00:19 |
billymg |
manual scoopbot: http://billymg.com/2022/01/adding-postgres-auto-reconnect-to-the-log-bot/ |
00:32 |
asciilifeform |
billymg: very nifty! i'ma backport this to my logotron when i get a chance |
00:32 |
asciilifeform |
(tho to date not choked in this particular way -- wouldn't hurt to have the belt'n'suspenders) |
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00:55 |
verisimilitude |
Doesn't asciilifeform have a Lisp Machine? |
00:55 |
verisimilitude |
Why not build the program in Genera? |
00:58 |
verisimilitude |
Alternatively, I see no reason why this program couldn't use the emulated terminal, which at least works decently. Mine ACUTE-TERMINAL-CONTROL has the necessary functionality in its READ-EVENT function. |
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00:59 |
asciilifeform |
verisimilitude: i've only 1 such machine, and for all i know at any given time it's on its final hour |
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00:59 |
asciilifeform |
verisimilitude: purchased it for reversing, not daily use |
00:59 |
verisimilitude |
That's horrible. Sell it to me. |
01:00 |
billymg |
asciilifeform: awesome, yeah, i figured it might be useful to others as well, just as a failsafe. i'll keep an eye on it to make sure it doesn't fail in any strange ways and then publish as an actual signed vpatch |
01:00 |
asciilifeform |
verisimilitude: not intending to sell until i've a 100% clone |
01:00 |
verisimilitude |
I've considered running the Genera emulator. |
01:00 |
asciilifeform |
verisimilitude: lemme know if you need a copy (iirc is relatively easy to find on www atm tho) |
01:01 |
asciilifeform |
verisimilitude: if you want actual machine, write to dks, he might have 1 or 2 left |
01:01 |
verisimilitude |
The issue is I've been too lazy to try. Then again, I really should find the time at some point. |
01:01 |
verisimilitude |
He didn't answer my last email, but I could try again. |
01:01 |
asciilifeform |
verisimilitude: expect to pay 6-7k$ |
01:01 |
verisimilitude |
Hell, I no longer recall if I actually sent an email, actually. |
01:02 |
asciilifeform |
verisimilitude: doesn't hurt to check ebay periodically also (mine was from dks via ebay) |
01:02 |
verisimilitude |
Of course, the GNU/Linux underneath would still suck. |
01:02 |
verisimilitude |
On an emulator, that's. |
01:02 |
asciilifeform |
verisimilitude: not only, but emulator per se is a bit halfbaked, crashes with regularity |
01:02 |
verisimilitude |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-01-06#1071281 So what of this approach? |
01:02 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-01-06 19:50:35 verisimilitude: Alternatively, I see no reason why this program couldn't use the emulated terminal, which at least works decently. Mine ACUTE-TERMINAL-CONTROL has the necessary functionality in its READ-EVENT function. |
01:03 |
asciilifeform |
verisimilitude: elaborate (which emulated terminal?) |
01:04 |
* |
asciilifeform considered ansi-style terminal, but could not swallow the handicaps (can't handle single-leftclick for links; can't copypaste from it w/out sucking in hardlinebreaks) |
01:04 |
verisimilitude |
I refer to an ECMA-48 compatible terminal, such as xterm. |
01:04 |
asciilifeform |
right |
01:04 |
asciilifeform |
see above then |
01:05 |
verisimilitude |
The first complaint isn't true. |
01:05 |
verisimilitude |
A single left mouse click can be detected. |
01:06 |
verisimilitude |
The text can be trivially made into a hyperlink, by simply redrawing the name with underlining enabled. |
01:06 |
asciilifeform |
possibly (not tried, simply observing that not seen a proggy which does to date) |
01:06 |
verisimilitude |
The CHIP-8 MMC has some mouse functionality. |
01:06 |
asciilifeform |
right, the colourization would work (as in e.g. 'midnight commander') |
01:06 |
asciilifeform |
dunno how you'd cure the cut'n'paste thing tho |
01:06 |
asciilifeform |
w/out it the proggy's ~useless |
01:07 |
verisimilitude |
That can be found here. |
01:07 |
asciilifeform |
mouse select + 'copy' must work exactly as in e.g. www browsers |
01:07 |
verisimilitude |
There's a protocol for this that could be implemented. |
01:07 |
verisimilitude |
I don't recall if it be with name. |
01:08 |
asciilifeform |
verisimilitude: if you recall, plox to post |
01:08 |
asciilifeform |
cuz to date i've not seen a term proggy from which can select e.g. page of text and then paste w/out linebreak pollution |
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01:09 |
asciilifeform |
middleclick select oughta work, as in www browser, and not merely kbd-triggered cut/copy |
01:09 |
verisimilitude |
I've spent far too much time learning about this garbage. |
01:09 |
asciilifeform |
afaik if yer mouse-selecting in a terminal, the default behaviour (which shits linebreaks into the payload) always triggers |
01:10 |
asciilifeform |
but if there's a pill against this which reqs 0 user behaviour modification, asciilifeform would like to hear about it |
01:10 |
verisimilitude |
As the UNIX-HATERS Handbook claims, the issues with terminals are fixed by replacing them with the much costlier issues of X11. |
01:10 |
verisimilitude |
I've found it. |
01:11 |
asciilifeform |
half-troo -- they aint actually fixed, xterm preserves most of the old headaches |
01:11 |
verisimilitude |
https://www.xfree86.org/current/ctlseqs.html#Bracketed%20Paste%20Mode |
01:12 |
asciilifeform |
verisimilitude: not clear that this solves copy-from-term, or for that matter pasting from somewhere other than the proggy itself (e.g. from www browser or emacs) |
01:13 |
verisimilitude |
Run the emulated terminal in Emacs, and configure it to avoid that side of the issue. |
01:14 |
verisimilitude |
This seems like a complete solution. |
01:14 |
asciilifeform |
verisimilitude: what part of ' asciilifeform doesn't want an emacs dependency in this ' is hard to understand ? |
01:14 |
verisimilitude |
Emacs would only be used to solve the copying issue. |
01:15 |
asciilifeform |
it's a 'hey have sumthing you explicitly tried to avoid' 'solution', nothx |
01:15 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-01-04 08:53:53 asciilifeform: to date this was the reaction of erryone asciilifeform described the thing to , in meatspace. 'what do you mean, you want a machine screw? have this here wood screw' |
01:15 |
verisimilitude |
Perhaps hacking the terminal itself would be a solution. |
01:15 |
verisimilitude |
The terminal could be configured to avoid this newline issue. |
01:15 |
asciilifeform |
so lol, now i also need a patched xterm just to use w/ 1 proggy ?? |
01:16 |
verisimilitude |
I was thinking a patched st. |
01:16 |
verisimilitude |
It's from the suckless idiots, but it's usable. |
01:16 |
asciilifeform |
what part of 'standalone proggy' hard to understand, lol |
01:16 |
verisimilitude |
At that point, just combine st with the program. |
01:17 |
verisimilitude |
Anyway, I'm only trying to help. |
01:17 |
asciilifeform |
yea but this 'have a wood screw' aint particularly useful for actually solving the stated problem |
01:17 |
asciilifeform |
ty tho. |
01:18 |
verisimilitude |
I wasn't trying to waste our time, but I suppose I've. |
01:18 |
asciilifeform |
what asciilifeform wants is full-fledged x11 proggy, where interface not distinguishable in any way, other than the 1 described, from adult text editor. e.g. has scroll bars, supports mouse wheel, mouse selection, unmutilated cut'n'paste, arbitrary (incl. var width) fonts, and 0 gigantic wads of legacy shitcoad. |
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01:19 |
asciilifeform |
(other than xorg per se, i suppose. but speaking of what gets ~linked~ into the proggy) |
01:19 |
verisimilitude |
I think I'd sooner kill myself than experience that slow and painful death. |
01:20 |
verisimilitude |
Yes, what an issue writing that would be. |
01:20 |
asciilifeform |
dun necessarily have to be slow&painful (to run), after all not includes emacs.. |
01:20 |
asciilifeform |
to write -- well asciilifeform not found an approach to writing it to date, and looked since '07 |
01:21 |
asciilifeform |
this is prolly the closest thing anyone will find to a workable pill, and it's still imho loathesome |
01:21 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-01-05 18:41:21 asciilifeform: when used w/ 1 of these, emacs simply listens on a socket and puts the letters where it is told to, sends keystrokes back to $process, etc |
01:22 |
verisimilitude |
Something I failed to include in this article was the ``Any colour, any shade, so long as it be this one.'' problem. |
01:23 |
verisimilitude |
So, I'm going to include this in a later article, but I think a better society would've by now punished these idiots for harming computing so badly, such as, say, by burying them to their necks in an ant mound. |
01:23 |
verisimilitude |
It's ridiculous to live in a society with such a useless priest class. |
01:23 |
asciilifeform |
verisimilitude: errything in the linked piece is imho 100% tru, but does fail to mention that often enuff (e.g. in the case of the proggy we were discussing earlier) the option to actually 100% escape from the cumulative pile of idiocy simply aint there |
01:24 |
asciilifeform |
i.e. you need a new arch, new os, new compiler, new graphics stack, new fucking planet |
01:24 |
verisimilitude |
It's there, only when a subset be possible. |
01:24 |
verisimilitude |
Graphics aren't included in this subset, of course. |
01:24 |
asciilifeform |
often enuff, all 'subset' gets you is an arse-nail chair. |
01:24 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-01-04 14:19:11 asciilifeform: is sorta rather like how i'd rather sit on a wooden crate than a plush chair with a nail permanently affixed to the arse pad |
01:25 |
verisimilitude |
I can use Common Lisp well enough, as an example, but Common Lisp can't do many things I'd like for it to be able to do. |
01:25 |
verisimilitude |
Perhaps APL is a better example. |
01:25 |
verisimilitude |
I can use APL for anything, except real work. |
01:26 |
asciilifeform |
why's that? (no ffi??) |
01:36 |
verisimilitude |
Well, I've never learned how to bring data into GNU APL, for one. |
01:36 |
verisimilitude |
It's also not very fast. |
01:36 |
verisimilitude |
Still, for exploring computation, it's pleasant. |
01:36 |
asciilifeform |
that's the thing with not being able to frictionlessly interface w/ other proggies. ends up with 'can't use for real work'(tm) |
01:37 |
asciilifeform |
enuff friction, and it may as well be on an ancient bolix box 1 blown capacitor away from valhalla |
01:40 |
asciilifeform |
sometimes curable w/ heroic work; for instance asciilifeform will be able to bake an ada pestron once he (or someone else) comes up w/ tcp and sqlite glue for same |
01:40 |
asciilifeform |
(the existing ones aint anywhere close to usable) |
01:41 |
asciilifeform |
( what'd this look like? see e.g. asciilifeform's udp and mmap glues. ) |
01:42 |
verisimilitude |
I'll eventually and slowly finish the libraries for my Pest in Ada. Neither TCP nor SQLite are necessary, from what I see. |
01:42 |
asciilifeform |
both are quite tricky to implement w/out heap allocation, will note |
01:42 |
asciilifeform |
verisimilitude: how do you propose to bake irc frontend w/out tcp ? |
01:42 |
verisimilitude |
I don't intend to is how. |
01:42 |
verisimilitude |
Mine will write messages to a file, and that's it. |
01:42 |
asciilifeform |
lemme guess, you want to bake own ansi terminal frontend? |
01:42 |
asciilifeform |
ugh |
01:43 |
* |
asciilifeform doesn't care how other folx bake pestron for own use, but not eager to personally make use of 1 built in style of 'edlin' |
01:43 |
verisimilitude |
The interface will be horrible, but the program simple. |
01:44 |
* |
asciilifeform finds even 'weechat' gnarly, for reason of impossibility of pasting from it anywhere w/out linebreaks pissed into output |
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01:44 |
asciilifeform |
it mangles incoming pastes, similarly |
01:44 |
verisimilitude |
I expect to have a Common Lisp program to translate the messages to HTML, as a public log, and I could access this through Emacs, with another buffer for writing messages. |
01:44 |
asciilifeform |
say you want to paste to/from a direct msg session tho |
01:45 |
verisimilitude |
I've already envisioned examining the conversation as a data structure in Common Lisp, by INSPECT. |
01:45 |
verisimilitude |
Yes, that will be quite inconvenient, in comparison. |
01:45 |
asciilifeform |
verisimilitude: if you 'live in emacs' seems simpler to bake an elisp thing for the frontend |
01:45 |
verisimilitude |
I'd need a special interface for that. |
01:45 |
verisimilitude |
I've also considered that. |
01:46 |
verisimilitude |
Still, Common Lisp is better. |
01:46 |
asciilifeform |
iirc several folx here irc through an emacsism |
01:46 |
verisimilitude |
I'm also using ERC. |
01:46 |
verisimilitude |
I just have a nohup emacs. |
01:46 |
asciilifeform |
see, that's what the irc frontend in pest gets you, can use existing irc clients incl. erc |
01:47 |
verisimilitude |
I don't like IRC. |
01:47 |
verisimilitude |
I use IRC, but I don't like it. |
01:47 |
verisimilitude |
Similarly, I shit, but I don't like it. |
01:47 |
asciilifeform |
is entirely tru that you can't e.g. thread in it (while pest protocol in fact supports threading) |
01:48 |
asciilifeform |
so until there's a dedicated client, there'll be no threading |
01:49 |
asciilifeform |
ditto displaying/entering msgs longer than 510 bytes minus length of nick+"/PRIVMSG " |
01:50 |
asciilifeform |
otoh picture if asciilifeform had not specified use of irc as wartime frontend. doubt we'd have thimbronion's draft, or any other, it'd be in same state as asciilifeform's hypertext thing |
01:51 |
asciilifeform |
'have you considered patched xterm' etc |
01:52 |
asciilifeform |
verisimilitude: i'm sitting in front of an entire box fulla 'i use , but dun like' fwiw |
01:52 |
asciilifeform |
describes literally entire contents of hdd. |
01:52 |
verisimilitude |
Yes. |
01:52 |
asciilifeform |
(customer:'this soup was terrible, i want refund' waiter:'but you ate entire bown' customer:'with spitting! i ate with spitting!') |
01:53 |
asciilifeform |
*bowl |
01:53 |
verisimilitude |
Part of why I don't write much, is I want perfection or nothing, and something that can't be ideal may not be worth trying. |
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01:53 |
asciilifeform |
fairnuff |
01:53 |
verisimilitude |
I suppose I be spewing hot air. |
01:53 |
asciilifeform |
well on e.g. asciilifeform's www there is a tag 'hot air' but also a 'cold air'. |
01:54 |
asciilifeform |
e.g. pest spec is 'cold air'. |
01:55 |
verisimilitude |
This can change. I don't look back on my terminal libraries very fondly, but they were nice for their time. |
01:55 |
verisimilitude |
I got terminal control in pure Common Lisp, at the least. |
01:56 |
asciilifeform |
often enuff can only choose b/w 'hot air' and 'nice for its time'. if you dun have the resources to rebake the machine. |
01:56 |
signpost |
life's meaningless, therefore use your time however you like. |
01:56 |
verisimilitude |
Right now, my favorite library is my doubly-linked list library. |
01:57 |
signpost |
I don't have verisimilitude's kinks, but I don't begrudge them |
01:58 |
asciilifeform |
wb signpost |
01:58 |
verisimilitude |
I want a program I can smile at, or nothing. |
01:58 |
signpost |
howdy asciilifeform |
01:59 |
signpost |
anyway doesn't seem such a waste to grunt out a bespoke UI for pest, since others with IRC frontend are already in motion |
01:59 |
asciilifeform |
indeed imho not at all a waste |
01:59 |
signpost |
the capacity for threading's super interesting; I look forward to pest-usenet |
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01:59 |
asciilifeform |
esp. if it's usable, or at least easily glued to sumthing usable hypothetically |
01:59 |
signpost |
would probably stop using the loathsome wordpress blog for that |
02:01 |
asciilifeform |
signpost: various heathen chatrons support threading; asciilifeform noticed early on that we get it 'for phree' simply by having the netchain thing |
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02:02 |
asciilifeform |
(afaik all irc clients sadly insist on displaying msg sequentially, tho) |
02:04 |
signpost |
yep, seems like it will be useful. |
02:05 |
* |
signpost meanwhile dusted off the v-linux project for a break from the fountain code item. |
02:05 |
signpost |
latter works in python but take more check-blocks than the paper states, can't see the error in my math yet. |
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02:05 |
signpost |
approx 2-3% moar than should, I think |
02:05 |
* |
signpost will get the thing posted for critique before long. |
02:06 |
signpost |
grunted the CL one forward a bit too. displaced arrays are mighty nice for slicing up an underlying buffer. |
02:07 |
signpost |
verisimilitude: "because I want it, fuck you" is perhaps every man's motivation, or not a man. |
02:08 |
asciilifeform |
signpost: indeed imho is common motivation of all folx 'worth the paper they're printed on'. the rest 'buy from corner store' and bake nuffin of interest |
02:09 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-01-06#1071433 << generating the oddball statistical distribution called for in the orig. paper is a bit tricky |
02:09 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-01-06 20:57:28 signpost: latter works in python but take more check-blocks than the paper states, can't see the error in my math yet. |
02:09 |
asciilifeform |
(and ftr asciilifeform not had chance to verify that it behaves as stated there) |
02:10 |
* |
asciilifeform speaking of luby's but iirc the moar recent encodings require similar mechanism |
02:11 |
* |
asciilifeform must bbl |
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02:27 |
verisimilitude |
I agree it's in the nature of a true man to create what he wants, signpost. |
02:39 |
signpost |
even wanting impossible things is fine; some of them end up possible later. |
02:45 |
verisimilitude |
I want many impossible things. |
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14:49 |
asciilifeform |
$ticker btc usd |
14:49 |
busybot |
Current BTC price in USD: $41785.47 |
14:49 |
asciilifeform |
!w poll |
14:49 |
watchglass |
Polling 14 nodes... |
14:49 |
watchglass |
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14:49 |
watchglass |
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14:49 |
watchglass |
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14:50 |
watchglass |
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14:50 |
watchglass |
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14:54 |
asciilifeform |
!w probe 71.191.220.241 8333 |
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watchglass |
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15:13 |
whaack |
morning asciilifeform, looks like cheap coins are getting cheaper |
15:14 |
whaack |
over time, i've found that i enjoy price swings in either direction |
15:14 |
thimbronion |
whaack: oddly same here |
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16:08 |
asciilifeform |
whaack: indeed, waterfall plentifully watered lately |
16:09 |
whaack |
anyone using mpwp have a good solution for spamola in comment box? for a while i was able to manually go through it but it seems i've been overrun by the bots |
16:10 |
asciilifeform |
whaack: asciilifeform's arithmetic puzzler 100% cured spamola |
16:10 |
asciilifeform |
whaack: would prolly work w/ mp's wp, it uses nuffin nonstandard. lemme know if want a copy. |
16:11 |
whaack |
right, i would use something like that, but i'm trying to see if someone has the exact place in the code where i need to put it |
16:16 |
asciilifeform |
whaack: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=pAi- << strictly unofficial copy. iirc dun require any manual changes to theme. |
16:16 |
asciilifeform |
whaack: modify per own tastes. |
16:20 |
asciilifeform |
whaack: it's a simplistic, to the point of laughter, puzzler, but since installed absolutely 0 spamola in mod queue. |
16:21 |
asciilifeform |
(evidently suffices to trip all known automated spamatrons, and effectively discourages meat-powered ones on top of this) |
16:23 |
asciilifeform |
whaack: lemme know if you get a chance to try it, whether worx |
16:24 |
asciilifeform |
interestingly, when had ~just~ the xor puzzler, w/out the fg thing, ~did~ see coupla spamturds. |
16:25 |
dpb |
whaack> anyone using mpwp have a good solution for spamola in comment box? for a while i was able to manually go through it but it seems i've been overrun by the bots << use css to make the email field invisible, and use php to auto discard any comment with an email address |
16:26 |
asciilifeform |
dpb: hm wouldn't that break the 'email addr as adhoc seekrit' thing, where comments from once-approved folx auto-post ? |
16:34 |
whaack |
asciilifeform: tyvm |
16:34 |
asciilifeform |
np |
16:36 |
whaack |
dpb: thanks for the suggestion as well, i share the same concern as asciilifeform |
16:37 |
asciilifeform |
in all fairness if you dun use the 'approve once, can then autopost' pheature, dpb's variant prolly does work against bots. but likely not against meat-powered 'philipinos' |
16:41 |
dpb |
yep, i don't get enough comments for it to matter, i approve everything manually, and i don't mind meatbots |
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17:03 |
whaack |
asciilifeform: added, change to be only a very simple math puzzle, will see how it fairs |
17:03 |
whaack |
changed* |
17:03 |
asciilifeform |
whaack: be sure to test it manually |
17:04 |
whaack |
asciilifeform: of course, and it worx |
17:04 |
asciilifeform |
a++ |
17:15 |
whaack |
http://ztkfg.com/2020/07/how-to-test-gbw-node-by-viewing-the-first-ever-transaction-containing-a-p2pkh-address/#comment-1092 <-- interesting clump of text obtained by a spambot algo |
17:23 |
asciilifeform |
whaack: prolly copypasta from random www |
17:24 |
asciilifeform |
btw whaack billymg or other wp aficionados -- if you know how to make the puzzler appear ~above~ the 'submit' button, plox to write in |
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17:24 |
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asciilifeform was not able to find a clean way to do it |
17:25 |
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signpost added similar cheap meat robot test, ended all low-effort spam |
17:25 |
asciilifeform |
worx surprisingly well |
17:25 |
signpost |
will be mighty nice to instead take comments from wot over pest, in threads. |
17:25 |
signpost |
the comment format in wp is loathsome. |
17:27 |
asciilifeform |
signpost: was thinking further re 'pest-usenet' -- possib. msgs oughta have a 'the next msg is to be seen as part of text of this one' bit flag |
17:27 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-01-06 20:51:40 signpost: the capacity for threading's super interesting; I look forward to pest-usenet |
17:27 |
signpost |
yeah, a continuation marker, was thinking about that too. |
17:27 |
signpost |
perhaps m of n type thing? |
17:28 |
signpost |
rather, index and count-of-whole |
17:28 |
asciilifeform |
imho not strictly necessary to give the N |
17:28 |
asciilifeform |
sadly this'll require biting off some from the 324 bytes currently allocd for paylod |
17:28 |
signpost |
suppose you're taking messages from peers all the time without ending, yeah |
17:28 |
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asciilifeform hates breaking protocol, but there's a reason it's '0xfc' atm |
17:28 |
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signpost applying the define-all-things-definable religion everywhere to see what sticks |
17:29 |
signpost |
imho there's great value in permitting long form sanely |
17:29 |
asciilifeform |
aha |
17:36 |
asciilifeform |
imho ideally in a dedicated (i.e. not irc frontend) pestron, operator could throw in whatever length msg he likes (within reason, if it's a GB may trip his wot's rate limiters, whatever these happen to be) |
17:37 |
asciilifeform |
the cutting into packets oughta be transparent to operators |
17:41 |
signpost |
indeed. and if for example I got a gb from asciilifeform, I'd assume it was important and gladly accept. |
17:42 |
signpost |
wot applies nicely here |
17:42 |
signpost |
"shit, the gasenwagen has arrived. here is my life's work, disperse as widely as possible" |
17:42 |
asciilifeform |
signpost: sure, but you might not want to always issue the getdata's for the whole GB immed. |
17:43 |
signpost |
also true |
17:43 |
asciilifeform |
really for large payloads lubyism & similar beats the shit outta sequential chunking |
17:43 |
asciilifeform |
(in the latter, a good % of packets received will be 'orphans', to use trb terminology) |
17:44 |
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signpost has thought about this as perhaps a message type to request a lubyistic transfer, which opens a side channel and blasts lubywads to peer |
17:45 |
asciilifeform |
right, would contain the final hash, title, possibly handful of 'right half / left half' hashes |
17:46 |
signpost |
(then atop this, one can build something where he asks his wot for $hash, and whomever has starts blasting lubywads until requester says stop or sender decides enough, at say (1+$lossRate)*$originalMessageLen or w/e) |
17:46 |
signpost |
can have a much better bittorrent on this without coordination |
17:46 |
asciilifeform |
closest ancient item asciilifeform used , to this, was ye olde 'emule' |
17:47 |
signpost |
yeah, I loved those days. |
17:47 |
asciilifeform |
(the 1 with kademlia baked in) |
17:47 |
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signpost brb, changing meat locations |
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19:57 |
mats |
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ruling-party-figures-say-poland-has-pegasus-spyware-2022-01-07 |
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20:35 |
billymg |
asciilifeform: in my theme was one line that had to be moved to put the arithmetic test above the submit button, dunno how different our themes are though |
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20:36 |
billymg |
in your theme do you have a comments.php file with a line that looks like `<?php do_action('comment_form', $post->ID); ?>`? |
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21:52 |
signpost |
seems scoopbot died. |
21:52 |
signpost |
http://trinque.org/2022/01/07/desensitization/ |
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22:33 |
PeterL |
billymg which one line do you move? |
22:40 |
billymg |
PeterL: in my theme that line, `<?php do_action('comment_form', $post->ID); ?>`, was the one that spit out the extra fields from asciilifeform's spam trap plugin. i just moved it where i wanted it and that was it |
22:41 |
signpost |
gregory5: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-10-01#1060442 << it turns out peterson is lately closer to nietzschean thought than I realized, though I don't know if he'd characterize it as such. |
22:41 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-10-01 13:08:40 gregory5: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-10-01#1060433 << Burke, Carlyle (and more recently, Dr Jordan Peterson) represent an |
22:42 |
signpost |
peterson's notion that perhaps imagining the greatest possible man and emulating him is beneficial regardless of the truth of the mythological man is directly lifted from nietzsche. |
22:42 |
signpost |
this was what the ubermensch was meant as, a projection of the superlative man before oneself towards which one strives. |
22:43 |
signpost |
imho peterson's taking the coward's way out in deeming that this must occur within traditional religion, but the style of mental operating system is timeless in either case. |
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23:12 |
signpost |
perhaps one could claim that the religious rendering protects against any particular mortal claiming they are the embodiment of the ideal, but in practice that doesn't appear to have stopped anyone. |
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23:17 |
PeterL |
asciilifeform: so I thought the math challenge would just show up on comments, but it shows up on my admin login too, I guess that is an extra bit of security |
23:18 |
scoopbot |
New post on Blog of Peter Lambert: From the Spam Trap |
23:20 |
whaack |
PeterL: i think you have a rather selfish scoopbot :p |
23:20 |
PeterL |
I just restarted it a minute ago ! |
23:21 |
whaack |
i guess the bug is that this channel writes articles with such infrequency that scoopbot goes down without anyone knowing |
23:22 |
PeterL |
from its log it looked like it was up until at least the 2nd, then mysteriously hung |
23:24 |
signpost |
got timeouts on your sockets and all that? |
23:25 |
PeterL |
it was saying something about "WARNING Receive socket closed, disconnecting." and then was trying to reconnect over and over again for a while |
23:27 |
PeterL |
but turning it off and back on again seems to have worked, the classic comp-sci way to fix everything |
23:37 |
PeterL |
Если не ты управляешь своим временем, то твоим временем управляет |
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23:37 |
PeterL |
кто-то другой. Сергей Коротков |
23:37 |
PeterL |
I'm even getting spam in russian! |
23:37 |
PeterL |
what does it say? |