00:00 |
asciilifeform |
today not only programmers but even monopolists mostly crib from ancient playbook rather than inventing anyffin. |
00:00 |
dulapbot |
(trilema) 2014-03-25 asciilifeform: - How come they use the word "sommelier"? - he asked yet another stupid question, - So many different professions, but only one word... |
00:00 |
verisimilitude |
Now I recall plenty of pizza places use an oven design with a conveyor belt, allowing as many pizzas as will fit to pass through one-after-the-other, and this is about as good as it gets. |
00:01 |
asciilifeform |
verisimilitude: is how not only industrial bakeries, but e.g. pcb manufacturers work |
00:01 |
verisimilitude |
Mass printing also uses such. |
00:01 |
asciilifeform |
and for that matter any industrial process with seriously heavy capital gear, tries to keep 100% (or as duty cycle allows) booked |
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00:02 |
verisimilitude |
It's only for how fast they are, that we don't see computers as slow as the truly are. |
00:02 |
asciilifeform |
oblig |
00:02 |
verisimilitude |
It's only for how fast they are, that we don't see computers to be as slow as they truly are. |
00:02 |
verisimilitude |
That's the pen article, right? |
00:03 |
asciilifeform |
aha |
00:03 |
verisimilitude |
I like to liken computers to transportation. |
00:03 |
verisimilitude |
Imagine if we only had four-seat cars, and no planes or trains. |
00:04 |
verisimilitude |
APL is a train. |
00:04 |
asciilifeform |
four seat cars w/ four brake and gas pedals, lol |
00:04 |
verisimilitude |
Oh my, yes. |
00:06 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-19#1097530 << see e.g. |
00:06 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-04-19 19:09:55 verisimilitude: The issue is copyright. |
00:18 |
asciilifeform |
meanwhile in nifty pages on the folklore thing. |
00:18 |
asciilifeform |
'The basic Mac architecture was very spare, („TIGHT!” as the teenagers now say): about 32 ICs not counting the 68000 and the 16 RAM chips. There was the Timing State Machine (TSM), made out of a PAL and some flipflops; the Linear Address Generator (LAG) made out of a PAL and a couple of counters; the Bus Mgmt Unit (BMU) PAL, 4 multiplexors for the RAM addressing, 2 EPROMs, some bus drivers, a video output shift reg |
00:18 |
asciilifeform |
ister, and the 6522 Peripheral Interface Adapter (PIA) which had 16 programmable I/O lines, which handled the keyboard and mouse interfaces and some other tasks. That was the core architecture, to which was added the dual serial ports, the internal and external floppy drive ports, the real-time clock chip, and the sound output. The PALs were the Programmable Array Logic parts made by MMI, which allowed one to write out |
00:18 |
asciilifeform |
put logic equations to define each of the 8 outputs. They were fairly power-hungry (by today’s standards at least) but were cheap and flexible and Burrell put them to good use.' |
00:19 |
asciilifeform |
'The underside of the wire-wrap protos was of course a maze of wires. One morning we were amazed to find that one of the protos was badly scorched... it turned out that late the night before, Burrell had been making some changes and managed to get power and ground shorted together somehow, and in his impatience to get the proto back up, he decided to use ‘brute force’ by removing all the chips and connecting 120VAC |
00:19 |
asciilifeform |
across the power and ground in an attempt to ‘burn out’ the short.... a misguided attempt, as one would expect! I don’t that proto was ever revived.' |
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00:42 |
verisimilitude |
Here's my favourite. |
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01:25 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-19#1097517 << imho just as possible nao to create, and in same vein, as prev. yes, will have fewer hands, |
01:25 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-04-19 18:34:12 signpost: only interesting thing to say about tmsr is what better men would've created, or even better, shall. |
01:26 |
asciilifeform |
... but again imho much of what the 'moar hands' were doing, was in certifiably dead ends (e.g. the 'isp in third world' misadventure) |
01:26 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-03-31 23:49:04 asciilifeform: crtdaydreams: link was moar re 'there aint such a thing as an off-grid isp' |
01:26 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-04-07 23:05:25 asciilifeform: ... and costs 10x less than piz cage ( let's say 5x, moar exactly, given that there's ~half of errything ) |
01:28 |
asciilifeform |
( or asciilifeform's misadventure, or or. ) |
01:28 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-11-15 00:08:52 asciilifeform: bonechewer: for background info, the cost of fabricating the 1st 100 FGs was ~5k usd. and that's not counting asciilifeform's time , or 1st microbatch of prototypes with defective solder joins , asciilifeform's microscopy time and fight w/ the board people, etc etc |
01:32 |
asciilifeform |
( see also re subj ) |
01:32 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2020-08-26 15:40:40 asciilifeform: PeterL: virtually all of'em went to l1 folx |
01:33 |
signpost |
possible in all times and places to assemble and be greater men. |
01:33 |
asciilifeform |
surely |
01:34 |
signpost |
in tales of lesser men, https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/full-embargo-russian-oil-would-send-brent-185bbl-jpmorgan |
01:35 |
signpost |
"EU is set to declare a full embargo on Russian oil after this weekend's French election" |
01:36 |
asciilifeform |
( re 'assemble', see also... ) |
01:36 |
asciilifeform |
signpost: but not gas, lol |
01:36 |
asciilifeform |
'god grant me escape from sin, but not just yet!'(augustine) |
01:36 |
signpost |
ssshhh, very serious embargo |
01:36 |
asciilifeform |
lel |
01:39 |
asciilifeform |
'will buy tram ticket! and then walk! to spite the conductor!'(tm)(r)(ru) |
01:42 |
asciilifeform |
signpost: the interesting corollary is that also possible to assemble and 'be lesser men' (reddit et al.) |
01:42 |
asciilifeform |
( or other failure modes, like when folx walk off cliffs under command of lunatic ) |
01:43 |
signpost |
absolutely possible; the manner of interacting determines everything. |
01:44 |
asciilifeform |
whether high pass filter for 'bell curve' is installed, also plays in. |
01:44 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-04-19 13:58:24 asciilifeform: at one time there was an accidental iq filter in place. |
01:45 |
asciilifeform |
or, say, whether can avoid the 'prestige pilfering' which nailed opensores. |
01:45 |
asciilifeform |
( re which 'dun have anyffin for rats to eat, and you'll have no rats' proverb applies ) |
01:48 |
* |
asciilifeform recalls endless parade of visitors in #ba, #t, begging for coin, or more often for 'nod of approval' by fuhrer |
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02:16 |
shinohai |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-19#1097500 << In honor of the 30th anniversary of Waco siege, I propose calling ourselves "Branch Derpidians". |
02:16 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-04-19 18:25:34 signpost: sounds like an echo of "no republic without mp" but I'm not going to keep trying to infer. |
02:29 |
asciilifeform |
lol |
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05:02 |
verisimilitude |
I agree with shinohai. |
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05:53 |
adlai |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-19#1097409 << did you skip 'instead of' clause? it's important; some sort of daily / hourly / statistic of the liquishit level is imho critical, to prevent frog boiling |
05:53 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-04-19 16:55:03 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-19#1097253 << 'ignore' ? cuz nobody wants GBs of liquishit pumped to his console, lolwtf |
05:57 |
adlai |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-19#1097440 << iirc, standard tournament Chess rules do allow this, although the third repetition causes the match to end in a draw, with players' ratings adjusted partially towards their midpoint; the game requiring novel situations in each move is Go, with the superko rule variation. |
05:57 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-04-19 17:08:30 asciilifeform: ill-formed v inputs come in 3 equiv. classes -- ill-syntaxed (i.e. can't parse, or one of a pair of patch, or its sig -- missing) ; ill-connected ( topological 'islands' on graph ) ; cyclical ( i.e. commits what is prohibited in chess, a return to previous state of game board ) . |
05:58 |
adlai |
iirc the 'superko' rule is only necessary for situations where there are multiple simultaneous ko fights, and then localized application of the ko rule can lead the game into a loop |
06:09 |
adlai |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-19#1097550 << I had a brain MRI requested, and thanks to the doctors not managing to make any easy diagnosis before this, insurance covered, so it was in the local public hospital; it has iirc four machines, with a queue of about a dozen sad folks, and a small army of technicians and nurses preparing ports for injecting contrast agents, |
06:09 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-04-19 20:00:21 asciilifeform: and for that matter any industrial process with seriously heavy capital gear, tries to keep 100% (or as duty cycle allows) booked |
06:09 |
adlai |
briefing folks about procedure, etc |
06:10 |
adlai |
the machines themselves run 24/7, and when he entered the room for injecting the contrast agent, the technician wasalmost sprinting to save time |
06:11 |
* |
adlai half-hoped for interesting results... few weeks later, gets nice letter, "MRI found normal brain, nothing notable." |
06:21 |
signpost |
for what were you looking for a cause? |
06:23 |
* |
signpost had one of those after an ugly bar fight a few years ago. neither party looked good after. |
06:23 |
signpost |
brain was totally fine, but I checked because the thing started with a sucker-punch, and me hitting concrete. |
06:24 |
signpost |
apparently I got up in a rage. had a standing concussion, so the next thing I can recall is bellowing at police for not arresting the other guy. |
06:26 |
signpost |
weirdest thing was I didn't know the other guy, hadn't talked to him. either mistaken identity or just crazy. |
06:26 |
adlai |
one of the doctors suspected that I had copper retention, which apparently causes changes to brain morphology visible in MRI, and eventually psychosis. |
06:27 |
adlai |
I doubted I had that, after reading that it was incredibly uncommon, and was simply hoping that there would be any interesting result other than, "what did you expect, standard brainful of qualia" |
06:27 |
signpost |
do they do the political psychiatry thing there? sounds like it. |
06:28 |
signpost |
not that they don't here, but it's comparatively lazy. more like "say the magic word and we'll give you whatever drugs you want, so long as they're expensive" |
06:30 |
adlai |
varies by doctor. I was focused on getting fewer medications, not more, and they quite quickly respected that request and tapered me off benzos and did not force me to take antipsychotics after I'd been released, although they did prescribe them in case I choose to continue. |
06:32 |
signpost |
hm. glad you're getting off the shit. good luck. |
06:33 |
* |
signpost to bed. |
06:33 |
adlai |
goodnight |
06:33 |
adlai |
rereading exact wording of Pest 3.3.1.6.8, I suppose my suggestion does not violate this, since I'm not suggesting that any specific message trigger printing to the console. |
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12:59 |
shinohai |
verisimilitude I figured out where the inspiration for the pregnant man emoji came from: http://btc.info.gf/uploads/gatesemoji.jpg |
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15:43 |
mats |
https://neilmadden.blog/2022/04/19/psychic-signatures-in-java |
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17:14 |
phf |
went around looking for lte feature phones, confused sales associates would direct me to cheap androids. i guess not even aging hill folk are buying feature phones anymore |
17:14 |
phf |
signpost: how you liking mudilo so far? |
17:29 |
signpost |
was fine except for SMS not working, need to fuck with APN settings but haven't had the chance yet. |
17:30 |
phf |
hmm |
17:30 |
signpost |
wouldn't say I can recommend it yet, need to use it for a few weeks consistently. |
17:30 |
phf |
how's the call quality so far? |
17:31 |
signpost |
call quality was good, tested that. not as good as an iPhone, but passable. |
17:31 |
signpost |
wife said same for how I sounded on the other end on her iPhone. |
17:32 |
signpost |
also found that you can't actually build your own copy of their OS because there's some licensing shit with the eink display binwad. |
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17:32 |
signpost |
that might cause me to sell it and throw play money at some other brick. |
17:33 |
signpost |
you can only build for their simulator and then "pretty please" have them accept your pull request on github. |
17:35 |
signpost |
oh and (!) the switch on the side turned out to be software only. |
17:35 |
phf |
f&g |
17:37 |
signpost |
yeah, I ordered this quite a while ago, and it's not everything it appeared. |
17:38 |
phf |
i have a 5s that no longer works for calling because of lte transition. i have no idea what to replace it with |
17:39 |
verisimilitude |
My *Buffer List* is just a long list of things I've been intending to do for months. |
17:39 |
signpost |
"pinephone" is way too neckbeardy for me, and pine64's laptop was a piece of shit. |
17:40 |
verisimilitude |
The Pinebook Pro isn't great, no. |
17:40 |
* |
signpost is not aware of good options. hardware business is hell. |
17:41 |
verisimilitude |
That's how my review of it will end, basically. |
17:41 |
verisimilitude |
``Go ahead and buy it. More money won't buy a decent laptop.'' |
17:41 |
phf |
i'm thinking of getting one of those oversized rugged phones, that comes with a cb radio and a multitool |
17:42 |
signpost |
seems useful for stomping around in the woods. |
17:42 |
asciilifeform |
phf: 'caterpillar' ? |
17:42 |
* |
asciilifeform saw'em for sale in montevideo, looked impressive -- at least iron-wise |
17:42 |
phf |
asciilifeform: i think other brands make em besides cat, but yeah along those lines |
17:43 |
phf |
i don't know how they are as phones, but when i jump out of my lifted ford pickup, i want to be able to talk into one of those on speakerphone |
17:44 |
signpost |
s'how they know y'mean bidness. |
17:44 |
phf |
i like maphone how i like mawomen: milspec |
17:44 |
* |
asciilifeform pictures 'brick' a la 'iridium' |
17:45 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-20#1097635 << damn, disappointing. |
17:45 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-04-20 13:30:54 signpost: also found that you can't actually build your own copy of their OS because there's some licensing shit with the eink display binwad. |
17:46 |
verisimilitude |
I like my phone how I like my women: I don't own a phone. |
17:46 |
asciilifeform |
they've a shithub fulla ???, but apparently intel-style one. |
17:46 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-04-07 20:07:56 asciilifeform: a very common flavour of scamsauce, reminiscent of e.g. intel's 'open source bios' (which built only on mswin and w/ 400MB of blobs) |
17:46 |
signpost |
hahaha |
17:46 |
asciilifeform |
verisimilitude wins 'brag riches' award... |
17:47 |
signpost |
asciilifeform: yeah, I haven't gone too deep into it, but immune system says "this looks like a great way to waste weeks for zilch" |
17:47 |
asciilifeform |
a la 'pinebook' yea |
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17:48 |
phf |
i'm still happily using those rk chromebooks. have like 4 of them, boot them into console, wrote a handful of framebuffer tools (jpg/png/pdf) |
17:48 |
asciilifeform |
phf: a, so no x11 ? |
17:48 |
phf |
no |
17:49 |
* |
asciilifeform still has that one, tho fucked the internal mouse cable during one of over9000 disassemblies |
17:49 |
phf |
i change the console colors and fonts so that it doesn't look too "hacker", and it gives me ~~9 hours of emacs, sbcl |
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17:49 |
asciilifeform |
notbad |
17:49 |
asciilifeform |
phf: what didja end up running on that thing ? |
17:50 |
phf |
your rk gentoo dump, as is |
17:50 |
asciilifeform |
aa neato |
17:50 |
phf |
i just patch portage when i need to build something new, that for some reason there's no old source for |
17:51 |
asciilifeform |
phf: lemme know if you want $tar added to the fossilvault. |
17:51 |
asciilifeform |
occasionally folx still find missing bits. |
17:51 |
phf |
there's also no diffs, i log in as root, and there's no logger or really any daemons. i clone it as a big blob. oldschool #slackware gang. |
17:52 |
asciilifeform |
the rk ball is hand-sewn and deliberately bare-bones |
17:54 |
phf |
i think i ran into some binary blob issues: i had to rebuild some packages early on, because smh rks that you use in hosting are not the same as the rk in chromebook? |
17:54 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-20#1097626 << grade-a lulz. 'That’s right. Java’s implementation of ECDSA signature verification didn’t check if r or s were zero, so you could produce a signature value in which they are both 0 (appropriately encoded) and Java would accept it as a valid signature for any message and for any public key.' |
17:54 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-04-20 11:42:29 mats: https://neilmadden.blog/2022/04/19/psychic-signatures-in-java |
17:55 |
asciilifeform |
phf: aha, the little rk is a 3328; iirc the cb is a 3399 |
17:55 |
phf |
aah, well that explains it |
17:55 |
asciilifeform |
theoretically same instr set but fuckknows |
17:55 |
phf |
it's clean enough to boot, or at least clean enough to build and rebuild |
17:55 |
phf |
*to boot and rebuild |
17:58 |
verisimilitude |
Don't implement your own crypto, asciilifeform! |
18:01 |
phf |
hmm, now that they replaced james bond with a woman how will i know which phone to buy?? |
18:02 |
asciilifeform |
lol thought his 'phone' was a parabellum |
18:03 |
phf |
asciilifeform: your not aware of the exciting world of "everything you see in a movie somebody has paid for to be there" |
18:03 |
phf |
e.g. https://www.jamesbondlifestyle.com/product/nokia-phone-james-bond-no-time-die |
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18:03 |
asciilifeform |
distantly aware |
18:08 |
verisimilitude |
Apparently, in an AppleTV show, the only Android user was a pedophile. |
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18:33 |
asciilifeform |
meanwhile in eccism olds. |
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21:12 |
verisimilitude |
Rather than optimize sorting, it's better to eliminate the need of it. |
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21:29 |
verisimilitude |
I'm reading this. |
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21:29 |
verisimilitude |
static uint_fast64_t __seed() { |
21:29 |
verisimilitude |
// static variable address may be randomized if built with ASLR. |
21:29 |
verisimilitude |
static char __x; |
21:29 |
verisimilitude |
return reinterpret_cast<uintptr_t>(&__x); |
21:29 |
verisimilitude |
} |
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22:17 |
shinohai |
"The Treasury department announced sanctions against companies and individuals who enable fiat payments or infrastructure for bitcoin mining in Russia." <<< kekkity kek |
22:31 |
shinohai |
Forgot sauce, was mobile https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/jy0731 |
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22:49 |
phf |
woof |