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00:24 asciilifeform $ticker btc usd
00:24 busybot Current BTC price in USD: $40657.39
00:29 mats rip
00:30 asciilifeform 4$ when!
00:32 mats remembers to harvest applicable capital loss offsets
00:32 asciilifeform mats: ianal but doesn't this only work if you actually ~took~ the loss (i.e. sold at loss) ?
00:33 mats yes
00:34 mats its one of the few benefits of extreme price volatility in btc
00:34 mats but it'll probably go away once the house votes on the bill this time next year
00:34 asciilifeform mats: maybe i'm thick, but where the 'benefit' ? dontcha have to demonstrate that you actually lost money, to get (a fraction of it) back as tax writeoff ?
00:34 asciilifeform (where 'money' means concretely usd)
00:36 asciilifeform i.e. if you have 1btc, but you bought it in 2012 for fiddybux, it doesn't do much for you if tonight falls from 40k to 20k, if yer intent on selling it will still show massive gain, not loss, and get taxed
00:36 mats right, i bought bitcoins recently
00:36 asciilifeform aite, but why wouldja sell any in the dip ?
00:36 mats to buy back right away, and bank the offsets
00:37 asciilifeform wouldntcha end up eating the spread then ?
00:37 mats yeah, i lose some money to egregious broker fees in the process
00:38 mats still worth it
00:38 asciilifeform seems to suggest the broker aint charging enuff, then, if this is somehow +ev for mats
00:39 * asciilifeform wonders what the 'brain cpu time' cost of this operation is
00:41 mats err, once the house votes on the bill this time next week*
00:41 asciilifeform mats: what concretely is the loophole that's to be closed ? (if i understand the implication of 'house votes..' that is)
00:42 mats i'm lazy and i don't bother unless the price slips >10%, costs ~0 time
00:42 mats https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/14/house-democrats-plan-would-close-tax-loophole-used-by-crypto-investors-.html
00:42 asciilifeform mats: ty
00:47 mats $ticker btc usd
00:47 busybot Current BTC price in USD: $41888.96
00:47 asciilifeform mats: outta curiosity, what's yer plan if usg goes 'aah you paid x $, mats ? but actually you owe 5x, plox by next tues., k bye'
00:48 mats talk to a tax attorney and then do what i'm told
00:49 * asciilifeform won't be esp. surprised if retroactive tax increases, officially or otherwise
00:51 mats i'm excited to see this vote expand the welfare state
00:53 mats hopefully usg's credit rating gets downgraded in a couple years
00:54 asciilifeform mats: it's already a work of fiction, it aint as if they paid bonds in gold or btc
00:54 asciilifeform sure, will pay a++ on time, by printing
00:58 asciilifeform mats: re tax writeoffs, they're specifically the mechanism of elite boot stamping on human face in usg reich, so they'll be abolished some time after hell freezes over
00:59 asciilifeform ( e.g. asciilifeform doesn't get to write off anything substantial. taxed at effectively ~50%. because working, rather than dividend-drawing , doesn't borrow money, doesn't speculate )
00:59 mats thats your own fault, you could've got a mortgage
01:00 asciilifeform mats: 'mp's plan for wealth'(tm)(r) ?
01:01 mats mp aside, it makes sense for some people
01:02 asciilifeform mats: 'underwater' mortgage borrower is more firmly bound to his cardboard box than anyone was in e.g. su.
01:03 asciilifeform i suppose for some value of 'make sense', just about anyffin 'makes sense for some people'. stuffing pine cone up own arse prolly makes sense for someone.
01:04 mats i'm also mildly allergic to making use of nontrivial amts of credit, but at some level of interest rates it becomes rational
01:04 asciilifeform ( would mats consider the pine cone if it came with a 10% tax deduction ?!111 )
01:05 mats if its not worth the unpeace of mind, i get it
01:05 asciilifeform mats: it's rational if yer personal arse is 100% insulated from the up-and-down of it. e.g. you're trump and the money is other people's (or even your own, but it aint your last nor next-to-last 100$M)
01:08 asciilifeform mats: one of your mortgaged houses burns down, and insurance refuses to pay ? say hello to paying $M for nonexistent house for the rest of yer life
01:08 asciilifeform y'know, rather like asciilifeform personally knew several folx who were paying for car which had years before gone to the junkyard
01:09 mats yeah, lack of gap insurance will burn a nontrivial number of people who bought cars at a premium this year
01:10 asciilifeform mats: not even speaking of 'lack of insurance'
01:10 asciilifeform mats: ever try to actually get dough outta car insurer , for 100% legit damage ?
01:10 mats yes, i never had a problem
01:11 asciilifeform ( not even to mention, suppose you were dumb enuff to buy ~new~ auto , which is worth 30-40% than what borrower owes 5min after he gets in it and drives home from the dealer ! )
01:11 asciilifeform *less than
01:12 asciilifeform mats: life is great when at no point do you have a problem, eh.
01:12 mats you know that gap insurance is a separate thing right
01:13 mats i mean, not separate, but it is an optional rider
01:13 asciilifeform then at some point you have problem. and maybe even fixable if you could budget the time & energy to 'fix properly' but may so happen that you can't.
01:13 mats for auto and homeowners insurance
01:15 asciilifeform mats: interesting re auto. asciilifeform would be excited if he weren't partial to 'disposable' cars
01:15 asciilifeform mats: iirc 'homeowner' insurance in usa is a quasi-scam tho
01:16 asciilifeform ( expensive, and will perma-drop you for life if you make so much as 1 claim )
01:16 mats title insurance is the real scam
01:17 mats https://archive.curbed.com/2018/2/26/17017142/title-insurance-scam-government-takeover detailed complaint
01:21 mats in other news, cosmic crisp apples are otherworldly. i cut one up a couple days ago and its hardly browned at all
01:22 asciilifeform 1992-2017 asciilifeform 'i liked apples, as a boy, not so much nao' then went to ro, to timis town market, had ~proper~ one, after this now again 'i used to like apples...'
01:24 asciilifeform fucking hate this blighted continent. where if you want real apple, or tasty mushroom, or genuine milk, you gotta find a black marketeer to fly these things in for you
01:24 mats have you been to whole foods
01:25 asciilifeform mats: in fact i buy errything there that aint in season at market
01:26 asciilifeform it aint this. 'real' apple doesn't distance-transport and you won't find it in a mass shop.
01:27 mats maybe that's why i don't really care for apples
01:27 mats they tend to be too sweet
01:27 asciilifeform is why. asciilifeform's pet also 'didn't care for apples', then in ro suddenly 'holy shit'
01:28 asciilifeform or the raw milk vending machine there... 'let's buy moar milk.' '??' 'to drink. right here.'
01:30 asciilifeform genuine milk: 100% banned in reich. like cocaine.
01:30 mats haven't had raw milk yet
01:30 asciilifeform entirely other world.
01:30 thimbronion asciilifeform: I am not clear on how to use the nonce in the red packet. I had been thinking it would be passed as the iv argument to the encryption function - then I realized - it's also needed for the decryption function, but it's not clear to me in the current scheme how the decryptor gets the iv.
01:30 asciilifeform a glass of it almost feels like a meal
01:30 asciilifeform thimbronion: i've been waiting for someone to ask!!
01:33 asciilifeform thimbronion: 'iv' is an aesism. what we'll be doing instead is ct_0 := serpent_e(pt_0); ct_1 := serpent_e(pt_1 ^ ct_0); ct_2 := serpent_e(pt_2 ^ ct_1); .... ctn := serpent_e(pt_n ^ ct_n-1) .
01:33 asciilifeform thimbronion: lemme know if makes sense to you.
01:34 asciilifeform ( will illustrate this, and the decryption, in the spec appendix . )
01:34 asciilifeform ct_n -- ciphertext block n ; pt_n -- plaintext block n
01:34 asciilifeform ( 16byte blox )
01:35 thimbronion and ^ is XOR?
01:35 asciilifeform this is standard 'cipher block chaining'(tm)(r) but for some reason (well, cuz aes explicitly requires) heathens carry a separate 'iv' around as plaintext
01:35 asciilifeform ^ is always xor.
01:36 asciilifeform pt_0 so happens is our nonce.
01:37 thimbronion Ok - I have enough to go on at least.
01:37 asciilifeform thimbronion: 28 blox in total to en/decrypt.
01:37 dulapbot Logged on 2021-09-19 19:30:52 asciilifeform: 448 == 16 * 28
01:37 asciilifeform thimbronion: lemme know if any part of this unclear.
01:37 * asciilifeform must bbl
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09:19 punkman http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-20#1058979 << you don't need to write your own CBC, just use iv=0
09:19 dulapbot Logged on 2021-09-20 21:37:10 thimbronion: Ok - I have enough to go on at least.
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13:57 asciilifeform punkman: he asked how the nonce is used, asciilifeform answr'd algorithmically, not knowing what kinda libs thimbronion intends to use, nor whether they're correctly implemented, or contain cbcism, etc
13:57 dulapbot Logged on 2021-09-20 21:30:32 thimbronion: asciilifeform: I am not clear on how to use the nonce in the red packet. I had been thinking it would be passed as the iv argument to the encryption function - then I realized - it's also needed for the decryption function, but it's not clear to me in the current scheme how the decryptor gets the iv.
13:59 asciilifeform ( e.g. the ancient ada serpent asciilifeform dug out in era2 gave only three functions -- key eater, encrypt(16bytes), decrypt(16bytes) )
13:59 dulapbot (trilema) 2017-10-18 asciilifeform: fwiw there is a quite short ada serpent existing, passes the test set ( and branch-free ).
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14:58 thimbronion asciilifeform: punkman is correct, I think. I'm not quite clear on why the result of the xor is being anded with 0xffffffff, however: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=N5gD
14:59 asciilifeform thimbronion: me neither !
14:59 asciilifeform thimbronion: this is why asciilifeform doesn't like 'just use library!' approach
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15:51 punkman can also think of it as new_iv = encrypt(red_packet[:16], iv=0) then encrypt(red_packet[16:], new_iv)
15:53 punkman I think X and 0xFF gives you last 8 bits if X is larger than 8bits
15:55 punkman I'm writing Go prototype, just now compiled without errors! doesn't do anything yet though
15:55 punkman good exercise for learning Go
15:55 asciilifeform lol punkman , didja pick up oddball lang just for the occasion ? or habitually used ?
15:57 asciilifeform incidentally, anyone ever used 'd' ?
15:57 dulapbot (trilema) 2017-07-05 asciilifeform: interestingly 'golang' is a pretty straight ripoff of 'D' (by digital mars co.)
15:58 * asciilifeform recently did megatonne of commercial work in 'd'. aint bad, vaguely like an ad-hoc orcish ada w/ better string handling
15:59 asciilifeform ^ ftr 'dmd' builds in traditional gentoo without coughing
16:01 punkman asciilifeform: just learning it now, never used. most of career has been shitscript langs
16:03 * asciilifeform is no one to discourage folx from use of 'puzzle langs' but cannot guarantee that he will try $proggy if it's in cobol for vms or golang or similar
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16:29 mats https://www.thedailybeast.com/peter-thiel-claimed-mark-zuckerberg-agreed-to-push-state-sanctioned-conservatism-under-trump-deal-book-says
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16:49 * thimbronion is currently doing a project in BrightScript - yes Roku has its own lang!
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17:49 * asciilifeform has genuinely nfi what ^ is
17:50 asciilifeform thimbronion: seems to resemble lua ?
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19:21 thimbronion asciilifeform: I'm not familiar with lua at all, so perhaps. Roku is a set top box thing.
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19:48 asciilifeform thimbronion: would ask 'why does tv box need own proprietary interpreter lang' but can guess.
19:53 punkman thimbronion: is it android box?
19:55 shinohai lol fluffypony released from the Fed's AirBnB https://archive.is/mTX0l
19:55 asciilifeform eh, i was hoping he'd get the chair
19:56 shinohai Must have sold watch, or gave seekrit Monero backdoor to NSA finally.
19:57 asciilifeform shinohai: moar likely they simply wanted some btc (perhaps to refill waterfall, hence yest.'s -xx% dump)
19:59 shinohai teh timing ....
20:03 thimbronion punkman: I suspect not - otherwise I'd be using Java, probably. Actually don't know what the OS is.
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20:22 shinohai heh Roku's run some sort of proprietary linux, I had one briefly but not a tv person ....sp
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21:26 jonsykkel http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2175#selection-1323.44-1339.1 << is not doubly redundant since Stack(SP) alredy guaranteed to be 0000000 after Push; + FZ_Random() overwrites Stack(SP)?
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21:42 billymg https://anonsubversion.wordpress.com/2021/09/16/interview-with-anon-on-subversion/ (archived)
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