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01:54 vex http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-09#1094711 <lol, if that's your cup of tea, go jump on a trawler, you'll come back with fat pockets
01:54 dulapbot Logged on 2022-04-09 17:59:10 crtdaydreams: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-07#1093934 << fishing trip to torres wen?
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02:13 vex get your seatime for MED while you make bank
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02:45 vex thimbronion, are those es pilsners bueno?
02:51 vex anyone got a ping on awt?
02:59 vex must be buena cono mojado down that way, radio silence abounds
03:03 vex did bingo renew?
03:07 vex i'm sure he's fine but I worry about the guy. mp was like his big brother
03:17 thimbronion vex: never had any beer down there
03:17 vex pong
03:18 vex you've already parted?
03:19 vex I was wondering if I could slap a bitdime on the bar any party until it was expended
03:20 vex is it a bit wild?
03:20 thimbronion vex: yep back in the us
03:21 vex perhaps wouldn't wanna flash 0.1
03:21 thimbronion very few places accepted btc
03:21 vex ah
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03:38 vex phf, i'm just drunk enough to ask what your medical condition was. what made mp think he had the best ambulance?
03:43 * vex is also sober enough to regret the action immediately, but the question stands
03:46 vex I don't like to ask, it might be testicular
04:00 vex yfw I marry mats in the next season of bridgerton.
04:04 vex I gots to know
04:10 vex tell me the story i'll give you the next foal from my stockhorse arab
04:15 vex not a reall guarantee
04:17 vex she's too tall; you might crack your head
04:19 vex 37s & 18s
04:20 vex trucks to hrses
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04:40 vex we might get asciilifeform on a horse yet
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07:02 vex see pete dushenski at balenciaga show. mebbe you wanna see ferrari win @ monarco
07:09 vex shits getting cooler
07:09 mats stfu
07:10 vex tru dat
07:15 vex https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pe4dSJ3ifZc
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08:00 mats http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-09#1094566 << reminds me of the weather underground
08:00 dulapbot Logged on 2022-04-09 13:33:48 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-09#1094556 << the 'movements', near as can tell, sum to 'brownian' motion. observe e.g. 'occupy'(tm) wankage flicked off like a lamp when the organizers achieved their actual aim, of being given minor academi-mandarinates
08:03 mats so many white radicals from that era came out unscathed, unlike their black counterparts, and became celebrities and professors like bernadine dohrn and bill ayers
08:06 mats what frightened the right was fundamentally the same thing that the left found a fetish
08:09 mats funny how history rhymes sometimes
08:12 mats ayers helped launch obama's career with a fundraiser many years later
08:14 mats meanwhile, a photograph of obama and farrakhan was suppressed for more than a decade, made the papers a few years ago https://web.archive.org/web/20220312102003/https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/09/us/louis-farrakhan-facts-history.html
08:21 mangol it's reasonable to suspect that any substantial movement in the US is astroturfed. or if not, infiltrated at some point (probably quite early)
08:26 mangol any radical movement attracts chumps they can use as press fodder (print FUD about "zomg extremists")
08:27 mangol a problem for reich is that the chumps tend not to be violent enough, so harder to print FUD
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08:45 mangol justice for j6 "rally" is an obvious example from last year
08:54 mangol today, BLM is a similar money+fame racket as you describe
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09:13 mangol basically usg has been doing stuff like this for the last century; no grassroots movement will put a dent in it
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09:30 mangol (obligatory babylon bee; and another)
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12:16 * cgra still tuned in and breathing, while not sure what was meant here. possibly a confusion of someone/somewhere?
12:16 dulapbot Logged on 2022-04-09 14:02:19 asciilifeform: ^ possibly we're down to 1 finn
12:16 dulapbot Logged on 2022-04-09 15:30:10 mangol: http://logs.bitdash.io/asciilifeform/2022-04-09#1094635 << yes
12:16 cgra anyway, hojo hojo mangol
12:16 cgra been lately trying to revive a youth grappling hobby, for physical exercise (to balance office-like activity), and personal enjoyment
12:17 cgra asciilifeform: also been in the process of grasping what it means for trb being completely at the mercy of the middle-man as it currently is. only apparent cure being the wot integration. currently thinking that banning some peers, keeping a list of anothers, is therefore not an extremely important aspect, if a middle-man could fuck you up anytime anyway: like distort all messages from your peers so that they end up all being banned.
12:17 cgra and perhaps this means that you could just have a relatively small list of recorded peer addresses and/or banned addresses, and not lose much, compared to current mechanisms
12:18 cgra while instead, gain a predictable bound or two
12:23 cgra jonsykkel: fwiw, i was impressed by your welcome =)
12:23 dulapbot Logged on 2022-03-17 12:38:45 jonsykkel: tervetuloa mangol, tää on pastirol päivä
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13:16 cgra http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-09#1094664 << may also find interesting (like i do) a band performing using heavy eastern finnish dialect (savo) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocHbfpzjDE4 :D
13:16 dulapbot Logged on 2022-04-09 14:33:20 phf: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-09#1094637 << https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWzaUkMvfZE
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13:36 asciilifeform wb cgra !
13:40 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-11#1094976 << asciilifeform experimented with 'wot integration' for trb but abandoned, largely for the elementary reason that new blox inescapably come from 'wild'
13:40 dulapbot Logged on 2022-04-11 08:15:59 cgra: asciilifeform: also been in the process of grasping what it means for trb being completely at the mercy of the middle-man as it currently is. only apparent cure being the wot integration. currently thinking that banning some peers, keeping a list of anothers, is therefore not an extremely important aspect, if a middle-man could fuck you up anytime anyway: like distort all messages from your peers so that they end u
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14:22 cgra http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-11#1094984 << was thinking of trb with a pest interface in addition to the traditional one. so if you're plugged shut on the traditional front, can still communicate with your friends, assuming have enough friends not all of them being similarly plugged shut at the same time
14:22 dulapbot Logged on 2022-04-11 09:39:08 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-11#1094976 << asciilifeform experimented with 'wot integration' for trb but abandoned, largely for the elementary reason that new blox inescapably come from 'wild'
14:24 asciilifeform cgra: would depend on what means 'plugged shut' neh. atm w/ wedge bugs, the world-facing noad (and sumbody has to have'em, or no blox) can be wedged
14:26 cgra asciilifeform: by 'plugged shut' i mean, even if all the known trb oom disease was cured, there's still a middle-man who can fake incoming messages to whatever he feels like, such as invalid, ban-inducing blocks, and cause trb to ban each and every traditional peer
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15:00 phf http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-10#1094941 << i had a sepsis. as far as mp and best ambulance, de mortuis nil nisi bonum dicendum est
15:00 dulapbot Logged on 2022-04-10 23:37:52 vex: phf, i'm just drunk enough to ask what your medical condition was. what made mp think he had the best ambulance?
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15:23 mangol cgra: morjens! 2 finns, what are the odds? lotto vetamaan. (apparently i can't type umlauts in my shell)
15:23 asciilifeform phf: i recall, skiing wound
15:24 mangol obligatory metal bands per 100k people
15:24 asciilifeform cgra: right, there's no concept of 'authentic peer' or peer identity at all in traditional trb
15:25 asciilifeform cgra: however, if yer in a hole where all yer connections are mitm'd, the objective imho is to get outta the hole . i.e. 'plug the funnel at correct end'
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15:44 mangol one ex usg insider's opinion of the main thrust behind the ukr offensive (pun intended):
15:45 asciilifeform mangol: [link][text] plz
15:45 mangol one ex usg insider's opinion of the main thrust behind the ukr offensive (pun intended):
15:46 asciilifeform ty
15:46 mangol "the whole Ukraine issue is over hypersonic missiles that can reach Moscow in less than four minutes. The US wants them there, in Poland, Romania, Baltic States, Sweden, Finland. This is in direct violation of the agreements in 1991 that NATO will not expand in Eastern Europe. The US does not have hypersonic missiles now but should – in a year or two. This is an existential threat to Russia. So
15:46 mangol they had to go into the Ukraine to stop this. Next will be Poland and Romania where launchers have been built in Romania and are being built in Poland."
15:52 mangol US successfully tests scramjet-powered hypersonic missile in secret, in march
15:53 asciilifeform mangol: see also.
15:53 dulapbot Logged on 2022-02-28 14:43:20 asciilifeform: verisimilitude: moar interesting is the 'big pic' -- the current war in fact started from 4th crusade, and continues episodically in form of various 'drang nach osten' by impoverished western eureichs, who will not give up dream of 'lebensraum' and delish phree minerals from 'unfairly squatted by orcs' 1/6th of planet3
15:53 asciilifeform issue aint re latest new rocket in particular.
15:56 asciilifeform ( and see also. )
15:58 mangol the quote was about ru's motivation to go into ukr, not usg's
15:59 mangol for usg, eastward expansion has probably been a goal since forever, but lacked the means
16:00 asciilifeform mangol: in re the bigger picture. and not simply 'east expansion', but that reich rather obv. cannot survive 1) without continuing to get ru fuels & other minerals for ~phree 2) the continued existence of an alt-civilization
16:00 dulapbot Logged on 2022-03-07 16:29:30 asciilifeform: lizards are terrified that there'll be 'where to defect to'. even in longest possible term pov.
16:03 mangol also acute right now, usg is economically ruined
16:03 asciilifeform ( see also )
16:03 dulapbot Logged on 2022-02-28 14:45:04 asciilifeform: at one pt, reich installed mole (gorby) and 'won', and feasted on the delish minerals + sawed-up su industrial base & manpower for all of '90s
16:03 dulapbot Logged on 2022-03-07 13:43:08 asciilifeform: ru demographic loss in '90s exceeded ww2 losses by solid margin. (and this not even counting the seceded territories)
16:09 mangol so this is looking like a hail mary attempt to get into ru again before us collapses internally
16:13 asciilifeform greatest existential threat to reich is the existence of an 'outside'. historically, and today.
16:13 dulapbot Logged on 2022-04-08 13:19:03 asciilifeform: likely 100% sincere. 'there's reich and, outside its walls, there's barbarism' etc
16:15 asciilifeform 'outside' is tolerated traditionally for so long as remains strictly a place to steal/buy 'for glass beads' minerals, exploit dirt-cheap labour, film picturesque carnage, etc
16:15 dulapbot Logged on 2022-03-24 12:00:33 asciilifeform: signpost: the 'controlled chaos' reich.strategy aint any kinda seekrit.
16:19 asciilifeform where they can afford -- set up continuing bloodbath (iraq, syria, ukristan, even mexico); where cannot -- blockade
16:23 asciilifeform mangol: ukrowank was originally aimed to start in '14. but putin succeeded in keeping 'on ice' for 8y, buying time to conduct a hurried (and limitedly successful) 'deiphonization' (get off addiction to 'swift', 'visa', give eureich time to strange its fission plants, etc)
16:23 dulapbot (trilema) 2014-03-12 asciilifeform: 'The guest post from Renée last week appeared on this blog because Huffington Post refused to run it. And now I hear that no comment linking the new Ukrainian government to the neo-Nazis or the neo-Nazis to the mass murder in Kiev can get through on any news site. It seems like there is an actual news blackout on this message.'
16:23 dulapbot Logged on 2022-03-08 16:52:46 asciilifeform: signpost: difficult to interpret the '14--present provocations ('let's shell coupla mil folx 24/7') in any other light
16:24 asciilifeform *strangle its
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17:23 mangol asciilifeform: 'deiphonization' = the current 'special operation' or started earlier?
17:26 asciilifeform mangol: '14
17:27 asciilifeform ( see above. in '14 ru still relied on over9000 foreign services for basic function )
17:27 mangol ah, deiphonization in ru itself
17:27 asciilifeform aha
17:27 mangol how can reich stay afloat if the us and eu economies stay on the current downward spiral?
17:28 mangol and general competence
17:28 asciilifeform mangol: current angle seems to be 'let's eat eu to run usa for anuther decade'
17:29 mangol yeah. the column from which i pulled the missile quote concluded the same
17:29 asciilifeform eu being a set of usa satrapies since '45, this is not proving difficult
17:30 mangol "front row seat" right here. our leaders eagerly lap up everything us sends our way
17:30 asciilifeform reich seems to have made this decision rather long time ago, e.g. in '16 turned it into dump ground for 'refugees' etc
17:31 mangol us itself now following suit with the refugees
17:31 mangol a decade is about the time in which the oldest lizards will die
17:32 mangol are they really not planning further than that?
17:33 * asciilifeform not infiltrated lizard hq, has nfi. but these by all appearances aint folx with long-term plans.
17:34 mangol the thing that bugs me is that say what we will of us competence, a lot of their plays seem to work really well
17:34 mangol how's it possible for people who can design and execute stuff like that to be so blinded by greed?
17:34 mangol i reckon many of them have kids
17:35 mangol who will live longer than 10y
17:35 asciilifeform from pov of arbitrarily narrow top of pyramid, reich worx a++ bugfree
17:35 dulapbot Logged on 2022-03-14 14:13:44 asciilifeform: from the pov of the perps -- for whom 'function' is 'keep the yachts afloat' -- never been healthier
17:35 asciilifeform while can find whom to eat.
17:38 mangol "even the biggest dung heap has a top on which someone can stand"?
17:38 asciilifeform aha
17:38 asciilifeform is how it worked since e.g. 'east india co', aint in any sense new scheme.
17:39 mangol "the empire on which the sun never sets" version 2.0
17:39 mangol so if the top 50 lizards can get more yachts for themselves and their kids, they'll happily sacrifice the next top 500 lizards
17:41 mangol i recall a couple years back many in the tech ceo tier went on a bunker buying spree
17:41 asciilifeform mangol: near as can tell, is largely about sustaining old appetites in spite of shrinking resource base, rather than 'moar yacht' per se
17:41 dulapbot Logged on 2021-09-27 10:49:47 asciilifeform: PeterL: both come from same root -- lizards' desire to keep their yachts, palaces, and cocaine despite a collapsing support base. i.e. same thing that happened in e.g. argentina. (or 1700s fr. for that matter. and plenty of other places.)
17:43 mangol what was threatening their current lifestyle? you'd think the top 500 lizards are utterly immune to shrinking resources society-wide
17:43 mangol unless they fuck up their own society on their own initiative
17:44 mangol the noob's eye view of the whole circus is the elite pissing on their own cereal for no particular reason
17:44 asciilifeform mangol: the (take arbitrarily) '500' aint autonomous, require over9000 levels of pyramid to run.
17:50 mangol the general trend seems to be squeezing the bottom of the pyramid to push more of the resources to the top
17:50 asciilifeform post-medieval 'merchant' nobility was sustainable only in context of expanding resource base. in shrinking/stagnant resource base, the old (hereditary nobility, serfs, etc) system is the stable one. so currently reich activity all with aim to reorg into the latter.
17:50 dulapbot Logged on 2020-06-08 11:27:33 asciilifeform: to give concrete example -- non-debased currency and freedom of commerce; but also somehow at same time feudal-style hereditary nobility. ignoring the historical fact that the former , on planet3, nailed the latter
17:50 asciilifeform while maintaining pretenses, where possible
17:53 mangol so the 'aspirational 15%' want to become merchant nobility, but the elite wants to turn them into batteries
17:54 asciilifeform so, 1 obv. example, in usa the traditional 'carrots' of 'middle class' increasingly turning into myth/legend
17:54 dulapbot Logged on 2022-03-24 11:32:00 asciilifeform: the cancellation of middle class in the reich that mats was cheering for is moar or less the abandonment of the 'carrot', lizards appear to think 'stick' will suffice 4evah
17:54 mangol i.e. "the death of the american dream" in mass media
17:55 mangol need one hell of a stick
17:55 mangol are they betting on machines to do all the work?
17:55 asciilifeform past 'dead' and progressing into 'if you so much as mention it, yer a racist/terrorist/putler stooge'
17:55 dulapbot Logged on 2022-04-07 18:55:28 asciilifeform: characteristically, and in line w/ historical norm, the angriest folx aint the 'how do i make rent' but the 'grandfather had a farm, father had a house, i have 200k$ 'college' debt' people
17:56 mangol so environmentalism / great reset / etc. is one of the major preparations for this
17:56 asciilifeform mangol: mno. work -- for slaves. a la e.g. brazil. category to eventually include ~erryone.
17:57 asciilifeform mangol: aka 'load shedding'.
17:57 dulapbot (trilema) 2015-07-09 asciilifeform: i wonder if any of them ever encountered phrase 'load shedding'
17:59 asciilifeform and yes, lizards make apparently no secret of aim of 'great reset'(tm), 'you'll own nothing and be happy'(tm)(r)
17:59 mangol yeah, fun to see the powerpoint presentations
18:00 mangol but they can't make everyone slave away for them indefinitely without escalating the physical violence
18:01 asciilifeform for so long as said violence sums to 0 -- sure, can, wainot
18:01 dulapbot Logged on 2022-04-09 13:48:28 asciilifeform: mangol: imho obv. to anyone whose 'third eye' is even half-open, that reich cultivates 'lumpenization', promotes degeneracy, and actively curates 'movements' which sum to 'break coupla windows, steal coupla tvs, then go home and od on dope', neutralizing the 'active' and terrorizing the 'passive'
18:01 mangol current violence is at BLM levels at home, color revolution levels abroad
18:01 asciilifeform 100% curated.
18:03 mangol i still fail to see how this scam won't reach a saturation point
18:04 asciilifeform mangol: how do you picture 'saturation point' ?
18:04 mangol people have had enough; life is too miserable for too many, lies too transparent
18:05 asciilifeform then wat ?
18:05 mangol counter-violence
18:05 mangol muppet heads on stakes
18:06 asciilifeform mangol: familiar w/ history of peasant uprisings in europe ?
18:06 signpost what makes you think a mechanized military that can establish a green zone in baghdad will have any problem keeping antifa out of dc?
18:07 mangol current trend is that the 'peasant' class will encompass virtually everybody
18:07 asciilifeform it's about the structural invariants, rather the wunderwaffen. pyramidal order worked a++ even when both 'sides' were armed with entirely similar sharp sticks.
18:08 asciilifeform (it aint about the fact that atm 1 has stealth bomber and other pistol, no)
18:08 signpost yep, peasantry here gets their food from walmart, not their own field.
18:08 asciilifeform *rather than
18:09 mangol isn't technology the only way to arbitrarily grow the % of people who are slaves?
18:09 signpost plenty of redneck larping about how they might, in retirement, grow a tomato vine or two.
18:09 signpost later, you know.
18:09 mangol lol
18:09 asciilifeform w/ monsanto fertilizer, herbicide, plowed with john deere tractor, etc
18:10 asciilifeform mangol: 'all slaves' is the historic norm, rather than requiring mega-tech.
18:11 asciilifeform expanding resource base briefly gave departure from norm.
18:11 mangol do you envision taking tech away from plebs as one main pillar of going back?
18:12 asciilifeform selective taking.
18:12 signpost why take the iphone, for example.
18:12 asciilifeform keep the tracking collar; lose the suburban house, mercedes, etc
18:12 signpost tracking collar, permissioned payment device, etc
18:12 signpost heh
18:13 mangol so only artistocrats having tech is like only aristocrats having weapons
18:13 mangol force multiplier that lets them rule
18:14 asciilifeform who rations resources (definitionally) rules
18:15 mangol would be fun to see what kind of propaganda is used to introduce the idea that going outside without a collar is lame
18:15 asciilifeform worth to remember that industrial system is inherently centralizing.
18:15 dulapbot Logged on 2021-07-13 15:30:15 asciilifeform: really is an effect of industrialization, which is centralizing; result can be stalin, hitler, or fdr-flavoured, but otherwise very similar, there is no such thing as 'multiple elites' in a civilization in long term
18:15 mangol where collar = implant, most likely
18:17 asciilifeform mangol: no 'implant' simply from reich strategy of 'soft', i.e. deceptive, mutilation, rather than straight force
18:17 dulapbot Logged on 2022-03-25 15:18:30 asciilifeform: current reich is based on model of 'cheaper to guard the concentration camp if the inmates can be persuaded that they aint in one' ;
18:17 asciilifeform inmates queue up enthusiastically to buy tracking collar.
18:17 asciilifeform and wear proudly
18:18 asciilifeform and for most part, so well-behaved that aint even particularly interesting to track'em
18:20 mangol http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-26#1089054 << apropos
18:20 dulapbot Logged on 2022-03-26 08:35:00 mangol: i.e. not secretive "defense contractors" but something hip and convenient sold to the public like an apple watch
18:20 mangol Weizenbaum:
18:20 mangol "I think the computer has from the beginning been a fundamentally conservative force. It has made possible the saving of institutions pretty much as they were, which otherwise might have had to be changed. For example, banking. Superficially, it looks as if banking has been revolutionized by the computer. But only very superficially. Consider that, say 20, 25 years ago, the banks were faced with the
18:21 mangol fact that the population was growing at a very rapid rate, many more checks would be written than before, and so on. Their response was to bring in the computer."
18:21 asciilifeform while the only marketable feature of implant remains 'difficult for victim to remove', will remain a niche thing ( e.g. asciilifeform's late cat had one )
18:22 mangol the swedish startup spun it as a vaccine passport
18:22 asciilifeform mangol: weizenbaum was entirely correct, banking as currently seen in reich could have complexity-collapsed, resulting in reversion to historic practice. electro-banking -- gave it reprieve
18:22 dulapbot Logged on 2022-01-14 20:07:52 asciilifeform: i.e. you go to yer l1 hawaladar.
18:24 asciilifeform mangol: consider why regular passport not implanted yet.
18:24 verisimilitude It's easier for an agent to have a fake passport?
18:25 asciilifeform for instance.
18:26 mangol asciilifeform: i expect the "killer app" for an implant to be making payments and/or opening door locks, if we're going with what's convenient
18:26 asciilifeform there's a large chunk of reich system which relies on 'unprincipled exceptions'
18:26 dulapbot Logged on 2022-01-11 08:30:30 asciilifeform: cgra: nobody's in fact abolishing cash, it's an 'unprincipled exception' quite necessary for the reich to function, and attempts to phase it out give similar result to hruschev's idiocy
18:26 verisimilitude I ran into an issue with computerized banking lately.
18:27 mangol ... or some kind of public health or airport security style "it's for your own good", if they're going the FUD route
18:27 verisimilitude I can buy a $500 dictionary set with no question, but when I purchase a few too many $1 songs at the same time, the debit card got locked, because that touched upon a heuristic method for detecting fraud.
18:28 asciilifeform verisimilitude: happens all the time. go to diff. petrol station than usual, locked, etc
18:28 verisimilitude As this happened at night, I was unable to receive a call, so I got a letter in the mail.
18:29 verisimilitude Fortunately, I only use the debit card in situations where I be unable to use anything else. I never use it when cash is possible.
18:29 mangol asciilifeform: can't the unprincipled exceptions be applied by the people who check the ID?
18:30 verisimilitude Some months, my server rental is the only charge.
18:30 mangol or gov't looking the other way when the right people carry hacked / modded ID
18:30 verisimilitude That's too complicated, mangol.
18:30 asciilifeform mangol: this requires ground-level people 'in on the scam'
18:31 mangol how's a modded or flashed chip different from a fake passport?
18:32 asciilifeform note that 'implanted keys' is a pretty great way to convert theft into kidnapping/murder/vivisection (depending on exact design of the key) , likely cools enthusiasm
18:32 mangol lizards fearing for own safety?
18:33 asciilifeform sublizards
18:33 mangol what's the threshold for lizardry
18:34 asciilifeform fwiw in asciilifeform's cosmography, a sublizard is a 'human' who directly executes orders from lizard, while exposed to 'humans' in daily context
18:34 asciilifeform the creation of this caste was, arguably, result of 1917
18:35 mangol so lizard is someone too high up the food chain to have blood on his hands
18:35 asciilifeform high enuff that 'no one' knows name, face, or (most) even willing to ack that he exists.
18:37 asciilifeform from this pov, a face that appears on a podium, tv, fishwrap -- does not belong to a lizard.
18:38 asciilifeform the faces which do so appear -- changed 'like gloves' regularly
18:38 mangol sure - the gloves on which the blood
18:38 asciilifeform ( see also )
18:38 dulapbot Logged on 2022-04-09 22:23:38 asciilifeform: mats: at this pt the logs span 2 sets of nominally opposite sets of washingtoni muppets. notice any serious change, visible to naked eye, in how reich operates , over this time ?
18:39 mangol even noam chomsky noticed that the two US parties have indistinguishable policies, over long enough timescale
18:40 verisimilitude They distinguish in meaningless ways.
18:40 verisimilitude Faggotry now, or in a few years.
18:40 verisimilitude Gun restrictions now, or in a few years.
18:40 verisimilitude But notice, mangol, funding for Israel now, and also in a few years.
18:41 signpost http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-11#1095113 << I've an eink dumbphone with physical kill-switch arriving today, will post a review after a while.
18:41 dulapbot Logged on 2022-04-11 14:14:18 mangol: would be fun to see what kind of propaganda is used to introduce the idea that going outside without a collar is lame
18:41 asciilifeform mangol: generally a plebe who attempts to discover (how?) concretes re identity of lizards, at best ends in a designated glue trap, similar to the kind erry bio lab in the world has for escaped mice.
18:41 dulapbot Logged on 2022-03-25 12:38:16 asciilifeform: mangol: reich stratagem is to set up a perceived dichotomy where yer either 'with the program' or out in 'the lonesome deep space', outside the city walls, in company of 'martians did 9-11', etc. illiterates/schizos
18:42 asciilifeform signpost: been looking for 'dumb' pnoje which supports whitelists for many yrs. do post if found.
18:42 asciilifeform ( pnoje which can't whitelist is imho rather useless, unless you can use 'like binladen' and not need to recv calls at all )
18:43 signpost https://mudita.com/products/phones/mudita-pure/ << this thing, runs https://github.com/mudita/MuditaOS (based on freeRTOS)
18:43 asciilifeform coupla early 2000s models did, but today nonfunctional in asciilifeform's shithole, on acct of '2g' and '3g' cancellation
18:44 signpost so in principle oughta be able to mod to liking, but will let y'all know how easy it is to rebuild/reflash
18:44 asciilifeform interesting
18:44 * signpost brb
18:44 * asciilifeform loox fwd to signpost's review
18:45 asciilifeform brochure loox nifty.
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19:07 phf pure mudila
19:11 phf asciilifeform: there's dumbphones with lte calling. i've been meaning to pick up one, but for now i just don't use a phone anymore
19:15 phf e.g. https://www.nokia.com/phones/en_us/nokia-225-4g?sku=16QENB11A01
19:15 phf actually i think that's one of two that are generally available at usg stores
19:17 mangol http://logs.bitdash.io/asciilifeform/2022-04-11#1095154 << which event in 1917?
19:17 bitbot Logged on 2022-04-11 18:34:52 asciilifeform: the creation of this caste was, arguably, result of 1917
19:23 mangol http://logs.bitdash.io/asciilifeform/2022-04-11#1095153 << the interface is very sensitive since there's so much power at stake. afaik the only known way to ensure trust is to have a hierarchy where you rise by taking on increasing (and increasingly compromising) responsibilities
19:23 bitbot Logged on 2022-04-11 18:34:15 asciilifeform: fwiw in asciilifeform's cosmography, a sublizard is a 'human' who directly executes orders from lizard, while exposed to 'humans' in daily context
19:24 mangol so someone like obama or gates rose as high up as you can rise from relatively humble beginnings
19:26 mangol above them, a network of "handlers" (where tf do these come from?), then the puppet masters
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19:59 mangol as a thought experiment, i wonder if there's a also social status mechanism built into the brain that guards high-ups from remorse
20:00 mangol humans are social climbers. normies think movie stars or obama are the highest status people on earth and calibrate accordingly.
20:00 mangol the lizards were born on top of the world and have their own hierarchy where movie stardom is immaterial
20:01 mangol once you climb to the gates level, the brain probably starts to instinctively follow that hierarchy (as far as it can grasp it)
20:02 mangol so the whole concept of showing remorse toward people on the normie hierarchy starts to lose meaning
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21:22 mats most of the lte dumb phones i've seen are android kaios, except for this one https://www.amazon.com/Jethro-SC490-Unlocked-Compatible-Certified/dp/B08D71WXYN
21:24 mats its android too, but not sure what exactly
21:29 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-11#1095181 << lot of'em , but no whitelist
21:29 dulapbot Logged on 2022-04-11 15:10:14 phf: asciilifeform: there's dumbphones with lte calling. i've been meaning to pick up one, but for now i just don't use a phone anymore
21:29 dulapbot Logged on 2022-04-11 14:41:40 asciilifeform: ( pnoje which can't whitelist is imho rather useless, unless you can use 'like binladen' and not need to recv calls at all )
21:31 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-11#1095180 << lolyes. unfortunate branding
21:31 dulapbot Logged on 2022-04-11 15:06:27 phf: pure mudila
21:34 asciilifeform $ticker btc usd
21:34 busybot Current BTC price in USD: $39733.66
21:35 asciilifeform ^ possib. recent waterfall refill
21:35 dulapbot Logged on 2022-04-05 14:21:50 asciilifeform: ^ claimed '23e6 eur worth of btc confiscated' , i.e. ~546 btc then.
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23:15 jonsykkel http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-05#1093177 << greatest thing ive ever seen
23:15 dulapbot Logged on 2022-04-05 23:11:12 phf: asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQkZzgXw_G8
23:15 jonsykkel http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-11#1094979 << mycket kiitos, yeah i know the basics
23:15 dulapbot Logged on 2022-04-11 08:22:07 cgra: jonsykkel: fwiw, i was impressed by your welcome =)
23:15 * jonsykkel takes sip of pirkka päronmehu
23:15 jonsykkel http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2018-07-22#1837162 << im curious about this idea, wat does sending below noise floor mean? would think the transmission must raise some band of the noise floor by a litle bit for receiver to able able to see
23:15 dulapbot (trilema) 2018-07-22 asciilifeform: basic idea, however buried under mountain of paper rubbish, is deadly simple : instead of periodic wave, you send shaped bursts of 'static' that cover entire $band ( ideally, below noise floor ); on other side, receiver has a correspondingly-shaped filter. pulse position encoding + luby etc. for receive.
23:19 jonsykkel where "able able" == "be able"
23:24 signpost http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-11#1095167 << so far this thing doesn't suck.
23:24 dulapbot Logged on 2022-04-11 14:40:06 signpost: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-04-11#1095113 << I've an eink dumbphone with physical kill-switch arriving today, will post a review after a while.
23:25 signpost grunting out the list of kernel modules necessary to tether with it atm.
23:25 verisimilitude Why won't idiots like you use TLS, as enlightened people do? TLS is easy and makes no trouble for anyone using it correctly. It's not as if the treadmill will consume the runner. Get with the times.
23:27 signpost "I'm sad guys, and I don't even know how to handle the emotion."
23:28 signpost imagine such a life that this, not the loss of a war, nor the starvation of a loved one, is the emotion impossible to handle.
23:28 signpost verisimilitude: also stop reading HN; it's bad for you.
23:37 verisimilitude Give me some other perch from which I may peer down and sneer at my lessers, then.
23:38 verisimilitude I've learned from them, learned how pathetic some people can be, to be specific.
23:39 verisimilitude On the topic of a phone whitelist, I recall finding it odd to hear of blacklisting functionality, but no corresponding whitelist functionality; they truly lack such?
23:40 shinohai HN is like a reddit where everyone takes HRT and loves Rust.
23:46 verisimilitude I occasionally find a what appears to be a genuine human on Hacker News; I invited one here lately, but he hasn't shown up.
23:50 verisimilitude He seemed to know quite a bit about Project Xanadu.
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