#asciilifeform | 2021-09-27

'* Lending is also constrained because banks have to take steps to mitigate the risks associated with making additional loans.'

01:23

'* Regulatory policy acts as a constraint on banks’ activities in order to mitigate a build-up of risks that could pose a threat to the stability of the financial system.'

01:23

srsly ? 'competitive market????'

01:23

or 'mitigate the risks' ? when tbtf and errything reich-backstopped ?

01:24

i won't even comment re 'mitigate a build-up of risks...' , might die of laffter.

01:25

mats: i'm curious how you think the low interest could possibly be 'separate thing' from printolade. ( where are the low-interest bitcoin loans, for instance ? )

01:26

also, gotta luvvvv the disingenuous phrasing in that thing, e.g. 'By influencing the level of interest rates in the economy, the Bank of England’s monetary policy affects how much households and companies want to borrow' -- lol, 'want'

01:27

totally today people 'want' to pay 900k$ for a 300k$-circa-2018 fucking cardboard box.

01:27

'want'.

01:29

i suppose if 5y from nao, that cardboard box also requires a kidney and a cornea to buy, on top of 1$m, then central bank of england's brochure (and maybe even mats) will say with straight face that 'people simply WANT to pay a kidney and cornea plus 1$M...'

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02:50

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-26#1059705 << Oklahoma. No permits required. Build whatever you want on your own land.

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Logged on 2021-09-26 18:18:06 asciilifeform: btw dpb , re http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-26#1059698 -- where were you geographically again ? ( here in washingtonistan, just go an' try 'build up house slowly' with own hands -- will pay 6fig in fines and end with 0 house )

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03:55

mats

i mean, qe does lead to low interest rates, but the first step is to lower interest rates, they're separate levers

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12:55

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-26#1059702 << What do you mean "slowly build up a house"? Are you buying one brick at a time?

12:55

Logged on 2021-09-26 13:29:55 dpb: we also owe all our vehicles free and clear, which is the tougher one to live with. You can slowly build up a house. Can't slowly build a new car

12:56

How can it possibly be easier to have 200k for a house than 10k for a car?

12:57

or whatever values, but the house is typically at least one order of magnitude greater than the car?

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14:18

houses don't cost 200k when you build them yourself. And yes, buy a brick at a time if you must.

14:19

step one is dig holes and fill them with concrete and a wood post with a metal bracket on it. You can build that with little money, and then save up for the next step which is to put the floor on it, and so on..

14:20

where do you live while you build a house?

14:20

in someone else's house, a tent, a shed, a trailer, etc..

14:20

And here, just the empty land to build a house on costs more than a car

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when it gets far enough along, move into the hosue that is under construction

14:21

land is cheap here

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and then when you are "done," start building an addition, and so on...

14:31

lol overhere simply the land costs most of that 200

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(and that's without pipes, permits, bribes, taxes)

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http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-26#1059724 << are you saying it goes the other way, low interest rates lead to QE?

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Logged on 2021-09-26 23:55:07 mats: i mean, qe does lead to low interest rates, but the first step is to lower interest rates, they're separate levers

14:46

and what here counts as "low" interest rate?

14:49

PeterL: both come from same root -- lizards' desire to keep their yachts, palaces, and cocaine despite a collapsing support base. i.e. same thing that happened in e.g. argentina. (or 1700s fr. for that matter. and plenty of other places.)

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14:51

rather how the throttle and clutch in your auto are also 'separate levers' but at same time center around a common activity -- driving

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(see also.)

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Logged on 2020-08-15 12:15:56 asciilifeform: schematic thought process of nomenklatura parasite, 'so what if i drove u.s. steel industry into the ground. just cuz my employees lost shirts, doesn't mean i should lose yachts. i'ma ask my chums at fed to print $trillion and give to me. and will throw a few pennies to the starving peasants, while at it, wouldn't want'em to organize and pull a 1917 on me..'

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Logged on 2020-08-15 12:21:23 asciilifeform: the reason why inflation is observable in 'cartoon colours' in sad orcistans, e.g. argentina, is that in such shitholes, the elite's ~only asset is the printing press. crowned muppet ~will~ try to keep palace and private jet etc, even if has to pay for it 100% by printing peso.

14:52

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-27#1059741 << is rather like to ask 'what counts as high speed' when heading into a brick wall.

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Logged on 2021-09-27 10:46:06 PeterL: and what here counts as "low" interest rate?

14:53

picture if reich were lending to plebes (for mortgages, rather than generic dough obv.) at 0%. would result in even more outrageous price cancer than currently seen.

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http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-27#1059742 << Lebanon doing an Argentina right now

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Logged on 2021-09-27 10:49:47 asciilifeform: PeterL: both come from same root -- lizards' desire to keep their yachts, palaces, and cocaine despite a collapsing support base. i.e. same thing that happened in e.g. argentina. (or 1700s fr. for that matter. and plenty of other places.)

15:02

"gas crisis" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adRXUUF4Oj0

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cgra

asciilifeform: if lossy line is manageable, then i suppose skimping on the station hardware also equally manageable, because you could keep a queue of incoming packets and drop some randomly, if queue ever nearing full (ie. running outta cpu juice)

15:11

Logged on 2021-09-19 16:24:55 asciilifeform: apeloyee: in 0xFD rev. there is 'getdata', which addresses loss

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cgra: iirc i said this

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Logged on 2021-09-23 15:47:04 asciilifeform: so you have too few cycles on given iron? ok, simply means that you need to throw away certain % of 496b packets without eating'em. not fatal.

15:32

cgra

asciilifeform: right!

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15:48

gregory5

I have long had trouble understanding concepts from finance/economics,

15:48

gregory5

but whenever asciilifeform discusses the subject then everything suddenly makes sense.

15:53

gregory5

the logged conversations of 2021-09-22 and 2021-09-26 were especially informative.

16:02

gregory5, check out http://atruechurch.info/ and don't go to hell like the rest of the world!

16:10

wb gregory5

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gregory5: the most effective heuristic for grappling with a subject dominated by obscurantist scum, is to 1) figure out who are the obscurantists 2) figure out what they have touched 3) take the material discovered in (2), and... ignore all, incl. any derived (or study quality refutations thereof, strictly, if such exist)

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17:26

i recall how alfie was worried ba will be taken over by usg spamzorz or something along those lines, now camly accepts religidiotispam in his house. sad&lul simultaneously.

17:26

kakobrekla: lol you only nao noticed dpb ?

17:27

!!rated danielpbarron

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deedbot

asciilifeform rated danielpbarron 3 at 2018/01/24 23:11:23 << operates heathenbux-denominated FUCKGOATS dealership; trb experimenter; history of doing The Right Thing

17:27

btw.

17:27

he is an imbecile.

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kakobrekla: on the contrary, imho he's a literate crackpot, like yours truly.

17:28

and like many other folx here. prolly why tuned in.

17:28

i guess y'all more fucked than i imagined.

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kakobrekla: possibly you even notice that asciilifeform and dpb agree on a number of things. ( and asciilifeform dun much care if dpb agrees because sees it as will of allah, or whatever )

17:29

Logged on 2021-09-26 13:18:39 dpb: it's not wrong to lend money, but it is evil to owe anything to anyone (except love)

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the religious folx are imho some of the last with the will to resist (even if seldom effectively) the reich.

17:30

my guess is that you also agree on basic arithmetic with random jihadist

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doesnt mean any of parties is sane.

17:31

more than arithmetic

17:31

kakobrekla: show me some time where the sane people are.

17:31

not in the institution that fella keeps linking, thats for sure.

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asciilifeform admits -- hasn't read in depth

17:32

this somehow reminds me of "jesus will come back on a spaceship" ... "duuuh dont be stupid now, it will come back via a hammock carried by a dozen angels"

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kakobrekla: my favourite jizzus is the mormon one, who iirc is equipped with a jet right in own arse

17:34

not familiar with that particular joke

17:34

kakobrekla: they have icons where he's rocketing up to heavens on what looks rather like arse jet

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but whatever, its pathetic to allow someone to dump total garbage in yer chan just cause he has a few of items you made

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kakobrekla: he's a customer of mine. and doesn't speak particularly often.

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and when he does, it sure is spamolade idiotism.

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if i buy 10 goats, can also link random penis enlargement pills erry day?

17:36

kakobrekla: gentoo tester, also.

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Logged on 2019-12-11 21:45:48 danielpbarron: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/asciilifeform/2019-12-11#1003641 << http://danielpbarron.com/2019/mp-wp-on-a-rockchip-the-gentoo-lamp-saga/

17:37

yes or no ?

17:37

kakobrekla: mu

17:37

dpb's one line constantly repeated is rather spammy and obnoxious, but nobody asked me

17:38

vex atm is spam champ, at least per loc

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i warn each person one time, and when i did it via direct message, they would end up pasting it here anyway

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narcs

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dpb: i think you did gregory5 at least 3x lol

17:39

dpb: i'd hope you at least do these by hand, and not w/ perl

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and it is in the log, so you don't have to keep repeating it

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http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log-search?q=from%3Adpb+atruechurch.info&chan=asciilifeform

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asciilifeform historically tolerates various ??? for so long as the emitter also occasionally does sumthing useful or at least entertaining

17:40

enjoy

17:41

i moderate a channel on discord, and i allow anyone to advertize anything, even if they never contribute otherwise, and it's never been a problem

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asciilifeform wonders why kako tuned in as long as he did

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dpb: boggles my mind that a chan with coupla dozen, at most, ln/day would seem 'overspammed' to someone. whatever.

17:42

i am sure issue is made of me doing it because the thing i am advertising says that it will be hated by all who it is advertised to

17:43

ftr dpb also supplied valuable service -- ddos magnet for asciilifeform's isp. passed test w/ flying colours.

17:45

you give me more credit than i am due. I have been a miserable failure for the republic. Thank you for allowing me to stick around and warn people

17:45

eh hold yer chin higher, dpb

17:46

thimbronion: does your pest peer eat packets yet?

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asciilifeform still lulling re kakobrekla, who came in strictly to trollolol, 'revealing' to asciilifeform 'who are the spammers'

17:47

"atheist's allergy"

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used to afflict me as well, but I've grown more tolerant

17:47

punkman: d00d seems allergic to the idea of believing in anyffin at all

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i guess believes in only his truck fulla dough.

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a++ while it lasts, i suppose.

17:55

shinohai

$vwap

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busybot

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!w poll

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Polling 17 nodes...

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84.16.46.130:8333 : Could not connect!

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185.85.38.54:8333 : Could not connect!

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54.39.156.171:8333 : (ns562940.ip-54-39-156.net) Alive: (0.050s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=702456

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205.134.172.27:8333 : Alive: (0.023s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=702456 (Operator: asciilifeform)

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185.163.46.29:8333 : Could not connect!

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205.134.172.4:8333 : (172-4.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.082s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=702456

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205.134.172.6:8333 : (172-6.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.081s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=702456

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205.134.172.26:8333 : Alive: (0.081s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=702456

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205.134.172.28:8333 : Alive: (0.022s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=702456 (Operator: whaack)

17:56

208.94.240.42:8333 : Alive: (0.159s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=702456

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143.202.160.10:8333 : Alive: (0.294s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=702456

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54.38.94.63:8333 : (ns3140226.ip-54-38-94.eu) Alive: (0.322s) V=88888 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.8.88.88/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=702456

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213.109.238.156:8333 : Alive: (0.335s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=702456

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103.36.92.112:8333 : (terebe.ns01.net) Alive: (0.643s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=702456

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71.191.220.241:8333 : (pool-71-191-220-241.washdc.fios.verizon.net) Alive: (0.027s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=702457 (Operator: asciilifeform)

17:56

176.9.59.199:8333 : Violated BTC Protocol: Bad header length! (Operator: jurov)

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192.151.158.26:8333 : Busy? (No answer in 100 sec.)

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19:03

PestIRCD works, so far: 1k lines for IRCD, 1k lines for Pest

19:06

thinking it would be nice to make a #debug channel, which operator can join to see PestD debug info

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Can't you make whatever channels you want in it?

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yep

19:14

some ircv3 clients could also support putting hearsay/speaker/selfchain metadata in message-tags instead of message, and customize display to operator's liking https://ircv3.net/specs/extensions/message-tags

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19:31

in other ethlulz: "This morning someone using #Ethereum accidentally paid a $23.6 million transaction fee."

19:34

asciilifeform: possibly relevant to your interests, EE Journal describes new-ish old skool FPGAs from China

19:43

bonechewer: 1 of these co's actually wrote to asciilifeform last yr, asked whether he'd agree to help design. but when asciilifeform discovered that they want asciilifeform to ~contribute money~ also, the conversation ended, there was nuffin to talk about, lol, after that

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bonechewer: btw 'gowin' and possibly some of the others are simply altera photoclones and don't have own design softs (much less open specs)

19:45

afaik to this day the only open-spec fpga with even close to serious gate count remains lattice's ice40.

19:45

Sish. Surprising yet not, afterall, surprising.

19:45

*Sigh

19:45

bonechewer: photoclone is relatively easy vs actually designing and, most importantly, baking toolchain

19:47

thimbronion

punkman: a version I have not released yet does eat 496 byte packets, yes.

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http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-27#1059843 << which clients? dunthink any i've used have this feature. (or is it simply unused? how can test for this?)

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Logged on 2021-09-27 15:14:45 punkman: some ircv3 clients could also support putting hearsay/speaker/selfchain metadata in message-tags instead of message, and customize display to operator's liking https://ircv3.net/specs/extensions/message-tags

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http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-27#1059839 << neato. implements whole draft already?!

19:50

Logged on 2021-09-27 15:03:36 punkman: PestIRCD works, so far: 1k lines for IRCD, 1k lines for Pest

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asciilifeform re upstack, wonders whether anyone's ever encountered or even heard of a chinese software that weren't mswin shitware of the most abject kind...

19:57

if they have an opensores 'world', it must exist wholly outside of white man's light cone

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asciilifeform had the misfortune to decipher and attempt to use various chineseware for interfacing/firmwaring/etc their irons; would not care to repeat

20:03

Chinese are playing with ice40 too. hardware, software

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asciilifeform sadly not knows cn, cannot comment in detail

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http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-27#1059855 << not yet, getting there

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Logged on 2021-09-27 15:50:14 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-27#1059839 << neato. implements whole draft already?!

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20:41

gotta rethink how I persist data to disk

20:44

http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-25#1059602 It's unnecessarily repetitive. It should've been written using unrolled loops, instead. My version will be much nicer to audit and use.

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Logged on 2021-09-25 00:17:42 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-24#1059600 << what did you dislike in it, verisimilitude ? and in what way do you think you can improve on it ? thing has 1 job -- to carry out the algo in constant timespace, with 0 branching-or-indexing-on-seekrits. there's pretty much 1 and only 1 way to do it.

20:45

For Ada it probably won't be worthwhile, but I don't see a reason why the encryption and decryption functions shouldn't be derived from one source of information, rather than both written manually.

20:46

As for the message dpb sends to newcomers, it never particularly bothered me; it's not even once daily. I simply dislike yhwh is why I'd ever complain about it.

20:51

verisimilitude: post; will read

20:51

thimbronion

punkman: I was gonna go with mysql.

20:51

thimbronion

er, sqlite

20:53

I intend to offer an interface similar to what I've done with SHA. I'm wavering on whether I should include bit and octet functions, or simply require the word size to be used in all instances.

20:54

My SHA design required the others, because they influenced message length calculation, but Serpent doesn't have this concern.

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signpost also considers the uncynically religious one of the least offensive brands of ameritard.

23:17

and they do often have better immune systems against woke communism than alternatives.

23:18

I'd practically consider myself an atheist christian. much of my behavior comes out of that tradition.

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I think dpb is quite wrong about god, but would for example trust that he'd adhere to a gpg contract. there are few of these.

23:22

(also, as historical experiments go, the godless human is still unproven. it hasn't been that long.)

23:24

godless human,aka, the "science" religion

23:24

yep, this modern atheist thing looks brittle.

23:24

and the god fiction might be just as important to large-scale coordination as the ego fiction is to the coherence of one human head.

23:27

if you organize/centralize religion too much, it starts looking funny. like any other bureaucracy I suppose

23:28

it makes me curious what decentralized religion may be.

23:30

the resurgence of psychedelics may bring novel cults.

23:35

started morning with big earthquake, aftershocks keep coming, quite the annoyance

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