00:02 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-01#1081688 << but will staff it w/ imported coolies, slaving extraterritorially ? ... or charge 15x per chip to pay for osha, 'health care', welfarism, etc ? |
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00:02 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-03-01 18:33:33 signpost: https://udumbara.net/tsmc-the-worlds-most-sought-after-company << "TSMC has devised a plan for its Arizona plant to quickly replicate its plants in Taiwan. The move outlines TSMC???s intention to mirror its comprehensive supply chain in Taiwan to the United States due to concerns over Beijing???s potential invasion." |
00:02 |
asciilifeform |
( consider wai the orig factories were in tw rather than arizona ) |
00:07 |
asciilifeform |
in other lulz, crapple closes its stores in ru. surely 'putler' will surrender, deprived of ipnoje, apparently goes the thinking. |
00:07 |
mats |
no need for explosives, the latest node lines require highly esoteric knowledge to run, no? |
00:08 |
asciilifeform |
mats: the moar interesting q is who, for what, and just how badly, needs 'the latest lines' |
00:08 |
asciilifeform |
... to run win11 ? rly need ? |
00:09 |
asciilifeform |
maybe, not need win11 at all. |
00:09 |
asciilifeform |
ru mil irons fwiw ~all on 2uM (u, not n..) or 'thicker'. worx a++. |
00:10 |
asciilifeform |
and, bonus, rad-hard. |
00:11 |
mats |
nvidia ? amd? |
00:11 |
mats |
ml things |
00:11 |
asciilifeform |
mats: i.e. sv hokum ? |
00:11 |
mats |
if gpus are hokum i guess |
00:12 |
asciilifeform |
ru folx learned to live w/out roquefort, will learn to live w/out win11, 'call of duty xviii', etc |
00:13 |
asciilifeform |
long-overdue total exodus from microshit & poetteringware, who knows, also in the cards |
00:14 |
mats |
talon voice models are trained on a buncha gpus |
00:14 |
asciilifeform |
mats: whatever incidentally happened to 'transputer' ? entirely fine 'iron nn' arch of 1980s. |
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00:15 |
asciilifeform |
maybe will be rediscovered in ru. |
00:15 |
mats |
not familiar |
00:16 |
asciilifeform |
subj |
00:21 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-01#1081628 << verisimilitude will be pleased to learn that tombs which nobody ups the refcount on, do typically get gc'd eventually. |
00:21 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-03-01 14:45:18 verisimilitude: I think that graveyards shouldn't exist. They waste land. |
00:23 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-01#1081639 << the folx printing monopolymoneys by the megatonne, sooner or later will have to stoke furnace w/ it in winter |
00:23 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-03-01 17:44:09 PeterL: Gazprom dropping like a rock, anybody want to guess best time to grab that knife? |
00:24 |
asciilifeform |
and with stocks, derivatives, etc. artifacts of financialism. |
00:25 |
asciilifeform |
... while the brass ring of 'demand btc for exports' still hanging on the wall for the 1st crowned head with fully working set of balls + brain to grab it |
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00:25 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-02-28 22:28:51 asciilifeform: continuing w/ this pov -- exactly 0 stopped ru from at any pt in past decade demanding btc payment for gas etc |
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00:41 |
signpost |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-01#1081700 << >> http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-01#1081687 |
00:41 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-03-01 19:01:49 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-01#1081688 << but will staff it w/ imported coolies, slaving extraterritorially ? ... or charge 15x per chip to pay for osha, 'health care', welfarism, etc ? |
00:41 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-03-01 18:32:14 signpost: https://science.house.gov/americacompetes << yup |
00:41 |
signpost |
with printola, apparently. |
00:42 |
signpost |
52bn |
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02:22 |
asciilifeform |
lol, suppose that'd build 1/2 of an intel fab. if 52e9 of 2010 usd... |
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~ 1 hours 2 minutes ~ |
03:25 |
verisimilitude |
I don't like birthday cards and the like either, signpost; does this also make me a solipsist? |
03:26 |
signpost |
no, believing you have the power to declare things you don't understand irrelevant does. |
03:26 |
verisimilitude |
I understand graves, and dislike the idea. |
03:27 |
verisimilitude |
Cremation is better, generally. |
03:27 |
signpost |
don't believe that was the subj |
03:27 |
verisimilitude |
Okay. |
03:28 |
verisimilitude |
I don't understand Microsoft Windows either. |
03:29 |
signpost |
not going to put effort into having a superficial back and forth with you on this. |
03:29 |
verisimilitude |
Okay. |
03:36 |
verisimilitude |
I'm not content with accepting everything, signpost; there are things about which I will think, to find a reason to dislike them, and then cut out of my life. We're human, so finding a reason to feel anger, disgust, or resentment helps one stay away from things. |
03:50 |
verisimilitude |
Hello, bonechewer. |
03:50 |
bonechewer |
re http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-01#1081700 , EETimes has already noticed the culture clash |
03:50 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-03-01 19:01:49 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-01#1081688 << but will staff it w/ imported coolies, slaving extraterritorially ? ... or charge 15x per chip to pay for osha, 'health care', welfarism, etc ? |
03:51 |
* |
bonechewer can confirm that regular 12+ hour work days are par for the course in Taiwan |
03:52 |
verisimilitude |
Couldn't the US TSMC simply act more like Intel? |
03:52 |
bonechewer |
and the stereotype of Americans is as lazy, most certainly including me |
03:52 |
signpost |
verisimilitude: seems you're having a hard time following. I was talking about this http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-01#1081633 |
03:52 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-03-01 17:38:08 signpost: the financial games mean your supply chains fail, sooner or later. then what, reality will bend to your will? |
03:52 |
verisimilitude |
Well, USSMC by that point. |
03:52 |
signpost |
which was in reference to http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-01#1081623 |
03:52 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-03-01 14:23:28 verisimilitude: None of these financial games really mean anything. |
03:52 |
signpost |
but also a broader pattern of you living inside your own head. |
03:53 |
signpost |
do what you will with this observation. gonna leave it be now. |
03:53 |
verisimilitude |
These games have been utterly fucked for decades, signpost. |
03:53 |
verisimilitude |
So? |
03:53 |
bonechewer |
My Mandarin is minimal (and I am functionally illiterate) but a set phrase when you think someone is being too lackadaisical is "wo meiyou nage meiguo shijian", "I don't have that American time." |
03:54 |
signpost |
"so" has already been said. |
03:55 |
signpost |
bonechewer: spent time there? |
03:55 |
bonechewer |
Yes, regular visitor pre-pandemic |
03:57 |
verisimilitude |
I can tell my delusions apart from reality, but do enjoy them, signpost. |
03:57 |
bonechewer |
highly recommend the place fwiw |
03:57 |
verisimilitude |
I barely recall any of the Chinese courses I took; the language is ghastly. |
03:57 |
signpost |
bonechewer: definitely want to visit. |
03:57 |
verisimilitude |
I'd ask my teacher for the etymology of terms, looking for the underlying system, but she never knew. |
03:57 |
signpost |
bonechewer: curious what your sense of this is |
03:57 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-03-01 18:29:12 mats: they'll do it for the money, when the dollars dry up from endless mismanagement |
03:58 |
bonechewer |
ghastly how? The grammar is dead easy. The writing system is amenable to brute force effort. |
03:58 |
verisimilitude |
It's ghastly compared to Latin, anyway. |
03:58 |
* |
signpost was using "Hello Chinese" for a bit, picked the transliterated language up quickly (since... forgotten) but the written wouldn't stick. |
03:59 |
bonechewer |
hmm, I'm at a level where either the etymology is obvious, or the term is too basic to care about etymology |
03:59 |
* |
bonechewer has not put in the grinding labor and sheer number of hours needed to get the writing system either |
03:59 |
verisimilitude |
But, yes, if we don't discount brute force, then it be fine enough, I suppose. |
03:59 |
verisimilitude |
I was only ever interested in reading, not speaking. |
04:00 |
bonechewer |
Aha. Just the reverse for me. |
04:00 |
verisimilitude |
I suppose learning Mandarin solves the problem a tad. |
04:01 |
bonechewer |
about the writing system, signpost, the TW belief is that you don't really know a character unless you can write it with the strokes made the correct direction, in the correct order, and that is how they teach you. |
04:01 |
verisimilitude |
The television broadcasts have subtitles, but are usually in Mandarin. |
04:01 |
bonechewer |
I scoffed at that at first, but I find it really does help |
04:03 |
bonechewer |
verisimilitude: yeah I was referring to Mandarin, gwo yu. I do abysmally with the Mandarin tones, but at least have the hope of slow progress. The Taiwanese (hoklo) tone system absolutely escapes me. |
04:04 |
verisimilitude |
I need to finish watching the ``Empire of Dust'' documentary. |
04:05 |
signpost |
bonechewer: doesn't surprise me given the required precision for tone. would expect same level of fine detail in the writing system. |
04:05 |
verisimilitude |
It concerns Chinese expansion into Africa. |
04:05 |
signpost |
verisimilitude: I'll check that out as well. |
04:05 |
bonechewer |
Yeah, we've all seen the "it's all so tiresome" meme from that one |
04:06 |
verisimilitude |
Yes. |
04:06 |
verisimilitude |
Latin ``tones'' are easy, short or long. |
04:07 |
verisimilitude |
I've only issues recalling the long A and long O, since those really are just long and make no very distinct sound. |
04:10 |
bonechewer |
For me language is a way to communicate with other living humans, which is why I have no interest in Latin, but there are these |
04:13 |
verisimilitude |
I was just going to bother the local priests. |
04:23 |
bonechewer |
sounds good, let us know how it goes |
04:23 |
* |
bonechewer must bbl |
04:32 |
mats |
podcasts are a great way to pick up another language |
04:34 |
mats |
there's the instructional stuff, where they play it in en and then yournewlanguage, and there's the edutainment where they talk in spanglish so you get used to hearing the words and don't get classroom fatigue as quickly |
04:35 |
mats |
there's tens of thousands of hours of excellent free content in virtually every language you'd want to learn, barring the more obscure stuff like cantonese |
04:36 |
mats |
some folks give away the content and sell classes, one pod i'm in offers zoom-style meetups with 1 instructor and 5-8 seats for learners, it costs $10/mo and they run like twenty sessions a month |
04:37 |
mats |
never been cheaper or easier to learn a new language |
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05:08 |
asciilifeform |
meanwhile in footshoot olympics: usg.boeing embargos planes / parts to ru. where (like errywhere) most airlines -- lease. so, shortly, to be shipped back (not so much need for'em nomoar) and flood market... |
05:10 |
asciilifeform |
(alternatively they could simply stop paying & keep'em) |
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~ 21 minutes ~ |
05:32 |
verisimilitude |
Russia is still sending gas down the pipeline, right? |
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06:11 |
mats |
yes |
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~ 3 hours 45 minutes ~ |
09:56 |
crtdaydreams |
meanwhile, chumpatronics [re-inventing the wheel for the 6e9th time.] |
09:57 |
crtdaydreams |
meanwhile, chumpatronics re-inventing the wheel for the 6e9th time. |
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10:04 |
crtdaydreams |
"muh ai" not gon happen if you don't have *affordable* fab. not to mention a sane building block |
10:05 |
crtdaydreams |
not even a mention of lispm |
10:07 |
crtdaydreams |
atleast he recognized the von neumann bottleneck, but without acknowledging alternate arch how can you make an arguement "this is the future, deal with it" |
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10:09 |
crtdaydreams |
i bet he goes home to program in rust on his WSL system ontop win11 and thinks "this is fine." |
10:09 |
crtdaydreams |
prolly uses light mode too. |
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14:45 |
shinohai |
$vwap |
14:45 |
busybot |
The 24-Hour VWAP for BTC is $ 43757.63 USD |
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15:15 |
billymg |
http://logs.bitdash.io/asciilifeform/2022-03-02#1081805 << order is [link][title] |
15:15 |
bitbot |
Logged on 2022-03-02 09:57:29 crtdaydreams: meanwhile, chumpatronics re-inventing the wheel for the 6e9th time. |
15:15 |
asciilifeform |
meanwhile, cement testbed at 519k+. |
15:19 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-02#1081808 << asciilifeform recs to eat less pseudoeducational rubbish on lolcattube etc |
15:19 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-03-02 05:07:28 crtdaydreams: atleast he recognized the von neumann bottleneck, but without acknowledging alternate arch how can you make an arguement "this is the future, deal with it" |
15:19 |
dulapbot |
(trilema) 2016-12-01 asciilifeform: asciilifeform refers to this genre of writing as '10th-dimension', after infamous pseudoscientific b00k/www by same name, which consisted of highly refined 'imponade' (to borrow naggum's) , that is, writing designed to pull the reader's intellectual cock and give a sensation of 'profound insight', 'yes, NAO i UNDERSTAND FIZZZIX!' or similar. |
15:21 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-03-02#1081802 << hilariously, yes, and effectively for phree (i.e. for paperola which they can't even spend, rather than troo coin) |
15:21 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-03-02 00:31:47 verisimilitude: Russia is still sending gas down the pipeline, right? |
15:21 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-02-28 22:28:51 asciilifeform: continuing w/ this pov -- exactly 0 stopped ru from at any pt in past decade demanding btc payment for gas etc |
15:23 |
asciilifeform |
... not to mention that the correct time to tighten that noose was 6-8wks ago, rather than nao when winter ending. but see also. |
15:23 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-02-28 22:21:08 asciilifeform: mats: asciilifeform's guess is that he's hobbled by traitorous ministers who already reserved villas in miami. is the only half-plausible explanation for over9000 'whys' |
15:25 |
asciilifeform |
afaik ru still sending e.g. titanium, heavy crude, etc. to usa also. |
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16:26 |
asciilifeform |
!w poll |
16:26 |
watchglass |
Polling 14 nodes... |
16:26 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.26:8333 : Alive: (0.022s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=725556 |
16:26 |
watchglass |
71.191.220.241:8333 : (pool-71-191-220-241.washdc.fios.verizon.net) Alive: (0.094s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=725557 (Operator: asciilifeform) |
16:26 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.4:8333 : (172-4.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.088s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=725557 |
16:26 |
watchglass |
54.39.156.171:8333 : (ns562940.ip-54-39-156.net) Alive: (0.112s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=725557 |
16:26 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.27:8333 : Alive: (0.091s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=725557 (Operator: asciilifeform) |
16:26 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.28:8333 : Alive: (0.083s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=725557 (Operator: whaack) |
16:26 |
watchglass |
208.94.240.42:8333 : Alive: (0.143s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=725557 |
16:26 |
watchglass |
54.38.94.63:8333 : (ns3140226.ip-54-38-94.eu) Alive: (0.257s) V=88888 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.8.88.88/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=725557 |
16:26 |
watchglass |
82.79.58.192:8333 : (static-82-79-58-192.rdsnet.ro) Alive: (0.268s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=725557 |
16:26 |
watchglass |
94.176.238.102:8333 : (2ppf.s.time4vps.cloud) Alive: (0.309s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=725080 |
16:27 |
watchglass |
103.36.92.112:8333 : Violated BTC Protocol: Bad header length! |
16:28 |
watchglass |
143.202.160.10:8333 : Busy? (No answer in 100 sec.) |
16:28 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.6:8333 : Busy? (No answer in 100 sec.) |
16:28 |
watchglass |
75.106.222.93:8333 : Busy? (No answer in 100 sec.) |
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16:57 |
signpost |
asciilifeform: I expect that the "sanctions" are fake on the other end, too. |
16:58 |
asciilifeform |
signpost: near as can tell, the mpexing was genuine |
16:58 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-02-28 22:14:11 mats: bit stale, but the theft of ru central bank money |
16:59 |
signpost |
lemme see if I can find the article which was claiming that there were easy routes around the swift ban. |
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17:16 |
mats |
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-03-02/will-russia-s-ruble-go-gold-backed-ukraine-war-to-impact-us-dollar-dominance |
17:16 |
mats |
no mirror available yet or id link it |
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17:55 |
asciilifeform |
mats: paste txt ? |
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18:28 |
mats |
http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=CLV4 |
18:30 |
asciilifeform |
mats: ty |
18:31 |
mats |
https://archive.fo/Zines |
18:32 |
mats |
>Changpeng ‘CZ’ Zhao said Binance has complied with international government mandates to restrict sanctioned individuals, but that to expand that further would be “unethical for us to do.” The crypto industry follows the “same rules” as banks, he said. |
18:33 |
asciilifeform |
see also. |
18:33 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-03-01 19:24:58 asciilifeform: ... while the brass ring of 'demand btc for exports' still hanging on the wall for the 1st crowned head with fully working set of balls + brain to grab it |
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19:54 |
billymg |
based on some of the wailing on twitter it looks as though even usg.coinbase hasn't taken any steps to block russian users yet, see also: https://archive.is/Iqbk2 |
19:55 |
billymg |
good fodder for narrative of "bitcoin allows the baddies to skirt sanctions, we must clamp down harder to protect ourdemocracy" |
20:01 |
billymg |
does seem like they're losing their grip though, as mats' first article mentions, "Dylan Grice, the former Societe Generale strategist who’s since founded Calderwood Capital, described the recent moves as a “weaponization” of money. “You only get to play the card once,” he tweeted. “China will make it a priority to need no USD before going for Taiwan. It’s a |
20:01 |
billymg |
turning point in monetary history.”" |
20:02 |
asciilifeform |
billymg: lulzy built-in disinfo btw (for what would ru need 'exchanges' if were to demand btc for all exports ? ) |
20:02 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-02-28 22:28:51 asciilifeform: continuing w/ this pov -- exactly 0 stopped ru from at any pt in past decade demanding btc payment for gas etc |
20:03 |
asciilifeform |
exchanges are of strictly plebe interest |
20:03 |
billymg |
asciilifeform: maybe they will |
20:03 |
billymg |
would be epic |
20:04 |
asciilifeform |
billymg: sadly imho unlikely, for obv. reason as well as the fact that moscow also runs a traditional printer-reich |
20:04 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-02-28 22:21:08 asciilifeform: mats: asciilifeform's guess is that he's hobbled by traitorous ministers who already reserved villas in miami. is the only half-plausible explanation for over9000 'whys' |
20:04 |
billymg |
i imagine part of the calculations going into that decision is "how much do we thing usg is holding compared to how much we are holding before we send it to the moon" |
20:05 |
billymg |
think* |
20:05 |
billymg |
asciilifeform: if putin is hung out to dry, like trump was, would be sad day for the world |
20:06 |
verisimilitude |
Never weep for a politician. |
20:06 |
billymg |
i don't give a shit about putin, i care about globohomo losing |
20:07 |
verisimilitude |
Considering we've not heard about Russian gas chambers and other such things, there's little reason to believe Russia is really out-of-control here. |
20:08 |
verisimilitude |
Was Donald Trump not controlled by globohomo? |
20:08 |
billymg |
controlled by or held back by, not sure which, and i guess it makes no difference in the end |
20:09 |
billymg |
little distinction between "pulls the strings" and "sets the boundaries" |
20:09 |
verisimilitude |
Sure, but I don't think it really required too much holding back. |
20:10 |
billymg |
yeah, trump, like all americans, cares too much about his own personal comfort to really risk anything |
20:11 |
billymg |
and comfort levels in america are still too high it seems |
20:11 |
billymg |
not sure about putin and russia though. china does not seemed controlled by globohomo |
20:11 |
verisimilitude |
Not all Americans are like that. Ted Kaczynski and Timothy McVeigh stand out as counterexamples. |
20:16 |
billymg |
amazing point verisimilitude, i'm sure no one here has heard of those two before |
20:18 |
verisimilitude |
I would've pointed out more recent and obscure examples, but they would've outed interests of mine. |
20:19 |
verisimilitude |
China has a new transgender clinic, billymg, but keep on thinking there's no chink in that armor already. |
20:29 |
verisimilitude |
Oh, and while we're on the topic, don't look into the foreigners who were early members of the Communist Party of China, and who received high honors, billymg. |
20:31 |
billymg |
verisimilitude: who were they? |
20:32 |
verisimilitude |
I'd hate to ruin the fun; find out for thyself. |
20:36 |
billymg |
verisimilitude: if i looked them up i'm sure they'd have many characteristics by which one could choose to describe them. i'm interested to know which of their characteristics make them interesting to you, verisimilitude |
20:38 |
thimbronion |
shinohai: your pest station appears to be offline according to my address table |
20:40 |
verisimilitude |
Well, here are three names: Sidney Rittenberg, Israel Epstein, and Sidney Shapiro. |
20:41 |
verisimilitude |
They've interesting names, right? |
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20:41 |
billymg |
not really |
20:41 |
verisimilitude |
Tell me more about how China is free from globalist control, billymg. |
20:42 |
billymg |
tell me more about the connection you see between these three names? |
20:42 |
verisimilitude |
No. |
20:42 |
PeterL |
why bring them up if you are not going to explain? |
20:43 |
billymg |
because he like to troll and bait |
20:44 |
verisimilitude |
How am I trolling by pointing out early foreign influence with the current Chinese government? |
20:44 |
billymg |
he's waiting for someone to say "hrm, they sound like they could be jewish surnames", to which he would reply "i never said that" |
20:44 |
bitbot |
Logged on 2021-01-28 14:44:51 verisimilitude: I didn't mention Jews, but this conversation makes me think of a saying I'd thought of and have been saving since. |
20:44 |
verisimilitude |
I never wrote that. |
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20:44 |
billymg |
never wrote what? |
20:45 |
verisimilitude |
Exactly. |
20:46 |
PeterL |
verisimilitude: is there a point you are trying to make or are you just spinning in circles here? |
20:46 |
verisimilitude |
Well, billymg was rude to me, so I'm being rude to him in-turn. |
20:48 |
verisimilitude |
I point out two killers and am mocked; I point out something of which he seemed to be unaware, and am again taunted. |
20:48 |
verisimilitude |
I'd be interested to read what billymg expects to actually do with any of this information. |
20:49 |
verisimilitude |
What does it really matter, to us, what Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin, compared to more local matters? |
20:50 |
verisimilitude |
What they do, that is. |
20:50 |
billymg |
verisimilitude: that last one i can agree with. more important is what we can control. e.g. trb, pestnet, etc. |
20:51 |
billymg |
verisimilitude: likewise, what does it matter what da jooz do? |
20:51 |
verisimilitude |
Sans a very personal reason, I suppose it mostly doesn't, billymg. |
20:52 |
verisimilitude |
Still, when people discuss Football every day, it occasionally matters to point out who own the teams. |
20:53 |
verisimilitude |
Be they lizards, illumanit, Jews, or aliens, it's more interesting than reading about what the quarterback did to a hooker. |
20:53 |
verisimilitude |
Illuminati, that is. |
20:54 |
billymg |
verisimilitude: suppose it was lizards who owned the football teams, and suppose you were also -- a lizard. just not one of The Lizards. would this change things? |
20:54 |
verisimilitude |
But, no, all my knowledge really does is make me increasingly paranoid and distrustful. |
20:55 |
verisimilitude |
Sure it would. |
20:55 |
billymg |
how so? |
20:55 |
verisimilitude |
Would I care about the plight of the poor were I rich? I probably wouldn't. |
20:55 |
billymg |
re-read what i wrote |
20:55 |
verisimilitude |
I'm shaped by my time and circumstances, obviously. |
20:56 |
verisimilitude |
I thought I understood what was written. |
20:56 |
scoopbot |
New article on Thimbron: Blatta 9981 - Replay Notices |
20:57 |
billymg |
in this scenario the football teams are owned by lizards (rich and powerful ones). you are also a lizard (the species) but you are not rich, nor powerful, nor a member of their club. |
20:58 |
verisimilitude |
I'd resent them as I resent the wealthy now. |
20:58 |
verisimilitude |
I suppose it wouldn't. |
20:58 |
billymg |
right, that's the only point i was trying to make |
20:59 |
verisimilitude |
Before anyone mentions it, I don't secretly seethe at adlai; I actually like him more than some of you. |
21:00 |
verisimilitude |
I taught myself long ago that it's unreasonable to make broad generalizations about groups of people. |
21:00 |
verisimilitude |
Groups that aren't people, think machinery or aliens, deserve no such sympathy, however. |
21:01 |
verisimilitude |
See why honest men should still lie to machines. |
21:11 |
mats |
chinese and jews have a lot in common |
21:11 |
mats |
they eat at the same restaurants on christmas |
21:16 |
verisimilitude |
I've only written one joke about China I currently recall; care to read it? |
21:17 |
thimbronion |
mats ever read any of Amy Chua's books? |
21:23 |
mats |
nope |
21:24 |
mats |
verisimilitude: lay it on us |
21:24 |
verisimilitude |
Regarding my machine customization or ``ricing'': I rice so little one could confuse me with China's Great Leap Forward. |
21:26 |
mats |
a fun rice fact many are unaware of is that white rice is a historical luxury |
21:27 |
verisimilitude |
Brown rice tastes better anyway. |
21:27 |
mats |
it’s labor intensive to refine and polish, so most chinese ate millet, brown rice, and other grains |
21:28 |
verisimilitude |
So my joke was that bad, was it? |
21:29 |
mats |
i tried to be gracious about it, but yes |
21:29 |
verisimilitude |
It got laughs from all others to whom I've told it. |
21:30 |
mats |
ha ha, yellow famine |
21:30 |
verisimilitude |
Care for a different joke? |
21:31 |
mats |
hard pass |
21:31 |
verisimilitude |
It's a much better one, but alright. |
21:32 |
PeterL |
verisimilitude: were they laughing at the joke or laughing at how horrible of a joke it was? |
21:33 |
verisimilitude |
It was the former. |
21:33 |
verisimilitude |
Care for a better joke I wrote in the shower, PeterL? |
21:34 |
PeterL |
can't be any worse than the last one? |
21:35 |
verisimilitude |
How do we know God likes cryptography? |
21:35 |
verisimilitude |
He always has plausible deniability. |
21:44 |
shinohai |
He also has perfect forward secrecy. |
21:44 |
thimbronion |
[ https://www.theguardian.com/books/2014/jan/08/tiger-mother-theory-cultural-group-jews-chinese ] [ Amy Chua in a nutshell ] |
21:45 |
shinohai |
thimbronion: Ack re: pest station, gonna throw it on the znc server asap |
21:46 |
PeterL |
verisimilitude: I dun get it? |
21:47 |
verisimilitude |
No one can prove god exists. |
21:47 |
verisimilitude |
He has a propertly commonly ascribed to cryptographic systems. |
21:47 |
verisimilitude |
That's the joke. |
22:01 |
verisimilitude |
This is a tough channel for jokes, I see. I'll leave this list and be done with it for now. |
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22:36 |
shinohai |
Here's one for you in comic form verisimilitude http://btc.info.gf/uploads/CLISP.jpg |
22:39 |
verisimilitude |
I recall that one, yes. |
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~ 24 minutes ~ |
23:04 |
thimbronion |
verisimilitude: the thing about humor is you have to know your audience |
23:05 |
thimbronion |
My 11 yo often tells me jokes that her friends find hilarious but don't land with me at all |
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~ 21 minutes ~ |
23:26 |
verisimilitude |
I don't know this audience as well as first figured. |
23:28 |
verisimilitude |
I thought surely the cryptography joke would hit. |
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~ 25 minutes ~ |
23:54 |
verisimilitude |
What jokes are the children telling nowadays, thimbronion? |