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00:43 crtdaydreams http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-16#1066223 << It's been quite a number of years, but yes.
00:43 dulapbot Logged on 2021-11-16 10:33:50 BingoBoingo: cdd Have you ever seen Kindergarten Cop, the classic film?
00:44 crtdaydreams http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-16#1066229 << AH AHAHA
00:44 dulapbot Logged on 2021-11-16 11:45:30 signpost: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log-search?q=who+is+your+daddy+and+what+does+he+do&chan=trilema
00:45 crtdaydreams I get it now, gee I've stale humor.
00:46 crtdaydreams Sorry vex, pulling the stick out my arse in 3... 2... 1...
00:47 crtdaydreams http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-16#1066231 << Is there a way I can change that on the WoT?
00:47 dulapbot Logged on 2021-11-16 11:46:29 signpost: btw "crtdaydream" is a way cooler handle than cdd
00:51 crtdaydreams signpost: there's also a reason for being cdd, it's short enough to be a unix command. "cdd -v" etc. Perhaps I could make a website on that premise, a bit like cat-v.org
00:52 crtdaydreams ...or a shell util of some sorts, what it would do is beyond me though.
00:56 crtdaydreams Could be a fun demo project, some ascii art and chiptune.
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02:10 crtdaydreams Oh my god. le garden of eden
02:12 crtdaydreams What in the ever living fuck is this.
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03:11 * asciilifeform was out getting keyz to new pad, looks like coupla km of log, lol, to eat
03:25 * asciilifeform deadly tired, will answr things tomorrow.
03:31 signpost congrats on new fort
03:32 signpost crtdaydreams either you like, doesn't matter to me. just sign a message to that effect if you want to change it.
03:32 signpost just thought the name was neat.
03:33 * signpost notices a profound sense of "something died recently" in the younger generation, gives me some hope.
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03:33 signpost had a huge chuckle the first time I saw girls walking down the street dressed like my mother in the 90s.
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03:59 crtdaydreams http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-16#1066321 << Not sure what you mean by that, could you elaborate please?
03:59 dulapbot Logged on 2021-11-16 22:33:25 signpost: notices a profound sense of "something died recently" in the younger generation, gives me some hope.
04:06 signpost crtdaydreams: there's a lot of 90s nostalgia in the kids that were born after 2000
04:07 signpost and 80s
04:08 signpost and I was drawing a parallel with that and your "crtdaydreams"
04:10 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-16#1066232 << be prepared to pick up 'lcr meter' and recap. (e.g. asciilifeform's circa-2001 new-old-stock 21" already needs recap.
04:10 dulapbot Logged on 2021-11-16 11:47:13 signpost: been meaning to ebay himself a trinitron sometime
04:10 dulapbot Logged on 2021-09-09 22:45:45 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in sads, asciilifeform dusts off priceless 'trinitron', and picture wobbles. no known cure.
04:12 asciilifeform ( lcr meter for the innocent. )
04:13 signpost yeah got one of those kicking around
04:13 signpost sounds like possibly more pain than it's worth
04:13 asciilifeform depends, naturally, on how badly you want the perfect msdos eden.
04:13 * asciilifeform sadly not had time to even contemplate
04:18 crtdaydreams signpost: part of that 90s nostalgia is that I grew up with a CRT despite being of the post-millennium generation in a 1st world country.
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04:20 crtdaydreams Having learned the history of hackerdom and personal-computing in it's infancy, I must admit that there is a silent wish that I were born into the days of the C64 and low-level low-complexity technology.
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04:23 signpost reasonable and healthy perspective imo
04:23 crtdaydreams Then again, should that've been the case I wouldn't be here reminiscing over a past that I never experienced.
04:24 crtdaydreams I would not have learned of lisp, and it's related technologies.
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04:25 crtdaydreams signpost: What sort of PC did you grow up with?
04:27 signpost vaguely recall some packard bell thing, might've been a relative's. spent most of my young years on a "compaq presario" running win95
04:27 signpost booted into DOS for various games
04:29 signpost whoops
04:31 signpost later a neighbor gifted me a cobbled together tower and I put slackware on it
04:45 crtdaydreams Neat. I think for a coupla years I was on 95/98 then went to XP for most of my younger years.
04:46 crtdaydreams I had this HP tower at home, when I went over to my grandmas my uncle (who was living there at the time) had a dell laptop that I would play games on whenever I went over.
04:47 crtdaydreams I pretty wasted away my childhood on video games and eventually yewtoob vidya.
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04:48 crtdaydreams s/pretty/pretty much/
04:48 crtdaydreams I think that was most of my generation actually.
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06:25 punkman http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-16#1066296 << sounds like too much coffee to me
06:25 dulapbot Logged on 2021-11-16 16:03:54 verisimilitude: I be not the only one here drinking six or eight cups of coffee each day, right?
06:26 punkman if I go past 2-4 shots of espresso, I switch to decaf
06:33 punkman also been enjoying cup of goat milk with 3-4 scoops of cacao, nice energy boost for the morning
06:41 punkman giving yourself caffeine addiction is rather miserable, it's good to switch it up
06:47 punkman nice https://twitter.com/AlexJonesWs/status/1460780913420382211
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06:55 punkman http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-16#1066322 << I wonder if all this "vintage fashion" is happening because the girls are too poor to afford new clothes (that are not H&M quality)
06:55 dulapbot Logged on 2021-11-16 22:33:47 signpost: had a huge chuckle the first time I saw girls walking down the street dressed like my mother in the 90s.
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11:20 thimbronion punkman: confirmed in some cases
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11:44 thimbronion For blatta debuggers, my live blatta log can be found here: http://share.alethepedia.com/blatta/blatta.log
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13:06 PeterL my daughter (age 13) recently scored a big pile of clothes from an estate sale. 80's/90's fashion, it's all pretty sturdy stuff
13:07 PeterL she also got a wedding dress, which she dyed a dark purple to use as a haloween costume
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13:46 scoopbot New post on Thimbron: Blatta 9988: deduplication by message hash
13:48 shinohai oh neat scoopbot is back
13:48 PeterL yeah, I never figured out what was wrong with it, I tried running it again and it worked
13:49 PeterL seems like for some reason it was having trouble connecting to the IRC network, but the problem seems to have gone away
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15:07 * BingoBoingo routinely consumes 2-3 pots of coffee daily
15:08 shinohai ^
15:08 BingoBoingo signpost: 80/90's nostalia definitely seems to be a trend
15:09 * BingoBoingo vaguely recalls wave of 60/70's nostalgia forced via television during 90's
15:11 shinohai Montevideo Vice, where BingoBoingo and local sluts bust up pirate tit rings off the coast.
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15:42 signpost BingoBoingo: sure, but from the 60s/70s nostalgia you get the psychedelic revival which had significant impact on the views/behavior of me and my peers.
15:43 signpost it's easy to trivialize the young, then suddenly they own the world.
15:46 signpost http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-16#1066340 << thought on this, and it's pretty self aware. the advantage of coming later is knowing how the story ended.
15:46 dulapbot Logged on 2021-11-16 23:24:18 crtdaydreams: I would not have learned of lisp, and it's related technologies.
15:47 signpost to wish to have been there is to wish to fail with a lost cause. better to know why they failed and fix it.
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15:48 signpost or to quote asciilifeform (and btw this is something I continue to dwell upon.) algo was always broken
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15:48 dulapbot Logged on 2020-12-17 19:02:50 asciilifeform: billymg: if it at any point even makes sense to discuss 'the fed of bitcoin' -- in any other light than you might discuss 'a 2 that is also a 3' -- the algo was broken. (and was always broken, then.)
15:49 signpost can be as true of cultures as code, and really there's no distinction. code's just culture on a computer.
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15:57 signpost $ticker btc usd
15:57 busybot Current BTC price in USD: $59662.73
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16:16 shinohai $adj
16:16 busybot The next difficulty adjustment for BTC will occur in appx. 1,492 blocks ~ 9 days, 20 hours, and 38 minutes
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16:34 asciilifeform repasting from pestlog (which aint 100% working presently) : thimbronion : what is almost certainly happening is that msgs with lower bouncecounts are getting zapped by deduper, and identical copies bearing higher bouncecounts are the ones being rebroadcast some % of the time, leaving to ~random desaparecidos.
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16:35 thimbronion asciilifeform: makes senes
16:35 asciilifeform thimbronion: imho the only proper fix for this is to actually have the embargo logic
16:35 thimbronion *sense
16:35 thimbronion asciilifeform: yep
16:35 asciilifeform that way if there's an immediate (i.e. direct from peer) copy of a given msg on the way to your station, that one is treated as canonical (and rebroadcasts will have bounce==1)
16:36 asciilifeform (and if there aint -- the station has a chance to receive the 1 with the lowest bounce count prior to rebroadcasting)
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16:37 * asciilifeform suspects that this could account for 100% of the desaparecidos observed so far
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16:52 thimbronion I need a better local test net
17:03 BingoBoingo signpost: there seems be be a connection with the 90's nostalgia and the era's stoner culture. Maybe it's just an echo, but it's palpable
17:04 BingoBoingo And generally the young adults today seem less retarded than self and peers at their age, but maybe I'm just picky about the ones I entertain?
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17:06 * BingoBoingo would not be surprised if Zoomers become the next Boomers
17:08 signpost yeah, this is what I'm grunting at too. they seem less retarded.
17:08 * signpost found 'em pleasant company at the last acl fest.
17:10 signpost BingoBoingo: whereas the 90s stoner culture was peripheral, and most millenials were (and are) extremely conservative (either the lefist or right-wing versions), these ones seem like they're running the show.
17:11 signpost and they're not as afraid as the millenials.
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17:11 * signpost considers his generation to be comprised entirely of cowards.
17:12 cgra asciilifeform: my 'within few days' is stretching like thick spit -- cuz this task also is starting to show 'spittoonesque' symptoms. realized getblocks/getheaders works as a DoS weapon, and then upon further investigation, getheaders is showing similar, mysterious node-shitting-itself characteristics.
17:13 signpost hue, spittoon-c++ does not treat time estimates kindly
17:14 cgra i mean, similar self-shitting as the 'getdata wedge' does
17:15 cgra signpost: yea... if you have time estimate, you're already wrong -- no reliable estimates exist! :)
17:16 cgra repeatedly forced to ask yourself how deep do you really want to dig
17:16 asciilifeform cgra: this summarizes asciilifeform's entire history of work on the subj
17:17 cgra asciilifeform: right! :)
17:19 cgra anyway, just an ack that still intending to finish a summary
17:19 asciilifeform cgra: a ok. no reason to hurry
17:21 BingoBoingo signpost: I suspect it's the greater distance from having Boomers in their homes that is giving Zoomers that advantage over Millenials. Boomers just failed that bad.
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17:24 BingoBoingo At least the Zoomers have a pragmatism the Boomer to Millenial span seems to lack
17:38 BingoBoingo In other news, the F-35 flying brick is getting the "nuclear capable" designation soon... Southern hemisphere keeps looking better
17:43 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: lol, did they finally install 'crm-114' box in'em or wat makes the difference there
17:48 punkman I've been exposed to a bunch of zoomers via the local (board)game shop, they don't seem less retarded. perhaps a bit more "genre-savvy" in some areas.
17:49 punkman http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-17#1066399 << this makes some sense. these kids don't remember a time before constant financial crisis, incessant surveillance, etc
17:49 dulapbot Logged on 2021-11-17 12:11:19 signpost: and they're not as afraid as the millenials.
17:49 punkman millenials are getting to middle age, having accomplished nothing, lots of existential dread going around
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19:42 BingoBoingo asciilifeform, Apparently so
19:43 BingoBoingo CRM-114 and paperwork
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20:02 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-16#1066283 << good find; prolly oughta change spec to simply require that all 3 happen prior to session being considered to start
20:02 dulapbot Logged on 2021-11-16 15:07:15 jonsykkel: re: "Must be the first/second/third command", ftr irssi seems to send in order PASS,NICK,USER
20:02 * asciilifeform mistakenly assumed that the orig. given order is standardized
20:04 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-16#1066292 << seems eminently vulnerable to 'exam-taking' (e.g. suppose all the derps submit to it then only to start an npm-prime where same crapola immediately moves to)
20:04 dulapbot Logged on 2021-11-16 15:58:19 verisimilitude: Anyway, here's something stupid and perhaps amusing: I will pay you cash to delete your npm module
20:04 asciilifeform ... this is the basic problem with any out-of-wot bounty scheme.
20:04 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-16#1066296 << seems that this'd give heroic tolerance and ~0 useful effect
20:04 dulapbot Logged on 2021-11-16 16:03:54 verisimilitude: I be not the only one here drinking six or eight cups of coffee each day, right?
20:05 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-16#1066298 << iirc this aint even the 1st purported 'compatible client from scratch'. they aint necessarily uninteresting, but they aint, for fundamental reasons, plug-in replacements for trb, even if on the surface 100% correct somehow
20:05 dulapbot Logged on 2021-11-16 17:39:56 bonechewer: I expect asciilifeform will be too disgusted by the segshit'ism to do more than flame this, but I thought a from-scratch reimplementation of bitcoind in C might be newsworthy, even if only as an organ donor for useful coad
20:05 dulapbot Logged on 2021-11-10 09:43:25 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-10#1064697 << in #t asciilifeform & mp had kilometres of remarkably unproductive discussion about this. the heart of the matter aint complicated tho -- you don't necessarily need 'bug for bug compat.', but you do need sufficiently close emulation so that your noads cannot be induced to fork.
20:07 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-16#1066336 << wait till you get chance to use a ~quality~ crt ! ( chances are you haven't seen one , they were coupla. thou. 1990s usd ! )
20:07 dulapbot Logged on 2021-11-16 23:18:06 crtdaydreams: signpost: part of that 90s nostalgia is that I grew up with a CRT despite being of the post-millennium generation in a 1st world country.
20:07 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-16#1066337 << the deep seekrit is that 'those days' aint over if you know where to look.
20:07 dulapbot Logged on 2021-11-16 23:20:56 crtdaydreams: Having learned the history of hackerdom and personal-computing in it's infancy, I must admit that there is a silent wish that I were born into the days of the C64 and low-level low-complexity technology.
20:08 asciilifeform ( and could return en masse, if a sane iron were to be fabbed ! )
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20:09 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-16#1066348 << errybody 'wastes' childhood, in this sense, imho
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20:09 dulapbot Logged on 2021-11-16 23:47:55 crtdaydreams: I pretty wasted away my childhood on video games and eventually yewtoob vidya.
20:10 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-17#1066356 << lizards won't fire smallpox, not only ultra-simple to defend, but lotsa folx already immunized ( e.g. asciilifeform & his + previous generations of orcs )
20:10 dulapbot Logged on 2021-11-17 01:47:17 punkman: nice https://twitter.com/AlexJonesWs/status/1460780913420382211
20:10 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-17#1066366 << curious what this was ( do you have logs ? )
20:10 dulapbot Logged on 2021-11-17 08:49:24 PeterL: seems like for some reason it was having trouble connecting to the IRC network, but the problem seems to have gone away
20:11 asciilifeform !q uptime
20:11 dulapbot asciilifeform: time since my last reconnect : 154d 16h 8m
20:11 asciilifeform ^ wasn't a fullbore outage
20:11 asciilifeform $ticker btc usd
20:11 busybot Current BTC price in USD: $60219.01
20:11 asciilifeform !w poll
20:11 watchglass Polling 17 nodes...
20:11 watchglass 176.9.59.199:8333 : Could not connect! (Operator: jurov)
20:11 watchglass 185.85.38.54:8333 : Could not connect!
20:11 watchglass 84.16.46.130:8333 : Could not connect!
20:11 watchglass 185.163.46.29:8333 : Could not connect!
20:11 watchglass 213.109.238.156:8333 : Could not connect!
20:11 watchglass 205.134.172.26:8333 : Alive: (0.081s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=710179
20:11 watchglass 205.134.172.4:8333 : (172-4.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.081s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=710179
20:11 watchglass 54.39.156.171:8333 : (ns562940.ip-54-39-156.net) Alive: (0.111s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=710179
20:11 watchglass 71.191.220.241:8333 : (pool-71-191-220-241.washdc.fios.verizon.net) Alive: (0.104s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=710179 (Operator: asciilifeform)
20:11 watchglass 205.134.172.6:8333 : (172-6.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.141s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=710179
20:11 watchglass 205.134.172.27:8333 : Alive: (0.087s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=710179 (Operator: asciilifeform)
20:11 watchglass 208.94.240.42:8333 : Alive: (0.170s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=710179
20:11 watchglass 205.134.172.28:8333 : Alive: (0.022s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=710179 (Operator: whaack)
20:11 watchglass 143.202.160.10:8333 : Alive: (0.284s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=710179
20:11 watchglass 54.38.94.63:8333 : (ns3140226.ip-54-38-94.eu) Alive: (0.257s) V=88888 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.8.88.88/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=710179
20:12 watchglass 103.36.92.112:8333 : (terebe.ns01.net) Alive: (0.937s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=710179
20:13 watchglass 192.151.158.26:8333 : Busy? (No answer in 100 sec.)
20:16 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-17#1066417 << what did typical plebe 'accomplish', historically? (other than questionable point of breeding)
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20:16 dulapbot Logged on 2021-11-17 12:49:59 punkman: millenials are getting to middle age, having accomplished nothing, lots of existential dread going around
20:17 asciilifeform seems like current (i.e. post- Great Theft) situation is a return to the ancient norm, as intended by the lizards, where 'you work a day, and what do you get? anuther day older and deeper in debt'(tm)(r)
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20:17 dulapbot Logged on 2021-07-13 14:38:31 asciilifeform: mats: it doesn't seem like we disagree re 'what' is happening. but possibly disagree in pov. per asciilifeform , what it all is -- is a massive theft.
20:18 asciilifeform near as asciilifeform can tell, the 'dread' is mainly an affliction of folx who were hooked on the drug of 'feeling significant' (typically via bureaucracy) and 'their lying eyes' contradict
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20:20 asciilifeform (rather like how in e.g. 1990s ru , impoverished former 'significants' drank to death by the thou.s)
20:20 asciilifeform incl. yeltsin himself.
20:20 asciilifeform illusory 'significance' has a cost.
20:21 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-17#1066379 << cultures, like organisms, seem to have finite lifespan.
20:21 dulapbot Logged on 2021-11-17 10:49:11 signpost: can be as true of cultures as code, and really there's no distinction. code's just culture on a computer.
20:22 asciilifeform they are born, they senesce, they die.
20:29 * signpost quite happy as an ephemeral bag of shit and saltwater
20:30 signpost http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-17#1066410 << proximity to boomers for any length of time is 100% a health hazard
20:30 dulapbot Logged on 2021-11-17 12:21:21 BingoBoingo: signpost: I suspect it's the greater distance from having Boomers in their homes that is giving Zoomers that advantage over Millenials. Boomers just failed that bad.
20:32 signpost http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-17#1066436 << many of the precocious fail later because narcissism deranges
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20:32 dulapbot Logged on 2021-11-17 15:09:13 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-16#1066348 << errybody 'wastes' childhood, in this sense, imho
20:33 signpost http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-17#1066466 << I think the point is that where are the millenial elites?
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20:33 dulapbot Logged on 2021-11-17 15:16:19 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-17#1066417 << what did typical plebe 'accomplish', historically? (other than questionable point of breeding)
20:33 signpost elite boomers at least tagged the moon with a couple ICBMs with doods strapped on
20:34 signpost eh no, that was the war generation, nvm!
20:35 signpost anyhow the millenials still have time to do something, and perhaps bitcoin turns out to be it, but time's ticking and so far their contributions to bitcoin appear to be "shit bolted to side"
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20:35 bonechewer "born, senesce, die" documented imho well by John Glubb
20:37 bonechewer Not a single milennial at my $SALTMINE can coad in C++; task falls to grizzled me
20:38 signpost lol, of c++ I'm forced to say "cowards aren't always wrong"
20:39 * bonechewer detests C++ but will do quite a few things for money
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21:02 signpost sure, just chuckling
21:11 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-17#1066482 << likely not exists yet -- gerontocracy a la sovok
21:11 dulapbot Logged on 2021-11-17 15:33:26 signpost: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-17#1066466 << I think the point is that where are the millenial elites?
21:12 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-17#1066480 << possibly not merely many but most
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21:12 dulapbot Logged on 2021-11-17 15:32:09 signpost: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-17#1066436 << many of the precocious fail later because narcissism deranges
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22:21 PeterL thimbronion: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=Cevk << crashes if you try to send a dm to a handle that you do not have as a peer
22:34 thimbronion PeterL: ty!
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23:33 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-11-17#1066486 << there's imho a quite serious systemic defect in bitcoin (and no, i'm not aware of any possible 'fix') -- the reward structure favours early-adopting morons
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23:33 dulapbot Logged on 2021-11-17 15:35:23 signpost: anyhow the millenials still have time to do something, and perhaps bitcoin turns out to be it, but time's ticking and so far their contributions to bitcoin appear to be "shit bolted to side"
23:33 dulapbot Logged on 2021-11-17 10:48:39 signpost: or to quote asciilifeform (and btw this is something I continue to dwell upon.) algo was always broken
23:33 dulapbot Logged on 2021-07-11 15:08:31 asciilifeform: because, as things now, there is absolutely ~nothing~ productive you can do that will get rewarded 1/1000th as much as 'having loaded up on hodl in 2011'
23:34 asciilifeform ... favours so heavily that if somebody 'was there in 2011' and lost 99% of his hodl, is still fatter than anyone who 'is hero' ~today~, regardless of the latter's actual valuable contribution (to anyffin at all, incl. maintenance of troo bitcoin & assoc. systems)
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23:35 asciilifeform would go as far as to say that the ~only means to seriously (i.e. by 2010s measures) profit today is via fraud. hence the abundance of 'shit-bolted-to-the-side artists'.
23:35 dulapbot Logged on 2021-11-14 11:56:58 asciilifeform: and given as the entire purpose of a shitcoin is to 'replay history' with perp at the center.
23:38 asciilifeform shitoshi's war crime of yielding bitcoin to winblows morons in '09 will be paid for, for potentially very long time.
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23:41 asciilifeform aand shitcoins will prolly always remain an attractive nuisance to the dimwitted who reason (correctly!) 'the derps who were there around shitoshi in '09 were no better than me, wai can't i have 1000 btc, maybe can if we can replay history'
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23:41 dulapbot Logged on 2021-11-14 11:55:48 asciilifeform: i.e. as soon as perp starts to notice that he's no longer the dominant miner, will 'upgrade' the pow, and the chumps will eat it up (given as they ate a shitcoin to begin with, being chumps)
23:48 asciilifeform naggum described microshit as a once-in-a-civilization mistake, not the least reason being the damage done by the morons trying to 'repeat its success'. similar here.
23:48 asciilifeform when stupidity is massively rewarded, you get (surprise?) massively moar of it.
23:56 asciilifeform afaik the ~only ways to get hold of the proverbial 1000btc today, is 1) fraud&theft 2) direct access to money printer with which to buy it
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23:57 asciilifeform plebes are laser-focused on #1 ; lizards on #2 .
23:59 asciilifeform lizards aint actually interested in ~spending~ their hodls, they need'em strictly for paperization, maintaining volatility so as to prevent their pyramid of traditional fuffles from toppling
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