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08:37 punkman https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/19/united-wholesale-mortgage-will-accept-bitcoin-other-cryptocurrency.html
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14:44 asciilifeform punkman: superficially interesting (and maybe even useful to foreigners who want to buy up cheap usa lands, for whatever reason) but for folx actually living in usa, is a tax trap.
14:47 asciilifeform punkman: in usa, if you have any kind of official presence there, when you buy xyz for coin from a usg.corp, they file a 'form 1099' tax report to declare that you've 'sold' coin and received its usd equiv. as 'income' (whether or not it in fact sold in the usual sense) and you eventually get a bill for up to half (!) of the sum.
14:47 asciilifeform ... plus interest and penalties.
14:49 asciilifeform ( normally the exact amt of the tax depends on the mass of coin 'sold' in this way; but for even the smallest real estate yer going straight to the max tax rate )
14:50 asciilifeform IANAL but this appears to be the current regime. and expect worse in future.
14:50 asciilifeform $ticker btc usd
14:50 busybot Current BTC price in USD: $48299.39
14:50 asciilifeform !w poll
14:50 watchglass Polling 17 nodes...
14:50 watchglass 84.16.46.130:8333 : Could not connect!
14:50 watchglass 185.85.38.54:8333 : Could not connect!
14:50 watchglass 185.163.46.29:8333 : Could not connect!
14:50 watchglass 205.134.172.26:8333 : Alive: (0.090s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=697536
14:50 watchglass 205.134.172.6:8333 : (172-6.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.081s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=697536
14:50 watchglass 205.134.172.27:8333 : Alive: (0.084s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=697536 (Operator: asciilifeform)
14:50 watchglass 205.134.172.4:8333 : (172-4.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.086s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=697536
14:50 watchglass 54.39.156.171:8333 : (ns562940.ip-54-39-156.net) Alive: (0.111s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=697535
14:50 watchglass 205.134.172.28:8333 : Alive: (0.086s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=697536 (Operator: whaack)
14:50 watchglass 208.94.240.42:8333 : Alive: (0.099s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=697536
14:50 watchglass 143.202.160.10:8333 : Alive: (0.173s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=697536
14:50 watchglass 54.38.94.63:8333 : (ns3140226.ip-54-38-94.eu) Alive: (0.258s) V=88888 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.8.88.88/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=697535
14:50 watchglass 213.109.238.156:8333 : Alive: (0.400s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=697536
14:50 watchglass 71.191.220.241:8333 : (pool-71-191-220-241.washdc.fios.verizon.net) Alive: (0.584s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=697536 (Operator: asciilifeform)
14:51 watchglass 176.9.59.199:8333 : Violated BTC Protocol: Bad header length! (Operator: jurov)
14:51 watchglass 103.36.92.112:8333 : Violated BTC Protocol: Bad header length!
14:52 watchglass 192.151.158.26:8333 : Busy? (No answer in 100 sec.)
14:53 asciilifeform meanwhile, this fella replies. if he appears while asciilifeform is out, folx, plox to set a table for him.
14:53 dulapbot Logged on 2021-08-24 17:16:39 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in misc. oddities.
14:57 shinohai asciilifeform: I spoke to this guy on Telegram not long after news of MP's death spread - pretty sure I told him "the logs are your friend" in regards to his Trilema research.
14:57 shinohai (As I understand guy wants to do an extended piece on MP and #t history or somesuch)
14:57 asciilifeform shinohai: from reading his twatter, i got impression that he did not even know of the current logs www.
14:57 asciilifeform (his links were strictly to phf's)
14:58 asciilifeform which i suppose if yer interested strictly in eras 0 -- 2 , mostly adequate
14:59 shinohai AH I had linked him to *both* for completeness
14:59 asciilifeform aite
15:00 shinohai "http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/ has the entire old snapshot, but also logs asciilifeform's current chan now" <<< from my Telegram convo with him.
15:00 shinohai As I understand, hanbot sent him packing so he *may* show up here, who knows.
15:01 asciilifeform the publication he seems to represent is a rather tedious and historically unsavoury (shilled for mtgox, for instance, iirc) item, but i don't begrudge him log search pointers or whatever small thing he likely wanted.
15:02 * asciilifeform will bbl
15:02 shinohai Same, though I may have come off nonchalant to the guy - there was no end to curious PM's from folks I had no time to entertain.
15:09 asciilifeform lol shinohai , you fell on this grenade, must be, they all came to you -- and none here
15:11 shinohai I think I'm one of the few persons in logs that has heathen web presence. ^_^
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15:44 signpost somebody doing the netflix documentary eh? lol
15:46 asciilifeform shinohai: iirc thimbronion also does twatter etc
15:46 asciilifeform signpost: clickbaitflix or sumthing
15:46 * signpost belches his disinterest.
15:47 signpost asciilifeform: your "broken algo was *always* broken" has been sinking further into my skull of late. it's a broad and profound statement, if also obvious.
15:49 signpost specifically, what use is there in documenting the history of a failed escape from communism, except to give the communists a bedtime cautionary tale.
15:53 thimbronion Wasn't there something in the logs about the importance of documenting failures as well as successes? "This didn't work."
15:55 signpost
15:55 signpost whoops.
15:55 signpost thimbronion: not saying don't document. it is documented.
15:56 signpost here, in urbit, elsewhere, the neofeudal larping fails.
16:02 signpost I suppose I ought've been more specific. document to the inmates.
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16:58 asciilifeform signpost: asciilifeform aint an aficionado of 'simple moral of the story' but would, if must, say it were rather 'talking about escape != escape'
16:59 asciilifeform and moar generally 'talking about x != doing x'.
17:00 asciilifeform and secondarily, that what 'we' were doing primarily was stroking a maniac's ego, and that anything else was done -- strictly incidental byproduct. and at all times maniac was struggling to optimize for 'moar product, less byproduct'.
17:01 asciilifeform (see apropos.)
17:01 dulapbot Logged on 2020-03-25 17:10:19 asciilifeform: meanwhile in mp lulz : open admission of 'always hated the lot of you, only tolerated while ego was properly stroked'
17:07 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-25#1053749 << imho there are two separate things worth documenting -- 1) the few worthwhile things we did and still worth doing (e.g. trb) 2) the atrocities (see above.)
17:07 dulapbot Logged on 2021-08-25 11:44:38 signpost: specifically, what use is there in documenting the history of a failed escape from communism, except to give the communists a bedtime cautionary tale.
17:07 asciilifeform for asciilifeform , interest of (1) strictly outranks (2), and life is short.
17:11 asciilifeform ( on top of this -- the atrocities are largely self-documenting. hypothetical archaeologists can read the very same log , and watch with own eyes mp blithering re the divine right of sociopaths to rule, or making three order of magnitude arithmetical mistakes, or discussing breaking a working otp, or the denoument of s.nsa, etc. and make monkey noises w/out any prompting or 'folger's notes' from anyone )
17:14 asciilifeform already his texts 'torn apart for quotes' (orcish term) a la aristotle, folx will make memecats of the 'sexy' ('a is a!') and try to ignore the batshit (analogous to aristotle's teeth-countings, insects with 4 legs, etc)
17:19 asciilifeform hello jon . who might you be ?
17:21 jon hi
17:21 jon just a reader of your blog thing
17:21 asciilifeform welcome to #a , jon . i presume you already know about the searchable logs.
17:22 jon thanks, indeed, thats how i hacked my way into dulapnet
17:22 asciilifeform ... yours ?
17:22 jon yes
17:22 asciilifeform a++
17:23 jon tyvm!
17:23 asciilifeform jon: say a little re your interest subjs ?
17:24 jon coding, electronics, fixing shit etc
17:25 jon dunno
17:25 asciilifeform was looking at yer coad, but not easy to guess what was for (signal processor??)
17:25 jon ah
17:26 jon this is the piss pouring coding task
17:26 asciilifeform some what appear to be kernelisms also. but i'ma let jon tell about own items if/when he feels like.
17:27 jon me and some buddys make these little competitions sometimes
17:28 asciilifeform jon: if not mega-seekrit : what part of the planet are you from / in ?
17:28 jon hehe, not much to say about it. mostly dumb stuff but im learning
17:28 jon norway
17:28 asciilifeform a! naggumistan!
17:28 asciilifeform neato.
17:29 jon exactly exactly
17:29 jon should start using the correct terminology
17:29 asciilifeform again if not seekrit, whatchae do for a living, jon ? petrodrill programming?
17:30 jon nah just a humble NEET loser atm
17:31 asciilifeform a so a free man, neato.
17:32 shinohai Being NEET a step above working in socialist saltmines I'd say.
17:32 asciilifeform shinohai: three steps.
17:32 jon couldnt agree more
17:33 * asciilifeform programs for money, but jon probably knew this already.
17:35 jon money is cool
17:36 asciilifeform at any rate, jon , don't hesitate to speak, this is a quite low-traffic chan. when replying to threads plz link to the log, and use the [link][annotation] device whenever practical, for readability, and realize that folx can reply hours, days, weeks, later, in log.
17:37 asciilifeform jon: also make liberal use of the 'all chans' log search button; just about any subj you may be interested in is likely to have a multi-year history.
17:37 jon allright thanks, will keep in mind
17:43 asciilifeform jon: re 'money is cool', tip from old man : 'is cool' when you're efficient and don't really need it, and run across a fat bag of it. but less cool if you come to rely on it, and need regularly 'to pay bills'.
17:47 jon ye makes sense
17:49 asciilifeform and http://zzz.st/oketrains/ loox interesting.
17:50 jon thank you thank you, oketrains are the future
17:50 asciilifeform 'if you stel this idea u wil auto maticaly sign a legaly binding agrement to be KILED vith death and al acumulated profits (likely in the trilions) wil be transfered to me' -- curious didja come up with this yerself or cribbed from mp's thing ?
17:52 jon i didnt crib it believe it or not, this document was carefully drafted in mspaint (winxp edition obviously) prior to my encounter with your ffa series
17:52 asciilifeform well the 'license' text is from a different fella, i stole it. but a++ !
17:53 asciilifeform 'the railroad is invented when it's railroadin' time' or did it go
17:53 jon yeah i see, well stolen
17:54 jon it sure is
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18:37 punkman http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-25#1053703 << I think it's pretty similar in EU, but haven't looked recently
18:37 dulapbot Logged on 2021-08-25 10:42:23 asciilifeform: punkman: in usa, if you have any kind of official presence there, when you buy xyz for coin from a usg.corp, they file a 'form 1099' tax report to declare that you've 'sold' coin and received its usd equiv. as 'income' (whether or not it in fact sold in the usual sense) and you eventually get a bill for up to half (!) of the sum.
18:38 asciilifeform punkman: iirc in germany 'long hodl' btc exempt from tax. but again ianal.
18:38 asciilifeform ( how one goes about Officially proving 'length of hodl' is also unknown to asciilifeform )
18:39 punkman whatever they come up with is gonna have more holes than swiss cheese
18:42 punkman last few years I've had to pay income tax even though I declared "loss" at end of accounting period
18:43 asciilifeform punkman: afaik in all reich satrapies tax liability is 'guilty until proven innocent'
18:43 asciilifeform punkman: it's, roughly, what killed naggum, for instance.
18:43 dulapbot (trilema) 2014-09-24 asciilifeform: http://perpelle.wordpress.com/artikler-og-leserinnlegg/erik-naggum-in-memoriam/#comment-145 << aha this is where it was. (story of naggum and his death by tax.)
18:43 dulapbot (trilema) 2014-09-21 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3129896583995790@naggum.no.html << naggum & the tax men
18:44 punkman didn't have to pay this year, maybe because covid, didn't care enough to figure it out
18:45 punkman it goes something likes this "if you are walking and breathing, you need at least 4000 euros to exist, so we will imagine you made 4k, even though you had loss of 2k, and you will pay tax on 4k"
18:46 asciilifeform punkman: the Official presumption that savings dun exist (and so you couldn't possibly have lived on'em) is perhaps recent but moar or less universal and not even baseless
18:48 asciilifeform re 'holes' -- they work only for the enemy. (i.e the people for whom you are even being taxed to begin with)
18:48 dulapbot Logged on 2021-07-09 16:23:18 asciilifeform: the whole 'offshore' thing is as old as income taxation (which from day 1 was simply a lizard ploy to hamstring the middle class -- and a successful one)
18:49 asciilifeform whoever thinks otherwise, will eventually learn on own skin.
18:51 asciilifeform gonna paste the naggum thing , for perma-log :
18:51 asciilifeform via Pernille Nylehn (his ex) : 'I don’t think I’m revealing a big secret when I tell you that Erik ran in to very serious problemes with the Norwegian IRS. Very serious. They claimed he had earned more than he’d reported to them, and he claimed he didn’t. I absolutely think he was innocent, he was very particular about truth.
18:51 asciilifeform But you can’t argue with the IRS. They are always right.
18:51 asciilifeform 'Erik of course, argued. For years and years. And he wouldn’t pay ANY tax because they were so unreasonable. And then of course he did become guilty of tax evasion, and their tax claim just grew and grew. As a refsult, he couldn’t own anything because it would be confiscated, couldn’t earn money because they would take most of it … and so on. After some years, everything in his life was influenced, and poisoned
18:51 asciilifeform , by this. I won’t say he was paranoid, but he became very wary and suspicious, and had real trouble trusting people. And his medical condition just got worse and worse because of this situaton.'
18:51 asciilifeform 'I think I’ve said enough. And I think this is enough for you to understand why he turned som bitter and forlorn.'
18:53 asciilifeform and lulzily, apparently there's mp comment in there.
18:55 punkman norway is different planet from where I'm sitting. Doctor appointment today: player's choice, 200 with debit card, 150 cash
18:56 asciilifeform similar iirc in current ro, or ru, or bingoboingostan. a++ if you have the 150/200
18:57 asciilifeform the numerator aint very informative, tho, w/out the denominator.
18:58 asciilifeform for instance this figure (assuming eur) is roughly same as typical orc's month's pay in these locales.
18:59 punkman there are people here working 4h/day supermarket job for 450 gross / ~200 net
18:59 punkman I don't even know how that can work
19:00 asciilifeform punkman: dole with work-camp component. we have these in usa also.
19:00 asciilifeform it aint 'employment' in the usual sense of the word, neither of us likely could get that 'work'
19:00 punkman few might get 100-200 in welfare,
19:00 asciilifeform workfare.
19:00 asciilifeform (i.e. 'workwashed' handout)
19:01 punkman actually, no they wouldn't even get welfare, unless they were unregistered workers, which supermarkets don't do
19:02 asciilifeform punkman: what i meant is, the 'job' is a handout disguised as a job
19:02 punkman when I meet one of these, I tell them they'd make more begging in less time
19:02 asciilifeform and aint avail. to allcomers
19:03 punkman that ~250 going to social security sure tastes different when public hospitals tell you come back in 6 months
19:04 asciilifeform the notion that people 'taxed for own good' is thinner than the cardboard american plebehousing is built from.
19:04 asciilifeform only children (and perhaps down's syndrome sufferers) believe such thing.
19:06 asciilifeform you are taxed to pay for 1) bezos's (gate's, abromovich's, berlusconi's, mp's) yacht 2) the men to shoot you if you try to go near it (or slow about paying) 3) vermin to infest your street to goad you into paying higher rent (or real estate), another type of tax .
19:06 asciilifeform that's the alpha and omega of tax.
19:15 asciilifeform ( see also. )
19:19 asciilifeform ( and -- apparently this ancient 'memecat' has all kindsa modern-day variations ! )
19:27 * asciilifeform bbl
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19:47 gregory4 asciilifeform: this discussion makes me wonder what % of jobs out there (both low- and high-paying) have element of sinecure.
20:00 gregory4 http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-09#1044577 << does it not follow then that the America of the 1800s was a less exploitative and more honest society than that of today?
20:00 dulapbot Logged on 2021-07-09 16:23:18 asciilifeform: the whole 'offshore' thing is as old as income taxation (which from day 1 was simply a lizard ploy to hamstring the middle class -- and a successful one)
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20:34 verisimilitude Hello, jon.
20:35 verisimilitude It may be found amusing, gregory4, that I saw the word ``pedicure'' recently, and realized its Latin origin from pes/pedes (foot) care; this had me immediately realize ``manicure'' is from manus (hand) care and ``sinecure'' from (without) care.
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21:05 jon hey verisimilitude
21:15 scoopbot New post on Thimbron: Alcuin 9995: propagate field
21:26 bingoboingo http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-25#1053835 << Bingostan psychiatrist 2000 pesos/hour cash rate. Bingostan dental cleanin/exam 1100 pesos cash price. 1 USD today buys 42 pesos
21:26 dulapbot Logged on 2021-08-25 14:52:07 asciilifeform: similar iirc in current ro, or ru, or bingoboingostan. a++ if you have the 150/200
21:28 bingoboingo http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-25#1053858 << Yes, fucking off to the woods and building your own America your way was still an option
21:28 dulapbot Logged on 2021-08-25 15:56:08 gregory4: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-09#1044577 << does it not follow then that the America of the 1800s was a less exploitative and more honest society than that of today?
21:36 bingoboingo http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-25#1053728 << Dunno how much table can be set. MP was a very capable librarian of his own thoughts, offered an extensive publicly readable notebook in Trilema. Do I answer his queries in Trilema/Log links?
21:36 dulapbot Logged on 2021-08-25 10:48:50 asciilifeform: meanwhile, this fella replies. if he appears while asciilifeform is out, folx, plox to set a table for him.
21:50 bingoboingo http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-25#1053744 << If someone is doing the [insert streaming service] documentary, I would be happy to film my part in the style used by Bo Burnham in his most recent project, including musical numbers.
21:50 dulapbot Logged on 2021-08-25 11:39:51 signpost: somebody doing the netflix documentary eh? lol
21:56 * bingoboingo starting to come to the position that the moment the 20th century went to shit was Nixon's war on drugs. The transition from prop planes in the 1950's to moon rockets and the SR-71 was likely fueled entirely by easy over the counter availability of stimulants
22:00 thimbronion How does asciilifeform envision transmitting presence status of already connected IRC clients to clients newly connecting on a different node?
22:02 thimbronion in alcuin-9995, doesn't matter if your client is aware of everyone in the chan, the message still gets through. But it would be nice to see who's in the channel somewhat reliably.
22:11 bingoboingo thimbronion: I wouldn't call MP cancelled. In the vocabulary of folks who talk like that "cancelled" is a sort of exile for the living. Having died MP instead is merely "Problematic" now. Problematic means they are allowed to engage is good ideas, but only by presenting how he was "problematic" alongside. "Cancelling" of historic figures is simply a fringe tactic that they use to make their "cancelling" of the
22:11 bingoboingo living seem reasonable.
22:13 thimbronion bingoboingo: problematic is apt.
22:14 bingoboingo Dating has become much easier since I embraced being problematic irl
22:18 signpost bingoboingo: that bo burnham special was outstanding imho
22:18 thimbronion bingoboingo: ¿por ejemplo?
22:19 signpost and yeah, nixon has a lot of blame to lay at his feet. wrecked the currency also.
22:19 bingoboingo signpost I've spent a substantial portion of the last year doing something not all that different live on camera, only recently decided to start actually recording and editing
22:20 signpost yeah, caught a few of your youtubes. gonzo-ing around UY seems like it would be pretty fun.
22:21 signpost can show all the derps still in the zone (like me) what being free(r) looks like.
22:21 * signpost bbl
22:21 bingoboingo thimbronion: Smart university girls with English language learned from TV get impressed by how I say shit they've been told is bad
22:24 punkman https://archive.is/Nsisq "Blockstream plans to launch a new crypto miner in the third quarter of 2022, said Chief Executive Officer Adam Back in emailed comments. That “will be very disruptive as traditionally miners are made in Asia,”"
22:24 punkman also "raised $210 million as part of a Series B financing, giving it a valuation of $3.2 billion. "
22:35 mats can you actually send tx with a blockstream kit?
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23:49 punkman mats: you mean their satellite thing?
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