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00:02 * asciilifeform reads the 2nd link, and quite 'a trip' -- inescapable feeling of 'this must be written by martians, from parallel dimension...' -- so little connection it has to the planet3 on which asciilifeform lives
00:02 asciilifeform 'An Authority/Right quadrant Master discourse would focus on, maybe keeping gas prices low! Maybe GDP, job creation, banking profits. Used to be enemy casualties or victory tallies. It depends on the Master narrative used by the discourse. Right now that narrative is jobs-centric in US politics, so great there’s plenty of data about that. Enough to snow anyone who questions the narrative maybe. Bridgewater, even thou
00:02 asciilifeform gh Ray often questions Trump, he’s a questioning guy after all, fits perhaps more in this discourse than a smaller fund that has to stand out through top analysis, because their scale represents the winner-take-all power curve skew that tends to accompany Mastery, and they allocate based often on this kind of econometrics.'
00:03 asciilifeform mats do you actually read these before posting..? this one could've easily come outta shannonizer (say, 'gpt')
00:04 mats it does remind me a bit of reading mp in chan after hes had a few drinks
00:04 mats but i promise i do read them
00:05 asciilifeform i dun recall him ever getting to ~this~ level, lol
00:06 mats i'll stop sharing about cryptodollarization, think i beat this horse to death
00:07 asciilifeform mats: it aint a wholly uninteresting subj, from a scamological pov, imho. but some of the linked people... i'd like to know what kinda dope they're on
00:08 mats the second guy's basic point is that cryptodollarization is an intermediate step towards bitcoinization
00:09 asciilifeform mats: i'm not aware of a universally-shared portrait of 'bitcoinization'
00:10 asciilifeform mats: how do you picture it ?
00:11 * asciilifeform historically when tried to picture it, the result almost makes 'goldization' as depicted by ayn rand et al, what with errybody walking w/ bags of gold dubloons strapped to their belts, look realistic..
00:11 mats note that i'm just gonna work with some random, if even figures here
00:13 mats dollar dominance ends up halved if btcusd goes to $1mn/ea: current us m3 is ~20tn usd, 19mn btc monetary mass at $1/mn puts it at about 19tn
00:14 asciilifeform mats: rright but this is straight outta archimedes's gigantic lever moving the earth. physically -- possible. but how would it come about ?
00:15 billymg http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-10#1051784 << lol, this deviation?
00:15 dulapbot Logged on 2021-08-10 19:46:53 asciilifeform: '...the US has a much stronger economy than almost all global peers. The US has been home to most of the wealth generated from the recent secular growth period fueled by software and computing innovation, a fact you can confirm by looking at the deviation between the S&P500 and all other global indices over the last 30 years' << rofl
00:17 mats mass digital yuan adoption in the east results in drawdowns of usd reserves, threatening dollar dominance, because what do they need a third country's currency for during trade settlement
00:17 asciilifeform billymg: see also e.g. thrd
00:17 dulapbot Logged on 2021-07-13 15:40:34 asciilifeform: y'know , the 1 where plebe now expected to pay 2-3x for the SAME FUCKING CARBOARD BOX he lived in '19 in.
00:18 mats probably they'll keep some around as a store of value, but its necessity in commerce continues to decline
00:19 asciilifeform mats: meanwhile in usa , officials wanking over '4th stimulus', at least one purported version of which would be a recurring printism/handout 'until end of pandemic' etc
00:20 mats the sprint for safe assets continues, bitcoins become more desirable as the americans continue to use the western bloc as inflation sinks for social welfare projects
00:21 asciilifeform subj! (prepare barf bag..)
00:22 mats eventually all fiat is de facto pegged to bitcoins, whether admitted or not
00:23 asciilifeform mats: the interesting question is why ~already~ does anyone buy e.g. 'stonks' rather than btc. and i can think of several plausible reasons
00:23 mats regulatory roadblocks, that's it, full stop
00:23 asciilifeform the most interesting of these is the 'muskization' which gives a picture -- from strictly numeric pov -- of btc/usd stagnation
00:23 dulapbot Logged on 2021-06-10 20:36:13 asciilifeform: shinohai: musk plays a very predictable and straightforward role in the usg.spectable -- helping to maintain the volatility.
00:24 asciilifeform i.e. musk & co pump btc-usd to 3-10x of what 'organically' would be. after this, the hill-climbers automagically see 'hmm, btc stagnant, let's buy stonks'
00:25 asciilifeform (and this is not even to mention the muskers periodically 'dropping' it, for good measure, to induce panic-selling and margin calls)
00:25 mats institutions can't buy bitcoins at spot, there's no spot or futures btc etf, they're stuck fooling around with chump change until there's more clarity
00:25 asciilifeform aaaand nobody cancelled ye olde waterfall. periodically reich seizes coupla thou btc and dumps on market as-needed.
00:27 asciilifeform mats: buying bona-fide on-chain coinz is for, y'know, 'terrorists'. institutions -- print papercoin.
00:27 asciilifeform for their purposes, is not simply as good, but better than real thing.
00:27 mats pump and dumps don't guarantee earned money for the pumper, but it does create volatility
00:28 asciilifeform mats: it makes 'stonks' appear to hill-climbers to be a superior horse in the glue factory. which is i suspect the primary objective.
00:28 asciilifeform 'btc aint growing, crapple is growing'
00:32 mats paper bitcoins are still better than dollars, honestly
00:33 asciilifeform mats: imho this is lulzy, rather like to say that MMM stock 'still better than' ruble
00:33 mats like it or not, lots of people prefer certified instruments over bearer instruments
00:33 asciilifeform goxes go bust regularly. usd otoh slowly inflates to toilet paper (with presumably one day ragnarok when ->0)
00:34 mats not like bearer instruments are downside free
00:35 asciilifeform bank.fiatola aint a bearer instrument
00:35 asciilifeform (suitcase.fiatola -- yes, is)
00:35 mats whether a paper bitcoin works or not depends on the issuer
00:35 mats i trusted trinque just fine, no problems
00:36 asciilifeform mats: not to salt wound, but iirc you also trusted mpex
00:36 mats correct
00:37 asciilifeform errything 'worx' until doesn't
00:37 mats what is this, 2014, i get hazed again
00:37 asciilifeform mno. simply imho trusting trinque.wallet was a rational act, but mpex -- less so
00:38 asciilifeform even a rube like asciilifeform , even in '12, was able to see that it was a pyramid
00:39 asciilifeform folx who promise 'growth' -- MMM.
00:39 mats if i thought i could never trust anyone ever again, i'd have left for the wilderness years ago
00:39 asciilifeform ( to his credit, mp was moar sophisticated then mavrodi, did not ~promise~ growth.. )
00:41 asciilifeform mats: i argue that it is often (if not necessarily always) possible to spot a scam, from given priors.
00:41 mats mike_c and mod6 funds squatting were flags i ignored, for sure
00:42 asciilifeform and that this does not require deep expertise. but folx do not listen to logic, they think 'yes this is a train going off a cliff, but i am 313337, i know how to jump off just in time!'
00:42 mats like i told you before, operating on cash and carry bases has its own costs
00:43 asciilifeform there was an interesting talk (linked iirc by mats!) maybe in '14 ? about how scammers in traditional settings (i.e. 'numbers games' in back alleys) relied on this sin, where folx believe 'yes, is scam, but i can outsmart the scammer'
00:44 asciilifeform mats: indeed has cost. quite likely, fella who studiously avoids scams will never 'strike rich'.
00:44 asciilifeform but also will probably not get cleaned out.
00:45 mats careful relationship management and iterated prisoners dilemma works fine
00:45 mats the trick is not to put so much bank roll in play you'd be cleaned out
00:46 * asciilifeform wonders how many folx could honestly say they truly 'did not put too many eggs in any basket'
00:47 mats a friend's kid brother plays the moving stuff from place to place game, grosses a respectable sum every month, and does it with basically 90% credit
00:47 asciilifeform mats: now scale that down to a, say, 1k usd net worth.
00:48 asciilifeform picture you were appointed as financial advisor to one such. where wouldja tell him to 'diversify' ? euro? yen ? could say it to him w/ a straight face ?
00:48 mats the people he works with, you wouldn't trust with a nickel, and nor would a bank, but he makes it work with handshakes and stacks of paper
00:49 asciilifeform iirc is what mp (said, at any rate) did
00:49 asciilifeform if yer a 'people person', and made it to 'correct' geography, may work for you.
00:52 mats i'm not a people person, but i try, and its opened doors i couldn't see were even there
01:00 mats you can trust people again, stan. i believe in you
01:01 * asciilifeform trusts his l1/meat-l1.
01:02 asciilifeform ( re all else, see also thrd . )
01:02 dulapbot Logged on 2021-06-30 10:57:11 asciilifeform: shinohai: chrematism is a disease which only afflicts folx who have what to gamble away.
01:04 * asciilifeform has roughly similar 'monetary policy' to that very same mp -- 'roach motel' system -- coinz may come in, they may NOT however come out'
01:08 mats thats a lot of dust transactions
01:08 asciilifeform mats: iirc those were mass dustspams, i think even i got one
01:18 scoopbot New post on billymg: Bitdash Crawler: A Watchglass-Based Bitcoin Network Crawler
01:18 asciilifeform billymg: congrats!!
01:19 billymg asciilifeform: ty
01:19 billymg asciilifeform: let me know what you think about how i handled importing watchglass
01:19 billymg or anything else for that matter
01:21 asciilifeform billymg: added link on my www, under 'usefuls'
01:22 asciilifeform 'On my modest Rockchip with max_sockets set to 800 it completes a full scan (including ~half a million spam peers—I have not implemented blacklisting yet) in around 90 minutes ' << notbad!!
01:26 billymg http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-10#1051871 << awesome! ty, i appreciate the loper-os shoutout
01:26 dulapbot Logged on 2021-08-10 21:17:05 asciilifeform: billymg: added link on my www, under 'usefuls'
01:29 asciilifeform 36 noades openly flying trb flag apparently.
01:29 asciilifeform !w poll
01:29 watchglass Polling 17 nodes...
01:29 watchglass 185.85.38.54:8333 : Could not connect!
01:29 watchglass 84.16.46.130:8333 : Could not connect!
01:29 watchglass 205.134.172.26:8333 : Alive: (0.081s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=695197
01:29 watchglass 185.163.46.29:8333 : Could not connect!
01:29 watchglass 205.134.172.27:8333 : Alive: (0.083s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=695197 (Operator: asciilifeform)
01:29 watchglass 205.134.172.4:8333 : (172-4.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.101s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=695197
01:29 watchglass 205.134.172.28:8333 : Alive: (0.083s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=695197 (Operator: whaack)
01:29 watchglass 54.39.156.171:8333 : (ns562940.ip-54-39-156.net) Alive: (0.171s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=695197
01:29 watchglass 208.94.240.42:8333 : Alive: (0.166s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=695197
01:29 watchglass 143.202.160.10:8333 : Alive: (0.234s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=695197
01:29 watchglass 213.109.238.156:8333 : Alive: (0.266s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=695197
01:29 watchglass 54.38.94.63:8333 : (ns3140226.ip-54-38-94.eu) Alive: (0.302s) V=88888 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.8.88.88/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=695179
01:29 watchglass 103.36.92.112:8333 : (terebe.ns01.net) Alive: (0.657s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=695197
01:29 watchglass 71.191.220.241:8333 : (pool-71-191-220-241.washdc.fios.verizon.net) Alive: (0.796s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=695197 (Operator: asciilifeform)
01:30 watchglass 176.9.59.199:8333 : Violated BTC Protocol: Bad header length! (Operator: jurov)
01:30 * asciilifeform tries to recall what a 'therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1' is
01:30 asciilifeform bingoboingo ^ iirc your thing ?
01:31 billymg http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-10#1051875 << the 36 number is any TRB node the crawler has encountered since it started running on my server. the homepage has a now, perhaps more useful, trb nodes active in last 48hrs http://bitdash.io/
01:31 dulapbot Logged on 2021-08-10 21:25:02 asciilifeform: 36 noades openly flying trb flag apparently.
01:31 watchglass 192.151.158.26:8333 : Busy? (No answer in 100 sec.)
01:31 watchglass 205.134.172.6:8333 : Busy? (No answer in 100 sec.)
01:31 asciilifeform a.
01:31 asciilifeform billymg: your link got truncated ?
01:31 billymg which link?
01:32 asciilifeform the 'active in 48h'
01:32 billymg ah, no, i've just replaced what i previously had on the homepage with that list
01:32 asciilifeform btw billymg dunno if you care but the site aint vertical-display friendly
01:32 asciilifeform i get a horiz scrollbar
01:33 asciilifeform ( on 2160x3840 lcd )
01:33 billymg ah, yeah, sorry about that. on the roadmap
01:33 asciilifeform aite
01:33 * billymg bbl dinner
01:33 asciilifeform laters
01:43 bingoboingo asciilifeform It's just a press of TRB with the version string dropped so that it can actually communicate with non-trb nodes and maintain in sync
01:45 bingoboingo I had run TRB nodes with 99999 until that incident where no trb nodes were getting blocks for a while
01:47 bingoboingo Because the number of slightest bit useful non-trb nodes that will offer blocks to trb nodes running Malleus and version 99999 together is ~nil
~ 1 hours 11 minutes ~
02:58 billymg asciilifeform: you're seeing the horizontal scroll bar on all pages or only some? 2160px wide should be more than enough, the site's width is set at 1200px but it could be some other bug with the layout/css
~ 42 minutes ~
03:41 asciilifeform billymg: seems to be all of'em
03:41 billymg asciilifeform: chromium?
03:42 asciilifeform billymg: tried chromium & chrome so far, same result
03:42 billymg hmmmm
03:42 asciilifeform ditto on a crapplepad
03:43 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-10#1051913 << my noades contradict this hypothesis quite regularly
03:43 dulapbot Logged on 2021-08-10 21:43:14 bingoboingo: Because the number of slightest bit useful non-trb nodes that will offer blocks to trb nodes running Malleus and version 99999 together is ~nil
03:47 billymg asciilifeform: it makes sense for the ipad (and phones) since they're less than 1200px in width (which i do mean to fix soon). but shouldn't happen on reasonable desktop/laptop, so long as window is at least 1200px wide
03:47 asciilifeform billymg: mno, 1536
03:47 billymg yeah, that should be enough
03:47 asciilifeform anyways seeing horiz. scrollage on all vertical displays tried so far
03:55 asciilifeform bingoboingo: here, for instance, is almost 2y of who-gave from 'zoolag'. take even the most recent one, at the time of this writing -- it's a stereotypical heathen!
03:56 * asciilifeform wonders why these dun always trigger 'malleus'
03:57 asciilifeform point being, version string camouflage aint actually necessary for connectivity w/ heathens. (but doesn't do any harm, either)
03:58 asciilifeform at one time it ~was~ useful for showing up in heathen noad crawlers which cut off at iirc 0.8. but today afaik all of'em filter trb by other means.
03:59 billymg asciilifeform: i can't reproduce the horizontal scroll bar thing but possibly it will go away when i start making the site responsive
04:00 billymg if anyone else is seeing/not seeing horizontal scroll bars when using a non-mobile browser please let me know (horizontal scroll bars should not be present)
04:00 * asciilifeform bbl
04:00 billymg asciilifeform: some data re: prb nodes returning peers: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=H9rM
04:03 billymg not exactly scientific grade experiment (it doesn't go back and retest once it finds a combination that works) but does give some indication of which magic bits PRB responds to
~ 20 minutes ~
04:24 billymg http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-10#1051923 << just realized you were referring to your ipad's resolution here. those are the physical pixels, true, but the browser viewport converts that 1536x2048 to 768x1024 (since it's a "retina" screen). so to the CSS it's 768x1024
04:24 dulapbot Logged on 2021-08-10 23:43:10 asciilifeform: billymg: mno, 1536
04:31 billymg anyway, will fix it soon so it works on any screen
~ 3 hours 46 minutes ~
08:18 cgra http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-09#1051577 << whaack sorry, only now noticed your q. i may propose a fix/a set of fixes if capable of producing one, prolly not going to happen very fast anyway
08:18 dulapbot Logged on 2021-08-09 16:28:09 whaack: cgra: any chance you're working on the patches for the problems you've discovered?
~ 37 minutes ~
08:55 punkman http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-10#1051860 << you know, a lot of people think this, and then lose large amounts of money
08:55 dulapbot Logged on 2021-08-10 20:57:00 asciilifeform: trusts his l1/meat-l1.
08:57 punkman could say meat-l1 is the #1 concern for lottery winner
08:58 punkman also most likely way to get pulled in a MMM/mpex, through meat-l1, at least for conservative/careful folx
09:04 punkman had a fascination with conmen/scammers since forever
09:07 punkman I remember an uncle that got into Herbalife in the 90s. Trying to get every relative to buy ointments, giving them out for free after his stock was getting unwieldy
09:10 punkman uncle was even into bodybuilding, he'd have done so much better with the Herbalife nutrition clubs that they are doing now
09:19 punkman billymg: "Implement a geoIP-lookup feature even though this will require the use of a 3rd party service." << you can download maxmind database and do all the geoip lookups locally.
09:21 punkman here's link https://www.maxmind.com/en/geolite2/signup?lang=en
09:23 punkman "READY TO RETURN THE FUND!" "FAILED TO CONTACT THE POLY. I NEED A SECURED MULTISIG WALLET FROM YOU" "IT'S ALREADY A LEGEND TO WIN SO MUCH FORTUNE. IT WILL BE AN ETERNAL LEGEND TO SAVE THE WORLD. I MADE THE DECISION, NO MORE DAO" "ACCEPT DONATIONS TO "THE HIDDEN SIGNER" NOW. ENCRYPT YOUR MSG WITH HIS PUBKEY."
09:24 punkman more messages from the "hacker"
09:34 punkman would be fun if he "accidentally" burned/locked that shitcoins, then they'd have to fork eth and binance-chain
09:40 punkman http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-10#1051775 << had 1k "wrapped" bitcoins, would have been easy to convert if he cared.
09:40 dulapbot Logged on 2021-08-10 16:53:58 asciilifeform: betcha the e.g. '600m$ heist' wouldn't yield even 10btc if the fella actually sold
09:41 punkman a lot of it was USDcoins, obviously those were the first to be "blacklisted"
09:42 punkman https://twitter.com/BreezeCrypto/status/1425146172264656906 someone found "test" of hack couple weeks ago
~ 38 minutes ~
10:20 punkman https://twitter.com/kelvinfichter/status/1425217068337713163 lol, apparently all that was needed was 4 byte hash collision
10:23 punkman https://twitter.com/THORChain/status/1425254185482678277 (tards that got hacked last week) "It is unrealistic to expect to be free from bugs or exploits no matter the layers of security, checks and reviews. "
~ 15 minutes ~
10:38 punkman https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E8gE1XVVUAcWcqz?format=jpg&name=large "IF WE DO NOT COME TO AN AGREEMENT I WILL SEND IT ALL TO DEAD ADDRESS OR FIGURE OUT SOMETHING MORE FUN"
~ 2 hours 21 minutes ~
13:00 billymg punkman: hey, that's pretty cool
~ 1 hours 29 minutes ~
14:29 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-11#1051944 << me too
14:29 dulapbot Logged on 2021-08-11 05:00:18 punkman: had a fascination with conmen/scammers since forever
14:31 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-11#1051943 << there are several, imho, processes, going in parallel, and not only 'uninnoculated rubes' such as orig. MMM buyers. for instance, many folx grow up with a solid 'no such thing as free lunch' upbringing, but the jumpers in their heads get pulled off when they get some lucky break (e.g. 2010s btc) and after this think 'what if there are bigger free lunche
14:31 asciilifeform s still'
14:31 dulapbot Logged on 2021-08-11 04:54:27 punkman: also most likely way to get pulled in a MMM/mpex, through meat-l1, at least for conservative/careful folx
14:32 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-11#1051942 << more fundamentally, the doom of the lottery winner is the -- for some, irresistible -- to somehow try to ~win a second time~
14:32 dulapbot Logged on 2021-08-11 04:53:32 punkman: could say meat-l1 is the #1 concern for lottery winner
14:33 asciilifeform 'only millionaire, that's 1 step up from pauper, but what if could be billionaire' etc
14:35 asciilifeform it aint even that there are no warning signs of a scam. simply, the victims willfully ignore'em.
14:35 dulapbot Logged on 2021-08-10 20:35:04 asciilifeform: folx who promise 'growth' -- MMM.
14:36 punkman and he's still doing it, just moved on to Africa/Asia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMM_Global
14:36 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-11#1051940 << there's only 1 sure pill against losing large amts of money; and it's what asciilifeform 'uses', lol
14:36 dulapbot Logged on 2021-08-11 04:51:38 punkman: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-10#1051860 << you know, a lot of people think this, and then lose large amounts of money
14:36 dulapbot Logged on 2021-06-30 10:57:11 asciilifeform: shinohai: chrematism is a disease which only afflicts folx who have what to gamble away.
14:36 asciilifeform punkman: mavrodi croaked in '18
14:36 asciilifeform but yes, lived to bake a shitcoin!
14:38 punkman " Mavrodi launched another pyramid scheme called MMM-2011, asking investors to buy so-called Mavro currency units. He frankly described it as a pyramid, adding "It is a naked scheme, nothing more ... People interact with each other and give each other money. For no reason!""
14:38 shinohai https://twitter.com/WuBlockchain/status/1425463281104277509 <<< The PolyNetwork hacker is amazingly stupid after all.
14:38 asciilifeform incidentally mavrodi's 'prison talks' are a++. afaik not translated to any other langs yet tho.
14:39 punkman heh "The funeral was funded by the investors of МММ-2011."
14:39 asciilifeform shinohai: was pretty clear earlier that the character was a homoredditus
14:41 shinohai I had little hope anything would have come of it anyway, the PolyNetwork team would have eventually went from "Dear Hacker" to "Dear Binance, please reorg this entry in the database" anyway.
14:42 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-11#1051952 << how does this actually work ? ( concretely -- where, physically, are the privkeys for those coinz? )
14:42 dulapbot Logged on 2021-08-11 05:35:57 punkman: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-10#1051775 << had 1k "wrapped" bitcoins, would have been easy to convert if he cared.
14:42 asciilifeform shinohai: a la etherdao etc
14:44 punkman asciilifeform: have not looked, but something like this, there's a "liquidity pool", you send BTC to some address, you get wrapped btc token on eth-chain.
14:44 punkman obviously "dear hacker" believes in ETH, not BTC
14:44 asciilifeform punkman: that much makes sense, q is how does the btc get ~sent out~
14:45 punkman you send wrapped btc back to pool, get btc out
14:45 asciilifeform right, but at some pt something gotta disgorge a previously-ciphered privkey neh
14:45 asciilifeform where does it live ?
14:46 punkman pool would hold some kind of multi-sig key, but I'm just guessing
14:46 * asciilifeform guesses that it involves prbisms, e.g. multisig
14:46 asciilifeform a
14:46 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-11#1051957 << whole space is imho sorely in need of a great flood to wash away all the scum.
14:46 dulapbot Logged on 2021-08-11 06:18:54 punkman: https://twitter.com/THORChain/status/1425254185482678277 (tards that got hacked last week) "It is unrealistic to expect to be free from bugs or exploits no matter the layers of security, checks and reviews. "
14:46 dulapbot Logged on 2021-07-11 15:07:56 asciilifeform: tangentially, imho absolute best thing that could happen to btc from 'actual commerce' pov -- is that it were to fall to e.g. 100$ and stay there for next decade.
14:47 punkman following all the "indident analysis", it seems clear to me all the "eth experts" barely know what they are doing, and cross-chain stuff is pretty hard to debug
14:47 * asciilifeform doesn't expect it'll happen tho. short of a gift from the gods in the form of, say, a hamhanded usg ban which kills all goxes or similar
14:47 dulapbot Logged on 2021-08-02 17:26:51 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-02#1049878 << lock down all goxes? pray to satan that it happens!
14:48 asciilifeform punkman: the notion of 'debugging' a ~fundamentally bogus~ proggy such as 'cross-chain coin' -- is rather like 'medicine for a corpse'
14:48 punkman asciilifeform should make GreatFloodDAO
14:49 asciilifeform lol
14:49 asciilifeform right after i open atheist church..
14:50 punkman already had atheist church :P
14:58 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-11#1051954 << mats may find interesting to learn this
14:58 dulapbot Logged on 2021-08-11 05:37:20 punkman: a lot of it was USDcoins, obviously those were the first to be "blacklisted"
15:02 punkman "JUST DUMPED ALL ASSETS ON BSC & POLYGON.
15:02 punkman HACKING FOR GOOD, I DID SAVE THE PROJECT"
15:03 punkman apparently he used Monero to buy ETH gas for the attack
15:05 asciilifeform punkman: what's 'bsc' and 'polygon' ?
15:06 asciilifeform polygon iirc was the shitcoin in question ?
15:07 punkman binance has their own smart contract chain, polygon is not polynetwork, it's a protocol and a framework for building and connecting Ethereum-compatible blockchain networks."
15:09 punkman binance has their own everything probably. they have USD coin, own shitcoin, own ethereum (BSC), they even bought coinmarketcap to promote their shit
15:10 punkman basically every big exchange wants their own ethereum, and then they use "protocol" like poly.network or polygon to connect to each other
15:11 punkman maddening nomenclature
15:15 punkman what I'm perplexed by right now, is that all these "automated market makers/liquidity pools" (uniswap, sushiswap, pancakeswap, list goes on) seem to cost $30 or $100 to exchange shitcoins. how can the shitcoinists even use them with five bux worth of dogecoin or whatever
15:16 shinohai To wit: https://twitter.com/vinyarb/status/1425458439430434818
15:18 punkman I kinda want to try to sell some geek art, would be fun pasttime
15:21 punkman perhaps something like "short story + visual items + solve the riddle to win a bitcent"
15:23 punkman was looking at an opensea alternative, saw "items in store: 25,000" "items sold: 402"
~ 20 minutes ~
15:44 punkman "Most these NFT projects will die like most shitcoins, you were not around in 2017 to have experienced that" << ah the OG from 2017 tell the noobs how it is
15:55 punkman in other crank covid cures: niacin https://osf.io/uec3r/
~ 23 minutes ~
16:19 asciilifeform billymg: i added link to your noad browser to the watchglass page as well.
16:24 billymg asciilifeform: very cool, glad you're finding it useful so far
16:25 asciilifeform billymg: btw the rockchip link is broken
16:25 billymg oh, hrm
16:25 billymg yeah i see
16:27 billymg asciilifeform: fixed
16:30 asciilifeform billymg: worx!
16:30 asciilifeform billymg: seems like you fixed the css in noad www also
16:30 asciilifeform ( worx w/out scrollism nao )
16:30 billymg nice
16:31 asciilifeform what was the bug ?
16:31 billymg dunno, didn't change anything lol
16:31 billymg could've been cached css
16:31 billymg an older version
16:31 asciilifeform hm
16:31 billymg or perhaps a particular user agent string that ran off the page, though those should be contained
16:31 billymg so can't say for sure
16:32 asciilifeform billymg: btw pheature req : see if can add a search box (where searches existing, and if not found, adds to scan queue)
16:32 billymg asciilifeform: noted
16:35 asciilifeform billymg: was looking at your log www -- outta curiosity, is your bot still alive at fleanode ?
16:35 billymg it is
16:35 asciilifeform billymg: i found that mine could no longer connect, demands sslism
16:35 billymg until it falls down
16:35 asciilifeform ( when tried sslism via znc, got only barf )
16:37 billymg asciilifeform: actually, looking at logs it may have finally hit that same snag
16:37 billymg i haven't been connected myself to freenode in a while
16:37 dulapbot Logged on 2021-07-29 14:20:04 billymg: i started getting this error from freenode sometime this morning as well, although it didn't seem to kick me from the network
16:37 * asciilifeform checked outta fleanode not long ago.
16:37 dulapbot Logged on 2021-08-03 16:43:09 asciilifeform: finally gets off fleanode for good.
16:38 asciilifeform 'You must use TLS/SSL and authenticate via SASL to connect to freenode...' << aha, that one
16:38 asciilifeform didn't seem to work, either ( i had an existing config for this on another box , no dice )
16:39 asciilifeform thing is, what's left on fleanode ? rats and mice ?
16:40 asciilifeform usg and its agent accomplished their mission re fleanode. so, unsurprisingly, the remnant is being flushed down.
16:40 dulapbot Logged on 2021-07-22 11:07:13 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-22#1047784 << a usg stooge was set up in the role of a 'demented millionaire' to 'buy' and then wreck ye olde fleanode. in parallel with this, the puppeteers set up a
16:40 dulapbot Logged on 2021-07-22 11:09:14 asciilifeform: adlai: supposedly 'every' popular chan from fleanode, ended up in that mousetrap.
16:42 asciilifeform !q uptime
16:42 dulapbot asciilifeform: time since my last reconnect : 56d 13h 35m
16:42 billymg oh yeah, speaking of victims of the reich Vox seems to have followed closely behind BAP in being deplatformed
16:42 dulapbot Logged on 2021-08-08 17:01:56 billymg: it seems like a missed opportunity. i keep waiting for someone like BAP or Vox to come out and say "i've seen the light, we need to get fucking organized with the tools we use to communicate"
16:43 asciilifeform billymg: do you recall when they pissed away their chance ?
16:43 dulapbot Logged on 2021-07-07 23:07:46 asciilifeform: ^ thread where no less than weev refused to host at pizarro. because ohnoez, mah dns, etc
16:43 billymg yeah, i remember that
16:45 asciilifeform recall tlp's 'power that is traded for the fetish of power'... ( for that matter, example in earlier thread of this process )
16:45 dulapbot Logged on 2021-08-09 14:07:43 asciilifeform: mats: i defo grasp that there's 1e7 halfwits who think they want to 'use bitcoin' (whatever they imagine it to be) but don't want to figure out scary complicated things like, ohnoez, installing a noad
16:46 asciilifeform the vox derp had what, DECADE of warning ? to get the fuck off google's hosting
16:46 asciilifeform can't help but wonder what kinda sawdust in that crankcase
16:47 thimbronion http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-11#1052060 <> http://thimbron.com/2017/08/vox-day-gpg/
16:47 dulapbot Logged on 2021-08-11 12:37:57 billymg: oh yeah, speaking of victims of the reich Vox seems to have followed closely behind BAP in being deplatformed
16:47 asciilifeform the excuses these fuckwits give, when pressed, are something to behold. some of'em still think 'you gotta be rich' to host outside of 'platforms'. ( nevermind that asciilifeform's entire dc bill is smaller than some of these idiots' cable tv bills )
16:48 asciilifeform thimbronion: were you surprised that he did not answer ?
16:48 billymg asciilifeform: i sometimes wonder if part of the grift. "friends, countrymen: i've been censored on blogger/twitter, follow me on substack!" *generates buzz* *6 months later* "friends, countrymen: i've been censored from substack, follow me on..."
16:49 asciilifeform billymg: likely part of it
16:49 thimbronion Vox does have his own video streaming service though, as well as other non-google properties.
16:49 asciilifeform thimbronion: i had nfi (not being a fan..) -- so, it is still up ?
16:50 thimbronion asciilifeform: No. Was surprised to learn later that his band put out a song about PGP sometime in the last decades.
16:50 thimbronion asciilifeform: yeah it's up: https://unauthorized.tv/
16:51 billymg http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-11#1052069 << yeah it's shit like that that makes me think they don't really want to "win". what? already winning, look at book deal!
16:51 dulapbot Logged on 2021-08-11 12:42:55 thimbronion: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-11#1052060 <> http://thimbron.com/2017/08/vox-day-gpg/
16:51 asciilifeform thimbronion: seems to be members-only
16:51 thimbronion asciilifeform: that's the only way it could exist really.
16:53 asciilifeform the entire history of 'organized right' in usa is a series of these, cynical hucksters, their room-temp-iq marks, book deals
16:53 dulapbot Logged on 2021-07-13 14:44:30 asciilifeform: mats: i regard the 'counter-usg dissidency' 'movement' as simply an arm of usg. certainly since this point.
16:54 asciilifeform + generous helping of usg provocateurs, religion-flavoured 'shards of the true cross' megachurches, 'senator smurf' colloidal-quackery 'medicine', etc
16:55 asciilifeform the other thing, billymg , is that 'winning', for almost any value of 'winning', would render their offering meaningless.
16:55 dulapbot Logged on 2021-02-12 20:11:40 asciilifeform: late-era sovok contained quite a few figures resembling, imho more than superficially, taleb -- i.e. 'dissidents' which were nominally in opposition to it (but vanished into insignificance with its collapse) , nominally 'oppressed' (while occupying plum jobs -- 'writer's union' came w/ massive leisure, primo food, vacation house, car, sometimes -- driver)
16:57 thimbronion I have to hand it to Vox for not just whining about being deplatformed from xyz and instead creating his own xyz, including a publishing company as well as the above - even made his own twatter and wiki.
16:58 thimbronion All ultimatetly futile due to dns and lack of a friendly cloudfront, imo.
17:02 billymg btw, asciilifeform, jfw told me about an idea bvt had for logline ids derived from hashes of the payload, to allow for interoperability between various loggers
17:02 bitbot (jwrd) 2021-05-22 jfw: billymg: cool, sounds good. the other issue with links to third-party logs, in the event you took yours down (as would be perfectly within your right to do, without the political ties that bind and whatnot), is the divergence of message IDs. bvt had a smart approach to that based on message+context hashes but nobody's made it happen.
17:03 asciilifeform billymg: i recall at one time mp suggesting something similar. doesn't help w/ order tho
17:03 billymg when i'm reading the logs i'm doing so on my logger, so have thought of adding feature that replaces other logger links with the corresponding links on mine, so that i'm not jumping between two loggers
17:04 asciilifeform billymg: can use existing patterns in my original, i have this feature
17:05 billymg asciilifeform: ah, already a feature? does it do it on the frontend or did it do it on import into the DB?
17:05 asciilifeform frontend
17:05 asciilifeform db is unmutilated
17:05 billymg ok, will look into it
17:06 asciilifeform billymg: start here
17:06 asciilifeform ( feature is yr+ old )
17:10 billymg asciilifeform: perfect, that's exactly it
17:11 asciilifeform now's prolly a good time to share detail from asciilifeform's p2ptron scheme. each message contains, in addition to payload and speaker's handle, two hashes : "selfhash" -- hash of previous message spoken by him; and "nethash" -- hash of previous message seen by him (these can be identical , when two or more msgs sent in quick succession)
17:13 asciilifeform this simultaneously solves two problems : 1) makes reordering, for folx who insist, possible
17:13 dulapbot Logged on 2021-07-04 19:53:05 asciilifeform: note that asciilifeform isn't opposed to punkman (or anybody else) configuring ~his~ own client to attempt to reorder, somehow, messages perceived as outta order. but i utterly fail to see why this mechanism ~must~ be an integral part of the protocol.
17:14 asciilifeform ... 2) makes possible to detect situation where an l2+ is 'forging' a l1 (from detector's pov) handle.
17:15 asciilifeform all at the cost of 64byte (32 per) in message.
17:17 * asciilifeform 'living under a curse', erry time sits down to wrap up that article, sumthing gets in the way..
17:18 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-11#1052105 << really oughta expand -- makes possible to identify virtually all cases where two stations are broadcasting messages w/ same nick (for whatever reason) in the general case.
17:18 dulapbot Logged on 2021-08-11 13:10:05 asciilifeform: ... 2) makes possible to detect situation where an l2+ is 'forging' a l1 (from detector's pov) handle.
17:19 asciilifeform however, only ~after~ such a message is 'orphaned' (i.e. dr.troll sends a 'i eat bugs!' signed 'asciilifeform', and with correct 'selfhash'. but genuine-asciilifeform's ~next~ msg will naturally not point to dr.troll's msg, but to genuine-asciilifeform's prev. msg. and so forth)
17:21 asciilifeform naturally none of this is a substitute for pgp sigs. but not intended as one, but simply to make monkeying with chat not worth anyone's effort
17:22 asciilifeform thimbronion ^ may find interesting.
17:23 thimbronion asciilifeform: indeed. May have some questions later.
17:24 asciilifeform for completeness, will describe what must happen if such a 'chain split' is detected by receiver
17:25 billymg thimbronion: btw i'm at the point now where i'm ready to start on your alethepedia theme and features for mp-wp
17:27 asciilifeform ... oughta issue alert (emulating irc server 'wallop') to operator, and append a letter/number, e.g. ' asciilifeform-a-1 ' , ' asciilifeform-b-2 ' when outputting msgs to operator's irc pipe, to distinguish the 'chains', until he is satisfied that impostor had vanished, and issues a e.g. '/resolvesplit asciilifeform' command, after which 'long chain' then displayed as ' asciilifeform ' simply again.
17:28 thimbronion billymg: cool! Honestly I'm a bit discouraged by the quality of the ocr scan at this point. Not sure how to proceed on that front.
17:29 asciilifeform in a hypothetical future item when no longer need to use irc frontend -- can also reassemble split messages using 'selfhash'.
17:29 asciilifeform ( and display reassembled to operator )
17:29 asciilifeform 'nethash' can be used to implement 'threading' , if anyone decides he wants it
17:29 asciilifeform can do just about anyffing worth doing w/ chatism, w/ these two primitives.
17:30 billymg thimbronion: probably best to hire human editors to do the grunt work of fixing the typos
17:31 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-11#1052088 << i recall previous 'weevs' similarly 'own company! publisher!' etc. -- these typically get 'deplatformed' by fiatola.banks/visa/etc (and eventually brought to heel and tamed)
17:31 dulapbot Logged on 2021-08-11 12:53:13 thimbronion: I have to hand it to Vox for not just whining about being deplatformed from xyz and instead creating his own xyz, including a publishing company as well as the above - even made his own twatter and wiki.
17:31 asciilifeform reason being, they, to a man, serve fiat.molloch -- their 'success!' criterion is precisely that very same 'book deal!'
17:32 thimbronion billymg: yes. momentous task.
17:32 asciilifeform book deal, 'mcmansion', tv channel..
17:32 billymg thimbronion: but sounds good, i'll probably start on producing some mockups for the theme soon
17:32 thimbronion billymg: ack
17:40 mats http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-11#1052005 << predictable
17:40 dulapbot Logged on 2021-08-11 10:53:41 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-11#1051954 << mats may find interesting to learn this
17:45 * asciilifeform finds interesting how the shitcoin folx don't feel any need to even try to justify their unprincipled exceptions, where 'code is law! but not if a redditard finds a trivial bug and takes our!!!! loot bag' , 'decentralized! except when we want to steal back our!! loot bag! then, will behave exactly like usg banks!' etc
17:48 asciilifeform see also the prophetic (circa '05!) p. greenspun on subj!
17:48 dulapbot (trilema) 2014-10-20 asciilifeform: 'As progressively dumber programmers build progressively more complex systems we will see more of this kind of attempt to paper over coding mistakes with lawyers, sanctions, policies, and laws. Hollywood and the RIAA are usually the most successful at getting the government to do their bidding. Thus I predict that one day Disney will have a Web site where you can buy access to any of their movies. Because all
17:50 asciilifeform orig piece, ftr.
18:03 punkman more from "dear hacker" https://pastebin.com/YTE6DVtN
18:03 punkman (took it from etherscan)
18:08 punkman the newer shitcoinists do not understand cryptography or "code is law" or anything really. bitcoiners of the olde times, were much more of the "I fucked up, thus I will now eat my hat" persuasion
18:12 asciilifeform punkman: the marks -- yes, prolly shit pants and not even notice the smell. but the perps ? is difficult to believe that they're unaware
~ 31 minutes ~
18:44 mats https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/8/11/afghanistan-provinces-city-taliban-ghani-mazar-i-sharif-live-news A new US intelligence assessment says Afghanistan’s capital could fall within 90 days after the Taliban armed group took more than a quarter of the country’s provincial capitals in less than a week.
18:44 mats rip
18:50 asciilifeform mats: see also!
18:50 dulapbot (trilema) 2014-06-20 asciilifeform: lol at expecting anyone to have sympathy for the folks who lost their heads from cables.csv (assuming any)
18:54 punkman from article above: "Halting deportations will ‘send wrong message’: Greece"
18:56 asciilifeform punkman: classic pseudoconflict there -- notice, plebe is offered choice b/w 'two bottles, with same fluid', a distinction w/out a difference -- there are buttons 'a' and 'b' but neither is labeled or even implied 'get the fucking orcs outta europe'
18:56 dulapbot Logged on 2021-07-26 15:23:42 asciilifeform: bonechewer: that whole thing is a bogus, constructed pseudo-conflict.
18:57 asciilifeform instead 'halt deportations, to resume later' and 'don't halt'. bonus, the buttons aint , naturally, connected to anything at all.
18:57 asciilifeform the question is never 'rape or not rape' but 'rape' and 'maybe slightly slower rape'
18:58 asciilifeform (the latter typically sold as 'conservatism')
18:58 punkman Turkey/Germany has a nice scam going, Turkey gets paid by EU to put damper on "flow" of afghans/syrians/iranians, then they buy weapons from Germany with the money
19:00 punkman I wonder if the afghans know coming to EU means staying in shitty camp on Greek island for a few years, or if they think they will be on way to Germany/Sweden in a couple months
19:01 asciilifeform punkman: i'd suspect the process aint entirely random, but depends 'which afgan', and whether has an 'in'
19:02 asciilifeform ( and see also )
19:02 dulapbot (trilema) 2017-06-08 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i can't comment on ro emigres, but with su world there was a lulzy twist : 1st wave (1970s -- largely j000z!11) wrote home, 'i'ma full professor and it rocks, come on over', 2nd wave went, to discover that market -- glut, and hello cab
19:03 punkman the bulk of them is "nobody", few with enough money to grease the wheels
19:03 asciilifeform punkman: i'd expect. but the steady flow of 'nobodies' (see linked thrd) is quite useful to the small number of 'somebodies' who like the smokescreen, the 'refuge relief funds' etc.
19:04 punkman there's a lot of "we need the young working bodies" going around, as in all of aging Europe
19:05 asciilifeform somehow folx 'very surprised' when the orcs don't particularly feel like remaining 'coolies' and take to robbery etc
19:05 punkman waiting for when they get them into politics, made some strides in that department in last couple of years
19:05 asciilifeform very similar item in usa
19:07 punkman some politician was found to be renting dozen apartments to refugees via welfare program, the "far-right" tried to make it a scandal, nobody cared
19:07 asciilifeform typical
19:08 asciilifeform (btw punkman picture a hypothetical 'somebody cared'. what'd that look like ?)
19:10 punkman dunno, kick a few of the ne'erdowells out?
19:10 punkman illegal by EU "law" of course
19:11 asciilifeform see also!
19:11 dulapbot (trilema) 2017-03-02 asciilifeform: the folx who could -- any day of the week -- give the order to have all 'migrants' met with flamethrowers - answer to exactly usg dos sewing circle
19:11 asciilifeform lumpens are effective soldiers of the reich.
19:11 dulapbot Logged on 2021-04-22 14:11:18 asciilifeform: mats: there is only 1 kind of class warfare in the reich -- yacht class vs literally erryone else. with the enthusiastic assistance of 'room temp iq' lumpens, typically, for the wet work.
19:12 asciilifeform and as such, protected and nourished.
19:12 punkman there was a hilarious news item last year, "gang of 160 people caught!" then in article "they've been collectively arrested 520 times in the past"
19:13 asciilifeform 'anarchotyranny'(tm)(r)(c)
~ 15 minutes ~
19:29 asciilifeform in http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-11#1052140 lulz, a reich.lolgem.
19:29 dulapbot Logged on 2021-08-11 14:39:48 mats: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/8/11/afghanistan-provinces-city-taliban-ghani-mazar-i-sharif-live-news A new US intelligence assessment says Afghanistan’s capital could fall within 90 days after the Taliban armed group took more than a quarter of the country’s provincial capitals in less than a week.
19:29 asciilifeform 'uppose that you go to a conservative rural area and find that a majority of people there support the Taliban. That doesn't legitimize the Taliban, because freedom is defined by....' etc
~ 1 hours 29 minutes ~
20:59 PeterL http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-11#1052102 << what goes in first message? hash of null?
20:59 dulapbot Logged on 2021-08-11 13:07:23 asciilifeform: now's prolly a good time to share detail from asciilifeform's p2ptron scheme. each message contains, in addition to payload and speaker's handle, two hashes : "selfhash" -- hash of previous message spoken by him; and "nethash" -- hash of previous message seen by him (these can be identical , when two or more msgs sent in quick succession)
~ 24 minutes ~
21:24 asciilifeform PeterL: simply null.
21:25 * asciilifeform imho irc end oughta similarly mark msgs that have a null for either hash
21:25 dulapbot Logged on 2021-08-11 13:22:51 asciilifeform: ... oughta issue alert (emulating irc server 'wallop') to operator, and append a letter/number, e.g. ' asciilifeform-a-1 ' , ' asciilifeform-b-2 ' when outputting msgs to operator's irc pipe, to distinguish the 'chains', until he is satisfied that impostor had vanished, and issues a e.g. '/resolvesplit asciilifeform' command, after which 'long chain' then displayed as ' asciilifeform ' simply again.
21:38 punkman stumbled on this https://github.com/maqp/tfc again, thought it looked familiar, looked at logs and found me posting it and owner coming in to discuss http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log-search?q=f%3Amaqp&chan=trilema
21:39 asciilifeform punkman: indeed was discussed, quite lulzy
21:40 asciilifeform was punkman who dug it up the 1st time, too, lol
21:40 dulapbot (trilema) 2016-02-07 punkman: https://github.com/maqp/tfc-otp
21:42 punkman seems like the guy didn't pick up his 1 bitcoin from mp
21:43 asciilifeform punkman: interestingly, these went both ways, the 'pickers-up' didn't on avg. fare any better/moar interestingly than the non-pickers
21:43 punkman he's still developing the thing, wonder if anyone has ever used it
21:44 asciilifeform 'TFC can also be run in three dedicated Qubes virtual machines. With the Qubes configuration, the isolation is provided by the Xen hypervisor, and the unidirectionality of data flow between the VMs is enforced with Qubes' qrexec framework. ' << i'ma guess nobody but orig. author
21:44 punkman yeah "virtual machine diode" is pretty lulzy
21:44 asciilifeform typical rube-goldberg 'chewing gum'.
21:44 dulapbot Logged on 2021-07-26 17:26:54 asciilifeform: the fundamental problem with 'duct tape and chewing gum' ciphermachines, is that it is very, very easy to fool yourself into thinking that you've achieved something, when in fact you have led yourself and -- worse, possibly people with actual secrets to protect -- to the chopping block, by putting same linux+opensores liquishitware into pocket-sized vaguely-ciphermachine-like package.
21:46 punkman seems like the otp version is now "share password so we can encrypt OTP and send it over Tor"
21:47 asciilifeform punkman: historically torism has been quite good litmus for 'can safely stop reading right here'
21:55 asciilifeform oblig. mp thread re same.
21:55 dulapbot (trilema) 2016-02-08 mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag incidentally, this is the most shocking part of the maqp kid. he is utterly alone, for this reason entirely hopeless, and his solution is "hey, better aloneliness potion would help!"
~ 29 minutes ~
22:24 punkman funnily enough, tfc has not tipjar "There is no business model. TFC is FOSS+FHD for freedom. In return we get the feeling of contributing something actually worthwhile to the society."
22:25 punkman maybe still working on secure btc address generation
~ 26 minutes ~
22:52 punkman https://unherd.com/thepost/the-most-vaccine-hesitant-education-group-of-all-phds/
22:52 punkman " People with a master’s degree had the least hesitancy, and the highest hesitancy was among those holding a Ph.D. "
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