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02:18 scoopbot New article on A Syndication of Verisimilitudes: An Ada UDP POSIX Sockets Binding
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03:40 gregorynyssa shinohai: if he is not on Pest yet, he will be soon.
03:43 gregorynyssa http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-07-29#1112633 << leaky abstraction. IRC only allows /me at start of line, does not recognize concept of replies/citations.
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03:43 dulapbot Logged on 2022-07-29 10:01:59 shinohai: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-07-29#1112624 << /me was unaware vex had ever stood up a pest station.
03:55 gregorynyssa one of the worst leaky abstractions in history is, of course, WWW's lack of built-in support for back-links.
03:56 gregorynyssa does "asciilifeform" have any ideas for how WWW might have been fixed?
03:57 gregorynyssa should every page be required to declare all outgoing links in a header-section?
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03:58 gregorynyssa do you disagree with plaintext-nature of HTML? should there have been a compilation-step
03:58 gregorynyssa between the raw HTML page and the published page?
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11:10 asciilifeform gregorynyssa: see also.
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11:11 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-07-30#1112643 << what would that give ?
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11:11 dulapbot Logged on 2022-07-30 03:56:51 gregorynyssa: should every page be required to declare all outgoing links in a header-section?
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17:40 gregorynyssa http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-07-30#1112647 << it would allow links between pages to be known without parsing/executing the body of the document.
17:40 dulapbot Logged on 2022-07-30 11:11:25 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-07-30#1112643 << what would that give ?
17:41 gregorynyssa http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-07-30#1112646 << this is Alan Kay's hypothetical approach but there are disadvantages.
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17:41 dulapbot Logged on 2022-07-30 11:10:21 asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: see also.
17:42 gregorynyssa also, I don't think that provides built-in support for back-links.
17:44 gregorynyssa http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-07-30#1112651 << replace the word "this" with "the application-delivery model of the web"
17:44 dulapbot Logged on 2022-07-30 17:41:18 gregorynyssa: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-07-30#1112646 << this is Alan Kay's hypothetical approach but there are disadvantages.
17:45 gregorynyssa the disadvantage of this approach is that webpages cease to be documents.
17:45 gregorynyssa the WWW is built upon an application/document duality.
17:46 gregorynyssa also, tracing references between objects is a separate taxonomy from URLs.
17:47 gregorynyssa unless you want to impose a strict transformation rule between them, such that www.news.com/read/article/23 must first fetch the "read" object then the "article object"
17:47 gregorynyssa in one of Dr Kay's talks, he actually implied this.
17:47 gregorynyssa ie. he wants every segment of every URL to be the name of an object.
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19:04 jonsykkel gregorynyssa: i see your messages
19:05 gregorynyssa jonsykkel: great. I guess that I need to run my own Blatta to diagnose the problem.
19:09 jonsykkel not familiar with the code but might wana look at its behiavor on recving selfchain=0
19:17 jonsykkel only unusual thing i can see with ur messages anyway
19:19 gregorynyssa jonsykkel: yep. I am aware that the self-chain field is currently zero.
19:20 gregorynyssa even if they reject invalid messages with invalid self-chain fields, the first message of the sequence should have gone through.
19:20 gregorynyssa edit: even if they reject messages with invalid self-chain fields, the first message of the sequence should have gone through.
19:21 jonsykkel indeed
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