59 decimation re: democracy < http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2015/02/michael_munger_1.html < Mike Munger has an alternate approach to conclusion that democracy is fucked
21:59 assbot " + soundfiledesc + " ... ( http://bit.ly/1awqu61 )
22:00 decimation "o place is. No place that survives is majoritarian. That's what is striking, is, all countries that survive have what are in effect ways of controlling this problem. And so the insight that comes from this is, you can explain what look like odd institutions because--no one may have understood it. This is a very Hayekian point--no one may have understood that they are getting stability from this. They are getting a determinate choice.
22:00 decimation Now, it may be arbitrary. But they are getting what looks like a determinate choice because the alternative is chaos."
22:05 mircea_popescu decimation so if i want to use nis i compile it.
22:06 mircea_popescu mats seems reasonable.
22:06 mircea_popescu i dunno who sane still plays chess. might as well "play" hanoi towers, it's closer to compulsion than anything.
22:08 mats well. #b-a gets to share credit for the latter.
22:10 mats (the end of the world)
22:10 mircea_popescu world ain't ending tho.
22:10 Adlai iirc it was norvig who called sudoku "a ddos attack on the human intellect", although it may be more like a pack of hyenas preying on the stragglers
22:10 Adlai whereas chess... now that is a ddos attack on all levels of human intellect
22:10 mircea_popescu which one is sudoku ? theone that is taking over the idiots that used to do crossword puzzles ?
22:11 Adlai it's latin squares translated to toki pona
22:11 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00027628 = 1.2709 BTC [+]
22:11 mircea_popescu heh. speaking of norvig : http://www.norvig.com/Gettysburg/sld001.htm
22:11 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1C35qK9 )
22:15 mircea_popescu http://feminist-fucktoy.tumblr.com/post/115209428580/oh-my-god-im-so-sorry-i-indeed-am-on-my-mobile
22:15 assbot Yes, feminists can be fucktoys too! ... ( http://bit.ly/1awsVpp )
22:15 mircea_popescu heh
22:18 BingoBoingo Eh, chess is an entertainment like any other now that the machines won
22:26 mircea_popescu well sure.
22:26 mircea_popescu then you don't really care if you win
22:27 BingoBoingo Right.
22:28 BingoBoingo It's freeing. Allows for experimenting with more interesting styles of play.
~ 26 minutes ~
22:54 decimation it is apparently possible to create a static glibc
22:55 decimation I'm not sure if it completely solves the nss issue though
22:56 mircea_popescu easy enough to try no ? recipe published.
22:57 nubbins` so i used BCP to strip out all of the boost shit that's not needed for bitcoind
22:57 nubbins` got up to this point: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=E8S0bNRy
22:57 assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1MRzDaw )
22:58 nubbins` this is cross-compiling for pogo
23:01 mircea_popescu seems libcrypto's broken ?
23:03 mircea_popescu do you have libcrypto.so ?
23:07 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30003 @ 0.00027049 = 8.1155 BTC [-] {2}
23:13 nubbins` .so would be the shared lib, .a is static -- looks like libcrypto.a is complaining
23:13 nubbins` /home/nubs/dev/bitcoin-v0_5_3_1/ourlibs/lib/libcrypto.a(dso_dlfcn.o): undefined reference to symbol 'dlerror'
23:13 nubbins` anyway this is farther than before. actually cleared out an enormous amount of boost libs
23:15 nubbins` if you get bcp compiled, you can just do the following to spit out a custom subset of boost, tailored for your project:
23:16 nubbins` ./bcp --scan --boost=~/dev/bitcoin-v0_5_3_1/boost_1_52_0 ~/dev/bitcoin-v0_5_3_1/bitcoin/src/*.cpp ~/dev/myboost/
23:17 nubbins` no sense compiling e.g. a ton of boost python libs
23:18 nubbins` bcp is included in the boost download, cd $BOOST_ROOT; ./bootstrap.sh; ./bjam tools/bcp
23:19 nubbins` executable is in dist/bin
23:20 mircea_popescu right.
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23:37 nubbins` groan/facepalm
23:38 nubbins` undefined reference to symbol 'dlerror' <<< dlerror returns last DYNAMIC LINKING ERROR
23:43 mircea_popescu heh
23:53 BingoBoingo !up ascii_modem
23:54 ascii_modem anyone read the mem stats?
23:54 ascii_modem surreal moment.
23:56 ascii_modem ben_vulpes: congrats re: gentoo
23:57 assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11820 @ 0.00027 = 3.1914 BTC [-]
23:57 ascii_modem be aware that, like the rest of opensourcedom, it is in a fairly advanced state of ... declapse (tm)
23:58 ascii_modem (decay that inevitably leads to collapse)
23:58 nubbins` sounds better than collay
23:58 ascii_modem colline.
23:59 nubbins` incrementally closer to portatronic pogotron. it's now complaining about libcrypto referencing a libdl component
23:59 ascii_modem libdl?!!!!!
23:59 nubbins` yeah.
23:59 nubbins` which leads me to believe the openssl compile might need to be looked at.
23:59 ascii_modem you know what libdl is
23:59 nubbins` yep.
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