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00:04 billymg regarding operating systems, i searched in the logs for any mention of 'grapheneOS' and found none. my gut tells me it's not much better than off the shelf android, and perhaps worse because it gives you a false sense of security whereas with stock you're conscious of the fact it's already pwned
00:05 billymg has anyone here ever looked into it or tried it out?
00:18 signpost nope, but personally my phone's one of the "eh, fuck it" devices.
00:18 signpost satan's coming in through the cell chip, not the OS
00:19 signpost iirc graphene's one of the distros that rips out the google services, and builds with a hardened toolchain, that sort of thing?
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00:37 billymg signpost: i figured as much. i bought a couple of these from a local shop just in case, but yeah, i'm sure they still suffer from this only with less convenience
00:37 dulapbot Logged on 2021-08-28 20:13:59 signpost: satan's coming in through the cell chip, not the OS
00:38 billymg i figure they might be useful if i can find a bum to buy some sim cards for me, but also don't think i'm all that interesting at the moment to warrant the effort
00:39 billymg http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-28#1054314 << basically it from what i can see on their www
00:39 dulapbot Logged on 2021-08-28 20:15:19 signpost: iirc graphene's one of the distros that rips out the google services, and builds with a hardened toolchain, that sort of thing?
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07:13 vex [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-27#1054163] better get two
07:13 dulapbot Logged on 2021-08-27 14:54:52 shinohai: Does precisely what I need it to do.
07:21 vex boofhead
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07:59 vex [http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-27#1054141] <<< theres a nonzero chance mp glanced off the ionoshpre on his way to heaven
07:59 dulapbot Logged on 2021-08-27 14:33:41 asciilifeform: mildly curious wtf this is for (if anyffin) -- finished 'by inertia' after hitlerkaput? or eulorism still in some sense going (funded by whom?) or what
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08:19 vex hanbot et all can be happy with thier new tis, but they must aknowlege the possibility
08:20 vex sunday session with vex
08:22 vex if you can feek em bae, let a bee sting it
08:32 vex https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gdhXTi7Tx8
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08:52 vex https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjAta8xLg3M
08:59 vex https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMRYIRnVhlE
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09:15 vex https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgK21zCLdf8 @ alf
09:19 vex sunday sessions
09:20 vex 0RJwW77Lsj8
09:20 vex go go google
09:21 vex https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNPA68htGxk
09:25 vex https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-XjUHr3hzU so emo
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18:10 thestringpuller shinohai: when did you become a coomer? (referencing twitter)
18:20 shinohai thestringpuller: When have I *not* been is the real question?
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18:36 billymg asciilifeform: i've got a pretty clean new box now using upstream along with your ban list (typing from weechat on here currently) but it seems X requires dbus so i'm sort of stuck there at the moment
18:39 billymg it looks like at one point you had a recipe for configuring X without dbus but the referenced paste is dead now
18:39 dulapbot (trilema) 2016-03-03 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the given magic will take you to, e.g., fully-functioning x11 emacs, irc clients, etc. that build sans dbus.
18:41 billymg i'm trying to decide if it's worth it for this box (again, this is going to be for doing bitdash and mp-wp development, doesn't have to be military grade) or if i should just unmask dbus
18:46 asciilifeform billymg: you include "-dbus" in USE and when emerging things, --nodeps , and resolve all (yes) config eggogs manually.
18:46 asciilifeform which is why took asciilifeform weeks.
18:47 asciilifeform billymg: neither xorg nor any of its deps ~actually~ link against it (in fact i'm not certain that it even comes with linkable libs), the dependency is bogus
18:48 asciilifeform another way to resolve it would be to manually edit it out of the ports (and then rehash'em) but i did the long way.
18:49 billymg asciilifeform: thanks. qq re: USE flags in make.conf: after changing, `emerge --newuse` sufficient to load new values?
18:49 billymg or does --newuse apply to something else
18:49 asciilifeform billymg: i normally 'source /etc/make.conf' and ordinary emerge.
18:50 asciilifeform alternatively can USE="..." emerge... on commandline.
18:50 asciilifeform billymg: keep in mind that virtually all emerge --nodeps ... attempts fail on 1st (2nd... 10th..) try
18:50 asciilifeform you end up manually doing the work of the deps resolver
18:51 billymg asciilifeform: got it, i had already included a -dbus flag in USE and got the same error. will try with --nodeps
18:51 asciilifeform ( why do this ? well, on a well-used gentoo box, with decade+ of upstream rot as well, the resolver doesn't work worth half a shit, goes in endless circles... )
18:52 asciilifeform gentoo, 'the worst' linux, 'except for all the others'(tm)
18:53 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-29#1054340 << >> https://archive.is/VA3ov
18:53 dulapbot Logged on 2021-08-29 14:35:12 billymg: it looks like at one point you had a recipe for configuring X without dbus but the referenced paste is dead now
18:54 shinohai I always use `-p` flag before emergin package to see what shit it's gonna pull in and see if I can tweak USE flags, etc. accordingly.
18:54 asciilifeform shinohai: this is only useful on a box where no circular wedges
18:54 asciilifeform ( on mind it nets a 5+min wheel spinning and 3km of barfola )
18:54 asciilifeform *mine
18:58 asciilifeform asciilifeform's verdict from his recent experiments is that yes -- it ~is~ possible to bake a 'gentoo as it was in 2007' 100% working item, outta the current morass. but not trivially, and to keep it functioning is full-time work for at least 2 people.
18:59 asciilifeform ('functioning' here meaning 'installable in the traditional gentoo way', vs. freezedried dulap-style binary image)
19:00 asciilifeform (... and with working portage tree)
19:00 asciilifeform these two people do not exist, and so there aint gonna be such a gentoo.
19:01 shinohai :(
19:01 asciilifeform ( there's limitless supply of liquishit, tho, if you need it for sumthing!! )
19:03 billymg asciilifeform: configure: error: systemd-logind requested, but D-Bus is not installed.
19:03 asciilifeform billymg: you gotta ban it
19:03 billymg ^ after a few rounds of manually installing missing deps
19:03 asciilifeform how, was linked in log, lemme find
19:03 asciilifeform here iirc
19:03 dulapbot Logged on 2021-08-05 15:41:05 asciilifeform: 'Get ride of systemd-tmpfiles'
19:05 asciilifeform ( do NOT permit systemd-logind, it is a supposedly-neutered but in fact complete copy of systemd , that the traitorous gentoo maintainers force-install on explicitly 'non-systemd' setup)
19:08 asciilifeform billymg: asciilifeform's /etc/portage/package.mask/systemd , for reference.
19:09 * asciilifeform sick and tired of the expiring pastes; signpost do you suppose it's possible to mark pastes which appear in log as non-expiring..?
19:09 * asciilifeform will paste, for perma-log:
19:09 asciilifeform sys-apps/systemd
19:09 asciilifeform sys-apps/systemd-tmpfiles
19:09 asciilifeform sys-fs/udev
19:09 asciilifeform sys-auth/polkit
19:09 asciilifeform sys-auth/consolekit
19:09 asciilifeform virtual/tmpfiles
19:09 asciilifeform sys-apps/dbus
19:10 billymg ty asciilifeform
19:10 asciilifeform billymg: np
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19:28 asciilifeform $ticker btc usd
19:28 busybot Current BTC price in USD: $48850.55
19:28 asciilifeform !w poll
19:28 watchglass Polling 17 nodes...
19:28 watchglass 185.85.38.54:8333 : Could not connect!
19:28 watchglass 84.16.46.130:8333 : Could not connect!
19:28 watchglass 185.163.46.29:8333 : Could not connect!
19:28 watchglass 205.134.172.4:8333 : (172-4.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.082s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=698168
19:28 watchglass 205.134.172.26:8333 : Alive: (0.081s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=698167
19:28 watchglass 54.39.156.171:8333 : (ns562940.ip-54-39-156.net) Alive: (0.114s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=698168
19:28 watchglass 205.134.172.6:8333 : (172-6.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.094s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=698167
19:28 watchglass 54.38.94.63:8333 : (ns3140226.ip-54-38-94.eu) Alive: (0.257s) V=88888 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.8.88.88/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=698168
19:28 watchglass 143.202.160.10:8333 : Alive: (0.294s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=698168
19:29 watchglass 213.109.238.156:8333 : Alive: (0.332s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=698168
19:29 watchglass 208.94.240.42:8333 : Alive: (0.700s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=698168
19:29 watchglass 205.134.172.27:8333 : Alive: (0.090s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=698167 (Operator: asciilifeform)
19:29 watchglass 205.134.172.28:8333 : Alive: (0.539s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=698168 (Operator: whaack)
19:29 watchglass 71.191.220.241:8333 : (pool-71-191-220-241.washdc.fios.verizon.net) Alive: (0.554s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=698167 (Operator: asciilifeform)
19:29 watchglass 103.36.92.112:8333 : (terebe.ns01.net) Alive: (0.884s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=698167
19:29 watchglass 176.9.59.199:8333 : Violated BTC Protocol: Bad header length! (Operator: jurov)
19:30 watchglass 192.151.158.26:8333 : Busy? (No answer in 100 sec.)
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20:04 signpost asciilifeform: no, I'm not hosting pastes forever.
20:05 asciilifeform signpost: fair'nuff. asciilifeform would happily emplace said script on own box, however, if signpost publishes same.
20:05 asciilifeform wat's the grand total mass of pastes to date (incl. #t era) ? i'd be surprised if even 1GB
20:06 asciilifeform ( ideally the way it oughta work is, paste GC'd in, say, 5min, unless link appears in log )
20:09 signpost hasn't to do with weight, but with denying endless resource usage to all-comers.
20:09 signpost and yeah, you can have the paste script. will snag for ya in a bit.
20:09 asciilifeform not urgent matter imho
20:09 asciilifeform but is ftr on asciilifeform's multi-km 'wish list'
20:12 * asciilifeform bbl
20:13 signpost asciilifeform: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=nuqY
20:13 signpost lulzily simple, oughta be able to drop it into a dir on your blog box or something.
20:15 signpost (also, somebody just write an even-shitty DHT, and let that be the proper archival location for all time)
20:15 * signpost rowing in that direction also, but imho better for many candidates for infrastructure than 0 or 1.
20:21 asciilifeform signpost: ty!
20:22 asciilifeform loox pretty simple. ( the gc part i expect , will be the tricky bit, when i finally get a chance to do this.. )
20:23 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-29#1054419 << ftr, imho the pill here.
20:23 dulapbot Logged on 2021-08-29 16:10:22 signpost: (also, somebody just write an even-shitty DHT, and let that be the proper archival location for all time)
20:23 dulapbot Logged on 2021-08-27 14:55:03 asciilifeform: ftr the properly generalized item vtron is a shadow of, looks like this, rather than like 'git' etc abortions.
20:23 dulapbot Logged on 2020-03-19 12:32:20 asciilifeform: why the hell is a typical public www bound to 1 box? specifically, why could not exist as an auto-mirrorable directory of signed material ?
20:23 signpost 100%
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22:23 billymg well, some progress...
22:24 billymg i used that guy's guide to rebuild openrc from his custom ebuild, then used his xorg ebuild and was able to build that as well
22:26 billymg i think something might've gotten fucked up with ncurses though, i'm seeing strange/stuck characters in weechat and links, e.g. │
22:30 billymg also, i'm now trying to get startx actually working, and looking at the gentoo guide for non-root-x it seems like i need to have at least elogind (which i think i removed because the xorg-server ebuild on his github wanted to pull in dbus if either systemd or elogind were present)
22:36 billymg ahh, it's some | like character being displayed as a 'aOA' (but with ^ accents over each letter), among other strangeness
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23:24 billymg ok, fixed that by rebuilding his openrc but with unicode support
23:24 dulapbot Logged on 2021-08-29 18:22:06 billymg: i think something might've gotten fucked up with ncurses though, i'm seeing strange/stuck characters in weechat and links, e.g. │
23:24 billymg now back to figuring out non-root xorg...
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23:43 billymg ok, that wasn't too difficult. found this item and recompiled xorg-server with suid
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