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00:20 asciilifeform $ticker btc usd
00:20 busybot Current BTC price in USD: $47167.86
00:20 asciilifeform !w poll
00:20 watchglass Polling 14 nodes...
00:20 watchglass 205.134.172.6:8333 : (172-6.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.029s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=716930
00:20 watchglass 71.191.220.241:8333 : (pool-71-191-220-241.washdc.fios.verizon.net) Alive: (0.057s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=716930 (Operator: asciilifeform)
00:20 watchglass 205.134.172.26:8333 : Alive: (0.110s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=716930
00:20 watchglass 54.39.156.171:8333 : (ns562940.ip-54-39-156.net) Alive: (0.172s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=716930
00:20 watchglass 208.94.240.42:8333 : Alive: (0.154s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=716930
00:20 watchglass 54.38.94.63:8333 : (ns3140226.ip-54-38-94.eu) Alive: (0.210s) V=88888 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.8.88.88/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=716930
00:20 watchglass 82.79.58.192:8333 : (static-82-79-58-192.rdsnet.ro) Alive: (0.354s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=716454
00:20 watchglass 205.134.172.28:8333 : Alive: (0.903s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=716929 (Operator: whaack)
00:20 watchglass 205.134.172.4:8333 : (172-4.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.844s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=716930
00:20 watchglass 94.176.238.102:8333 : (2ppf.s.time4vps.cloud) Alive: (0.081s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=716460
00:20 watchglass 75.106.222.93:8333 : Alive: (0.705s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=716928
00:20 watchglass 143.202.160.10:8333 : Alive: (0.614s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=716930
00:20 watchglass 205.134.172.27:8333 : Alive: (0.715s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=716930 (Operator: asciilifeform)
00:21 watchglass 103.36.92.112:8333 : (terebe.ns01.net) Alive: (0.291s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=716929
~ 4 hours 15 minutes ~
04:36 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-12-31#1070676 << imho using a www service for this kinda thing is a vendor lock-in timebomb. asciilifeform wouldn't, even if it worx a++ great.
04:36 dulapbot Logged on 2021-12-31 02:24:41 mats: get one if you can afford it, i highly recommend it. it has full text search and archives, and i've a few thousand bookmarks from the last decade or so
04:37 asciilifeform ( anyone recall fate of 'delicious' ?)
04:37 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-12-31#1070688 << you can do that with 100% cmdline tools. (or even, if you must, emails to self..)
04:37 dulapbot Logged on 2021-12-31 02:31:36 mats: being able to do a keyword search of everything i've read is what i imagine its like to be a rainman
04:38 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-12-31#1070697 << i recall these, and thinking 'is this the slowest www known to man?'
04:38 dulapbot Logged on 2021-12-31 03:17:02 verisimilitude: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-12-28#1069886 I've used whitequark's IRC logs before. I wasn't aware he was some anime tranny by now; what a shame.
04:39 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-12-31#1070703 << asciilifeform baked the ffa diagrams by hand, similarly (plain html!) but was quite arduous and rather limited in the possibilities (can't draw e.g. examples of pest topologies this way)
04:39 dulapbot Logged on 2021-12-31 03:20:38 verisimilitude: I currently write the SVGs on my website by-hand.
04:40 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-12-31#1070708 << if he'd bitten it from vodka (as was asciilifeform's orig. expectation) or old age, would read differently ?
04:40 dulapbot Logged on 2021-12-31 03:25:04 verisimilitude: I read a Trilema article lately, discussing the USG. It doesn't read with its intended impact now that Neptune killed Mircea.
04:47 asciilifeform oblig lul
04:47 dulapbot (trilema) 2016-04-08 asciilifeform: wife says to drunken husband, 'every night you drink, drink, you never bring money home, you worthless piece of shit, go visit the cemetary - see how many gravestones say 'died of vodka.'..'
04:47 dulapbot (trilema) 2016-04-08 asciilifeform: husband goes off, actually goes to count.
04:47 dulapbot (trilema) 2016-04-08 asciilifeform: comes back, says,
04:47 dulapbot (trilema) 2016-04-08 asciilifeform: 'i counted, read the cards on the wreaths. said things like, 'from wife', 'from son', 'from mother-in-law' - but none said 'from vodka.' nobody died from vodka.'
~ 10 hours 10 minutes ~
14:58 billymg asciilifeform: thanks! and yes, i'm going to try to post more
~ 32 minutes ~
15:30 asciilifeform a++
15:30 asciilifeform $ticker btc usd
15:30 busybot Current BTC price in USD: $46879.38
15:30 asciilifeform !w poll
15:30 watchglass Polling 14 nodes...
15:30 watchglass 54.39.156.171:8333 : (ns562940.ip-54-39-156.net) Alive: (0.050s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=717024
15:30 watchglass 205.134.172.6:8333 : (172-6.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.134s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=717024
15:30 watchglass 205.134.172.4:8333 : (172-4.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.082s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=717024
15:30 watchglass 205.134.172.27:8333 : Alive: (0.144s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=717024 (Operator: asciilifeform)
15:30 watchglass 208.94.240.42:8333 : Alive: (0.123s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=717024
15:30 watchglass 205.134.172.26:8333 : Alive: (0.142s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=717024
15:30 watchglass 205.134.172.28:8333 : Alive: (0.138s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=717024 (Operator: whaack)
15:30 watchglass 143.202.160.10:8333 : Alive: (0.206s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=717024
15:30 watchglass 54.38.94.63:8333 : (ns3140226.ip-54-38-94.eu) Alive: (0.284s) V=88888 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.8.88.88/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=717024
15:31 watchglass 82.79.58.192:8333 : (static-82-79-58-192.rdsnet.ro) Alive: (0.333s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=716803
15:31 watchglass 94.176.238.102:8333 : (2ppf.s.time4vps.cloud) Alive: (0.361s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=716803
15:31 watchglass 71.191.220.241:8333 : (pool-71-191-220-241.washdc.fios.verizon.net) Alive: (0.706s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=717024 (Operator: asciilifeform)
15:31 watchglass 103.36.92.112:8333 : (terebe.ns01.net) Alive: (0.532s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=717024
15:31 watchglass 75.106.222.93:8333 : Alive: (0.363s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=717024
15:32 mats asciilifeform: incidentally, the operator of pinboard ended up the final owner of delicious
15:32 asciilifeform mats: did it swallow the old db and offer to subscribers of the new thing?
15:32 mats i think so
15:33 mats im aware of stuff like archivebox and pinboard does export bookmarks, so its ok if they fall down
15:33 asciilifeform must have happened a bit too late tho, asciilifeform at one time used 'delicious' and gave it up for dead
15:33 mats i dont mind paying for the privilege
~ 1 hours 43 minutes ~
17:16 asciilifeform mats: have you used other commercial 'personal db' widgets (e.g. 'evernote') ?
17:18 * asciilifeform at one time was interested in subj, in light of the orig. impetus for his 'civilize computing' notion. quickly lost interest in wwwtronic variant, even if run by self, browser simply sucks too much to allow smooth tab-completion over large db w/out snail lag
~ 21 minutes ~
17:40 asciilifeform mats: supposedly 'delicious' sold for pennies, interestingly
17:41 asciilifeform 35k$. makes e.g. liquidation of bbet look like a megasuccess.
17:42 * asciilifeform wonders whether the sale was anyffin like an auction; or instead 'back alley' deal
17:43 asciilifeform !q uptime
17:43 dulapbot asciilifeform: time since my last reconnect : 201d 13h 33m
17:50 mats i used evernote for a couple years in high school, the app got progressively slower over time
17:51 mats whats nice about pinboard is that i can use it on mobile
17:51 mats never lose an argument again
17:51 asciilifeform mats: this'd be the inescapable problem w/ www 'kolhoz', neh. moar users -- slower
17:51 asciilifeform can use any www service on pnoje, neh
17:51 mats no i mean the evernote desktop app was slow
17:52 asciilifeform a
17:52 asciilifeform was this after bought out by microshit?
17:54 mats i didn't know that happened
17:54 mats don't they have their own thing, onenote?
17:55 asciilifeform possibly dreamed this?
17:55 asciilifeform hmm seems only 'integrated with' ms
17:59 mats what i found was that its too much work to organize
18:00 asciilifeform a cloudism seems rather unlikely to ever offer fully general scripting (would have to charge for cpu cycles, like lulazon, or folx could e.g. mine shitcoin on it) so unsurprising
18:01 mats when i actually want to take notes i write it down
18:01 mats the physical feedback helps a lot
18:01 asciilifeform paper, chalk, etc. a++ unbeatable until you wanna search
18:02 mats chalk is a health hazard
18:02 * asciilifeform has notion that proper 'intelligence amplifier' doesn't stop at mere searchability, either, but oughta actively bring up pertinent data while you type
18:03 asciilifeform mats: theoretically. but i've yet to hear of maffs profs succumbing en masse to 'white lung'
18:04 mats they'd tell you themselves but they can't be heard
18:05 * asciilifeform not personally 'counted the tombs', cannot comment authoritatively
18:05 dulapbot Logged on 2022-01-02 23:39:58 dulapbot: (trilema) 2016-04-08 asciilifeform: 'i counted, read the cards on the wreaths. said things like, 'from wife', 'from son', 'from mother-in-law' - but none said 'from vodka.' nobody died from vodka.'
18:07 mats how would a computer know whats pertinent to what you're typing
18:08 asciilifeform obv. not 'knows', but often enuff can heuristic
18:09 asciilifeform see e.g. thread re subj.
18:09 dulapbot Logged on 2020-07-03 19:22:30 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-07-03#1015764 << i've a pertinent tale : 10y ago, asciilifeform tried to write a (naively, thought...) very simple proggy :
18:09 * asciilifeform still does not have this seemingly trivial tool. after almost 2 decades !
18:09 dulapbot Logged on 2020-07-03 19:24:41 asciilifeform: ... was to be very basic text editor where edits db entries, each one titled w/ arbitrary string. principle being, 1st pair of [[ ... ]] in the text is title of given entry; and any subsequent [[ ... ]] become clickable links to other entries. with tab-completion and floating selector while typed. ( plan included other knobs, but this alone already gives very useful item imho )
18:18 mats can you give an example of a heuristic?
18:20 mats i can think of a knob for searching different things, like something in vscode, slack, or the filesystem
18:21 mats could probably write a talon script to do that
~ 17 minutes ~
18:39 mats nvm, i think i understand what you mean
18:48 asciilifeform aok
18:49 asciilifeform mats: in asciilifeform's orig. conception, main heuristic was to be 'topological' -- in a 'sidebar' would show 'nodes' which have a link relation (in either direction) from the 'current' (i.e. being edited) one
18:50 asciilifeform but in principle oughta be fully scriptable
19:03 shinohai IF YOU OR A LOVED ONE HAS BEEN DIAGNOSED WITH SUDDEN-ONSET CHALK INDUCED MESOTHELIOMA, YOU MAY BE ENTITLED TO FINANCIAL COMPENSATION!
19:03 asciilifeform lol
~ 4 hours ~
23:04 signpost http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2022-01-03#1070885 << I've got an unfinished one of these on my desk, can't be the only one.
23:04 dulapbot Logged on 2022-01-03 13:01:52 asciilifeform: still does not have this seemingly trivial tool. after almost 2 decades !
23:04 signpost one of my mcclim projects collecting dust atm.
23:05 signpost might've even gotten to making foreign keys clicky, think I did.
23:18 asciilifeform well mine's unfinished too, lol
23:18 * asciilifeform thinks about mcclim, gets just shorta physically ill recalling the ui kit
23:22 signpost that's why I stopped, felt like a haphazard pile o' shit.
23:23 asciilifeform !q seen-anywhere gabriel_laddel
23:23 dulapbot gabriel_laddel last seen in #trilema on 2018-05-02 00:59:35: F-
23:23 asciilifeform rip.
23:25 * signpost googled him a few times, seems yeah, eaten by the sea.
23:25 signpost never confirmed
23:26 asciilifeform likely ina pauper's grave somewhere in 'flyover land'
23:36 * asciilifeform spent literally yrs trying to find a way to implement it using any existing x11-integrated gui kit. answr appears to be 'no and fuckyou'(tm)
23:36 dulapbot Logged on 2020-07-03 19:26:00 asciilifeform: i.e. could write the proggy, but turned out 100% impossible to make the editor behave as specified, with e.g. links being clickable ~while text box is editable~ (no modality liquishit pleez) , with completor/selector box, etc
23:36 asciilifeform ( without writing a complete font renderer etc. that is )
23:36 dulapbot Logged on 2020-07-03 19:27:09 asciilifeform: apparently such proggy can only be written if write 100% of graphics stack (incl. font renderer) from 0. as in e.g. emacs (before anyone asks, i ~specifically~ did not and still do not want this kinda thing as elisp progggy -- it'll 100% guaranteed choke on 200MB+ of indexable db.. )
23:38 asciilifeform fucked with 'wx', 'qt', bought the fucking books, worked through all known public examples of anyffin even vaguely resembling hypertext editors, tried with raw x11, # of misc. horrors. all to 0 useful result.
23:41 asciilifeform i.e. the imho 1 single most useful thing one can even do with a computer -- and trivially+completely describable in <5min -- evidently can't be done on any known os.
23:44 asciilifeform i'ma describe it exhaustively on the off chance that a hero is born one day and reads this :
23:45 asciilifeform editor box, and when i hit '[', pops up a text-completion list of ~all~ node titles. select w/ mouse or arrow keys, while typing any text occurring in the title (not necessarily from start of string), a la commonplace text completers;
23:45 asciilifeform when hit 'enter' (if found existing node) or when hit ']' (if not found, ergo creating ab initio) the text turns into a clickable hyperlink ~immediately~ without disrupting editing
23:45 asciilifeform when link is clicked, box navigates to that node.
23:46 asciilifeform if the sole link to a node is removed (incl. via 'cut') the node is deleted.
23:47 asciilifeform creating a link also creates a 'backlink' (visible in sidebar when navigating a node) to the linking node.
23:48 asciilifeform can edit title of a node, in which case ~all~ links to it appropriately change to the new one.
23:48 asciilifeform that's more or less it.
23:50 * asciilifeform had various notions of lisp scriptability ~on top of~ this mechanism, but the above is the basic backbone of it all.
23:50 * asciilifeform before anyone asks, the modeless editing is ~not~ negotiable. thing is 100% useless to asciilifeform w/out that.
23:52 * asciilifeform ftr also NOT interested in any kludge involving emacs in any way. must be standalone proggy and able to run on top of a ~fast~, indexable db (e.g. postgres).
23:52 asciilifeform i.e. ~fast~ even after there are 1e7+ entries.
23:54 * asciilifeform also ftr NOT interested in any 'solution' which involves a www browser or sawed-off components thereof, in any way.
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