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asciilifeform |
$ticker btc usd |
00:20 |
busybot |
Current BTC price in USD: $47167.86 |
00:20 |
asciilifeform |
!w poll |
00:20 |
watchglass |
Polling 14 nodes... |
00:20 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.6:8333 : (172-6.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.029s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=716930 |
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71.191.220.241:8333 : (pool-71-191-220-241.washdc.fios.verizon.net) Alive: (0.057s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=716930 (Operator: asciilifeform) |
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205.134.172.26:8333 : Alive: (0.110s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=716930 |
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watchglass |
54.39.156.171:8333 : (ns562940.ip-54-39-156.net) Alive: (0.172s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=716930 |
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208.94.240.42:8333 : Alive: (0.154s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=716930 |
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54.38.94.63:8333 : (ns3140226.ip-54-38-94.eu) Alive: (0.210s) V=88888 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.8.88.88/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=716930 |
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82.79.58.192:8333 : (static-82-79-58-192.rdsnet.ro) Alive: (0.354s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=716454 |
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205.134.172.28:8333 : Alive: (0.903s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=716929 (Operator: whaack) |
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205.134.172.4:8333 : (172-4.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.844s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=716930 |
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94.176.238.102:8333 : (2ppf.s.time4vps.cloud) Alive: (0.081s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=716460 |
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75.106.222.93:8333 : Alive: (0.705s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=716928 |
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143.202.160.10:8333 : Alive: (0.614s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=716930 |
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205.134.172.27:8333 : Alive: (0.715s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=716930 (Operator: asciilifeform) |
00:21 |
watchglass |
103.36.92.112:8333 : (terebe.ns01.net) Alive: (0.291s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=716929 |
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04:36 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-12-31#1070676 << imho using a www service for this kinda thing is a vendor lock-in timebomb. asciilifeform wouldn't, even if it worx a++ great. |
04:36 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-12-31 02:24:41 mats: get one if you can afford it, i highly recommend it. it has full text search and archives, and i've a few thousand bookmarks from the last decade or so |
04:37 |
asciilifeform |
( anyone recall fate of 'delicious' ?) |
04:37 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-12-31#1070688 << you can do that with 100% cmdline tools. (or even, if you must, emails to self..) |
04:37 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-12-31 02:31:36 mats: being able to do a keyword search of everything i've read is what i imagine its like to be a rainman |
04:38 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-12-31#1070697 << i recall these, and thinking 'is this the slowest www known to man?' |
04:38 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-12-31 03:17:02 verisimilitude: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-12-28#1069886 I've used whitequark's IRC logs before. I wasn't aware he was some anime tranny by now; what a shame. |
04:39 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-12-31#1070703 << asciilifeform baked the ffa diagrams by hand, similarly (plain html!) but was quite arduous and rather limited in the possibilities (can't draw e.g. examples of pest topologies this way) |
04:39 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-12-31 03:20:38 verisimilitude: I currently write the SVGs on my website by-hand. |
04:40 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-12-31#1070708 << if he'd bitten it from vodka (as was asciilifeform's orig. expectation) or old age, would read differently ? |
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04:40 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-12-31 03:25:04 verisimilitude: I read a Trilema article lately, discussing the USG. It doesn't read with its intended impact now that Neptune killed Mircea. |
04:47 |
asciilifeform |
oblig lul |
04:47 |
dulapbot |
(trilema) 2016-04-08 asciilifeform: wife says to drunken husband, 'every night you drink, drink, you never bring money home, you worthless piece of shit, go visit the cemetary - see how many gravestones say 'died of vodka.'..' |
04:47 |
dulapbot |
(trilema) 2016-04-08 asciilifeform: husband goes off, actually goes to count. |
04:47 |
dulapbot |
(trilema) 2016-04-08 asciilifeform: comes back, says, |
04:47 |
dulapbot |
(trilema) 2016-04-08 asciilifeform: 'i counted, read the cards on the wreaths. said things like, 'from wife', 'from son', 'from mother-in-law' - but none said 'from vodka.' nobody died from vodka.' |
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~ 10 hours 10 minutes ~ |
14:58 |
billymg |
asciilifeform: thanks! and yes, i'm going to try to post more |
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~ 32 minutes ~ |
15:30 |
asciilifeform |
a++ |
15:30 |
asciilifeform |
$ticker btc usd |
15:30 |
busybot |
Current BTC price in USD: $46879.38 |
15:30 |
asciilifeform |
!w poll |
15:30 |
watchglass |
Polling 14 nodes... |
15:30 |
watchglass |
54.39.156.171:8333 : (ns562940.ip-54-39-156.net) Alive: (0.050s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=717024 |
15:30 |
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205.134.172.6:8333 : (172-6.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.134s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=717024 |
15:30 |
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205.134.172.4:8333 : (172-4.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.082s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=717024 |
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205.134.172.27:8333 : Alive: (0.144s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=717024 (Operator: asciilifeform) |
15:30 |
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208.94.240.42:8333 : Alive: (0.123s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=717024 |
15:30 |
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205.134.172.26:8333 : Alive: (0.142s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=717024 |
15:30 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.28:8333 : Alive: (0.138s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=717024 (Operator: whaack) |
15:30 |
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143.202.160.10:8333 : Alive: (0.206s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=717024 |
15:30 |
watchglass |
54.38.94.63:8333 : (ns3140226.ip-54-38-94.eu) Alive: (0.284s) V=88888 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.8.88.88/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=717024 |
15:31 |
watchglass |
82.79.58.192:8333 : (static-82-79-58-192.rdsnet.ro) Alive: (0.333s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=716803 |
15:31 |
watchglass |
94.176.238.102:8333 : (2ppf.s.time4vps.cloud) Alive: (0.361s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=716803 |
15:31 |
watchglass |
71.191.220.241:8333 : (pool-71-191-220-241.washdc.fios.verizon.net) Alive: (0.706s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=717024 (Operator: asciilifeform) |
15:31 |
watchglass |
103.36.92.112:8333 : (terebe.ns01.net) Alive: (0.532s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=717024 |
15:31 |
watchglass |
75.106.222.93:8333 : Alive: (0.363s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=717024 |
15:32 |
mats |
asciilifeform: incidentally, the operator of pinboard ended up the final owner of delicious |
15:32 |
asciilifeform |
mats: did it swallow the old db and offer to subscribers of the new thing? |
15:32 |
mats |
i think so |
15:33 |
mats |
im aware of stuff like archivebox and pinboard does export bookmarks, so its ok if they fall down |
15:33 |
asciilifeform |
must have happened a bit too late tho, asciilifeform at one time used 'delicious' and gave it up for dead |
15:33 |
mats |
i dont mind paying for the privilege |
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~ 1 hours 43 minutes ~ |
17:16 |
asciilifeform |
mats: have you used other commercial 'personal db' widgets (e.g. 'evernote') ? |
17:18 |
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asciilifeform at one time was interested in subj, in light of the orig. impetus for his 'civilize computing' notion. quickly lost interest in wwwtronic variant, even if run by self, browser simply sucks too much to allow smooth tab-completion over large db w/out snail lag |
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~ 21 minutes ~ |
17:40 |
asciilifeform |
mats: supposedly 'delicious' sold for pennies, interestingly |
17:41 |
asciilifeform |
35k$. makes e.g. liquidation of bbet look like a megasuccess. |
17:42 |
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asciilifeform wonders whether the sale was anyffin like an auction; or instead 'back alley' deal |
17:43 |
asciilifeform |
!q uptime |
17:43 |
dulapbot |
asciilifeform: time since my last reconnect : 201d 13h 33m |
17:50 |
mats |
i used evernote for a couple years in high school, the app got progressively slower over time |
17:51 |
mats |
whats nice about pinboard is that i can use it on mobile |
17:51 |
mats |
never lose an argument again |
17:51 |
asciilifeform |
mats: this'd be the inescapable problem w/ www 'kolhoz', neh. moar users -- slower |
17:51 |
asciilifeform |
can use any www service on pnoje, neh |
17:51 |
mats |
no i mean the evernote desktop app was slow |
17:52 |
asciilifeform |
a |
17:52 |
asciilifeform |
was this after bought out by microshit? |
17:54 |
mats |
i didn't know that happened |
17:54 |
mats |
don't they have their own thing, onenote? |
17:55 |
asciilifeform |
possibly dreamed this? |
17:55 |
asciilifeform |
hmm seems only 'integrated with' ms |
17:59 |
mats |
what i found was that its too much work to organize |
18:00 |
asciilifeform |
a cloudism seems rather unlikely to ever offer fully general scripting (would have to charge for cpu cycles, like lulazon, or folx could e.g. mine shitcoin on it) so unsurprising |
18:01 |
mats |
when i actually want to take notes i write it down |
18:01 |
mats |
the physical feedback helps a lot |
18:01 |
asciilifeform |
paper, chalk, etc. a++ unbeatable until you wanna search |
18:02 |
mats |
chalk is a health hazard |
18:02 |
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asciilifeform has notion that proper 'intelligence amplifier' doesn't stop at mere searchability, either, but oughta actively bring up pertinent data while you type |
18:03 |
asciilifeform |
mats: theoretically. but i've yet to hear of maffs profs succumbing en masse to 'white lung' |
18:04 |
mats |
they'd tell you themselves but they can't be heard |
18:05 |
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asciilifeform not personally 'counted the tombs', cannot comment authoritatively |
18:05 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-01-02 23:39:58 dulapbot: (trilema) 2016-04-08 asciilifeform: 'i counted, read the cards on the wreaths. said things like, 'from wife', 'from son', 'from mother-in-law' - but none said 'from vodka.' nobody died from vodka.' |
18:07 |
mats |
how would a computer know whats pertinent to what you're typing |
18:08 |
asciilifeform |
obv. not 'knows', but often enuff can heuristic |
18:09 |
asciilifeform |
see e.g. thread re subj. |
18:09 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2020-07-03 19:22:30 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-07-03#1015764 << i've a pertinent tale : 10y ago, asciilifeform tried to write a (naively, thought...) very simple proggy : |
18:09 |
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asciilifeform still does not have this seemingly trivial tool. after almost 2 decades ! |
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18:09 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2020-07-03 19:24:41 asciilifeform: ... was to be very basic text editor where edits db entries, each one titled w/ arbitrary string. principle being, 1st pair of [[ ... ]] in the text is title of given entry; and any subsequent [[ ... ]] become clickable links to other entries. with tab-completion and floating selector while typed. ( plan included other knobs, but this alone already gives very useful item imho ) |
18:18 |
mats |
can you give an example of a heuristic? |
18:20 |
mats |
i can think of a knob for searching different things, like something in vscode, slack, or the filesystem |
18:21 |
mats |
could probably write a talon script to do that |
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~ 17 minutes ~ |
18:39 |
mats |
nvm, i think i understand what you mean |
18:48 |
asciilifeform |
aok |
18:49 |
asciilifeform |
mats: in asciilifeform's orig. conception, main heuristic was to be 'topological' -- in a 'sidebar' would show 'nodes' which have a link relation (in either direction) from the 'current' (i.e. being edited) one |
18:50 |
asciilifeform |
but in principle oughta be fully scriptable |
19:03 |
shinohai |
IF YOU OR A LOVED ONE HAS BEEN DIAGNOSED WITH SUDDEN-ONSET CHALK INDUCED MESOTHELIOMA, YOU MAY BE ENTITLED TO FINANCIAL COMPENSATION! |
19:03 |
asciilifeform |
lol |
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~ 4 hours ~ |
23:04 |
signpost |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-01-03#1070885 << I've got an unfinished one of these on my desk, can't be the only one. |
23:04 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2022-01-03 13:01:52 asciilifeform: still does not have this seemingly trivial tool. after almost 2 decades ! |
23:04 |
signpost |
one of my mcclim projects collecting dust atm. |
23:05 |
signpost |
might've even gotten to making foreign keys clicky, think I did. |
23:18 |
asciilifeform |
well mine's unfinished too, lol |
23:18 |
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asciilifeform thinks about mcclim, gets just shorta physically ill recalling the ui kit |
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23:22 |
signpost |
that's why I stopped, felt like a haphazard pile o' shit. |
23:23 |
asciilifeform |
!q seen-anywhere gabriel_laddel |
23:23 |
dulapbot |
gabriel_laddel last seen in #trilema on 2018-05-02 00:59:35: F- |
23:23 |
asciilifeform |
rip. |
23:25 |
* |
signpost googled him a few times, seems yeah, eaten by the sea. |
23:25 |
signpost |
never confirmed |
23:26 |
asciilifeform |
likely ina pauper's grave somewhere in 'flyover land' |
23:36 |
* |
asciilifeform spent literally yrs trying to find a way to implement it using any existing x11-integrated gui kit. answr appears to be 'no and fuckyou'(tm) |
23:36 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2020-07-03 19:26:00 asciilifeform: i.e. could write the proggy, but turned out 100% impossible to make the editor behave as specified, with e.g. links being clickable ~while text box is editable~ (no modality liquishit pleez) , with completor/selector box, etc |
23:36 |
asciilifeform |
( without writing a complete font renderer etc. that is ) |
23:36 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2020-07-03 19:27:09 asciilifeform: apparently such proggy can only be written if write 100% of graphics stack (incl. font renderer) from 0. as in e.g. emacs (before anyone asks, i ~specifically~ did not and still do not want this kinda thing as elisp progggy -- it'll 100% guaranteed choke on 200MB+ of indexable db.. ) |
23:38 |
asciilifeform |
fucked with 'wx', 'qt', bought the fucking books, worked through all known public examples of anyffin even vaguely resembling hypertext editors, tried with raw x11, # of misc. horrors. all to 0 useful result. |
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23:41 |
asciilifeform |
i.e. the imho 1 single most useful thing one can even do with a computer -- and trivially+completely describable in <5min -- evidently can't be done on any known os. |
23:44 |
asciilifeform |
i'ma describe it exhaustively on the off chance that a hero is born one day and reads this : |
23:45 |
asciilifeform |
editor box, and when i hit '[', pops up a text-completion list of ~all~ node titles. select w/ mouse or arrow keys, while typing any text occurring in the title (not necessarily from start of string), a la commonplace text completers; |
23:45 |
asciilifeform |
when hit 'enter' (if found existing node) or when hit ']' (if not found, ergo creating ab initio) the text turns into a clickable hyperlink ~immediately~ without disrupting editing |
23:45 |
asciilifeform |
when link is clicked, box navigates to that node. |
23:46 |
asciilifeform |
if the sole link to a node is removed (incl. via 'cut') the node is deleted. |
23:47 |
asciilifeform |
creating a link also creates a 'backlink' (visible in sidebar when navigating a node) to the linking node. |
23:48 |
asciilifeform |
can edit title of a node, in which case ~all~ links to it appropriately change to the new one. |
23:48 |
asciilifeform |
that's more or less it. |
23:50 |
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asciilifeform had various notions of lisp scriptability ~on top of~ this mechanism, but the above is the basic backbone of it all. |
23:50 |
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asciilifeform before anyone asks, the modeless editing is ~not~ negotiable. thing is 100% useless to asciilifeform w/out that. |
23:52 |
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asciilifeform ftr also NOT interested in any kludge involving emacs in any way. must be standalone proggy and able to run on top of a ~fast~, indexable db (e.g. postgres). |
23:52 |
asciilifeform |
i.e. ~fast~ even after there are 1e7+ entries. |
23:54 |
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asciilifeform also ftr NOT interested in any 'solution' which involves a www browser or sawed-off components thereof, in any way. |
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