| 00:03 |
billymg |
shinohai: building again with 100gb swap and -j9... |
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| 00:03 |
shinohai |
\o/ |
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| 00:27 |
thestringpuller |
looks like someone snagged bitcoin.foundation |
| 00:27 |
thestringpuller |
oh didn't realize it had always been thebitcoin.foundation |
| 00:28 |
signpost |
ah nice, the world needed two of these with H@CKERFONTZ |
| 00:39 |
thestringpuller |
did the wire protocol ever change? |
| 00:45 |
asciilifeform |
thestringpuller: afaik just once |
| 00:45 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2020-03-01 14:38:20 asciilifeform: shinohai: this btw confirmed. i did experiment, if one sends that extra byte, prb noades do in fact send addrs. (and yes some of'em ipv6, have to be thrown out) |
| 00:47 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-31#1055569 << where's the mystery? see from horse's mouth, e.g. paypal's www : 'Checking out with crypto is a taxable transaction / Because it’s an asset, it will first be sold whenever you checkout with crypto and the cash will be used to pay the merchant. You have to report any gains or losses on the crypto sale on |
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| 00:47 |
asciilifeform |
your taxes. PayPal will provide necessary 1099 forms when you sell cryptocurrency.' |
| 00:47 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-08-31 19:01:29 mats: the tax thing |
| 00:47 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-31#1055590 << curious what comes of this ! |
| 00:47 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-08-31 19:58:55 billymg: shinohai: building again with 100gb swap and -j9... |
| 00:48 |
billymg |
asciilifeform: no dice, even with 512gb of swap |
| 00:48 |
asciilifeform |
holyfuq! |
| 00:48 |
* |
asciilifeform wonders whether thing expects gcc5+ |
| 00:48 |
billymg |
trying now with 512gb swap and the -system-icu flag |
| 00:48 |
billymg |
asciilifeform: i actually haven't even gotten to that part of this build! still on stock gcc 10 whatever |
| 00:49 |
asciilifeform |
oh ha |
| 00:49 |
asciilifeform |
then defo not this |
| 00:49 |
shinohai |
I never have done ebuild of vanilla chromium, always www-client/ungoogled-chromium |
| 00:49 |
asciilifeform |
shinohai: and i presume yours built ? |
| 00:50 |
asciilifeform |
shinohai: see if you can dig out notes re how ? |
| 00:50 |
billymg |
shinohai: you rolled your own ebuild for that? i didn't see it in the tree |
| 00:50 |
shinohai |
Oh yeah it's in the pf4public overlay |
| 00:50 |
* |
shinohai will see if he still has notes anywhere |
| 00:52 |
billymg |
how many overlays can one have? |
| 00:52 |
billymg |
currently i have one, my local /usr/local/portage one |
| 00:52 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-31#1055571 << arguably i'm at fault for their recurrence, i can never find the ~previous~ iteration in time to link to log, lol. ( oblig. 'phf's elephant' reference !! ) |
| 00:52 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-08-31 19:20:55 billymg: i always love these "what's asciilifeform's magic number" threads |
| 00:52 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-06-25 22:38:59 asciilifeform: 'the indian elephant can devour, in one day, 100kg of hay, 50kg of carrots, 30kg of cabbage, 40kg of bread, etc' 'really, is it true, that this elephant eats so much?' 'as for eating, he sure would if he could, but who will let him!' |
| 00:52 |
asciilifeform |
anyways by popular demand, the ballpark magic# is ~100. |
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| 00:53 |
asciilifeform |
(why? is for another thread) |
| 00:54 |
* |
asciilifeform bbl |
| 00:54 |
billymg |
asciilifeform: so if 10 people here each put up 10 you'll be fulltime on asciiwarez?? |
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| 00:57 |
shinohai |
billymg: can add repos from whatever overlay you like using layman afaik |
| 00:57 |
shinohai |
(I haven't broken anything terribly bad .... yet) |
| 01:00 |
mats |
i misread it as 'trade usd for btc' being a taxable event (its not), but anyway, its not income unless youd bought that coin in the last year |
| 01:05 |
billymg |
mats: i think there are two camps, those who believe that the only tax on selling btc is the one printed (e.g. 20% longterm capital gains), and those who believe there is also a hidden tax (e.g. you're now on list of who to go after first when they 6102 it) |
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| 01:06 |
* |
billymg bbl |
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~ 1 hours 30 minutes ~ |
| 02:36 |
asciilifeform |
mats: ianal but the national 'long capital gains' tax rate in usa is 20%; and in most states the state tax rate depends strictly on the net qty and not what kind of income. (in e.g. md where asciilifeform , ends up ~10% , plus/minus a few depending on locale) |
| 02:37 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-31#1055628 << this in fact also. wasn't even speaking of the extralegal retroactive hypothetical 'we know you have coin' soldering-iron-up-yer-arse tax. |
| 02:37 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-08-31 21:01:13 billymg: mats: i think there are two camps, those who believe that the only tax on selling btc is the one printed (e.g. 20% longterm capital gains), and those who believe there is also a hidden tax (e.g. you're now on list of who to go after first when they 6102 it) |
| 02:38 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-31#1055624 << well yes, that was the meaning of the figure. |
| 02:38 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-08-31 20:49:50 billymg: asciilifeform: so if 10 people here each put up 10 you'll be fulltime on asciiwarez?? |
| 02:38 |
* |
asciilifeform not holding breath, lol, for this manna |
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~ 24 minutes ~ |
| 03:02 |
signpost |
nobody else wants an adatronic node? I'd be surprised. |
| 03:07 |
asciilifeform |
signpost: hey i'm sure somebody wants. y'know, just like prolly some folx do want a provably-correct fixed-time rsa. simply, people want for phree (or damn near) naturally. |
| 03:07 |
asciilifeform |
the eternal curse of opensores. |
| 03:08 |
signpost |
so I'm asking. there are a few old-timers here with serious stacks. I'd throw in something. anyone else? |
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| 03:08 |
asciilifeform |
'didn't start w/ us, won't end with us' |
| 03:08 |
* |
signpost doesn't want opensource, but wotware |
| 03:09 |
signpost |
anyhow you could be right. I failed to get verisimilitude to grunt out that encoder. |
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| 03:09 |
asciilifeform |
signpost: i'd nod, but e.g. cgra in fact parachuted straight from mars with not 1 but 2 ffa bugs in pocket |
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| 03:09 |
asciilifeform |
(i.e. wasn't in asciilifeform's wot init.) |
| 03:09 |
signpost |
I'm not opposed to open code by any means. |
| 03:10 |
signpost |
just agreeing that one shouldn't expect something for nothing. |
| 03:10 |
asciilifeform |
if then 'wotware' means 'the developers know one another' then obv. RightThing |
| 03:10 |
asciilifeform |
is what vtronics are for. |
| 03:10 |
signpost |
yeah, cgra demonstrated value and presumably entered wot at some level |
| 03:11 |
asciilifeform |
oh hm was gonna ask deedbot but apparently it's on the box but not in #a ? signpost do i need to turn a knob somewhere to make it go ? |
| 03:11 |
signpost |
nah, I do. I can give it a crank this weekend. |
| 03:11 |
asciilifeform |
aa ok |
| 03:11 |
asciilifeform |
no rush |
| 03:11 |
* |
signpost notes on cal |
| 03:11 |
signpost |
nbd, overdue. |
| 03:12 |
asciilifeform |
!q uptime |
| 03:12 |
dulapbot |
asciilifeform: time since my last reconnect : 77d 0h 5m |
| 03:12 |
asciilifeform |
^ notbad for ersatz. |
| 03:12 |
* |
asciilifeform really gotta get the ball rolling re: at least standing up coupla spares. currently swamped w/ liquishit tho |
| 03:13 |
* |
asciilifeform wonders whether any fleanode relay ever stood for 77+d |
| 03:16 |
* |
asciilifeform currently also plugged into trinque's , and can be reached there if this one catches fire... |
| 03:19 |
signpost |
yeah, happy to set up the chain whenever, but was pretty fucking disappointed to learn of lack of cycle detection, chain only |
| 03:19 |
signpost |
interested how thimbronion's thing's going |
| 03:20 |
thimbronion |
signpost: prototype is available to test, lemme know if you wanna connect to my node. |
| 03:22 |
thimbronion |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-31#1055639 << I can spare some coin |
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| 03:22 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-08-31 23:03:36 signpost: so I'm asking. there are a few old-timers here with serious stacks. I'd throw in something. anyone else? |
| 03:23 |
signpost |
unsigned tarball? (shakes jowls) |
| 03:23 |
thimbronion |
signpost: I can sign if you like. |
| 03:23 |
signpost |
sign a vpatch |
| 03:24 |
signpost |
but I'm reading this meanwhile |
| 03:24 |
* |
thimbronion will do |
| 03:24 |
signpost |
but yeah I'll fire up one of these for sure, where deedbot sits |
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| 03:47 |
billymg |
this could be interesting, i'd also chip in to free asciilifeform |
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| 03:51 |
billymg |
also, thimbronion, i have not gotten to this yet but do hope to in the next week |
| 03:51 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-08-11 13:21:31 billymg: thimbronion: btw i'm at the point now where i'm ready to start on your alethepedia theme and features for mp-wp |
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| 04:10 |
verisimilitude |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-31#1055642 I'm not off-schedule, since there be no schedule. I was aiming for within this year. |
| 04:10 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-08-31 23:04:33 signpost: anyhow you could be right. I failed to get verisimilitude to grunt out that encoder. |
| 04:10 |
verisimilitude |
Give me a schedule if I should adhere to one. |
| 04:11 |
signpost |
I already wrote mine, so I'm not paying for anything. |
| 04:18 |
signpost |
thimbronion: pls shoot me a pair of secrets in gpg for alcuin when you can. |
| 04:20 |
thimbronion |
signpost: will do mañana |
| 04:22 |
thimbronion |
billymg: please put it on the back burner. I need to rethink alethepedia. |
| 04:22 |
billymg |
thimbronion: ah, what's the change? i was looking forward to it actually |
| 04:23 |
thimbronion |
billymg: the text quality is really abysmal if you take some time to browse through some articles. I haven't done the work to see if it will be cost effective to repair them. |
| 04:27 |
thimbronion |
billymg: if alcuin gains traction here, I may need some help creating a nice looking "landing page" for consumption of heathens. |
| 04:27 |
billymg |
thimbronion: would be happy to help there as well |
| 04:27 |
thimbronion |
billymg: cool |
| 04:28 |
verisimilitude |
Okay, signpost. |
| 04:28 |
verisimilitude |
That means mine will be AGPLv3, as I prefer. |
| 04:35 |
signpost |
thimbronion: sooner we get off the sinful star topology the better. |
| 04:35 |
signpost |
verisimilitude: more the merrier. still a worthwhile endeavor imho. |
| 04:36 |
verisimilitude |
Still, this is an unfortunate throwback to when I tried to work with adlai. Had I been given a schedule, I would've aimed for it, rather than take my leisurely pace. |
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| 11:17 |
punkman |
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9946335/Chinas-war-celebrities-Scandal-hit-stars-deemed-social-tumours-removed.html |
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~ 4 hours 5 minutes ~ |
| 15:23 |
signpost |
punkman: seems like they're gearing up the propaganda ahead of a market crash. |
| 15:23 |
signpost |
"we did everything we could and yet the capitalists wrecked!1!" |
| 15:23 |
shinohai |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-30#1054941 << Yeah this is purvey of the girls. I still prefer death metal but learning to cumbia dance *was* fun. |
| 15:23 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-08-30 23:10:46 bingoboingo: shinohai Their friends all had at least one Insta story featuring Bzrp #36 around the new year? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OkiUUU3Odw |
| 15:24 |
signpost |
wouldn't surprise me to see a chinese crash which causes both liquidations and supply chain issues elsewhere. |
| 15:26 |
* |
asciilifeform suspects that it's rather a routine pie-redivision (from out-of-favour oligarchs to new generation from 'correct' parentage) a la 2010s ru |
| 15:29 |
asciilifeform |
pete_rizzo_: missed your pm earlier. yes 'classical' client refers to trb. |
| 15:36 |
signpost |
yeah, plenty of that too. just curious whether they've exposed their society to the casino enough to have caused systemic risk like ours does. wouldn't surprise. |
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~ 1 hours 12 minutes ~ |
| 16:48 |
thimbronion |
signpost: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=cfNM |
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~ 1 hours 54 minutes ~ |
| 18:43 |
asciilifeform |
signpost: when you get a few spare cycles, would like to hear your thoughts re 'wotware' |
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| 18:43 |
asciilifeform |
(concretely, whether and how is distinct conceptually from what done previously) |
| 18:54 |
asciilifeform |
unrelatedly, asciilifeform must take off hat to signpost , thimbronion, and billymg, but also must remind that there's a min. takeoff velocity and would prefer not to disappoint people ( right nao plenty of folx entirely |
| 18:54 |
asciilifeform |
justified to be disappointed in how slowly asciilifeform worx, but at least did not pay anyffin, lol) |
| 18:54 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-08-31 23:18:11 thimbronion: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-31#1055639 << I can spare some coin |
| 18:54 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-08-31 23:43:05 billymg: this could be interesting, i'd also chip in to free asciilifeform |
| 18:54 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-08-31 20:48:06 asciilifeform: anyways by popular demand, the ballpark magic# is ~100. |
| 18:56 |
asciilifeform |
wholly unrelatedly -- thimbronion i'd like to try your proggy. plz pgp the necessary bits to asciilifeform when you get a chance. |
| 19:03 |
asciilifeform |
!w poll |
| 19:03 |
watchglass |
Polling 17 nodes... |
| 19:03 |
watchglass |
185.85.38.54:8333 : Could not connect! |
| 19:03 |
watchglass |
84.16.46.130:8333 : Could not connect! |
| 19:03 |
watchglass |
185.163.46.29:8333 : Could not connect! |
| 19:03 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.26:8333 : Alive: (0.089s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=698575 |
| 19:03 |
watchglass |
54.39.156.171:8333 : (ns562940.ip-54-39-156.net) Alive: (0.089s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=698575 |
| 19:03 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.4:8333 : (172-4.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.082s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=698575 |
| 19:03 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.6:8333 : (172-6.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.141s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=698575 |
| 19:03 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.28:8333 : Alive: (0.144s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=698575 (Operator: whaack) |
| 19:03 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.27:8333 : Alive: (0.277s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=698575 (Operator: asciilifeform) |
| 19:03 |
watchglass |
208.94.240.42:8333 : Alive: (0.159s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=698575 |
| 19:03 |
watchglass |
54.38.94.63:8333 : (ns3140226.ip-54-38-94.eu) Alive: (0.260s) V=88888 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.8.88.88/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=698575 |
| 19:03 |
watchglass |
143.202.160.10:8333 : Alive: (0.294s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=698575 |
| 19:03 |
watchglass |
213.109.238.156:8333 : Alive: (0.338s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=698575 |
| 19:03 |
watchglass |
71.191.220.241:8333 : (pool-71-191-220-241.washdc.fios.verizon.net) Alive: (0.965s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=698575 (Operator: asciilifeform) |
| 19:03 |
watchglass |
103.36.92.112:8333 : (terebe.ns01.net) Alive: (0.598s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=698575 |
| 19:04 |
watchglass |
176.9.59.199:8333 : Violated BTC Protocol: Bad header length! (Operator: jurov) |
| 19:04 |
watchglass |
192.151.158.26:8333 : Busy? (No answer in 100 sec.) |
| 19:18 |
billymg |
asciilifeform, shinohai: this version of chromium finally built on my dbus/systemd-free gentoo. the solution was to comment out the musl related patches in the ebuild and set the -system-icu USE flag. i'm a bit embarrassed that i didn't try commenting out the musl patches sooner since i'm not on a musl build but |
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| 19:18 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-08-30 12:58:15 billymg: asciilifeform: so i found this overlay which has an ebuild for chromium that makes dbus optional, but this depends on the atk use flag, and if disabled, no dbus, but then wants to use gtk3 |
| 19:18 |
billymg |
i glanced at the patches and assumed they were making it optional |
| 19:18 |
asciilifeform |
ohey neato! |
| 19:19 |
billymg |
i might need to install some extra fonts though, certain websites render with missing text |
| 19:19 |
billymg |
while others render fine |
| 19:19 |
asciilifeform |
billymg: see also my note re fonts |
| 19:20 |
asciilifeform |
( the arrows in ffa ch.14 are apparently missing in default xorg fonts nao ) |
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| 19:55 |
signpost |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-01#1055703 << will think on this and give it a proper response. a few aspects come to mind, 1) funded by wot, not asciilifeform's sweat, 2) usable by wot, including commercially (which includes asciilifeform just releasing the thing under a broad permissive license or stating its public-domain nature. could also be something |
| 19:55 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-09-01 14:38:20 asciilifeform: signpost: when you get a few spare cycles, would like to hear your thoughts re 'wotware' |
| 19:55 |
signpost |
narrower. |
| 19:55 |
signpost |
the antilicense is great and all, but it creates problems for anyone who wants to hustle in the present world. |
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| 19:56 |
signpost |
also not bothered in the least if this cannot happen due to time constraints or unwillingness. just pressing on the assumption that *if* there were a free quarter for the assembled to buy from asciilifeform, they wouldn't |
| 19:56 |
signpost |
I would. |
| 19:56 |
billymg |
asciilifeform: hmm, my font issue seems to be a bit different. chromium appears to be unable to access system fonts, but renders fine when the website embeds fonts via css |
| 19:57 |
signpost |
for now that's all I can personally commit too. I'm upper-middle-class, not rich, and the reptile-fucks are doing their damnedest to make sure I stay put. |
| 19:57 |
billymg |
i think i'm going to shelve this for now (since i have a working firefox) and move on to the rest of the stack |
| 19:57 |
signpost |
btw ack thimbronion, ty. really looking forward to trying this. |
| 19:59 |
* |
signpost encourages davout also to write in if he's interested in funding a completed ada-trb. |
| 19:59 |
billymg |
signpost: re funds for wotware i'd be willing to commit ~10 |
| 19:59 |
signpost |
10 BTC, or $10k worth BTC? |
| 19:59 |
billymg |
former |
| 20:00 |
signpost |
nb! |
| 20:00 |
billymg |
i figured that's what we were talking about re ascii's 100 number |
| 20:00 |
signpost |
100 BTC sounds like a hell of a lot more than finishing ada-trb. |
| 20:01 |
signpost |
that figure's less quarter-of-work territory and more "funding a company" |
| 20:01 |
signpost |
anyway, let's see what others say. |
| 20:03 |
billymg |
signpost: just looking at the nicklist in here i estimated there might be 8 people who'd be willing/able to put up 12.5 (for me this is sort of my ceiling but there might be others here who could put down 2-3x that) |
| 20:04 |
signpost |
practically speaking, I could hire an ada contractor for much less than that. |
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| 20:04 |
signpost |
asciilifeform's expertise is worth a premium, for sure. |
| 20:04 |
billymg |
i understood the 100 number to mean, can safely say "fuck you" to fiat clients for now |
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| 20:05 |
signpost |
lol, if one can't *retire* with 100BTC wtf's going on. |
| 20:05 |
signpost |
bit much, but maybe we can find a middle. |
| 20:05 |
billymg |
signpost: sure, also unclear whether this is dependent on current exch rate or not, perhaps in october btc at 100k lol |
| 20:06 |
billymg |
i'm also not sure how *any* number circumvents the spendability problem |
| 20:06 |
billymg |
but also seems like there are people in this chan that have this solved |
| 20:06 |
billymg |
perhaps can share their secrets |
| 20:06 |
signpost |
one angle is that with a *usable artifact* TRB foundation gets rebooted and hires asciilifeform fulltime. no way in hell an ada implementation of bitcoin is not commercially useful, which'd mean there are parties willing to continue to fund TBF. |
| 20:07 |
signpost |
I have no idea what a spendability problem is. perhaps the IRS has singled out asciilifeform racist-ly. |
| 20:07 |
* |
signpost pays them their estimated payments, declares everything, etc. |
| 20:07 |
signpost |
but leaves that to personal business. |
| 20:08 |
billymg |
signpost: in that case any contribution to wotco comes with tax bill as well |
| 20:09 |
signpost |
if billymg finds me the place where receiving money comes without tax bill I'll move |
| 20:09 |
signpost |
:D |
| 20:09 |
billymg |
lol i wish i knew |
| 20:09 |
signpost |
in fact, as I think about it. |
| 20:09 |
signpost |
TBF ought to be a nonprofit which hires or contracts asciilifeform. |
| 20:10 |
billymg |
how about a religion? |
| 20:10 |
billymg |
it's already a cult |
| 20:10 |
signpost |
eh. I'm speaking of things that can actually happen. |
| 20:10 |
billymg |
i know i know, just joking |
| 20:10 |
thimbronion |
signpost: I'll be in the #aleth channel, once you get it running. |
| 20:10 |
signpost |
the assembled donate to this nonprofit. |
| 20:17 |
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asciilifeform may have catastrophically failed to explain himself, so will elaborate (tho a little surprised at the interest in subj! again must take off hat to the folx proposing such) |
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| 20:18 |
asciilifeform |
signpost: good % of asciilifeform's saecular work is not simply to buy bread, but so that he can have work (and on acceptable terms) 2,3,5y from nao. |
| 20:18 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-01#1055760 << to send'em off ~permanently~. |
| 20:18 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-09-01 16:00:00 billymg: i understood the 100 number to mean, can safely say "fuck you" to fiat clients for now |
| 20:19 |
signpost |
I totally understand, and respect that this takes priority. |
| 20:19 |
asciilifeform |
asciilifeform aint looking for 'a job'. (for that matter could already afford to 'take coupla yr off'. technically. but won't, because then will have to eat pistol when battery runs out) |
| 20:20 |
signpost |
a buy order can sit on the books for a long time, no? |
| 20:20 |
signpost |
if asciilifeform ever freed up, perhaps hired a minion in 2yrs, thought "why not finish the old art project", I'd still be interested in helping make it happen. |
| 20:21 |
asciilifeform |
also i suspect obvious, but asciilifeform aint any kind of monopolist on sense, or on writing proggies, and anyone who wants to try to assemble his published fragments into $proggy (via whatever means) is always welcome to |
| 20:21 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-09-01 15:59:46 signpost: practically speaking, I could hire an ada contractor for much less than that. |
| 20:21 |
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signpost can otherwise only contribute later himself, as also preoccupied with the battery problem. |
| 20:21 |
asciilifeform |
signpost: asciilifeform's curse+blessing is that he worx by holding entire proggy in head. |
| 20:21 |
asciilifeform |
so 2nd,..,nth pair of hands not nearly so useful as in normal saecular softs worx |
| 20:21 |
asciilifeform |
(from asciilifeform's pov strictly) |
| 20:23 |
signpost |
yep, I find I'm personally completely shit at "SLAM OUT N FEATURES BY NEXT WEEK" coding, such that I moved to another role professionally. |
| 20:23 |
signpost |
need to have eaten the thing enough to have a picture in my head before I can do anything remotely useful. |
| 20:24 |
* |
signpost went back to pentacle recently, and lol, something breaks, when it seemed hermetically sealed. |
| 20:25 |
signpost |
clearly cared about something I didn't anticipate, but what? libc? kernel version? environment variables that snuck through? behind on prayers to satan? |
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| 20:25 |
asciilifeform |
signpost: i'm in 'n features' and finding it very taxing on health, fwiw |
| 20:26 |
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asciilifeform admits to serious surprise that anyone wanted to make donations to him. (btw anyone (hy martians??!) who really wants to , is welcome to, there's pgp-signed addr on asciilifeform's www. will thank publicly, as did with mike_c's. simply, can't 'take off velocity' until ~100.) |
| 20:27 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-01#1055741 << in re ffa specifically i admit had though, 'maybe someone writes in and asks for commercial relicense' but this was naive, nobody in heathen world showed any symptoms of wanting such item, to date. |
| 20:27 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-09-01 15:51:07 signpost: the antilicense is great and all, but it creates problems for anyone who wants to hustle in the present world. |
| 20:27 |
asciilifeform |
*thought |
| 20:28 |
signpost |
at least in my experience, no such thing as writing in. somebody has to bang on doors. |
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| 20:28 |
asciilifeform |
fact is, ~software per se~ costs almost 0 to make. what costs ~infinity is ~correct and compact~ softs. but ~0 measurable demand in money-world. |
| 20:28 |
signpost |
would blow my mind if Kraken et al had *zero* use for an adanode |
| 20:29 |
asciilifeform |
signpost: think about it tho. what's the use of ada fixedtime rsa planted in the middle of 100GB of js liquishit. rather like inverse of proverbial 'submarine screen door'. |
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| 20:29 |
signpost |
really depends on how architected. |
| 20:29 |
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asciilifeform recalls meeting american cardboard-house inhabitants who bought multi-$k steel doors. similar |
| 20:30 |
asciilifeform |
'but look here, i can put my foot through the wall..' |
| 20:30 |
signpost |
lol, yup |
| 20:30 |
signpost |
hey, perhaps now's not the time. |
| 20:30 |
asciilifeform |
afaik defo not |
| 20:31 |
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signpost will be grunting himself to the woods over the coming year, and is grinding monthly expenses down and income up. |
| 20:31 |
asciilifeform |
neato |
| 20:31 |
signpost |
solar panels, canning, etc., even has a wife on his side in this project. |
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| 20:31 |
asciilifeform |
satellite antennae? |
| 20:31 |
signpost |
actually really interested in farting blox and txn over radio, yep. |
| 20:32 |
signpost |
maybe it takes until the "great mistake" and collapse, if we don't slow-grind downward for a century. |
| 20:32 |
* |
asciilifeform still has massive dipole antenna in crate, and buncha uwb stuff which never tested |
| 20:32 |
signpost |
if latter, I can still roll myself a joint. |
| 20:32 |
* |
asciilifeform really gotta clean up the maffs for this thing and publish before drowning |
| 20:33 |
asciilifeform |
( see also ) |
| 20:35 |
signpost |
much of my interest in error correcting codes has exactly to do with not losing the internet when the "daddy-hurt-me" monsters in government decide to lock that down. |
| 20:36 |
signpost |
and with the obvious interdiction risk in current BTC. |
| 20:36 |
signpost |
(when will the backbone start disappearing transactions to certain addresses? how can you prove it isn't already happening?) |
| 20:37 |
signpost |
and with the centralization of mining, quite obvious where to interdict |
| 20:38 |
billymg |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-01#1055806 << yeah, will always need a pete_dushenski or dorion out on the golf courses. i don't even think this is a bad thing, just gotta find one |
| 20:38 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-09-01 16:23:23 signpost: at least in my experience, no such thing as writing in. somebody has to bang on doors. |
| 20:38 |
asciilifeform |
even before fullbore internet of the future(tm)(r)(c) the bitcoin-over-plaintext-between-strangers thing is getting rather old |
| 20:38 |
signpost |
pete's a fucking faker; you don't need that. |
| 20:38 |
signpost |
and I don't know dorion. |
| 20:38 |
billymg |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-01#1055809 << this assumes kraken uses the same stack for its customers as it does for its cold storage |
| 20:38 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-09-01 16:24:16 asciilifeform: signpost: think about it tho. what's the use of ada fixedtime rsa planted in the middle of 100GB of js liquishit. rather like inverse of proverbial 'submarine screen door'. |
| 20:38 |
asciilifeform |
noades oughta be rsapeered. |
| 20:38 |
signpost |
businessmen *needn't be fakers*. that's an american trope. |
| 20:38 |
billymg |
signpost: just meant the extrovert/salesman type |
| 20:39 |
signpost |
yeah, just clarifying for logs. |
| 20:39 |
signpost |
the iterated prisoners' dilemma demands *non-fakers* |
| 20:39 |
signpost |
asciilifeform: indeed. |
| 20:39 |
asciilifeform |
aha, but 1st you gotta actually make it iterate; which is for what wot. |
| 20:39 |
signpost |
one of the weakest parts of the whole shitwad. |
| 20:40 |
asciilifeform |
signpost: imho even to ~demonstrate~ uninterdictable uwb across planet, would cool the ardour of the 'internet of the future' types, at minimal expense. |
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| 20:40 |
asciilifeform |
but this possibly 'not time yet' |
| 20:41 |
billymg |
signpost: there are two companies working hard to decentralize minging now: http://upstreamdata.ca and http://gam.ai |
| 20:41 |
bingoboingo |
asciilifeform In other developments border opened to non-resident property owners today. You may yet be able to arrange beach down here |
| 20:41 |
billymg |
mining* |
| 20:41 |
signpost |
if I can clonk fort asciilifeform, fort billymg, fort bv et al with packets, that'd be a happy day. |
| 20:42 |
asciilifeform |
billymg: sadly mining centralized because of idjit block-withholding-and-emptyblock-permitting algo, rather than because of mains current cost |
| 20:42 |
asciilifeform |
i.e. when over9000 little engines powering it, still incentive for all 9000 to belong to 1 entity |
| 20:43 |
asciilifeform |
it's a 'trbi-complete' problem, there |
| 20:44 |
asciilifeform |
bingoboingo: nifty. nao if only uy properties didn't cost like washington's.. |
| 20:45 |
bingoboingo |
Not if you want a whole hotel in Piriapolis |
| 20:45 |
asciilifeform |
bingoboingo: i imagine there's a discount when you buy by-the-continent too, lol |
| 20:45 |
asciilifeform |
bingoboingo: so didja buy hotel ? |
| 20:46 |
bingoboingo |
Don't know the business enough to have done so, suspect local real estate prices going to continue walking down |
| 20:49 |
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asciilifeform suspects that 'the thing to buy' in uy is that trade concession thing, or whatever it was that is the final solution to the weight-in-gold tax on modern tech there |
| 20:49 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-08-30 19:15:25 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-30#1054765 << aint so 'plenty' if also want e.g. 'ryzen' at sticker price and not at 200+% import duty. |
| 20:50 |
billymg |
asciilifeform: what's the trade concession? pay upfront for x years of tax free import or something? |
| 20:50 |
asciilifeform |
billymg: something similar, i dun recall the exact package, possibly bingoboingo does |
| 20:52 |
billymg |
bingoboingo: i still want to visit but last i checked there was still mandatory quarantine or similar that i couldn't stomach |
| 20:52 |
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billymg is still holding out for maskless travel |
| 20:52 |
bingoboingo |
billymg The rules on that are in flux for people who got poked |
| 20:53 |
billymg |
bingoboingo: yeah... also not personally interested in that either |
| 20:55 |
signpost |
I'm warming to mats position on masks. I look like I'm there to rob the place with black hat, black sunglasses, mask, beard. |
| 20:55 |
bingoboingo |
Understandable |
| 20:56 |
bingoboingo |
signpost: Ease of changing disguise too |
| 20:56 |
billymg |
signpost: lol, i haven't tested the bandana look here yet |
| 20:58 |
signpost |
also last time I flew, I just sipped the same beverage for hours |
| 20:58 |
signpost |
WHAT, STILL DRINKING |
| 20:59 |
billymg |
lol |
| 20:59 |
mats |
masks don't save the passenger next to me from having to smell my farts |
| 21:00 |
asciilifeform |
headline '2025: airlines' controversial but necessary buttplugs mandate!' |
| 21:00 |
billymg |
chartered flight don't require masks either, perhaps they'll take btc when exchg rate is $1mn |
| 21:01 |
billymg |
flights* |
| 21:01 |
asciilifeform |
billymg: it's funny how already 'errything takes btc', while in reality nuffin in reich |
| 21:01 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-08-31 20:42:21 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-31#1055569 << where's the mystery? see from horse's mouth, e.g. paypal's www : 'Checking out with crypto is a taxable transaction / Because it’s an asset, it will first be sold whenever you checkout with crypto and the cash will be used to pay the merchant. You have to report any gains or losses on the cr |
| 21:02 |
billymg |
i think it's funny how ridiculously obvious it is that the mask thing is a class signifier |
| 21:02 |
mats |
one time i farted in a communal shower after dinner and someone threw up |
| 21:02 |
asciilifeform |
lol! |
| 21:02 |
mats |
a treasured memory |
| 21:02 |
asciilifeform |
mats: what didja eat ? |
| 21:03 |
mats |
nothing special, pasta veg meat iirc |
| 21:03 |
asciilifeform |
unrepeatable feat of talent, then! |
| 21:03 |
billymg |
mats: veggies and meat or veggiemeat? |
| 21:03 |
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asciilifeform reminded of his father's tales from '60s su army |
| 21:04 |
mats |
billymg: former |
| 21:09 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-09-01#1055800 << very curious; paste eggog plz when you get a chance, signpost |
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| 21:09 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-09-01 16:20:24 signpost: clearly cared about something I didn't anticipate, but what? libc? kernel version? environment variables that snuck through? behind on prayers to satan? |
| 21:11 |
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asciilifeform must bbl |