Show Idle (>14 d.) Chans
← 2022-02-18 | 2022-02-20 → ↓
00:44 crtdaydreams In more http fear mongering.
00:45 crtdaydreams wish I never ``upgraded''
~ 40 minutes ~
01:25 asciilifeform crtdaydreams: so don't upgrade it, wat.
↖
~ 15 minutes ~
01:41 whaack do upgrade, by downdating, don't up_date_
01:42 whaack upgrade<->update synonym is ~psyop
01:51 asciilifeform wb whaack
02:04 asciilifeform whaack: can do e.g. this, when you've the cycles.
↖
02:04 dulapbot Logged on 2022-02-16 00:31:42 whaack: so it'd be mighty nice to get the cement vpatch running in the near future
02:05 * asciilifeform testbed at 263+k, no stalls thus far
~ 1 hours 43 minutes ~
03:49 crtdaydreams http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-02-18#1079958 << ``rolling release'' distro. a la void lincox
03:49 dulapbot Logged on 2022-02-18 20:25:38 asciilifeform: crtdaydreams: so don't upgrade it, wat.
03:49 crtdaydreams so not much choice. want to do LFS but dun want dep. hell.
03:50 crtdaydreams dunno if /g/entoo is what it was cracked up to be, only installed it once and couldn't wrap my head around the package manager
~ 42 minutes ~
04:32 signpost gentoo isn't measured by whether you bothered to learn how to use it, lol
04:33 signpost also inspect your wants; they're tangled in contradictory directions
~ 21 minutes ~
04:55 verisimilitude http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-02-17#1079735 I appreciate the praise.
04:55 dulapbot Logged on 2022-02-17 21:39:04 jonsykkel: verisimilitude: red now, good shit
04:56 verisimilitude http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-02-17#1079736 I wanted to demonstrate the idea well, and so went with a design that minimized the number of tables and composition rules. This served me well when I realized I could turn the same tables into a parser, whereas with this design it's not so clear. The point is to minimize the code in favor of data.
04:56 dulapbot Logged on 2022-02-17 21:39:12 jonsykkel: tho i fail to see why u didnt just do smth greek like http://zzz.st/up/NeHlDMls/
04:57 verisimilitude I didn't review my words so carefully. I loathe parsing.
04:58 verisimilitude Still, I turned the same tables into the inverse translator, say.
04:59 verisimilitude This style of programming is particularly good at handling edge cases; compare it favorably to Common Lisp's EQL methods.
04:59 verisimilitude Also, my program minimizes the total computation: there are divisions by one hundred and ten, and a modulo by fifty.
05:00 verisimilitude The next program I write in this style will have less odd choices, simply because the problem resists them better.
05:00 verisimilitude Note that's less odd and not fewer odd.
~ 1 hours 22 minutes ~
06:23 jonsykkel clear http://zzz.st/up/YGIBb4rh
↖
06:23 jonsykkel dificult to compare minimalness of computation wihtout low levle inplemenation
↖
06:24 jonsykkel parsing indeed sux which is why in future when i have my own planet there will be auto enforced death penalty for breaking rule that data shud stay in machine format until displayed to user
↖
~ 2 hours 24 minutes ~
08:48 crtdaydreams What is a dulap?
~ 6 hours 35 minutes ~
15:24 whaack crtdaydreams: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-02-18#1079797 don't make this a self fulfilling prophecy
15:24 dulapbot Logged on 2022-02-18 05:25:54 crtdaydreams: Just another fucking cancer in this hellhole that will ultimately contribute nothing.
~ 19 minutes ~
15:43 whaack crtdaydreams: i believe dulap was the original name of the box hosting s.nsa 's phuctor, and it later became the name of a machine with certain specs, but asciilifeform can elaborate
↖
15:44 whaack asciilifeform: btw http://phuctor.com/ will phuctor actually return?
↖
15:46 whaack crtdaydreams: regarding 'ultimately contribute nothing' .. why don't you start a blog or a project?
↖
15:53 whaack http://btcbase.org/patches <-- phf are you around? this is a great tool. i think that updating this site shoul be made automatic. there should be a way to submit a vpatch , and if it has a sig from the host's l1, then the vpatch is automatically submitted and the version graph is automatically updated
↖
~ 18 minutes ~
16:12 asciilifeform whaack: i asked him repeatedly to give it a patch hopper, for yrs. then went to try to make clone but never finished.
16:12 dulapbot Logged on 2019-11-17 17:13:05 asciilifeform: shinohai: i have plan to bake the item i unsuccessfully tried for 2y to milk outta phf -- hopper where my l1 can drop signatures for patches and have'em eaten. but prolly not happening until after new year, currently hands full (setting up rack people)
16:12 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-02-19#1079988 << if asciilifeform lives long enuff to have time to return it, will return
16:12 dulapbot Logged on 2022-02-19 10:44:11 whaack: asciilifeform: btw http://phuctor.com/ will phuctor actually return?
16:13 * asciilifeform atm 90-100+ h of commercial liquishit on typical wk
↖
16:16 asciilifeform !q seen phf
16:16 dulapbot phf last seen here on 2019-09-19 08:18:38: asciilifeform: yeah, some task i left running resulted in a heap exhaustion
16:17 asciilifeform iirc he was lurking for a while last yr, and in fact tipped asciilifeform off re mp. updated the patches once iirc. but no word since.
↖
16:18 asciilifeform a working patch viewer would be a+++ handy. good n00b project, too. but so far all we have is the zombie of the old one.
16:19 * asciilifeform loox at cement testbed : 302+k
16:20 asciilifeform ... no stalls thus far, tho verifications at this height take 1-3s. ea.
16:21 whaack asciilifeform: 90-100 hours of saltmines? holy god
16:22 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-02-19#1079987 << in ro, 'dulap' is a wardrobe or cabinet. but featured in a mpism where referred to a cock-mangling machine. at one time mp supplied asciilifeform with hostings, there was a dulap-I, dulap-II, dulap-III was at piz
16:22 dulapbot Logged on 2022-02-19 10:43:30 whaack: crtdaydreams: i believe dulap was the original name of the box hosting s.nsa 's phuctor, and it later became the name of a machine with certain specs, but asciilifeform can elaborate
16:25 asciilifeform $ticker btc usd
16:25 busybot Current BTC price in USD: $40286.49
16:25 asciilifeform !w poll
16:25 watchglass Polling 14 nodes...
16:25 watchglass 54.39.156.171:8333 : (ns562940.ip-54-39-156.net) Alive: (0.111s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=724054
16:25 watchglass 205.134.172.4:8333 : (172-4.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.143s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=724054
16:25 watchglass 205.134.172.6:8333 : (172-6.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.214s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=724054
16:25 watchglass 208.94.240.42:8333 : Alive: (0.143s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=724054
16:25 watchglass 54.38.94.63:8333 : (ns3140226.ip-54-38-94.eu) Alive: (0.198s) V=88888 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.8.88.88/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=724054
16:25 watchglass 94.176.238.102:8333 : (2ppf.s.time4vps.cloud) Alive: (0.256s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=723044
16:25 watchglass 82.79.58.192:8333 : (static-82-79-58-192.rdsnet.ro) Alive: (0.390s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=724054
16:25 watchglass 103.36.92.112:8333 : (terebe.ns01.net) Alive: (0.595s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=724053
16:25 watchglass 205.134.172.27:8333 : Alive: (0.060s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=724054 (Operator: asciilifeform)
16:25 watchglass 71.191.220.241:8333 : (pool-71-191-220-241.washdc.fios.verizon.net) Alive: (0.885s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=724054 (Operator: asciilifeform)
16:25 watchglass 205.134.172.28:8333 : Alive: (0.370s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=724054 (Operator: whaack)
16:25 watchglass 75.106.222.93:8333 : Violated BTC Protocol: Bad header length!
16:26 watchglass 205.134.172.26:8333 : Busy? (No answer in 100 sec.)
16:26 watchglass 143.202.160.10:8333 : Busy? (No answer in 100 sec.)
16:34 whaack !e view-height
16:34 trbexplorer block_height: 724055
16:34 trbexplorer mins_since_last_block: 6
16:41 thimbronion http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-02-19#1079995 << hopefully you are paid by the hour at $200 or more or are getting equity
16:41 dulapbot Logged on 2022-02-19 11:12:57 asciilifeform: atm 90-100+ h of commercial liquishit on typical wk
16:43 cgra asciilifeform, just gave this a try: first 125232 blocks took 53 minutes to sync with the old non-cement sync (before entirely stopped syncing, stuck now for 4h). how fast were your first 125k blocks?
~ 41 minutes ~
17:24 asciilifeform thimbronion: no equity, paid in ordinary dough, and not by hr, lol
↖
17:28 asciilifeform cgra: imho difficult to compare, knowing nuffin about your box. iirc 1st 125k took ~2h in this test (but note that asciilifeform did not attempt to time precisely)
17:28 asciilifeform important to note that cement does not give faster verification, only abolishes (near as i can tell , in fact does) the 'stuck' intervals (while in cement, naturally)
17:30 asciilifeform thimbronion: it aint all for 1 client, the salt mines, iirc did mention this in the past
17:33 asciilifeform cgra: possibly might be useful to add a running avg. 'time waiting for block'. and test in parallel on 2 identical boxen, 1 w/ cement, 1 w/out
17:34 * asciilifeform sadly dun have 2 identical boxen handy to try this on
17:35 cgra asciilifeform: iirc you said ryzen, so perhaps close enuff to my i7-9900k. was only looking for whether any apparent difference between cement-block-by-block and old-sync-in-block-bursts. somewhat related to the q whether any use to have overlap between verification and download of next
17:36 * asciilifeform thus far satisfied that 'cement' behaves logically correctly (i.e. 'makecement' in fact emits the longest chain, 'loadcement' in fact loads, 'unloadcement' -- unloads, and noad w/ cement loaded does not get 'wedged' for any appreciable length of time.) but defo worth extensive test by other folx.
17:36 asciilifeform cgra: on a very slow pipe, could be of use, in principle.
17:37 asciilifeform but even on a measely 100m/s pipe on ea. side, , 1e6byte block downloads in, what, 80msec.
17:37 asciilifeform i.e. dwarfed by verification time.
17:39 asciilifeform if one were in a suicidal hurry, and ate the blox w/out verification, on 1g/s pipe would sync from 0 to currentheight in 3-4h.
17:40 * asciilifeform did not offer this in the patch, and has no plan to, but worth to mention.
17:41 cgra asciilifeform: with these first, miniscule blocks, that 50% diff of ours could be due to cement doing getdata-block exchange for every block, where the old sync runs in multi-MB bulks per each ask-inv-getdata-blocks exchange
17:42 asciilifeform cgra: entirely possib
17:42 cgra was kinda interested to see that effect
17:42 asciilifeform cement, as proposed, does indeed do 1 at a time.
17:43 asciilifeform 1 upside of this is that it doesn't bring the peer to its knees in so doing
17:43 asciilifeform (unlike if were asking for hundreds in 1 getdata)
17:43 asciilifeform the peer has a chance to do sumthing else b/w requests
17:54 asciilifeform cgra: was thinking, a 'smarter' cement that only issues asks if some interval of 'wait for block' is exceeded (but still of course runs cement.verify) might be a win
17:54 asciilifeform tricky bit is that it might end up waiting that entire interval for 1000s of blox in a stretch.
17:55 asciilifeform (for each)
17:56 * asciilifeform suspects this aint worth it simply to cut 1-2hrs off the 1st 100k blox
17:57 asciilifeform most of the chain at this pt does not consist of 'empty balloons' where the requesting handshake outweighs the rest of it
17:59 * asciilifeform considered to store sizes of blocks in cement, in addition to height/hash, decided against
18:01 asciilifeform hypothetically would give a bit of additional collision-resistance tho. and let you strategically ask for n blox to add up to b bytes in 1 getdata
18:02 whaack is the cpu the limiting factor when waiting on verification time?
18:02 asciilifeform whaack: disk i/o
18:02 asciilifeform whaack: see also
18:02 dulapbot Logged on 2022-02-17 11:33:23 asciilifeform: note, btw, that in the earlier linked ml experiment, asciilifeform demonstrated that most of block verification cost is in the idjit slowmo db
18:03 asciilifeform whaack: at one time, asciilifeform laboured under the misconception that it was the ecdsa numerics. it wasn;t
18:03 whaack asciilifeform: ah ok, good to know
18:04 asciilifeform whaack: see the various 'blackhole' posts by asciilifeform on ml. pretty straightforward imho.
18:05 asciilifeform e.g.
18:07 asciilifeform virtually all of verification time is spent in bdb.
18:09 * asciilifeform arrived at the obvious pill as a result of above experiments.
18:11 asciilifeform the pill of course aint cement (which is imho necessary but not sufficient) but o(1) db. cement simply removes the time burned on 1) verifying blox which you already know 'aint it' 2) 'waiting with open mouth'
18:13 whaack asciilifeform: but do you see overhauling bdb as a realistic option? what if forks-from-old-trb?
18:13 * asciilifeform for many yrs hesitated to bake 'cement', it is arguably a 'mouth to mouth resuscitation' kludge
↖ ↖
18:14 asciilifeform whaack: at this pt i'm satisfied that there aint a reliance on peculiarities of bdb in the actual logic.
18:15 asciilifeform whaack: 'fixing' bdb is imho outta the question tho, one needs a dedicated item w/ o(1) retrieval of arbitrary blox/tx
18:16 asciilifeform will emphasize tho that we're talking about a man-yr, at least, of sweat, that nobody has atm any compelling reason to do.
18:17 asciilifeform classical trb 'verifies quickly enuff' to keep up w/ new blox in realtime. principal headache is during init sync and 'catchup'.
18:18 whaack i guess it's centered on the idea of making sure at no point in the future is history lost
18:18 asciilifeform aha.
18:18 asciilifeform also note that gluing sane coad to trb is epically painful.
18:18 dulapbot Logged on 2020-05-03 17:37:59 asciilifeform: trinque: i've been sawing at the 'get rid of bdb, have o(1) indexer in ada instead' thing for 2y+ nao, on&off. principal headache is the obscene impedance mismatch b/w the cpp liquishit and anyffin sane. the 'glue' threatens to be 10x larger than the original coad.
18:18 whaack or at least delaying that fate as long as possible
18:18 asciilifeform arguably is easier to rewrite whole thing than to 'glue on nqb db'
18:19 asciilifeform (emphasis on 'easier', not 'easy')
18:19 whaack what is nqb stand for?
18:21 asciilifeform 'not quite bitcoin', asciilifeform's demo of adaistic ab-initio mechanisms for hypothetical replacement of trb
↖
18:21 whaack ah ok
18:22 shinohai iirc "core" folx moving from bdb to sqlite now.
18:23 asciilifeform lol!
18:23 asciilifeform i suppose 'worx great' if you dun actually verify ~anyffin
18:23 * asciilifeform noticed that many prb-type noades dun even answer requests for arbitrary blox
18:23 * asciilifeform not studied systematically tho
18:24 asciilifeform whaack: there's no particular reason 'history must be lost' at any pt, ever -- a century of bitcoin easily fits in a 4tb hdd.
18:24 shinohai https://achow101.com/2020/10/0.21-wallets <<< the core camp's reasoning behind the switch
18:25 asciilifeform shinohai: seems to be about wallet.dat tho, rather than the chain
18:26 * asciilifeform has nfi what they currently use for the chain, has not kept up w/ prbism in quite a while
18:37 shinohai Excel spreadsheet compatibility, wen?
18:51 thimbronion http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-02-19#1080029 << You can take the russian out of the шара́шка, etc.
18:51 dulapbot Logged on 2022-02-19 12:24:31 asciilifeform: thimbronion: no equity, paid in ordinary dough, and not by hr, lol
18:55 thimbronion signpost: plz to repoast recommended luby readings. I am getting to the point where I have time to research this and consider it in the context of pest/blatta.
↖
19:00 asciilifeform thimbronion: at least they're take-home sharashkas, lol
19:01 thimbronion asciilifeform: no wonder you have no fear of being put in prison - would significantly improve your living standard lol!
19:02 asciilifeform thimbronion: old piece re luby, iirc linked prior
19:02 thimbronion asciilifeform: ty^
19:03 asciilifeform thimbronion: 'кто не был -- тот будет'(tm)(r)
19:04 asciilifeform thimbronion: the piece signpost was working through was not about classical luby tho, but a theoretically moar optimal algo iirc
19:05 thimbronion asciilifeform: I saw some references to something called "raptor"
19:05 asciilifeform aha
19:05 thimbronion There is some $90 turd on amazon re: this
19:06 asciilifeform there's at least half dozen published schemes for 'break n byte turd into j k-byte chunks, jk > n, and l, l < j, of which can be processed in arbitrary order'
19:06 asciilifeform each has own wins/losses
19:07 asciilifeform some give you guaranteed convergence with smaller # of chunks received; some -- conserve bw moar; some -- eat less cpu; etc
19:08 * asciilifeform partial to orig. luby, it is by all appearances the simplest, mechanically, and adequate
19:08 asciilifeform in pestronic context, it'd be obvious fit for file transfer over pest
19:09 asciilifeform given as packets arrive in ~arbitrary order, and multiple peers may have $file to offer
19:11 asciilifeform thimbronion: i rec against collecting costly academiturd deadtrees re subj, asciilifeform did so re ffa and filled entire bookcase and all of it was 100% distraction
19:11 asciilifeform the authors aint out to actually share a useful algo.
19:11 cgra http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-02-19#1080068 << it's useful/necessary to prevent early-chain spam-alts innit? or why hesitated?
19:11 dulapbot Logged on 2022-02-19 13:13:47 asciilifeform: for many yrs hesitated to bake 'cement', it is arguably a 'mouth to mouth resuscitation' kludge
19:12 asciilifeform cgra: it's potentially a heavy calibre weapon for n00b to spectacularly shoot himself in the foot with. ( malicious cement can be constructed to send you into a custom parallel universe )
19:14 cgra right... though is it any different from noob having to pick a client software?
19:14 asciilifeform cgra: arguably very similar. hence asciilifeform concluded ' we publish a client src, may as well publish cement '
19:15 cgra right
19:15 asciilifeform for that matter there's a primitive proto-cement in classical trb already.
19:15 asciilifeform simply a rather useless one
19:16 cgra yea, other alternative, and clearly worse
19:17 asciilifeform the checkpoints thing imho oughta be either updated, or removed.
19:18 cgra asciilifeform: if cement stays, prolly removed?
19:18 asciilifeform well atm checkpoints give at least elementary defense to newly-built noades against early/easy-block forgery
19:19 asciilifeform but if errybody uses cement, then entirely redundant.
19:19 cgra asciilifeform: perhaps cement ought to replace it more explicitly
19:19 asciilifeform tho, arguably, ~not~ entirely, cement as presently offered in asciilifeform's patch does nothing re verification of blox already on disk
19:21 asciilifeform would be trivial to implement a 'verifycement' which actually GetHash()'s erry block in db (rather than walking headers as current 'makecement' does) , in fact this was how asciilifeform's orig. 'makesnap' worked. simply, takes hour+ on typical box, at current height, during which it will do absolutely nuffin else (and fall behind)
19:24 asciilifeform not that one would insist on doing this all that often.
19:28 asciilifeform the other interesting possibility is that if you were to store hardcoded cement for e.g. erry 100th block through e.g. 723000, this'll add only ~200kB to the memory footprint.
19:28 asciilifeform and may well suffice for zero-stall sync.
19:30 asciilifeform optimally, you'd preferentially cement the early blox (a la current checkpoints) to a point, and after that the 'heaviest'
19:30 asciilifeform imho this'd be an even uglier kludge than the current thing tho, from a basic principles pov.
19:35 asciilifeform cementism is a fundamentally unprincipled departure from basic premise of trb, where 'mechanism is offered whatever liquishit by whole planet, but will find longest chain per simple rules'
19:36 asciilifeform hence asciilifeform's pov re subj
19:36 dulapbot Logged on 2022-02-19 13:13:47 asciilifeform: for many yrs hesitated to bake 'cement', it is arguably a 'mouth to mouth resuscitation' kludge
19:36 asciilifeform it aint far removed from the traditional practice of simply copying db from 1 hdd to anuther
19:37 asciilifeform virtually erry trb noad operator w/ >1 noad has done this at some pt, asciilifeform suspects. but is fundamentally sinful.
19:38 asciilifeform ... otoh having to wait ~year for newly built noad to sync is obscene.
19:39 asciilifeform but asciilifeform would rather leave the decision of 'cement or not' to indiv. operator, rather than try to make it hardcoded piece of trb.
↖
19:40 asciilifeform hence the offered scheme, where you get a pgp-signed cement file, from someone you trust, preferably ~yourself~ on anuther box, verify sig, ~then~ load it, etc
19:42 asciilifeform baking, sending, loading, ~20MB cement , is much faster than copying a 400GB+ db; and you dun need to shut down the donor noad to do it
~ 1 hours 14 minutes ~
20:56 signpost http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-02-19#1080095 << https://archive.is/jAKtO https://archive.is/f92nn here ya go
20:56 dulapbot Logged on 2022-02-19 13:55:37 thimbronion: signpost: plz to repoast recommended luby readings. I am getting to the point where I have time to research this and consider it in the context of pest/blatta.
20:57 signpost I will post you my WIP python encoder/decoder, may be helpful.
20:58 signpost https://archive.is/rDju0 << presentation the d00ds gave on their papers
~ 42 minutes ~
21:40 signpost thimbronion: http://trinque.org/2022/02/19/online-codes-in-python-wip
21:41 signpost tests in there all pass, probably a good place to start when looking at it
21:41 scoopbot New article on trinque: Online Codes in Python (WIP)
~ 21 minutes ~
22:02 asciilifeform ohey neato
22:03 asciilifeform not even very heavy
22:03 asciilifeform signpost: how much didja end up baking from 0 and how much from junkyard ?
22:05 asciilifeform meanwhile in misc. blog lulz.
↖
22:05 signpost wrote all the py in vpatch myself from the paper
22:05 asciilifeform signpost: nifty
22:06 asciilifeform signpost: reason why thought to ask was the ipv6isms
22:06 * asciilifeform doesn't use ipv6 anywhere, but can only speak for self
22:07 signpost ah yeah, that test was some boilerplate for using the py3 asyncio thing
22:07 signpost didn't integrate it into the encoder. tests just encode and decode on numpy arrays
22:08 signpost er not test, listener.py
22:08 asciilifeform a
22:10 signpost also should point out I wrote it recursively, didn't fix that, just lazily increased stack
22:11 * signpost hopped to a sbcl implementation around that time, found displaced arrays mighty nice to work with.
22:13 asciilifeform upstack, hilariously, linked fella doesn't seem to know that we fixed static linking in gcc 7y+ ago. (and if pointed to e.g. 'rotor', or signpost's refined current variant, will prolly faint and fughet it happened)
22:13 dulapbot Logged on 2022-02-19 17:05:37 asciilifeform: meanwhile in misc. blog lulz.
22:14 * asciilifeform observed this pattern for many yrs -- 'complainer' will write lengthy and largely factual 'mainstream is broken' lament; but if shown how to 'save self' will balk, 'it doesn't fix the mainstream!111' etc
22:14 dulapbot Logged on 2022-01-18 13:34:50 asciilifeform: moar of the 'save yerself and others around you will be saved'(tm)(r) and 'the salvation of the drowning is work for the hands of the drowning'(tm)(r)(east church) school of thought
22:15 * asciilifeform observed this reaction in many, incl. in meatspace, to e.g. fossil gentoo
22:17 asciilifeform ... this is pestilentially endemic among usa folx; 'i dun wanna be a partizan, i wanna live in reich of 20/30/40y ago that was less retarded'
22:18 signpost yeah, this is written like "how to be a marginally 'better' manager at $megacorp by convincing yourself to ignore the blue-hairs" while one hand clutches his ulcers.
22:19 signpost fuck these guys; they're the only reason the megacorps haven't died yet, that the slaves spend more time rationalizing their station than abandoning it.
22:21 * asciilifeform occasionally reads these 'ulcer bloggers', who 'do you lift bro'(tm)(r)(c) etc., all rather similar in flavour
22:22 asciilifeform somehow the concept of 'build a defensible corner, however small, and 100% banish the vermin from it ' -- invariably lost on'em
22:23 * asciilifeform must bbl
22:24 signpost asciilifeform: cya!
22:26 thimbronion signpost: ty!
~ 35 minutes ~
23:01 crtdaydreams http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-02-19#1079989 << I had a blog, self hosted. Can't run it because interwebs shit to where I moved. I have multiple projects but suffer from the inability to finish any of them. Always been one to start projects though.
23:01 dulapbot Logged on 2022-02-19 10:46:51 whaack: crtdaydreams: regarding 'ultimately contribute nothing' .. why don't you start a blog or a project?
23:08 signpost thimbronion: yw
~ 37 minutes ~
23:46 signpost crtdaydreams: consider that if you cleared the space in your head reserved for reasons things can't be done, you'd have more room for doing them.
↖
23:48 signpost particularly this "suffer from the inability" construction is pernicious, self-hobbling bullshit your culture taught you.
23:48 signpost feels good to chuck such things out the window.
← 2022-02-18 | 2022-02-20 → ↑

Random(asciilifeform) | Download hourly DB snapshot | Get Source Code

Theme: Light | Dark | System Default