#asciilifeform | 2022-01-04

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asciilifeform lost count of just how many kludges he tried -- e.g. one where a hypertext 'editing box' (in various gui kits) is kept around in 2 instances, 1 in 'links clickable' mode and other where not, and 'unhidden' appropriately. flickering garbage & malformed reflow in all cases.

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asciilifeform even tried patching 'qt' to support sanity. drowned in liquishit.

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00:00	*	asciilifeform lost count of just how many kludges he tried -- e.g. one where a hypertext 'editing box' (in various gui kits) is kept around in 2 instances, 1 in 'links clickable' mode and other where not, and 'unhidden' appropriately. flickering garbage & malformed reflow in all cases.
00:01	*	asciilifeform even tried patching 'qt' to support sanity. drowned in liquishit.
00:02	asciilifeform	not that it'd even build today if i'd in fact succeeded in this patching 10y+ ago..
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00:50	signpost	yep, I think anyone effective has a harsh approximation of this personal database kicking around.
00:50	*	signpost has started and stopped using org mode many times, for example.
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03:21	asciilifeform	signpost: metoo
03:32	asciilifeform	meanwhile in misc. heathenmail.
03:36	asciilifeform	signpost: errybody can stand up a db. the described item is imho the Right Thing in re: a db that can be operated in 'flow state' with minimal friction.
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03:36	asciilifeform	or, at any rate, asciilifeform finds all current attempts direly inadequate specifically on acct of not conforming to the described interface above.
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09:52	d4	http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-12-31#1070705 then you should take a look at this nice FAQ about plotting into terminal and this thread about plotting internals of your programs. TL;DR: some terminals can render svg; dumping program state and serializing to
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09:52	dulapbot	Logged on 2021-12-31 03:21:37 verisimilitude: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-12-28#1069960 I'll be investigating this soon.
09:52	d4	dot (graphviz) is useful.
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11:58	cgra	http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-07-03#1015789 << in recent eclipse versions (the java-land behemoth, likely much like intellij idea and netbeans etc) a "live semantic edit" is a thing (no idea how generic tho), as is the usual code-completion. also would guess link navigation is not a
11:58	dulapbot	Logged on 2020-07-03 19:26:00 asciilifeform: i.e. could write the proggy, but turned out 100% impossible to make the editor behave as specified, with e.g. links being clickable ~while text box is editable~ (no modality liquishit pleez) , with completor/selector box, etc
11:58	dulapbot	Logged on 2021-11-05 14:43:54 signpost: I also use the shit out of intellij on dumpster-puters.
11:58	cgra	problem, given jumping to function and variable declarations is another eclipse standard item
11:58	cgra	http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-01-03#1070901 << though, the handful of times i dipped my toe in the java swing gui poop pond, this sounds like it should induce similar reaction (not 100% sure though, whether a swing creation or smth else)
11:58	dulapbot	Logged on 2022-01-03 18:10:29 asciilifeform: thinks about mcclim, gets just shorta physically ill recalling the ui kit
11:59	cgra	asciilifeform: find it perhaps worth a deeper dig?
12:03	cgra	the eclipse youtube links i dug are some random items i didn't even listen to. prolly just fughetabout the whatever rest in them, except for the visual action on exact linked video position
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12:25	cgra	one q that comes to my mind is how may such eclipse contraptions be mixed with rich text and graphics. though did asciilifeform find a bare plaintext item worth existing?
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13:44	asciilifeform	cgra: asciilifeform did hard time in a java salt mine, has used both eclipse and intellij, but doesn't see what they have to do with the described item. coad completion per se worx even in my emacs (via 'auto-complete' and 'popup').
13:45	asciilifeform	cgra: that aint the hard part. the hard (and seemingly impossible part) is permitting ~clickable~ links in edit box ~while it is editable~, none of the existing gui kits for x11 seem to support it.
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13:46	asciilifeform	concretely, ~directly left-clickable~
13:46	asciilifeform	no modality, no rightclickism
13:47	asciilifeform	neither wx, nor qt, nor gtk, permit any such thing, and asciilifeform's many attempts to kludge it into existence led nowhere.
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13:48	asciilifeform	it ~may~ be implementable in a proggy which contains a complete font rendering stack of its own (e.g. emacs) but asciilifeform specifically does not want it in emacs or in www browser
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13:48	dulapbot	Logged on 2020-07-03 19:27:09 asciilifeform: apparently such proggy can only be written if write 100% of graphics stack (incl. font renderer) from 0. as in e.g. emacs (before anyone asks, i ~specifically~ did not and still do not want this kinda thing as elisp progggy -- it'll 100% guaranteed choke on 200MB+ of indexable db.. )
13:48	dulapbot	Logged on 2022-01-03 18:46:57 asciilifeform: also ftr NOT interested in any 'solution' which involves a www browser or sawed-off components thereof, in any way.