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00:00 asciilifeform whereas #1 chumpatronicists interested mainly in 'cash out' (i.e. sell their hodl to a #2 for the proverbial '30 pieces of silver')
00:01 asciilifeform anyways none of this is news or afaik esp. audacious conjecture.
00:09 jonsykkel are the selfchains meant to be persistent if restart prog? how to update iwthout causing >900 fork?
00:10 jonsykkel maby this is what getdata is for
00:10 asciilifeform jonsykkel: is what getdata's for
00:10 jonsykkel i see
00:11 asciilifeform (with getdata, you also get the ability to talk 'into a bag' and ejaculate the contents of said bag opportunistically. may come in handy for stations w/ intermittent connectivity...)
00:12 asciilifeform likewise you get usenet-style threading (once somebody writes a non-irc-style frontend)
00:14 jonsykkel good stuff
00:15 asciilifeform well, prospective good stuff. we dun have it yet.
00:15 asciilifeform at the rate thimbronion is going , tho, i suspect we'll have it soon.
00:15 jonsykkel so i guess upon rebooting after update you would just recursivly getdata backwards until selfchain matches with stored value?
00:16 asciilifeform aha
00:16 jonsykkel makes sens now
00:16 asciilifeform a++
00:16 asciilifeform also gives you a (distributed) log, of a kind
00:17 asciilifeform i.e. potentially could have a pest client w/ 'scrollback' a la certain heathen chats
00:17 jonsykkel lol
00:17 asciilifeform for so long as someone on your pestnet has the old stuff, you'll be able to see it.
00:17 jonsykkel very nice
00:17 asciilifeform (and, recursively, your peers will too)
00:20 asciilifeform orthogonally to all of this, asciilifeform was asked (in meatspace) 'can i make an equivalent of old-style moderated group w/ pest?' -- answr is 'you can, if you can find folx who want to inhabit one, simply pick a moderator and peer with him in star topology'
00:21 asciilifeform i.e. the pest topology is general enuff to allow emulation of heathen one, if someone needed such a thing.
00:22 asciilifeform the beauty is that if the participants get tired of their 'star', they can go and link up among themselves and cut him out.
00:22 jonsykkel heh never thoguht of that
00:22 asciilifeform lotsa things you could do.
00:23 asciilifeform is what generality gets you -- folx can do things not necessarily described prior.
00:23 jonsykkel beginning to see the light
00:24 * asciilifeform would say 'will be interesting when over9000 folx see the light' but chances are we won't find out about it
00:25 jonsykkel unless you backdoor it quickly
00:25 asciilifeform lol
00:25 asciilifeform 'obfuscated pestron contest'!111
00:25 jonsykkel epic
00:27 asciilifeform fwiw asciilifeform suspects that there were folx 'using pest' long before i described it on www, and before thimbronion wrote his pre-pest thing, or even before any of us were wanking re 'gossipd', etc.
00:27 asciilifeform the algo is simply too obvious not to have been implemented somewhere.
00:28 asciilifeform simply neither asciilifeform nor other folx tuned in, know'em. and they've never felt the desire to say hello.
00:28 jonsykkel ye wouldnt be too surprised if something vaguely similar exists at least
00:28 asciilifeform jonsykkel: i'm satisfied that it dun exist publicly.
00:29 jonsykkel prolly not as clean spek tho
00:29 asciilifeform jonsykkel: there's a buncha rubbish moxyware, not discussing it
00:29 asciilifeform 100% usg honeypot
00:30 asciilifeform (complete w/ centrally pushed 'updates' to clients etc)
00:31 asciilifeform ( this equiv.class automatically includes anyffin running on pnojes & similar )
00:31 jonsykkel dont even need centrally pushed depending on users
00:31 asciilifeform jonsykkel: yea but it always is, is how lusers admin their softs
00:31 asciilifeform 'have you updated'
00:31 jonsykkel gotta stay secure
00:33 asciilifeform the very notion that a piece of softs could be permanently finished, afaik srsly discussed publicly only here.
00:33 dulapbot Logged on 2021-11-15 21:29:41 asciilifeform: a properly-adaized replacement-trb (i.e. with ZERO traces of derpcoad and demonstrably bug-free) would be what one could call 'permanent software'
00:34 jonsykkel i suspect youre right about that
00:35 jonsykkel i think djikstra said something about version numbers being nonsense
00:35 asciilifeform it's a terrifying egowound to the typical derpware author (esp. if addicted to 'feeling significant' -- 'how will i stay at the center of things if a proggy can be finished??!!' )
00:35 dulapbot Logged on 2021-11-17 15:18:33 asciilifeform: near as asciilifeform can tell, the 'dread' is mainly an affliction of folx who were hooked on the drug of 'feeling significant' (typically via bureaucracy) and 'their lying eyes' contradict
00:35 dulapbot Logged on 2021-11-14 11:55:48 asciilifeform: i.e. as soon as perp starts to notice that he's no longer the dominant miner, will 'upgrade' the pow, and the chumps will eat it up (given as they ate a shitcoin to begin with, being chumps)
00:35 vex thoughts on pest being bolted to trb asciilifeform?
00:35 asciilifeform vex: it's an elementary use case once we have it in sumthing other than a snail interp. lang
00:36 asciilifeform ( see also discussion )
00:36 dulapbot Logged on 2021-11-11 10:21:00 thimbronion: asciilifeform: what is your rationale for running trb on top of Pest? Hiding trb nodes w/o tor?
00:37 asciilifeform imho is not the easiest nor most interesting use case discussed thus far, but defo belongs on the list.
00:38 vex interesting perhaps for a black hashing cartel
00:38 asciilifeform arguably only 'comes into its own' once you can make a completely pestronic path to miners, aha
00:38 vex block
00:39 asciilifeform imho it doesn't make sense to put sweat in it until there's a trb that doesn't verify in o(n^2) and doesn't wedge, lol
00:39 asciilifeform atm diddled connectivity aint the main natural enemy of trb noades.
00:39 * asciilifeform spent a rather long time under the misconception that it was; presently satisfied that (at the moment) it aint
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02:07 vex crtdaydreams: are you parsing the logs? get a napkin my son, I've got some calulations for ya
02:15 * vex wants this
02:15 dulapbot Logged on 2021-11-17 10:11:01 shinohai: Montevideo Vice, where BingoBoingo and local sluts bust up pirate tit rings off the coast.
02:27 vex With Santiago Segura as The HarbourMaster
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03:43 vex did you manange to swap your bullshit out for something useful crtdaydreams?
03:43 dulapbot Logged on 2021-11-14 00:42:17 cdd: I'd like to ask (I'm not sure if this is the right channel to ask on) if I could purchase bitcoin in exchange for monero?
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03:58 vex shit like this make my olfactory sesors go wild
04:03 vex i did like that meta video tho
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04:32 vex https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CevxZvSJLk8 i'm reminded of katy purry
04:45 vex In caffine news /me takes a heavy ristretto or two erry dawn
04:46 vex 3 moar at breakfast etc
04:54 vex verisimilitude, anyone tells ytou you got a problem. show them the door with an open hand
05:06 vex only fat cunts have heart problems
05:09 vex mebbe dial back on those bakery treats signpost
05:10 vex never tell anyone what to do. i'm the only hypocryte
05:12 vex I don't even kn ow what it means; they dont teach the classics in oz
05:13 vex I am super keen to test certain newbies arthmetic skills
05:14 vex send somone sensible
05:26 vex https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6O0wp-zJmUE
05:29 vex https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSMyBm9QMLQ
05:32 signpost fak u buddy, fite me
05:33 vex nah tx. look here
05:34 vex i get off the plane, i get handed a 6 shootewr
05:34 signpost well that's just polite. hawaii has the flower necklaces or w/e
05:34 vex i won't go there, they take fingerfrints
05:35 signpost scan your balls with microwaves too
05:35 vex can I get a 6 inch lei?
05:35 signpost right in the middle of the distribution; decent odds
05:36 signpost anyway I work out *so* I can have the bakery treats
05:38 vex https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRtvqT_wMeY
05:39 vex did they give fluffypony his watch bacvk?
05:42 vex i'm thinking prolly yes
05:46 vex I love you signpost
05:49 vex fwiw my ganja has huge grass hoppers lost in time. stoned forever
05:50 vex eaters be stoned as fuck
05:50 vex \no pesticides
06:01 vex moxie took a lot
06:03 vex fight me cunt. phf and I
06:13 vex ill stomp your knee backwards
06:19 signpost I wish phf would come back and be upset at me trying to rehash philosophy above my paygrade; great times.
06:19 vex right?
06:19 * signpost afk, night vex
06:19 vex ok. ay why
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09:09 punkman http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-17#1066466 << wasn't speaking of "great accomplishments", basic things their parents managed, buying house, raising children, learning a trade, etc
09:09 dulapbot Logged on 2021-11-17 15:16:19 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-17#1066417 << what did typical plebe 'accomplish', historically? (other than questionable point of breeding)
09:10 punkman lulzy piece on "U.S. Agency for Global Media" https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/restoring-america/fairness-justice/the-death-of-democracy
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10:19 punkman some interesting observations https://theethicalskeptic.com/2021/11/15/chinas-ccp-concealed-sars-cov-2-presence-in-china-as-far-back-as-march-2018/
10:22 punkman http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-18#1066621 << related, popular meme https://imgur.com/a/cf5W2Uf
10:22 dulapbot Logged on 2021-11-18 04:09:40 punkman: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-17#1066466 << wasn't speaking of "great accomplishments", basic things their parents managed, buying house, raising children, learning a trade, etc
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11:04 punkman https://wiki.chadnet.org/
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13:19 asciilifeform punkman: nifty mirror. sadly full of 'martian woo', reminiscent of 1990s 'anarchist cookbook' wwws. but at least d00d had the sense to put up a zip, this is rare nowadays.
13:20 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-18#1066617 << he's still lurking (sporadically?), in fact was the 1 who tipped off asciilifeform re drowned fuhrer
13:20 dulapbot Logged on 2021-11-18 01:19:12 signpost: I wish phf would come back and be upset at me trying to rehash philosophy above my paygrade; great times.
13:20 PeterL http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-18#1066590 << I had a college professor, skinny fit guy, who died of a heart attack, was only 52
13:20 dulapbot Logged on 2021-11-18 00:06:12 vex: only fat cunts have heart problems
13:21 asciilifeform ( hey phf, can haz plz update of vpatch www w/ thimbronion's proggy ? )
13:24 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-18#1066625 << aha, 'the great theft'.
13:24 dulapbot Logged on 2021-11-18 05:22:29 punkman: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-18#1066621 << related, popular meme https://imgur.com/a/cf5W2Uf
13:24 asciilifeform ( see also )
13:24 dulapbot Logged on 2021-09-27 10:49:47 asciilifeform: PeterL: both come from same root -- lizards' desire to keep their yachts, palaces, and cocaine despite a collapsing support base. i.e. same thing that happened in e.g. argentina. (or 1700s fr. for that matter. and plenty of other places.)
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14:18 punkman "Turkish Lira in freefall, now at above 11 to 1 US$." there goes the lira again
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14:35 * BingoBoingo can see Turks moving towards RU/CN/IR Alliance and dragging NATO axis uncomfortably
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15:27 asciilifeform $ticker btc usd
15:27 busybot Current BTC price in USD: $58007.14
15:27 asciilifeform cheapcoinz!111
15:27 asciilifeform !w poll
15:27 watchglass Polling 17 nodes...
15:27 watchglass 176.9.59.199:8333 : Could not connect! (Operator: jurov)
15:27 watchglass 185.85.38.54:8333 : Could not connect!
15:27 watchglass 84.16.46.130:8333 : Could not connect!
15:27 watchglass 205.134.172.6:8333 : (172-6.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.021s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=710292
15:27 watchglass 185.163.46.29:8333 : Could not connect!
15:27 watchglass 213.109.238.156:8333 : Could not connect!
15:27 watchglass 205.134.172.4:8333 : (172-4.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.021s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=710292
15:27 watchglass 54.39.156.171:8333 : (ns562940.ip-54-39-156.net) Alive: (0.112s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=710292
15:27 watchglass 205.134.172.27:8333 : Alive: (0.083s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=710292 (Operator: asciilifeform)
15:27 watchglass 205.134.172.26:8333 : Alive: (0.141s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=710292
15:27 watchglass 71.191.220.241:8333 : (pool-71-191-220-241.washdc.fios.verizon.net) Alive: (0.106s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=710292 (Operator: asciilifeform)
15:27 watchglass 205.134.172.28:8333 : Alive: (0.083s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=710292 (Operator: whaack)
15:28 watchglass 208.94.240.42:8333 : Alive: (0.165s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=710292
15:28 watchglass 54.38.94.63:8333 : (ns3140226.ip-54-38-94.eu) Alive: (0.261s) V=88888 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.8.88.88/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=710292
15:28 watchglass 143.202.160.10:8333 : Alive: (0.314s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=710292
15:28 watchglass 103.36.92.112:8333 : (terebe.ns01.net) Alive: (0.596s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=710292
15:29 watchglass 192.151.158.26:8333 : Busy? (No answer in 100 sec.)
15:34 asciilifeform meanwhile, in misc. ex-lulz of ex-#t folx.
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15:53 signpost philosopher god who recited his classical education on wordpress and produced, near as I can tell, nothing but a life of financialism and porn.
16:02 * asciilifeform lulled re the 'no vanity' bit
16:02 asciilifeform and 'no avarice' didjaknow.
16:04 signpost also first time meatsack was deified.
16:04 asciilifeform obv.next step!11
16:05 asciilifeform recall, (iirc) jurov suggested to build temple, with bronze mp with cock acolytes could sit on.
16:05 signpost lol
16:06 signpost this'd be a far better use of his estate (if accessible) than seed funding companies in btc
16:06 signpost you know, the real kind. not moving coins from left to right pocket.
16:07 asciilifeform fwiw the 4k or so of his hodl i have pubs for, haven't budged.
16:09 * signpost could probably walk chain from deedbot if cared, but I believe he was rich.
16:09 signpost capital gets put to work, is the point.
16:09 asciilifeform i dun recall anyone alleging that d00d was poor
16:10 signpost ah yeah, re: inaccessible. would suck if true.
16:11 asciilifeform sux for the chix, a++ for errybody else
16:12 asciilifeform btc is sorta like a tontine.
16:14 signpost I'm fine with the outcome, but capital wielded correctly makes the whole realm richer too
16:14 asciilifeform this goes for all the early hodlers similarly
16:14 dulapbot Logged on 2021-11-17 18:33:01 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-17#1066486 << there's imho a quite serious systemic defect in bitcoin (and no, i'm not aware of any possible 'fix') -- the reward structure favours early-adopting morons
16:15 signpost yeah, that was why btc needed a republic, since the flaw there's social, not solvable in the money.
16:15 signpost the morons are supposed to get squished in human societies.
16:16 asciilifeform ( see also )
16:16 asciilifeform indeed social.
16:19 * asciilifeform saw 'needs republic' as direct consequence of the fact that the tree bitcoin sits on -- the whole komoyooting supporting stack -- being thoroughly rotten. naively imagined that megahodlers would give a damn.
16:19 asciilifeform *kompyooting
16:20 signpost humans always need the demonstrative crisis, which is why none of them are gods.
16:21 asciilifeform 'invent parachute on the way down' aha lol
16:21 signpost splort
16:23 asciilifeform instead we get 'Das war ein Befehl! Der Angriff Steiners war ein Befehl! Wer sind Sie, dass Sie es wagen, sich meinem Befehl zu widersetzen? ...'
16:27 signpost maybe we invent a social structure that deranges the executive less someday; the proto-american gents punted and built a foil-a-tron.
16:27 * signpost bets this works for a while, then fails spectacularly due to counterpressure
16:28 asciilifeform fails via bureaucratism
16:29 asciilifeform humans at scale seem to have 2 settings, roughly, fuhrer and reddit
16:29 asciilifeform bistable -- 1 collapses into the other periodically.
16:31 signpost inflation looks like it worked for the german phase-shift
16:31 * asciilifeform must bbl
16:31 signpost cya!
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18:53 punkman "Bill Gates Says Covid Deaths May Drop to Flu Levels by Mid-2022. [...] He added the world ought to work to eradicate the flu as well in order to reduce threats from future pandemics."
18:55 signpost strange kind of person that considers lockdowns a delightful power.
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20:57 asciilifeform the most loathesome subspecies of lizard, the 'philanthropist'.
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22:46 asciilifeform thinking about this -- it goes back to the boojum -- how wouldja 'put to work' proverbial 1000btc ? say someone brings it to you and 'how wouldja turn this into 3000 for me, that'd justify the risk of letting it leave my brainwallet at all?'
22:46 dulapbot Logged on 2021-11-18 11:09:52 signpost: capital gets put to work, is the point.
22:46 dulapbot Logged on 2021-11-17 18:56:46 asciilifeform: afaik the ~only ways to get hold of the proverbial 1000btc today, is 1) fraud&theft 2) direct access to money printer with which to buy it
22:47 asciilifeform afaik there's possibly nuffin under the sun which 'yields' moar than simple hodl, even in principle.
22:49 asciilifeform even without accounting for 'sfyl' 'investments' -- as soon as the coin gets traded for fiatola, immediately gets inflated away, taxed, vig'd, etc
22:50 * asciilifeform recalls what happened to the various #b-a era folx who wanted to 'put coin to work'
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