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00:44 vex did you go to Afghanistan mats? I've seen it from a jetliner window, the place looks epicly ancient
00:53 vex asciiliform, do you have evidence of usg moving the price, or is that a synonym for free market fuckery
01:00 vex did I read that the scraps from mtgx are finally detting didtrubuted? was that in the logs?
01:01 asciilifeform vex: what wouldja accept as 'evidence' ?
01:04 vex dunno, to me it's bltantly evident that a big stack can influence the price
01:04 asciilifeform for asciilifeform , e.g. the destruction of (at this point, just about all) non-usg-controlled goxes (e.g. btc-e), the entirely open, as matter of policy, practice of selling ALL confiscated btc, the massive 'sell wall' that materializes whenever exchrate begins to climb, are evidence enuff.
01:04 asciilifeform vex: there's exactly one entity with a ~neverending~ infinitely large stack -- the confiscator bandit.
01:04 vex wallet inspector
01:04 asciilifeform aha.
01:05 asciilifeform vex: and reich not only confiscates, but prints.
01:05 dulapbot Logged on 2020-05-05 19:56:14 asciilifeform: it worx because there's a neverending supply of a) dumb shits who see 'paper gold' as == to actual b) greedy shits who want 'leverage'
01:06 asciilifeform papercoin.
01:09 vex back in the day, all the bc was held by individuals, who are obstensively technically competent
01:09 asciilifeform reich also aids in the proliferation of shitcoins (not the least of this aid is the non-prosecution of the perps, who, if they had carried out equiv. fraud using traditional paper, would sit with madoff) -- so as to siphon juice away from btc.
01:09 dulapbot Logged on 2021-08-07 17:51:40 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-07#1050571 << would be quite astonishing, given that ethertardium is usg's de-facto flagship shitcoin
01:14 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-16#1052661 << at the risk of repeating the obvious -- the roomtemp iq folx have fundamental problems, usg won't need to shoot'em, can cancel their wallmart.welfare.cards any day of the week and they know it. monsantoburgers dun grow on trees (not that iq70 folx necessarily remember how to plant a tree. or that one'd grow in their blightlands if were to be planted..)
01:14 dulapbot Logged on 2021-08-16 18:31:28 billymg: the people in red states who hate the feds and want to defend themselves with their rifles
01:16 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-16#1052663 << homo redstateicus aint 'indigenous people'. for that matter, the inhabitants of vodka reservations aint, in the desired sense, either. utterly dependent on the palace for erry necessity of life, large and small.
01:16 dulapbot Logged on 2021-08-16 18:34:50 billymg: demonstrates that an indigenous people can defend themselves against a much more technically advanced and well funded adversary
01:16 dulapbot Logged on 2021-05-24 18:40:16 asciilifeform: 'if you want food, and try to buy it from a farmer, the penalty is death by jaguars. you gotta go to the palace and if you're a good boy, the food dispensary will dispense you your allotted portion of gruel'
01:17 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-16#1052676 << or possibly simply to churn inventory.
01:17 dulapbot Logged on 2021-08-16 18:51:54 mats: the generous view is that us involvement in afg was for some misguided, overpriced strategic depth, to stymie pakistan and china
01:17 vex jaguars are no joke
01:18 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-16#1052680 << usg 'bringing them home' for the obvious coming 'pacifications' in north amer.
01:18 dulapbot Logged on 2021-08-16 19:04:33 billymg: in that case sounds like the area just ran out of usefulness, in which case hard to chalk it up as a loss
01:19 billymg asciilifeform: that was one of my first thoughts as well, aim 'em at the "domestic terrorists"
01:21 asciilifeform billymg: from last yr's 'police leaks' -- usg more or less openly gearing for 'counter-insurgency'(tm)(r) on own soil
01:22 billymg http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-16#1052698 << i don't think all of them are reddit larpers, i think some are able to grow own food, build own houses, etc. without walmart credit card
01:22 dulapbot Logged on 2021-08-16 21:10:22 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-16#1052661 << at the risk of repeating the obvious -- the roomtemp iq folx have fundamental problems, usg won't need to shoot'em, can cancel their wallmart.welfare.cards any day of the week and they know it. monsantoburgers dun grow on trees (not that iq70 folx necessarily remember how to plant a tree. or that one'd grow in their blightlands if were to b
01:22 asciilifeform frustratingly for the folx in charge of this function, the prey animals for this safari so far failed, for the obvious reason, to materialize.
01:22 dulapbot Logged on 2021-08-16 21:10:22 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-16#1052661 << at the risk of repeating the obvious -- the roomtemp iq folx have fundamental problems, usg won't need to shoot'em, can cancel their wallmart.welfare.cards any day of the week and they know it. monsantoburgers dun grow on trees (not that iq70 folx necessarily remember how to plant a tree. or that one'd grow in their blightlands if were to b
01:23 billymg and i suspect the types that are especially competent and able to do so talk the least about it online
01:23 asciilifeform billymg: all of 20 people, lol, perhaps, on whole continent. these aint about to 'take up arms', they are already quietly living in amish village.
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01:48 * vex is left wondering if he could train a jaguar cub to collect kangaroos for salami
01:57 vex wheres the wot manul these days?
02:02 vex in the logs right?
02:06 vex I kinda take issue with the wot, rating folks with a few bytes
02:13 vex I guess it's a pretty god representaion of huiman nature really
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02:30 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-16#1052685 << >> http://dulap.xyz/pub/mirrors/qntra.net/2018/03/mtgox-coins-getting-dumped-in-waterfall/
02:30 dulapbot Logged on 2021-08-16 20:56:09 vex: did I read that the scraps from mtgx are finally detting didtrubuted? was that in the logs?
02:30 asciilifeform ( tho there may have been a more recent instance of same )
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03:29 billymg asciilifeform: i gotta ask, if situation is so completely hopeless, what keeps you going?
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04:02 asciilifeform which situation, billymg ?
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04:28 billymg asciilifeform: i guess e.g. this one for starters
04:28 dulapbot Logged on 2021-08-02 22:08:57 asciilifeform: ok, fluffypony's extradition judgement (txt) is pure gold. rec'd read for erryone tuned in.
04:31 billymg asciilifeform: as in, the situation that will lead to all of our eventual hangings
04:31 dulapbot Logged on 2021-07-07 18:01:57 asciilifeform: davout: i got 'out of comfort zone', in-person smuggled machines into uy; and prior to that, haggled in ro w/ mp's nut of a lawyer. all it got me was -10btc and 2 moar things that'll be brought up at my usg hanging one day.
04:32 vex https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqhFwZd1Q6k
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05:36 vex https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GlFZRXBQyg
05:40 vex https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGwqbeTLzIM
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13:30 mats http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-16#1052653 if its any consolation, binance and ftx has reduced leverage from 100 to 20x
13:30 dulapbot Logged on 2021-08-16 12:52:42 asciilifeform: looks at chart at randomly-picked gox, finds interesting how blatantly obvious is the work of the 'exch rate fire extinguisher'
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16:12 asciilifeform billymg: 'coward dies a thousand deaths, brave man -- just one'(tm)(r)
16:12 asciilifeform mats: wouldja say it made a detectable diff. somewhere ?
16:12 asciilifeform !w poll
16:12 watchglass Polling 17 nodes...
16:12 watchglass 84.16.46.130:8333 : Could not connect!
16:12 watchglass 185.163.46.29:8333 : Could not connect!
16:12 watchglass 205.134.172.6:8333 : (172-6.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.081s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=696251
16:12 watchglass 205.134.172.26:8333 : Alive: (0.085s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=696251
16:12 watchglass 54.39.156.171:8333 : (ns562940.ip-54-39-156.net) Alive: (0.121s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=696251
16:12 watchglass 205.134.172.27:8333 : Alive: (0.103s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=696251 (Operator: asciilifeform)
16:12 watchglass 205.134.172.4:8333 : (172-4.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.109s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=696251
16:12 watchglass 205.134.172.28:8333 : Alive: (0.083s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=696251 (Operator: whaack)
16:12 watchglass 143.202.160.10:8333 : Alive: (0.212s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=696251
16:12 watchglass 208.94.240.42:8333 : Alive: (0.219s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=696251
16:12 watchglass 54.38.94.63:8333 : (ns3140226.ip-54-38-94.eu) Alive: (0.256s) V=88888 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.8.88.88/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=696251
16:12 watchglass 185.85.38.54:8333 : (tlapnet-38-54.cust.tlapnet.cz) Alive: (0.302s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=689331
16:12 watchglass 213.109.238.156:8333 : Alive: (0.381s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=696251
16:12 watchglass 103.36.92.112:8333 : (terebe.ns01.net) Alive: (0.595s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=696251
16:13 watchglass 71.191.220.241:8333 : (pool-71-191-220-241.washdc.fios.verizon.net) Alive: (0.014s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=696251 (Operator: asciilifeform)
16:13 watchglass 176.9.59.199:8333 : Violated BTC Protocol: Bad header length! (Operator: jurov)
16:14 watchglass 192.151.158.26:8333 : Busy? (No answer in 100 sec.)
16:18 billymg asciilifeform: but does a brave man also lament constantly how his enemy is all powerful and can never be defeated? i don't see the braveness in admitting defeat, even if "not scared to die"
16:18 asciilifeform billymg: i strongly disagree that at any point 'lament'.
16:19 asciilifeform billymg: people who study e.g. earthquakes, you could also accuse of 'they say it cannot be defeated'
16:19 billymg asciilifeform: that's what i mean, is reich on par with earthquakes in its totality?
16:21 asciilifeform billymg: reichs recur historically with regularity, and the moar centralizing the tech stack at the time, the bigger the reich -- and its eventual crater. imho entirely defensible statement of fact.
16:21 dulapbot Logged on 2021-08-09 13:11:47 asciilifeform: thimbronion: imho is important to remember that totalitarianism won the war, and in fact 'won' the century, for what imho were fundamental civilizational-stage reasons.
16:24 asciilifeform billymg: and indeed must agree that a reich is similar to other natural disasters, in that 'it's over when it exhausts itself' and not earlier.
16:24 billymg seems to be to be nearing point of exhaustion
16:25 mats asciilifeform: probably not, ftx says less than one percent of volume comes from margin calls
16:25 billymg seems to me*
16:25 asciilifeform billymg: well, sovok 'neared the point of exhaustion' for nearly half century before finally gave out.
16:25 thimbronion asciilifeform: sovok had US to prop it up.
16:25 mats the average margin is 2x
16:25 thimbronion I suppose US has China to some extent.
16:26 asciilifeform thimbronion: propped up, lol, with one hand, while pushing down with other
16:26 asciilifeform i suppose rather similar to us/china
16:27 mats ussr wasnt integrated into the intl economy at all, while the us still is
16:28 asciilifeform mats: if by 'intl economy' you, by definition, specify 'rothchild system' then not at all.
16:28 asciilifeform mats: if otoh the socblok satellite world and its food, weapons, heavy industry, infrastructure, shipping -- then from korea to cuba to tanzania 'sun never set' on sovok
16:29 mats well, us still has some high tech exports that nobody else can reproduce yet
16:29 asciilifeform which? winblows?
16:29 * asciilifeform pictures someone wanting to reproduce ~that~ 'success'
16:30 mats theres a big list in the last chinese five year plan
16:30 * asciilifeform not read
16:32 asciilifeform see, incidentally, also. wouldn't surprise asciilifeform if ~100% of the items on that list resembled 'buran'. and inserted by usg plants.
16:32 dulapbot Logged on 2021-08-09 14:48:26 asciilifeform: imho it is rather like when su built a ruinously expensive copy of usg 'space shuttle'. (incidentally the roof in the 'indiajones warehouse' housing this artifact, recently caved in, burying the machine + a janitor..)
16:32 dulapbot Logged on 2021-08-09 14:50:08 asciilifeform: usg traditionally quite good at this technique -- get opponent into a pyramid-building pissing contest
16:32 asciilifeform 'we must catch up with and outrun!111'
16:32 asciilifeform догоним и перегоним америку (tm)(r)
16:37 mats https://cset.georgetown.edu/wp-content/uploads/t0284_14th_Five_Year_Plan_EN.pdf page 17, 27, 35, etc
16:37 asciilifeform mats: ty
16:39 * asciilifeform at first look sees e.g. 'AI', 'quantum information', 'reusable space transportation' (lol, literally buranism!!) -- strong flavour of buran.
16:41 asciilifeform 'We will implement the intellectual property powerhouse (知识产权强国) strategy, implement a strict intellectual property protection system, improve laws and regulations related to intellectual property rights (IPR), and accelerate IP legislation in new fields and new formats. We will strengthen the judicial protection and administrative law enforcement of IP rights, bolster the arbitration, mediation, notarizati
16:41 asciilifeform on, and rights protection assistance systems, bolster the punitive compensation system for IP infringement, and increase compensation for damages.'
16:41 asciilifeform lol!!
16:41 asciilifeform let's become a great power, just like eltsin's ru !!
16:45 asciilifeform 'We will accelerate the iterative upgrading of cloud operating systems, promote technological innovations such as ultra–large scale distributed storage, elastic computing, and virtual data isolation, and improve cloud security. ' << ok now thoroughly convinced asciilifeform that the document is exactly same kind of jobsworth-spewed buzzword liquishit as the usg equivalents.
16:46 asciilifeform and to the extent said document reflects reality, cn's 'economic miracle' will go exactly like gorbachev's.
16:46 mats its a big country, not as if they can do national development exclusively behind closed doors
16:47 asciilifeform mats: it's also possible, given where we're reading it, that it was crafted for usg consumption.
16:47 asciilifeform and the authors laughed their arses off.
16:53 mats there are innovations, like the UHV DC grid system connecting the tibetan plateau and henan
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17:42 punkman http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-17#1052788 << read about case of this recently. there was a prolific Lego "compatible" brick factory that got shut down, stock burned, principals put in jail, etc
17:42 dulapbot Logged on 2021-08-17 12:37:01 asciilifeform: 'We will implement the intellectual property powerhouse (知识产权强国) strategy, implement a strict intellectual property protection system, improve laws and regulations related to intellectual property rights (IPR), and accelerate IP legislation in new fields and new formats. We will strengthen the judicial protection and administrative law enforcement of IP rights, bolster the arbitration, mediatio
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18:00 cgra billymg: i'm a blog noob and i'm experimenting with your mpwp variant. how do you format an article? just hand-crank html, or use some external tool and dump its output to the blog database/edit textbox?
18:01 whaack asciilifeform: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=x39z
18:01 whaack ^ rack renewl request, sorry for the tardiness
18:02 asciilifeform whaack: np! will get back to you later today
18:11 asciilifeform $ticker btc usd
18:11 busybot Current BTC price in USD: $45922.87
18:18 asciilifeform whaack: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=IGc-
18:28 billymg cgra: yup, the input box accepts just about any html (not sure off hand if anything is stripped, i don't believe so)
18:29 billymg cgra: recommended way is just markup your post with html directly (i usually draft locally then paste into the box when i'm ready, or almost ready, to publish)
18:31 billymg cgra: spyked also wrote added a markdown plugin at some point
18:31 cgra billymg: ever run (or expect to eventually) into hand-crank being so much work that a separate tool for the job becomes interesting?
18:32 billymg see this post also
18:33 billymg cgra: how do you mean? the hand-cranking of adding <p> and <a> tags?
18:35 cgra billymg: i'm trying to annotate a patch. talking code and prose intermingled. thought inline styling of code items would be useful
18:35 billymg ahhh
18:36 cgra and littered with links to patch lines
18:37 billymg cgra: yes, in fact there's a built-in feature that handles code formatting (currently only to a limited extent: monospace font, linkable line numbers, and line highlighting for diff syntax)
18:38 billymg usage is roughly [plaintext[ ... ]] or [diff[ ... ]]
18:39 billymg also requires escaping HTML characters locally before pasting your code in, see this footnote for sed script that does the trick
18:39 whaack asciilifeform: your sig failed when running your msg through --verify. I have a hunch it's because you put your "regular" signature as '- -S'
18:39 cgra billymg: yeah, i'm meaning to leverage your linkable line numbers heavily! and the colored diff adds clarity nicely
18:40 asciilifeform oh hm signpost https://paste.deedbot.org down ?
18:41 whaack asciilifeform: argh sorry
18:41 asciilifeform whaack: tried on my end, got 'gpg: Signature made Tue 17 Aug 2021 02:12:09 PM EDT using RSA key ID 01ABFFC7'
18:41 whaack your sig is good
18:41 whaack i tried to verify the encrypted msg
18:41 asciilifeform a lol
18:41 asciilifeform signpost: nm, apparently 'https'ism in 'chrome' on this box !
18:42 * asciilifeform recalls that somebody reported this 'feature' recently
18:44 billymg cgra: glad to hear, is your blog live anywhere yet? and definitely let me know if you run into issues or see things you'd like added
18:56 * asciilifeform oblig. spam: would be honoured to offer cgra rack service! supposing he doesn't already have.
18:58 asciilifeform re: earlier lulz, apparently Official 'feature' in chrome.
18:58 asciilifeform starting from v. 90
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23:47 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-17#1052798 << canhaz link ?
23:47 dulapbot Logged on 2021-08-17 13:38:08 punkman: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-17#1052788 << read about case of this recently. there was a prolific Lego "compatible" brick factory that got shut down, stock burned, principals put in jail, etc
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