00:08 |
vex |
asciilifeform, if you want some huffchain coin to play with, could prolly list some of those cool xrays in the art markets |
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00:38 |
vex |
I wonder how many `audits,' as I like to call them. shinohai might call `em rekt, are really boatingaccident.py |
00:43 |
vex |
mp, or nubs might ask for proof of 1000bc, trickier is proving no 1000bc |
00:48 |
vex |
kudos on getting a real doctor bingoboingo, it seems the motorhead script is working for you. I know you already know, but don't ever change up to pervitin |
01:00 |
adlai |
the premium of illicit pharmaceuticals, as opposed to the licit crap, really angers me |
01:02 |
adlai |
e.g., back when I was a literal speed freak, I compared my expenditures on amphetamine, with how much someone who smokes or drinks would spend on their poisons |
01:02 |
vex |
lemme guess adlai, you like your amphets metylated? |
01:02 |
adlai |
no, then I would not have used the word "literal". |
01:02 |
vex |
ok, cool |
01:03 |
* |
adlai took plain old generic pharmaceutical mishmash ~37.5% enantiopure amphetamine |
01:04 |
adlai |
now, if you wanna methylate amphetamines that also have other crap hanging off the phenyl, that's a different question |
01:05 |
adlai |
either way I doubt my problems in life are as easily fixed as "here, take this one pill before you begin studying, and you'll feel as though you had a solid night's sleep" |
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01:05 |
vex |
are you still boozing hard? |
01:05 |
adlai |
yes, although less often. |
01:06 |
adlai |
there are a bunch of ways to drink yourself to death slowly, instead of all in one gulp |
01:07 |
adlai |
e.g., I mostly avoid buying bottles; the whole "you never find a brick under a junkie's bed" cliche is quite accurate. |
01:08 |
adlai |
although, the quarantine atmosphere does make me severely consider cultivating some proper lone drunkard habits |
01:08 |
* |
adlai did once get police called on him while drinking at the previous apartment, so these habits need some planning |
01:09 |
vex |
whaddaya usually go to the pub? |
01:09 |
adlai |
yep |
01:09 |
vex |
sensible |
01:09 |
adlai |
back when I had friends who drank, I'd occasionally drink with friends. |
01:09 |
adlai |
these days I am quite certainly the "pet drunkard" of any friends I may have left. |
01:10 |
* |
adlai can't recall whether he ever explained the "pet drunkard" concept here; it is one that he explained several times, irl, along with its converse |
01:10 |
vex |
i get it |
01:10 |
adlai |
vex: you might actually find this concept, and teh converse, quite logical |
01:11 |
adlai |
it was originally explained to me by a stoner friend, as something along the lines of "I really need to talk to my straightedge again, it's been too long that I've only hung out with potheads" |
01:12 |
adlai |
followed by dead silence, and "what's a straightedge?" from the guy who never talked to anyone unless there were both drugs and money in the conversation |
01:12 |
adlai |
the general idea being that if your friend group is too homogenized, then you can get frog-boiled. |
01:13 |
adlai |
vex: you still drink? |
01:14 |
vex |
fucking oath, I threw my still out a few years sgo tho |
01:14 |
adlai |
oath!? |
01:14 |
adlai |
whaddaya wanna be pope someday? |
01:14 |
vex |
it's an aussieism, it means `my word' |
01:15 |
* |
adlai doesn't understand your answer |
01:15 |
vex |
yes, i do still drink |
01:15 |
adlai |
you could cuss and trash your still, and still drink... yeah |
01:15 |
adlai |
wouldja believe that stills are illegal in Israel? |
01:15 |
adlai |
well maybe owning one is not illegal |
01:16 |
vex |
yes, i'd belive that |
01:16 |
adlai |
like shroom spores... you can own them, just don't use them! |
01:17 |
adlai |
what kinda hooch did you used to make? |
01:18 |
vex |
I made the purest etoh I could |
01:18 |
* |
adlai only ever knowingly drank moonshine twice... both resulted in riotous headaches, although the hooch wasn't the only thing drunk either time |
01:18 |
adlai |
this is the way! |
01:19 |
adlai |
if it's the color of kidneystone piss, it probably tastes worse |
01:21 |
* |
adlai wonders whether to resume the dangling thread |
01:21 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-08-08 15:50:45 adlai: is not having this conversation now, although thank you for the invitation |
01:23 |
adlai |
ain't nothing worse than a drunkard arguing with a streetlight that ain't even there; except, perhaps, a dealer leaning against a lamppost that is not uniformed |
01:24 |
adlai |
the main reason I let that thread dangle, earlier, is because the answer "does not fit within the margin" |
01:26 |
adlai |
upon this rock I shall build my example: let's say your software is a book explaining what stan means by each of the sane laws of computing, except loper-os.org has been tarred, burned, and censored, and all that remains is commentaries by the fan club. |
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01:28 |
* |
adlai notes, [asciilifeform] idle: 1 day, 03 hours, and thus continues talking to himself |
01:29 |
vex |
he's prolly huffung eth :) |
01:29 |
adlai |
nahh, he's probably busy hand-optimizing a spike protein spectroscopy robot |
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01:29 |
vex |
or otherwise busy making a living |
01:30 |
adlai |
who knows, maybe he got blessed with the job of rubberhosing MP! |
01:30 |
adlai |
the world is small enough for this. |
01:31 |
adlai |
so, both the seven laws, and the attributes of bricklisp, are actually not relevant to software |
01:32 |
adlai |
which is exactly why my example-rock is "a book explaining", rather than 'trb', 'stator', 'musl', or even "metafont version algebraic-number-suchandsuch" |
01:33 |
adlai |
... it could be that a good example for arguing about widespread software flagdays is metafont |
01:34 |
adlai |
or tex, although I'm too painfully familiar with the latter |
01:36 |
vex |
I really enjoyed listening to mp & alf argue |
01:37 |
adlai |
this is getting dangerously close to another dangling thread, one that i'd much rather resume than ... how is software updated, vs. how it should be updated |
01:37 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-07-30 08:21:52 adlai: the question that led to this dangling thread is quite boring: "have you ever OCRed sheet music?" |
01:38 |
adlai |
my claim is that alf's recognition of OCR as a problem stillborn is due to the problem's being phrased too loosely. |
01:38 |
vex |
go on |
01:39 |
adlai |
sure, if you try to OCR a practice notebook that's got seven generations of scribbles, half of them rubbed out and rewritten, then you will have an AI-complete time, gouge your eyes out, and find a teacher who specializes in blind kids. |
01:41 |
adlai |
same for OCRing captchas, crumpled newsprint fished out of recycle bins, pirate copies of the constitution, etc |
01:41 |
adlai |
bad examples are endless. |
01:42 |
vex |
what's the solution to a loosly worded problem? |
01:43 |
adlai |
perhaps a better problem to attack is "what are the minimal constraints to impose upon the typesetting macros, that enable bit-identical reconstruction by the reverser" |
01:43 |
vex |
perhaps |
01:43 |
adlai |
e.g., "never let a legato mark cross a fingering hint" |
01:44 |
adlai |
e.g., "do not typeset mathematics" |
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01:44 |
adlai |
etc! |
01:45 |
vex |
humans are cheap, use humans |
01:45 |
adlai |
humans are stupid, even without prolonged hypoxia |
01:46 |
* |
adlai doubts magic nucleocapsids make humans stupid ~without~ hypoxia being the direct cause of idiocy |
01:47 |
adlai |
then again, "I am neither a doctor of philosophy, nor a doctor of justice" |
01:47 |
vex |
where's that from? |
01:47 |
* |
adlai |
01:47 |
vex |
a doctor of medecine perhaps? |
01:47 |
adlai |
nyet, not yet |
01:48 |
vex |
you're working towards it? |
01:48 |
adlai |
I have considered enrolling to study that, although apparently the local schools are badly allocated. |
01:48 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-08#1050842 << lol! ( would like to say 'ah yes!' but in fact was doing 'unsexy' auto maintenance things -- not being mp (tm)(r)(r) i dun have minions to do it -- and similar chores ) |
01:48 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-08-08 21:25:19 adlai: nahh, he's probably busy hand-optimizing a spike protein spectroscopy robot |
01:48 |
adlai |
they overprovide for talk therapy, and underprovide for veterinary medicine |
01:49 |
adlai |
asciilifeform: well, the internet-of-things-that-move is what, three nines of the reversing market? |
01:49 |
adlai |
windows virii gonna go the way of the prealpha variant, someday |
01:50 |
asciilifeform |
adlai: wouldn't know, got outta that racket long ago |
01:51 |
adlai |
my guess is that the windows virii ecosystem will have a looong-tailed death, although this is more due to industrial control systems and braindead office corporations, than any inherent fitness of the virii themselves |
01:52 |
adlai |
whydya call it a racket, though? |
01:53 |
adlai |
forensics against an infected computer it is no more racketry than pediatrics is a ponzi. |
01:54 |
vex |
someone else was making all the coin. qed racket |
01:54 |
asciilifeform |
^ |
01:54 |
adlai |
saturated markets are the worst. |
01:57 |
adlai |
someday maybe I'll pick up the other dangle, although I am still too ignorant today |
01:57 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-07-30 08:30:51 adlai: defaults to "musst nicht sprechen" re:1812.00942; after all, the only thing he understands worse than bitcoin, is topology |
01:58 |
adlai |
back to topic, I am gradually forming greater empathy towards the statistic I found in the university shitrag, that students of medicine eat nagant much more commonly than bureaucrats would like. |
01:59 |
adlai |
this I read while enrolled for chemistry; ditching that in favor of mathematics, dual with 'earth sciences', did not much improve my own motivations. |
02:00 |
adlai |
all this was before the zoomocalypse. |
02:01 |
* |
adlai does often consider enrolling in a trade school that is quite blatantly a trade school, rather than "oh, we r university, look upon our public grant cheese and respair" |
02:01 |
adlai |
obviously for-profit schools get all the hate, especially so soon after trump's fame. |
02:03 |
adlai |
maybe I should enroll in Draper University for Heros; this would make a good section in an Encyclopedia Drammatica entry, no? |
02:03 |
vex |
go do med; adlais pathology lab will make millies |
02:05 |
adlai |
more likely prognosis is travelling circus of tattoo removal and reclawing felines |
02:05 |
vex |
lol |
02:05 |
adlai |
pathology lab = much capex on concrete |
02:05 |
adlai |
not to mention opex in cement |
02:06 |
adlai |
actually bingoboingo's plan sounded cool |
02:06 |
vex |
wassat? |
02:07 |
* |
adlai digs |
02:07 |
vex |
what plan was that? |
02:08 |
vex |
treasure hunting? |
02:08 |
adlai |
staying away from the sparse plates |
02:08 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-06-27 18:51:30 BingoBoingo: Many ships loaded with Inca riches never made it to Spain. Some may have died hugging the coast too much |
02:09 |
adlai |
ofc my practical metaphysics is slightly different from "if only captain keeps coin, boat = racket" |
02:09 |
adlai |
mileage varies by trade. |
02:11 |
vex |
the dubloons are under a fuckton of mud |
02:13 |
adlai |
this is why you leave treasure hunting to folks who already have the capital to blow on capex, and learn trades instead |
02:13 |
vex |
`cursed' if you like |
02:15 |
adlai |
anyway, it's a moot point, since the days of "walk to port, see whether they're hiring" went the way of "walk to factory, compare parity of headcount and limbcount, maybe they are hiring!" |
02:16 |
vex |
i'd say those days are still existant, and in full swing |
02:16 |
* |
adlai will reconsider this tactic after ~half-decade of miserly psychopath behavior |
02:16 |
adlai |
it depends what world you walk |
02:17 |
adlai |
if your path goes by lenovo assembly plant in zero-reported-cases-of-plagueistan, sure |
02:17 |
vex |
and if your path is back and fro from the pub, you sure as shit want something to show for it |
02:18 |
vex |
otherwise useless |
02:19 |
adlai |
whereas in "1st world!!!oneoneone!!", all "help wanted" signs are pretty invariably either "sweep floor under braindead bureaucrat's wheelie armchair", or "sell fine high-quality well-branded never-overpriced trademarks, wholesaled direct from dropshipper, to pedestrian dinks and yuppies" |
02:20 |
* |
adlai did at one point go through listings of jobs advertised to students, middled by the university; ~dozen phone calls amounted to ~nothing |
02:20 |
vex |
I fucking love reading adali |
02:20 |
adlai |
tbh, phone calls and emails |
02:21 |
adlai |
the pandemic somewhat killed the whole "walk into workplace" approach |
02:21 |
vex |
says who? |
02:22 |
vex |
get a stylish mask |
02:22 |
adlai |
e.g., one of the best possibilities that I encountered was various menial jobs at the cute little botanical garden next to the university campus... except, they stopped accepting public visitors, all "help wanted" notices cancelled until further notice |
02:23 |
vex |
walking in is very different to help wanted |
02:23 |
* |
adlai hates the capex |
02:23 |
vex |
I'd guess that most organisations never knew they needed an adlai |
02:24 |
adlai |
I've seen how friends got walkin jobs at bars and cafes |
02:24 |
adlai |
the capex ranges from... enough work experience to coldread the room, to... dude who could open a barbershop with his family cheese. |
02:25 |
adlai |
except, wanted to work at someone else's racket, because not idiot! |
02:26 |
adlai |
most organisations probably don't need an adlai, tbh |
02:26 |
vex |
don't tell `em that |
02:27 |
adlai |
"greatest strength: writes like an illiterate; greatest weakness: honesty" |
02:27 |
vex |
get a nice suit made and turn up |
02:27 |
adlai |
believe it or not, I have never owned a suit. |
02:27 |
vex |
you're far from illiterate |
02:27 |
* |
adlai somehow survived over three years of prep school without owning a suit! |
02:27 |
vex |
get one |
02:28 |
* |
adlai has worn suits; never owned. |
02:28 |
vex |
get a time machine to 1983 wall street |
02:28 |
adlai |
pfffffffff |
02:28 |
vex |
cocaine word salad. fucking minted! |
02:29 |
vex |
seriously, you're a sharp dude |
02:29 |
adlai |
it's the fkin twenties, it should be possible to wall street without the time machine to 1983 |
02:29 |
vex |
there you go |
02:30 |
vex |
it's the twenties. i never thought of that |
02:30 |
adlai |
this is why my plan includes the half decade of miserly psychopathy |
02:30 |
vex |
lol |
02:31 |
adlai |
there is a chance that I will actually have no problem whatsoever paying the capital gains bribe, grafting bottles of cognac to accountants, etc, in a few years. |
02:31 |
adlai |
right now, though, I am more likely to get certificates in accounting, nursing, and microsoft network admin, than wearing a suit to a job interview. |
02:32 |
vex |
not sure how firece adlais troll game is |
02:33 |
vex |
you're serious |
02:33 |
adlai |
yes |
02:33 |
adlai |
fwiw, job interviews in Israel rarely expect you to wear a suit |
02:34 |
vex |
that doesn't mean you can't |
02:34 |
adlai |
wall street's "business casual" would be considered being dressed for some occasion in ~every office in Israel |
02:34 |
* |
vex has never been to Israel |
02:35 |
adlai |
the place is quite terrible |
02:35 |
vex |
hey, if there's a pub, I'm set |
02:36 |
adlai |
there is a nonzero chance that I'll die sober and renounced in some dingy downtown apartment in Tehran, if Israel keeps going the way it has been |
02:37 |
adlai |
supposedly there is a vibrant nonzionist jewish community there. |
02:37 |
adlai |
similar to the folks in new york, who wouldn't get on a plane to israel if you paid them in uncut gems |
02:37 |
signpost |
lol @ cocaine word salad |
02:38 |
adlai |
oi signpost ! where you pointin? |
02:38 |
vex |
lol @ you last gem sir, i forget the funny, but I spit my cofee out |
02:38 |
signpost |
et u bruv |
02:39 |
adlai |
signpost: ocean acidification is the new climate change |
02:39 |
signpost |
all is vanity, where's my mother |
02:40 |
adlai |
this does not mean you have to actually develop any strong opinion either way |
02:40 |
signpost |
yeah, that was pretty much my point, actually |
02:40 |
signpost |
"what do I know, and whatever, death is a release far earlier than the day your pulse stops" etc |
02:41 |
adlai |
well, you can start by focusing your worries |
02:41 |
adlai |
e.g., ocean acidification is a K1-level problem; whereas acid rain is a K0 |
02:41 |
adlai |
K0 being "addressable by less than the entire planetary economy" |
02:42 |
asciilifeform |
perhaps apropos, http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-07#1050604 << i can picture this goin' places you wouldn't necessarily like. 'drink coffee? not employable' 'has sex?' 'likes to sunbathe?' [insert enjoyable but undesirable from insurer-of-bovines pov activity] |
02:42 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-08-07 23:08:17 mats: well, more like they won't employ you if you admit to tobacco use |
02:43 |
* |
adlai rounded down aggressively; if you want to troll this out, there's a whole K-topology of urban problems, suburban problems, etc |
02:43 |
asciilifeform |
ftr i aint even convinced that phaseout of tobacco wasn't a factor in blowing the bottom outta euro civ |
02:43 |
adlai |
didja know that there are still people who claim that tobacco smoking has any benefits, whatsoever? |
02:44 |
* |
adlai was surprised to encounter more than zero of these during his lifetime |
02:44 |
asciilifeform |
adlai: the benefits, if such exist, aint necessarily accessible to you or i |
02:44 |
signpost |
asciilifeform: I'd believe it. all this "attention deficit" was probably lurking under the nicotine foom. |
02:44 |
asciilifeform |
^ |
02:45 |
adlai |
it's definitely possible to split between benefits of nicotine as nootropic, and the smoking behavior |
02:46 |
signpost |
incidentially, tried oxiracetam a while back. |
02:46 |
adlai |
what I was surprised to encounter was people who actually claim that smoking, with all the risks of lung cancer etc, is overall beneficial |
02:46 |
asciilifeform |
signpost: pretty sure i've tried all the known *racetams.. |
02:46 |
* |
asciilifeform can't attest to a useful effect |
02:47 |
adlai |
most smokers who actually tolerated the subject eventually claimed some sort of agnosticism |
02:47 |
* |
signpost noticed a moderate focused buzz with oxi, not enough of a step beyond coffee to bother. |
02:48 |
mats |
i like caffeine pills a lot |
02:48 |
* |
adlai spent several years of his life practicing almost rabid smoking-atheism, so had quite a few of these conversations with active smokers |
02:48 |
asciilifeform |
adlai: since prev. thread touched on the very related vaccine wank -- you may already be familiar with 'beneficial on civilizational scale, but not necessarily for YOU, in particular' |
02:48 |
signpost |
adlai: I used to chain smoke like a fiend. |
02:49 |
adlai |
sure, although that is not the kind of benefit to which I referred |
02:49 |
signpost |
hand rollies too. |
02:49 |
asciilifeform |
fact is -- errything which distinguishes us from the apes, was created by folx who -- en masse, if not 'to a man' necessarily -- 1) drank 2) smoked 3) considered both entirely normal for grown man |
02:49 |
signpost |
sniff of cocaine here and there, even. |
02:49 |
asciilifeform |
for instance. |
02:50 |
asciilifeform |
whereas the current-day 'be smart, don't start'(tm)(r) civ so far aint much to write home about. |
02:50 |
vex |
best monkey |
02:50 |
adlai |
I never got as far as "ok, mr chainsmoker neurosurgeon, please draw mechanisms of how tar metabolites lead to reincarnation of ubermensch", although my impression was that it's similar to how "if it hurts, stop doing it" leads to never exercising |
02:51 |
vex |
neurosurgeons are generally straightedge |
02:52 |
adlai |
good word, vex ; the idiomatic preimage from the conversation, whence I took that idea, does not equal "zealotously sober" |
02:53 |
adlai |
it's closer to "actively seeks out the consensus of first-world peer pressure" |
02:53 |
asciilifeform |
adlai: if yer interested genuinely in the answer, rather than snark/feeling of superiority -- betcha you could get an interesting answer outta that surgeon. |
02:53 |
asciilifeform |
for instance, that a cig steadies his hands. or deadens sense of smell (afaik virtually all, e.g. pathologoanatomists, smoke) etc |
02:53 |
adlai |
asciilifeform: probably, once I actually have such a conversation with a surgeon! |
02:53 |
* |
asciilifeform not surgeon, does not propose to know |
02:54 |
* |
adlai does not have any operators in wot, fwiw |
02:54 |
vex |
you prolly woulda mada a good one alf |
02:54 |
adlai |
talk therapist with a certificate /= operator |
02:55 |
adlai |
my favorite psychiatrist's motto is "a psychiatrist is nothing more than a doctor who is afraid of blood", and I am probably a bit too young to have enough frie^H^H^Hacquaintances that the wot includes active operators. |
02:56 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-08#1050626 << 'health insurance' is simply riotously bogus concept. |
02:56 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-08-08 13:42:25 mats: what's more likely is that they'll just lie to secure employment, discovered during treatment for an unrelated issue, get fired, sued by the insurance company, and perhaps prosecuted for fraud |
02:56 |
verisimilitude |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-08#1050769 I used a dice to decide. |
02:56 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-08-08 17:36:58 verisimilitude: I need to write today, but I'm not certain what I should write about, and my work will disappoint me no matter what I do. |
02:56 |
verisimilitude |
Hello, adlai. |
02:56 |
asciilifeform |
wb verisimilitude |
02:57 |
vex |
so, what are you writing about? |
02:57 |
verisimilitude |
I began work on an English Elision dictionary. |
02:57 |
verisimilitude |
It's extremely disappointing. |
02:58 |
verisimilitude |
I'd already begun, rather, and choose to mention it today. |
02:59 |
vex |
heck, it might be useful, we've been discussing ocr |
02:59 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-08#1050675 << outta curiosity, mats, how many times does asciilifeform need to personally catch the virus and say 'big fat load of nuffin' (current counter -- at least 1) before he gets to wipe his arse with this so-called 'science' ? |
02:59 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-08-08 14:30:48 mats: i distrust usg about as much as anyone else here i think, its not equivalent to denying science |
02:59 |
verisimilitude |
That's one application already thought of, yes. |
02:59 |
asciilifeform |
y'know, like wipe arse with 'climate science'. |
03:00 |
adlai |
verisimilitude: didja ever digest this partial objection ? |
03:00 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-02-04 11:12:16 adlai: admits that zipf-shaped is an overly handwavy dismissal; the idea being that natural-language text, unless compressed to the point of being effectively a random blob, still does contain probabilistic structure |
03:00 |
vex |
did you get the delta alf? |
03:00 |
asciilifeform |
vex: how'd i know. |
03:00 |
vex |
can i haz stuff? |
03:00 |
verisimilitude |
Rephrase it for me, adlai. |
03:00 |
vex |
only joking alf. you're tuff as fuck |
03:01 |
verisimilitude |
I also caught it and, while I'd some issues, it wasn't life-threatening. |
03:01 |
verisimilitude |
It was simply the worst cold I'd ever had. |
03:01 |
* |
vex hasn't had it |
03:01 |
asciilifeform |
the sense of smell thing was annoying. ( asciilifeform aint a pathologoanatomist.. ) |
03:02 |
adlai |
verisimilitude: my guess is that you'll have better luck building Verisimilitude-Anonymouth, than elision for a live language; and I have no idea regarding e.g. 'modern standard arabic', 'francais a l'academie', etc |
03:02 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-08#1050712 << recall btw why polio even existed , when it did, where it did. |
03:02 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-08-08 15:52:34 signpost: billymg: my grandfather "trusted" (by way of no alternative) his immune system with polio, and happened to beat it |
03:02 |
verisimilitude |
Oh my, how close to the mark that is; just wait to read it, adlai. |
03:03 |
asciilifeform |
( likbez re polio. ) |
03:03 |
dulapbot |
(trilema) 2018-12-11 asciilifeform: ( likbez : man is the only known reservoir. and spread in shit. prior to mid 20th c, vanishingly rare, cuz damn near errybody inoculated through exposure to ~some~ liquishit in water. then suddenly ~0 shit-eating, among the industrial city folx, and thing appears on epidemiological map ) |
03:03 |
adlai |
I realize that you aim for writing in a recent and modernly-compatible dialect of english-the-lowercase-braindamage, rather than spamoladujour, yet this is still different from standardized languages. |
03:03 |
mats |
asciilifeform likely has a decent diet and lives in sanitary conditions |
03:04 |
vex |
meh^ |
03:04 |
asciilifeform |
mats: possibly. but where then are the expected 1e8 suddenly dead africans ? |
03:05 |
vex |
the world changes |
03:05 |
mats |
africa's population is growing really quickly |
03:05 |
asciilifeform |
mats: how's this relate ? |
03:05 |
mats |
it doesn't, just that a lot of the population is young |
03:05 |
asciilifeform |
what, no one counts the corpses, only total walking heads, there ? |
03:06 |
adlai |
re:liquishit - while markets climbed the wall of panic off the fumes of vaccine hopium, I joked that I was already vaccinated because I eat fruit off the sidewalk. joke did not seem to go over too well. |
03:06 |
adlai |
also, fruit off the sidewalk tastes worse than tap water, no matter what municipality allows it |
03:08 |
adlai |
the various african nations have surprisingly low covid death counts in the stats reported to the WHO |
03:08 |
vex |
africa largely moves around slowly on foot |
03:08 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-08#1050720 << >> http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-03#1050208 |
03:08 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-08-08 16:05:31 billymg: do we assume the other 89% is attributed to suicide, drug overdoses, etc. stemming from lockdown depression? |
03:08 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-08-03 14:03:58 asciilifeform: punkman: the shuttering of hospitals under banner of covidiocy can similarly magically disappear almost all disease. straight from bed to funeral parlour, now they go, and the mortician doesn't diagnose or increment e.g. flu stats |
03:08 |
adlai |
"surprisingly low" macroexpands to "divergent downwards relative to confirmed cases" |
03:09 |
adlai |
my hypothesis being that there are fewer stat-padding doctors -- perhaps, to be precise, mortuary employees -- in africa |
03:09 |
asciilifeform |
^ |
03:09 |
adlai |
whereas "mystery corpse? must've been the plague" is more common in europe & americas |
03:09 |
asciilifeform |
adlai: well-coordinated lying requires 'high civilization'. |
03:10 |
adlai |
my favorite lol from reading WHO reports is that only something like two thirds of the reported cases actually have the additional paperwork that the WHO requests |
03:10 |
adlai |
additional paperwork ~= per corpse, doctor signs name to paper saying age and sex of corpse |
03:11 |
adlai |
turns out that signatures actually do cost something! |
03:11 |
asciilifeform |
adlai: the beauty of it all is that it doesn't matter worth a fuck just HOW obvious the sham is. by so much as implying that yer aware of the sham, you instantly (to mats or other fella who hasn't 'shot the policeman inside his head') placing yourself into the company of the 'martians'. |
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03:11 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-07-26 12:17:50 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-26#1048608 << textbook example of successfully applied discreditation spray. |
03:11 |
asciilifeform |
i.e. outside of 'polite society'. |
03:11 |
asciilifeform |
it's the current-day equiv. of 'mno, jet fuel dun melt steel' |
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03:12 |
asciilifeform |
'you're AGAINST SCIENCE, nutter!' etc |
03:13 |
adlai |
impolite society isn't much better, tbh. |
03:13 |
asciilifeform |
adlai: this is both 100% factual and constructed. |
03:13 |
vex |
thank fuck we didnt get ebola |
03:13 |
* |
adlai spent a while in impolite society, ended up with questions such as "what do you think about spike proteins?" and "why don't you talk to me about bitcoin!" |
03:13 |
asciilifeform |
y'know WHY not better, adlai ? because folx who very much oughta know better, carry on mats-ing. |
03:13 |
vex |
whats matzing? |
03:14 |
asciilifeform |
i.e. have not set the bozo bit in their heads re the reich. |
03:14 |
adlai |
how did mats earn this tar-and-strawmanning? |
03:14 |
asciilifeform |
adlai: i disagree that 'tar and strawmanning' is happening there. but responding to this item. |
03:14 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-08-08 14:30:48 mats: i distrust usg about as much as anyone else here i think, its not equivalent to denying science |
03:15 |
* |
adlai has quite sparse mental model of mats ; roughly stereotypes to "N-th-generation chinese-american soldier" |
03:15 |
vex |
just pay your taxes alf. no problemo |
03:15 |
verisimilitude |
Let us remember not to anthropomorphize science and like things. |
03:15 |
asciilifeform |
not erryone is ready to mentally check outta the reich and into the reality where 100% of the academics have to be shot before anything worth calling 'science' is again possible. |
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03:16 |
mats |
good one |
03:16 |
adlai |
'soldier' might not be the most accurate stereotype, dunno how the whole soldier->reservist->veteran->headstone slope decompiles in modern ameristan. |
03:16 |
adlai |
mats: when did you last wash gun oil outta your fingernails? |
03:17 |
adlai |
'gun oil' = anything that makes you want to use insecticide-grade laundry detergent instead of sweet-smelling hand soap |
03:17 |
asciilifeform |
adlai: i've nuffin against mats in particular. but imho anyone who regards 'published in lancet' or 'degree from harvard' differently from 'published in graffiti in public toilet' and 'degree from pyongyang political science dept.' is in a state of sin. |
03:18 |
verisimilitude |
That's unfair to the North Koreans, asciilifeform. |
03:18 |
adlai |
do toilets next to the classrooms of public university campus count? |
03:18 |
asciilifeform |
verisimilitude: possibly |
03:18 |
mats |
multiple people in my wot have spent decades of their lives advancing cutting edge chemotherapy and oncology treatments |
03:18 |
mats |
maybe that's a rounding error for you in the scheme of things but the research that happens isn't worth nothing |
03:19 |
asciilifeform |
mats: lemme ask you , did any of these people spend time studying ~why~ modern man even ~needs~ oncology treatments ? |
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03:19 |
verisimilitude |
I agree; only most academics should be culled. |
03:19 |
mats |
that's not helpful |
03:19 |
adlai |
mats: fwiw, if you object to having '-american soldier' in your stereotype, please do speak up |
03:19 |
asciilifeform |
and dun say 'because lives >30y' because i'ma die of laffter and not even live to oncological age then |
03:19 |
* |
adlai is simply working off the initial impression from the #b-a days |
03:19 |
signpost |
I see a lot that mats didn't say here. |
03:20 |
asciilifeform |
mats: yer prolly aware that asciilifeform spent some yrs in bio racket himself. (but not considers it sumthing to brag of) |
03:20 |
signpost |
fauci et al are clearly lying shitbag bureaucrats. doesn't follow that there is zero work being done *anywhere* |
03:21 |
mats |
there's no doubt that there's some one step forward, two steps back here -- some people are saved, many lives are ruined by the billing dept |
03:21 |
asciilifeform |
signpost: work done. just, adds to 0. |
03:21 |
asciilifeform |
just like in e.g. software. |
03:21 |
asciilifeform |
which the folx tuned in here i suspect more familiar with. |
03:21 |
adlai |
and, one of the earliest lectures -- i.e., standing uncomfortably and listening to an officer probably younger than the oldest soldier in the ranks yakking his heart out -- from basic training was on the topic of when to wear your uniform despite being on leave |
03:21 |
asciilifeform |
same process. it doesn't matter if there are a whole 7 honest, talented programmers at microshit campus. |
03:21 |
signpost |
yeah, the mechanism that integrates this into a society that is better off in the next frame is indeed broken. |
03:21 |
asciilifeform |
(if anyffin -- they, with their efforts, ~enable~ the frauds by spraying credibility juice) |
03:21 |
asciilifeform |
signpost: aha. |
03:23 |
adlai |
iirc, boiled down to "if you got extra days of leave to visit a funeral, I don't care if it means you have to get even another entire day of leave because you have to change clothes twice more, you are going to the graveyard in your military uniform" |
03:24 |
asciilifeform |
adlai: why wouldja ever ~not~ go in yer uniform. |
03:25 |
adlai |
lol! |
03:25 |
adlai |
itches, fits badly, etc |
03:25 |
* |
asciilifeform always envied soldiers their uniforms -- and not because 'style victim', but because 'dun need to think what to put on' |
03:25 |
adlai |
^ |
03:25 |
vex |
can always wear factory blue |
03:26 |
adlai |
there's much to be said for "oh, you wear custom-cooked shit from the pinnacle of fashion? well I wear bog-standard veblens engineered by three decades of younglings" |
03:26 |
vex |
when it's threadbare, less likely to get spun into the lathe |
03:26 |
verisimilitude |
I don't think about that anyway. |
03:26 |
asciilifeform |
verisimilitude: i mean 'not at all', not even 'what's the weather?' level |
03:27 |
verisimilitude |
Yes. |
03:27 |
asciilifeform |
a++ |
03:27 |
adlai |
fwiw, this is one area where female soldiers lose, and miserably. |
03:27 |
asciilifeform |
i like also the idea that no one would know anyffing at all by looking at yer clothes. |
03:27 |
asciilifeform |
(unless looking at epaulettes..) |
03:27 |
verisimilitude |
I once enjoyed wearing t-shirts, as a child. |
03:28 |
asciilifeform |
adlai: howsthat? |
03:28 |
adlai |
at least in the IDF; standard practice for them was, and probably still is, to take their veblens to a sewing machine so that they look better. |
03:28 |
mats |
lol |
03:28 |
asciilifeform |
adlai: this normal, even in sovok. |
03:28 |
* |
adlai never heard of warrant officers issuing reports for this |
03:29 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-08#1050681 << the lizards aint 'selfharming' , they simply install judas goats to lead the children of middle class to do it. |
03:29 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-08-08 14:41:03 signpost: this supposes a leadership caste that isn't filled with self-harming perverts, and probably just moves the problem of "spontaneous emergence of constructive human order" rather than solving anything. |
03:29 |
adlai |
whereas it is standard practice for MPs [military police, not the drowned man!] to report men for things as stupid as "used burgundy paper as background for beret pin instead of veblen crapstick" |
03:30 |
asciilifeform |
adlai: imho entirely logical. |
03:30 |
asciilifeform |
whole fucking point of a uniform.. |
03:30 |
signpost |
asciilifeform: I disagree; they're rotting themselves as well, but wait til you get to the part of the thread where I go full-tilt hippy. |
03:30 |
* |
asciilifeform still eating thrd.. |
03:30 |
* |
vex same |
03:32 |
adlai |
asciilifeform: the fashion engineers have a nontrivial task precisely because, sometime during the decades when Israel was more socio-communist than the modern capito-oligarchy, some top brass nutcase decided that the uniforms, which are pretty much unisex, have to also look good. |
03:32 |
asciilifeform |
adlai: couldn't hire hugo boss, eh |
03:32 |
adlai |
lol! |
03:32 |
vex |
lol |
03:33 |
adlai |
that is severely anticommunist |
03:33 |
vex |
howso? |
03:33 |
* |
adlai is referring to the kind of decade where the words "israeli sheqel" did not beg the question, "old or new" |
03:33 |
asciilifeform |
hey moar or less all modern armies copied some part of wehrmacht uniform by nao. |
03:34 |
vex |
have you been to goa adlai? |
03:34 |
adlai |
sprechen of dass, "All Quiet on the Western Front" actually is worth a reread, if you ever troubled to give it a first one |
03:35 |
* |
adlai found it much less of a 'pageturner', although still digestible |
03:35 |
adlai |
vex: no |
03:35 |
vex |
i stayed in the ru quarter |
03:35 |
adlai |
my main question during the reread was "so how did these idjits end up losing again" |
03:36 |
adlai |
and it actually is answered, near the end, from the narrator's perspective |
03:36 |
adlai |
overall the book is terrible and I don't recommend reading it even once |
03:37 |
adlai |
if you must read war fiction, there are better books. |
03:37 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-08#1050740 << observe that the pov with ~0 detectable representation outside of 'these walls' is 'it's a side show combat b/w coloured shirts, while lizards swallow what was left of the unswallowed landscape' |
03:37 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-08-08 16:46:27 signpost: strikes me that these threads always either say (intentional caricature) that "covid's fake" or "vaccines work (TM)" |
03:37 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-08-03 15:09:20 asciilifeform: '1) start fire 2) buy errything at fire-sale price 3) profit!11' |
03:38 |
vex |
asciilifeform, one huffing audit might yield sifab money |
03:38 |
asciilifeform |
vex: waiwat |
03:38 |
vex |
meet me in the pub |
03:38 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-08#1050744 << aha, see above. and watch the printing press. |
03:38 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-08-08 16:50:42 billymg: i don't have the log line handy but asciilifeform hinted at something similar. with the reaction to covid being more a means to sow division while they run off with anything not bolted down |
03:39 |
asciilifeform |
( 'stonks' up ? == theft by lizards, from humans. ) |
03:39 |
asciilifeform |
approximately, at any rate. |
03:39 |
* |
adlai taps out of convo ; enjoy the noise, boys! |
03:40 |
asciilifeform |
and idjit peasants jump with joy when 'house went up' |
03:40 |
vex |
get a tailor |
03:40 |
asciilifeform |
somehow unaware that their breathing simply got moar expensive. |
03:41 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-08#1050748 << there's a very analogous community of fucktards who have similarly totem relationship w/ 'flea as in fleadom! opensores!!!' computer |
03:41 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-08-08 16:58:24 billymg: speaking of the cowards at the top, it amazes me that in right wing circles online the discussion of what to do about them only ever revolves around "muh guns" and never around my computer and os |
03:41 |
asciilifeform |
they simply wear diff colour shirt |
03:41 |
asciilifeform |
( or didja think the 'red shirts' have something other than totem relationship w/ their arms ? ) |
03:42 |
asciilifeform |
# of lizards shot , to date, i'ma remind, is -- afaik -- 0. |
03:42 |
asciilifeform |
it'd seem that bullets oughta work on'em. but afaik not empirically tested. |
03:43 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-08#1050761 << this, incidentally, does not always have the stereotypically expected effect. |
03:43 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-08-08 17:21:55 signpost: "let's see how unattached you are with a car battery attached to your nuts" etc., and sure, the machine cries out, but what does this prove? |
03:43 |
asciilifeform |
some folx live for that moment. |
03:43 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-08#1050766 << very similarly ! |
03:43 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-08-08 17:34:07 verisimilitude: I vaguely remember my disappointment at realizing this so-called pandemic was fake, and not something which would kill hundreds of millions, perhaps leaving more room for me. |
03:45 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-08#1050770 << there's a proliferation of 'choke on own snot from swallowing peanut' and similar allergists in usa. often enuff vaccine (surprise? whole point to stimulate immune reaction..) sets off. |
03:45 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-08-08 18:21:23 whaack: i met a surfer-nurse five days ago, he claimed ~ 'i am not right wing, but i have given the vaccine shots to many, and it is not too rare that we shortly after have to rush the person to the ICU, I'm not vaccinated and I wouldn't risk it myself, lots of nurses agree and have fake CDC "i has the vax" cards, i believe what happens is that soon to be vaccine recipients come in with a lil covid that |
03:46 |
vex |
like i said. tuff as fuck |
03:46 |
asciilifeform |
place where i got it, had epinephrin syringes ready to go next to the vax one |
03:46 |
asciilifeform |
and the pack visibly wasn't full |
03:46 |
vex |
you had the mrna? |
03:46 |
signpost |
did I tell the tale of my dick surgery in the logs? |
03:46 |
vex |
whaa? |
03:46 |
signpost |
pretty close to car battery! |
03:47 |
vex |
sp. tell |
03:47 |
* |
signpost will summarize, was cackling at the discomfort of the male surgeons the entire time. |
03:47 |
vex |
dick surgery? |
03:47 |
signpost |
vex: sometimes ya rip the thing. |
03:47 |
asciilifeform |
vex: aha |
03:47 |
vex |
what? |
03:48 |
signpost |
vex: could you perhaps put these on the same line? |
03:48 |
vex |
theres's no female dick surgeons? |
03:48 |
vex |
soz mate, i get my ideas in fits |
03:49 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-08#1050789 << i dun do shitcoins, vex ; contact shinohai , iirc specializes in rape of shitcoin aficionados, may be able to help |
03:49 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-08-08 20:04:32 vex: asciilifeform, if you want some huffchain coin to play with, could prolly list some of those cool xrays in the art markets |
03:49 |
signpost |
anyhow, in response to "living for that moment". perhaps the famous monk was in ecstasy as he burned. |
03:49 |
signpost |
or at least having a chuckle. |
03:50 |
asciilifeform |
signpost: entirely possible. |
03:50 |
vex |
i'm sure shinohai would never be so presumtuous to invite you to the party asciilfeform |
03:51 |
asciilifeform |
vex: not errybody needs to be present at erry party. |
03:51 |
asciilifeform |
or life would not be so interesting. |
03:51 |
vex |
true enough. i feel like you might be able to audit stuff that hast been audited yet |
03:52 |
asciilifeform |
vex: asciilifeform audits two types of objects. 1) where someone pays -- and serious, not children's, dough -- on the barrel head. 2) where asciilifeform has 'skin in game'. |
03:52 |
vex |
forgeddaboutit |
03:53 |
* |
asciilifeform aint about to put 'skin in game' in any shitcoin, at any point, under any pretext. |
03:53 |
asciilifeform |
which leaves (1), theoretically. |
03:53 |
vex |
you don't need skin in it |
03:53 |
asciilifeform |
right, vex, one can also be (3) somebody with 'infinite' free time that's worth ~0 |
03:53 |
asciilifeform |
but not applicable here. |
03:54 |
vex |
noted extreme |
03:56 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-08#1050800 << performance dope aficionados -- unless ~uncommonly~ disciplined -- get nailed by tolerance buildup. |
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03:56 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-08-08 21:00:43 adlai: either way I doubt my problems in life are as easily fixed as "here, take this one pill before you begin studying, and you'll feel as though you had a solid night's sleep" |
03:56 |
dulapbot |
(trilema) 2016-12-01 asciilifeform: which is why i said to laddel 'dope requires discipline', because a lone programmer in a cellar is both general and soldier |
03:56 |
asciilifeform |
go figure, somehow erryone seems to agree that e.g. table saw requires skill, discipline, to use. |
03:56 |
asciilifeform |
lathe, backhoe, similarly |
03:57 |
vex |
poor fuck is prolly chained to some cartel mechanism |
03:57 |
asciilifeform |
but much moar powerful tool that backhoes ~yer brain~ somehow, they think -- not! |
03:57 |
asciilifeform |
it's a tool, yes, not a devil. |
03:57 |
asciilifeform |
but you aint born knowing how to use it. |
03:58 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-08#1050839 << i've said, imho, very little to date other than to elaborate on the abundantly obvious. |
03:58 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-08-08 21:22:29 adlai: upon this rock I shall build my example: let's say your software is a book explaining what stan means by each of the sane laws of computing, except loper-os.org has been tarred, burned, and censored, and all that remains is commentaries by the fan club. |
03:58 |
verisimilitude |
Watching others suffer is amusing. |
03:58 |
asciilifeform |
verisimilitude: only if novel. |
03:59 |
verisimilitude |
The people who buy ``bingle token'' or whatever don't understand what they do. |
03:59 |
asciilifeform |
i can tell, verisimilitude , that you also agree, otherwise would still be burning ants w/ magnifying glass, rather than tuned in here. |
03:59 |
verisimilitude |
I've never done that. |
03:59 |
asciilifeform |
then even more quickly bored than asciilifeform evidently. |
03:59 |
verisimilitude |
I enjoy watching them inflict it themselves. |
03:59 |
asciilifeform |
for asciilifeform , 9001st ant ~= 9000th. and similarly shitcoin user etc |
04:00 |
asciilifeform |
because asciilifeform is the type who gets bored quickly. |
04:00 |
verisimilitude |
They don't even know what cryptocurrency is. |
04:00 |
verisimilitude |
Yet, they dump their life savings into one. |
04:00 |
asciilifeform |
verisimilitude: all 100 $ of it, lolyes |
04:01 |
* |
asciilifeform recalls the various redditisms mp linked, 'i lost mah lifesavings!111' 'how much' '500$' |
04:01 |
verisimilitude |
How amusing. |
04:01 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-08#1050862 << asciilifeform admits that he's at a loss re wai adlai wants to reopen that wound and aint satisfied w/ 'tex' |
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dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-08-08 21:39:46 adlai: e.g., "do not typeset mathematics" |
04:04 |
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asciilifeform will bbl. |
04:06 |
vex |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liUcUslP96o |
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04:23 |
vex |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Anq9_23klx4 when mcafee quit, he left his pet a mechanism that worked |
04:35 |
vex |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1I1x2pYMK0 |
04:39 |
vex |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0zaebtU-CA |
04:43 |
vex |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45cYwDMibGo |
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05:25 |
vex |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qq09UkPRdFY |
05:31 |
verisimilitude |
Does scoopbot know me? |
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05:37 |
signpost |
verisimilitude: I'm about to go to bed, but did you ever pick up whitaker's words? |
05:37 |
signpost |
seems like it would be of interest to you. |
05:42 |
vex |
whois whitaker |
05:43 |
verisimilitude |
Yes. |
05:44 |
signpost |
iirc an air force d00d that wrote himself a latin parser. |
05:44 |
signpost |
good then, goodnight. |
05:44 |
vex |
cool |
05:46 |
vex |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgEspBGvRQA |
05:53 |
verisimilitude |
My plans need no parser, amusingly. |
05:57 |
verisimilitude |
Oh no: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02134-0 |
05:57 |
verisimilitude |
Reading papers before publishing them is too damn hard. |
06:09 |
punkman |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-08#1051089 << a tough place to be. sometimes I end up in this "current science is shit" conversation, especially after a few drinks. I don't think I've convinced anyoned, but I can see some people getting scared if I manage a few good points |
06:09 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-08-08 23:11:06 asciilifeform: not erryone is ready to mentally check outta the reich and into the reality where 100% of the academics have to be shot before anything worth calling 'science' is again possible. |
06:11 |
punkman |
Ioannidis reproducibility paper is a good starting point for the uninitiated |
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06:14 |
punkman |
re:medicine, I've long come to the conclusion that most doctors are not particularly smart, and they give zero fucks about updating their learnings. |
06:22 |
punkman |
easier to arrive at above, when you go to dozen doctors, do all the tests, and best diagnosis you get is "idiopathic pain"/"are you sure you are not imagining it?" |
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06:41 |
punkman |
still, I hope not all avenues of inquiry are as plagued as medicine/psychiatry/computer-science. I wonder how bad could the literature be, say in "metallurgy". |
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06:51 |
punkman |
feeling a sort of reverse Gell-Mann Amnesia effect. why should I expect "metallurgy" not be full of bozos? |
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10:19 |
punkman |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-08#1050664 << good example of "didn't find out, after all". what did we "find out later" about 9/11? even talking about it 20 years later, sort of makes you a weirdo |
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10:19 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-08-08 14:19:34 punkman: there's a lot of "will found out later" going around, kinda worried we actually won't "find out later" for a lot of it |
10:19 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-08-08 23:07:39 asciilifeform: it's the current-day equiv. of 'mno, jet fuel dun melt steel' |
10:20 |
punkman |
and I fully expect the "war on respiratory virii" to go about as well as the "war on terror" |
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10:41 |
punkman |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-09#1051273 << the paper, should be mandatory reading for anyone involved in research |
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10:41 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-08-09 02:06:48 punkman: Ioannidis reproducibility paper is a good starting point for the uninitiated |
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13:33 |
PeterL |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-09#1051259 << I had assumed that all RSS feeds would be listed with the newsest items first, but it looks like yours is listed the other way around? |
13:33 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-08-09 01:27:12 verisimilitude: Does scoopbot know me? |
13:39 |
PeterL |
so yes, it is looking at http://verisimilitudes.net/rss.xml but the first thing listed is from last January |
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16:08 |
adlai |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-08#1051250 << well, I diversify my reading to minimize 'coyote treads air off cliff' phenomenon in case some 21st-century grothendieck burns down the house of bourbaki; and this has led me to wading in parallel through a bunch of texts |
16:08 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-08-08 23:57:39 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-08#1050862 << asciilifeform admits that he's at a loss re wai adlai wants to reopen that wound and aint satisfied w/ 'tex' |
16:11 |
adlai |
my reactions, in roughly chronological order: gallian, writing in english words and numbers: good; |
16:11 |
adlai |
munkres, writing in english and simple line diagrams: good; |
16:12 |
adlai |
... translator's butchery of vinogradov, apparently typeset by mechanical means: cto za tex!? |
16:14 |
adlai |
so, my puerile sadism in the specific case of 'typeset mathematics' boils down to, in response to alf's response to mp's "why hieroglyphs?", that mathematics's complexity deserves hieroglyphs, is that the hieroglyphs don't actually reduce any complexity. they only hide it. |
16:17 |
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adlai encountered another megab00k on topology that the author gives away for free, in warez form on his site ; and was quite amused to read, in the frontmatters, that the author writes in raw tex for precision of hieroglyph locations. |
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16:18 |
adlai |
fwiw, while I have not ever sent anything in for publication, and submitted almost no homework to the mathematics department in my semester there, I did actually typeset my QM homework |
16:19 |
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adlai even has physical copy of 'texbook' ! |
16:22 |
adlai |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-09#1051277 << there are socially-styled meritocracies (e.g. medicine, Your Honor, etc), and there are "fuck up and die" professions |
16:22 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-08-09 02:46:42 punkman: feeling a sort of reverse Gell-Mann Amnesia effect. why should I expect "metallurgy" not be full of bozos? |
16:23 |
adlai |
now, editor of a 5Kg monograph on metallurgy, whose work primarily consisted of farming out peer review to professors specializing in each different niche -- sure, might be a glorified secretary |
16:27 |
adlai |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-09#1051282 << ty for link; my previous reading on this general topic was a little booklet titled "The Overproduction of Truth" |
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16:27 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-08-09 06:36:56 punkman: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-09#1051273 << the paper, should be mandatory reading for anyone involved in research |
16:31 |
punkman |
adlai: another classic for you https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC300808/ |
16:34 |
adlai |
[ http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-09#1051299 >> already located in the library of babylon! http://libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=71F05654B2DDF9F4C7F4E6FCBF9ECD2A ] |
16:34 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-08-09 12:23:06 adlai: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-09#1051282 << ty for link; my previous reading on this general topic was a little booklet titled "The Overproduction of Truth" |
16:36 |
adlai |
the journal.plos.org article webpage is a bit of a rabbithole... has its own comment section! |
16:36 |
punkman |
heh, gov/isp is blocking that domain |
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16:37 |
adlai |
typo; journals.plos.org |
16:37 |
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adlai is referring to the previous link |
16:39 |
punkman |
https://z-lib.org/ finds unblocked domain for you, in case anyone needs |
16:39 |
adlai |
rofl 'gravitational challenge' |
16:39 |
adlai |
it's not the phree fall that kills you, it's the sudden newtonian bill at the end |
16:40 |
asciilifeform |
punkman: dun seem to load here |
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16:42 |
adlai |
"/pmc/articles/PMC300808/" path goes to nifty HTML5 web viewer, 'Pubreader' ; luddites might prefer https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC300808/pdf/32701459.pdf |
16:42 |
thestringpuller |
billymg: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-06#1050543 << they make it sound this way; all this does is increase crime for in person cash transactions |
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16:42 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-08-06 13:14:27 billymg: thestringpuller: the infrastructure bill will require a TRB V patch that implements KYC/AML data collection upon initial startup of your node (to be stored with ClearPassID™). if you don't comply apple will "find" illegal photos on your phone and an Amazon Community Safety™ drone (with taser attachment) will be sent to your location |
16:45 |
adlai |
fwiw, it's cool that the authors of the parachute meta-study managed to get a negative result published |
16:47 |
thestringpuller |
mats: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-06#1050546 << i don't even think they are trying to hide the artificial floors on things like cryptopunks and bored apes; they've gone full ponzi with the guise of collectibles. |
16:47 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-08-06 17:02:04 mats: hopefully nfts get regulated and there are knock on effects for the broader art industry |
16:48 |
thestringpuller |
this exact thing happened in the 90s with comics, Stan Lee issues of spider-man were selling for 200x original price, and with Marvel being bankrupt over printed the comics and created this weird "tulip mania" within comics from 1992-2006; |
16:54 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-09#1051311 << ~now~ worx, go figure. by all indications, ddos |
16:54 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-08-09 12:36:20 asciilifeform: punkman: dun seem to load here |
16:55 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-09#1051275 << ~= priests. |
16:55 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-08-09 02:18:10 punkman: easier to arrive at above, when you go to dozen doctors, do all the tests, and best diagnosis you get is "idiopathic pain"/"are you sure you are not imagining it?" |
16:55 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-09#1051276 << recent bridge & other structure collapses suggest that the pattern holds there. |
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16:55 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-08-09 02:37:40 punkman: still, I hope not all avenues of inquiry are as plagued as medicine/psychiatry/computer-science. I wonder how bad could the literature be, say in "metallurgy". |
16:56 |
asciilifeform |
unsurprisingly. |
16:57 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-09#1051278 << the known-even-to-rubes traditional example in usa is the death of kennedy. |
16:57 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-08-09 06:14:47 punkman: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-08#1050664 << good example of "didn't find out, after all". what did we "find out later" about 9/11? even talking about it 20 years later, sort of makes you a weirdo |
16:58 |
asciilifeform |
the ~original~ '9/11', where the Official truth wasn't even trying very hard to hold water, and anyone questioning written off immediately as 'nutter' and consequently banned from 'respectable' sphere |
17:01 |
thimbronion |
Relatedly I'm "reading" a biography of Dulles at the moment. |
17:02 |
asciilifeform |
in sovok at the time , already there was an established meme of 'вялотекущая шизофрения' ('sluggish schizophrenia') : convenient diagnosis for packing dissenters off to asylum. in usa lizards decided they needed an analogous item. hence now can go and read about 'conspiratorial thinking' and the 'mental disorders' which cause it etc |
17:02 |
dulapbot |
(trilema) 2014-11-12 mircea_popescu: the "body of human science" understood as "the government employees paid to derp on a topic" enacted "slow moving schizophrenia" as a thing. |
17:06 |
thimbronion |
It's entertaining to read this from the perspective of a nazi-hating libertard. Dulles is framed as being a bad guy because he tried to work with the Nazis before/after the end of the war. |
17:07 |
thimbronion |
Meanwhile commie state dept. employees collaborating with the SU are just free spirits that got caught up in the times. |
17:08 |
asciilifeform |
thimbronion: that ~all~ of these served lizards, faithfully, is somehow lost on folx. |
17:08 |
asciilifeform |
( why e.g. h. ford built factories in su ? profitable. ) |
17:10 |
asciilifeform |
thimbronion: dulles for his part was working for same folx who had commissioned and funded hitler to begin with. |
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17:11 |
thimbronion |
asciilifeform: any thoughts on Nuremburg? Greatest fraud of all time? Legit? Somewhere in between? |
17:11 |
thimbronion |
asciilifeform: Oh yeah. Started out as a Wall St. lawyer. |
17:12 |
asciilifeform |
thimbronion: fraud from virtually any possible pov. |
17:12 |
asciilifeform |
and in fact foundational event in the creation of the current reich. |
17:12 |
thimbronion |
Obscene to think of the Dresden/A-bombers prosecuting the Nazis for war crimes. |
17:13 |
thimbronion |
As if there could be such a thing as a war crime. |
17:14 |
thimbronion |
It makes a mockery of the judicial system. |
17:16 |
asciilifeform |
thimbronion: imho is important to remember that totalitarianism won the war, and in fact 'won' the century, for what imho were fundamental civilizational-stage reasons. |
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17:16 |
dulapbot |
(trilema) 2015-05-04 ascii_field: 'I remember saying once to Arthur Koestler, ‘History stopped in 1936’, at which he nodded in immediate understanding. We were both thinking of totalitarianism in general, but more particularly of the Spanish civil war. Early in life I have noticed that no event is ever correctly reported in a newspaper, but in Spain, for the first time, I saw newspaper reports which did not bear any relation to the facts, not eve |
17:16 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-05-24 16:57:15 asciilifeform: the totalitarian philosophy (yes) is that 'the natural human bottom-up norms suck, let's force new ones by royal decree and enforce with ubiquitous surveillance, snitch culture, and draconian punishments' approx. |
17:16 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-05-24 17:10:43 asciilifeform: a more compact statement of the key idea, for impatient folx, is in orwell's 'you and the atomic bomb'. |
17:16 |
punkman |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-09#1051323 << aren't these usually old and unmaintained bridges though? not much of metallurgy issue |
17:16 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-08-09 12:51:36 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-09#1051276 << recent bridge & other structure collapses suggest that the pattern holds there. |
17:18 |
asciilifeform |
punkman: not always. |
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17:19 |
mats |
i don't think there were any failures of engineering per se, but contractors taking shortcuts and corruption |
17:19 |
punkman |
the recent Arecibo collapse was a fun one. |
17:19 |
asciilifeform |
mats: i won't pretend to know for certain. but not inclined to believe any or all aspects of the Official troof. |
17:19 |
mats |
the usual problems that plague american infrastructure projects |
17:20 |
mats |
big dig, second ave extension, california hsr, etc... massive budget overruns, years long delays, dozens of no-show jobs to pay stooges |
17:22 |
asciilifeform |
mats: structures collapsing ~2y after construction is something i associate with the time of hammurabi ( 'If a builder builds a house for a man and does not make its construction sound, and the house which he has built collapses and causes the death of the owner of the house, the builder shall be put to death...' ) than current day |
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17:23 |
mats |
i like the 'if you water down the beer, its the funeral pyre for you' provision |
17:24 |
asciilifeform |
imho a very sane, reasonable document as a whole. |
17:29 |
mats |
i expect lots of the people involved at the top are already in their 50s and 60s, and if they build a structure meant to last 50 years with shortcuts that result in collapse at 20, there's no practical consequences |
17:30 |
mats |
the clever ones have already redistributed their wealth to family, and in the west, there's no punishing the son for sins of the father |
17:30 |
asciilifeform |
mats: there's a key term in ru ( orlov tried to translate as 'enpoorment' ) |
17:30 |
dulapbot |
(trilema) 2015-03-19 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: usa has no 'austerity way' but does have the inevitable убеднение (orlov tried to introduce the term to engl., but it has no good ready translation) |
17:31 |
asciilifeform |
where lizards slowly 'boiling the frog' to wind down the plebes' expectations in life to correspond to the meager crumbs they are to be given. |
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17:32 |
asciilifeform |
going with this, i fully expect that 'sudden' structural collapses of public buildings will be slowly 'normalized' in the reich. |
17:32 |
asciilifeform |
'was bad luck!' |
17:32 |
asciilifeform |
'could not be helped!' |
17:32 |
mats |
in my wot there's a guy who embezzled low seven digits from a nonprofit org for a decade, raised three kids and some grandkids with the money, a dozen time shares and luxury cars etc... he got pinned up recently and will only do four years in club fed -- and almost certainly less due old age and infirmities like declining eyesight etc |
17:33 |
mats |
kids went to ivies on that money, feds only clawed back a buncha houses he bought with the bezzle, he basically got away with the crime |
17:34 |
asciilifeform |
mats: aha, and then 'bleeding heart' morons in usa stare with dropped jaws when in e.g. cn corrupt officials had their families beheaded next to them |
17:34 |
mats |
kushner style theft |
17:34 |
asciilifeform |
simple formula : benefited? -> accomplice. |
17:34 |
asciilifeform |
in ru ~100% of bribe-taking officials have their mansions, rolls royces, etc. written in a wife's/brother's/etc name |
17:36 |
asciilifeform |
mats: re: the embezzler -- important to realize that if he was the 'correct' type, then in reich he dun really count as a thief. (and fat chance that he would have been put in charge of such a fund if were ~not~ the Right Type) |
17:36 |
asciilifeform |
so in fact it was peccadillo. |
17:36 |
asciilifeform |
hence the light punishment. |
17:36 |
mats |
whats funny is that the entire scheme rested on a slightly different org name, he conned the money from a rich idiot trying to donate to the org |
17:37 |
mats |
all of this was done in the public eye, visible for anyone who wanted to look |
17:37 |
asciilifeform |
now otoh if you or i caught e.g. running a gox 'without a license' -- 20 to life ! |
17:37 |
asciilifeform |
in all reichs, the only real crime is to impinge on the prerogatives of the great inca. |
17:37 |
asciilifeform |
plebe usurpers -- beheaded. |
17:38 |
mats |
a good personal reminder that money spent unseen and at great distances is a real liability |
17:38 |
asciilifeform |
mats: reich 'charity orgs' are a combo of chump moneys collector and laundry for elite. |
17:38 |
asciilifeform |
(incl. 'merit washing' of offspring) |
17:43 |
mats |
his son is a real piece of work, has a promising future as a joshua kushner |
17:44 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-09#1051293 << if you recall, d.knuth on many occasions stated that this was the whole fucking point! of tex. (i.e. so that author can be own typesetter, and not 'play broken telephone' with graphics folx who don't know shit from shinola in mathematics) |
17:44 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-08-09 12:13:11 adlai: encountered another megab00k on topology that the author gives away for free, in warez form on his site ; and was quite amused to read, in the frontmatters, that the author writes in raw tex for precision of hieroglyph locations. |
17:44 |
mats |
and maybe a jared, in 30 years |
17:44 |
asciilifeform |
mats: surely. |
17:46 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-09#1051313 << lizards make no secret of their intention to eventually abolish paper money. ( but for various reasons not done, quite yet, it is a useful 'unprincipled exception' in various places ) |
17:46 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-08-09 12:38:12 thestringpuller: billymg: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-06#1050543 << they make it sound this way; all this does is increase crime for in person cash transactions |
17:47 |
mats |
its a hard sell in the us, like a quarter of the population is un- or underbanked |
17:48 |
asciilifeform |
mats: gotta luvv this term. sorta like when in 20y it becomes expected to have a usg camera in yer bathroom, folx w/out one will be called 'undercameraed' |
17:48 |
mats |
maybe usps offices will return to being nexuses of commerce once the e-dollar materializes |
17:49 |
asciilifeform |
mats: i might've previously posed this q, but, what precisely is the diff b/w this hypothetical 'e-dollar' and the usual ach/wire/visa/paypalism we already have ? |
17:49 |
mats |
settlement speed |
17:50 |
asciilifeform |
i.e. slow an' painful, like a shitcoin ? |
17:50 |
mats |
e-dollar will be faster settlement, i.e. finality, where what we've largely got now gets batched up and takes days to clear |
17:51 |
mats |
minor addition, usg has been rolling out real time payments (RTP) protocol, seen in venmo/paypal etc with 1% rakes |
17:54 |
mats |
just checked, fee is now 0.5% capped at $15 per tx |
17:54 |
asciilifeform |
mats: visa takes what, 10s to clear ? |
17:54 |
asciilifeform |
why to rebuild visa ? |
17:55 |
mats |
https://www.differencebetween.com/difference-between-clearing-and-vs-settlement |
17:55 |
mats |
and for blockchains, https://medium.com/@nic__carter/its-the-settlement-assurances-stupid-5dcd1c3f4e41 |
17:57 |
scoopbot |
New post on A Syndication of Verisimilitudes: The Earliest English Elision Dictionary |
17:57 |
asciilifeform |
mats: it still aint clear to me why (aside from straight misdirection-via-names fraud) the fiatists want to bake permissioned shitcoins (and call e.g. 'e-dollar') vs. simply building a variant of visa w/out chargebacks. (as for instance already exists in 'swift') |
17:58 |
mats |
increasing velocity of money/trade settlement is a big deal and a long time coming, probably spurred on by chinese innovation in the space: wechat pay, alipay leapt right over the credit card system |
17:58 |
asciilifeform |
mats: they're 'innovations' the way 19th c. 'patent medicines' were innovations in pharma. |
17:58 |
asciilifeform |
or the umpteenth gox 'innovation in bitcoin' etc |
17:59 |
punkman |
read something along these lines recently: "underbanked is an archaic term these days, the growing demographic is the formerly-banked" |
18:01 |
mats |
there's no "vs", it amounts to the same thing with more features |
18:01 |
mats |
the specific kind of features useful to central planners |
18:02 |
asciilifeform |
mats: i regard the use of 'cryptocoin' verbiage and eschafaudage in these schemes as a theft. |
18:02 |
asciilifeform |
they're simply paypals. |
18:03 |
asciilifeform |
lulzy piece from www mats linked where derp proposes , without mincing words, ethertardization of bitcoin and Official miner reich, with rollbacks etc |
18:03 |
asciilifeform |
'Previous hashers will be granted conditional amnesty if they agree to fully comply with the SRO’s mandates on an ongoing basis, subject to a probationary period' and other lulz. rec to read whole thing. |
18:03 |
asciilifeform |
prepare bucket for barf. |
18:04 |
mats |
his career has been in fiat banking, he's still unlearning some of those habits |
18:04 |
punkman |
https://www.paypal.com/us/webapps/mpp/crypto "Crypto for the people"! |
18:04 |
asciilifeform |
mats: reads a little like an apr 1 piece. but not apr1 |
18:04 |
mats |
'dave is a lawyer, but we won't hold that against him' kind of thing |
18:05 |
punkman |
"Checking out with crypto is a taxable transaction |
18:05 |
punkman |
- Because it’s an asset, it will first be sold whenever you checkout with crypto and the cash will be used to pay the merchant. You have to report any gains or losses on the crypto sale on your taxes. PayPal will provide necessary 1099 forms when you sell cryptocurrency." |
18:06 |
mats |
you laugh, but probably three nines of adopters in the last ten years don't want to have anything to do with being their own custodian |
18:07 |
mats |
and i don't really blame them, its not easy or obvious |
18:10 |
asciilifeform |
punkman: see also lol. |
18:10 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-05-24 13:00:39 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-05-23#1037440 << reminds me of the czech tale where the princess asks about a suitor : 'is he young?' 'nope, he's old' 'is he at least kind?' 'no, he's the meanest old man alive' 'old and mean! ain't he the ideal groom!' |
18:10 |
asciilifeform |
'does it let you spend btc w/out giving 50% to usg?' 'fuck no, lol, what have you been smoking' ... 'does it give better exch rate than gox, at least?' 'mno, wtf' ... |
18:11 |
mats |
yeah, the spread is ridiculous |
18:11 |
signpost |
goes back to the farming thread; folks are wired to be farmed thus. |
18:12 |
asciilifeform |
mats: i defo grasp that there's 1e7 halfwits who think they want to 'use bitcoin' (whatever they imagine it to be) but don't want to figure out scary complicated things like, ohnoez, installing a noad |
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18:12 |
asciilifeform |
for these, there will always be a gox to 'part fool from his money' |
18:12 |
mats |
well, there's plenty of discussion in the logs about how shit bitcoin is |
18:12 |
asciilifeform |
because the 'gnarly, scary' work aint actually optional |
18:12 |
mats |
so empathy is possible, in theory |
18:13 |
asciilifeform |
mats: even supposing the proggy were 100% bug-free and reliable. fundamentally the folx who are not ready to hold own keys , without a usg escrow -- cattle. |
18:13 |
signpost |
isn't even so bad. them holding pseudobtc is marginally better than them holding usd. |
18:14 |
asciilifeform |
signpost: not sure that i agree. at least when you hold usd at a usg.bank, you know what yer signing up for |
18:14 |
signpost |
not for them. I don't see any harm, and some possible benefit to this enriching Brian Armstrong, who I'd be shocked if isn't accumulating the real thing. |
18:14 |
asciilifeform |
whereas a gox.holder may be under the notion that he has coin, that it cannot be taken away, or suddenly evaporate, etc |
18:14 |
mats |
armstrong is a tool afaict |
18:14 |
signpost |
been calling coinbase a gox for quite some time. it still stands. |
18:15 |
asciilifeform |
signpost: very difficult to know who 'holds actual coin' unless you know him personally and ~very~ close friend.. |
18:16 |
signpost |
if/when usd dies, perhaps it'll be more apparent. |
18:16 |
mats |
but definitely very good for thiel, armstrong, bankman-fried, winklevii, all the other would-be jack mas of the west |
18:17 |
mats |
biden/usg doesn't have the juice to step on them like beijing stepped on alibaba and tencent |
18:19 |
asciilifeform |
mats: bitcoinism does not, as i understand, make nearly as much difference for oligarch as for human. oligarch even prior to bitcoin was able to buy picassos, etc. which behaved quite similarly to bitcoin in re inflation-shield |
18:19 |
dulapbot |
(trilema) 2015-03-22 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: castles and drawings by picasso are not fungible << i'd argue that picassos are more or less 'analogue bitcoin' for the ultra-bezzlerich. hence my interest in the linked turd |
18:19 |
mats |
picassos require sovereigns with guns to defend freeports |
18:19 |
signpost |
it wont elevate them, but it's something to hold onto if the others fall. |
18:20 |
mats |
the endless work of ICIJ has shown even many of those sovereigns are actually subordinate, like tribal reservations in the us |
18:20 |
signpost |
I imagine being close to the oil machine wasn't a bad thing for RU oligarchs post-91? |
18:20 |
asciilifeform |
mats: the oligarchs, approximately, ~are~ said sovereigns. |
18:21 |
mats |
i don't imagine putin, david cameron's father, other oligarchs, were very pleased to see their books splayed out for all to see |
18:21 |
asciilifeform |
mats: consider, tho, how much diff. it makes to'em ? |
18:22 |
asciilifeform |
what would it do for mats to have direct access to 'putin's books' ? |
18:22 |
mats |
it matters to putin at least, can't be out there showing off multi billion dollar estates and offshored bank accounts while many russians live in the mud |
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18:23 |
mats |
also apparently matters to beijing, which has spent the last year successfully muscling chinese corporate elites into making billions of dollars worth of donations for the perceived public good |
18:24 |
asciilifeform |
mats: you'd be surprised at what openly appears in ru tabloids. ~all about (of various authenticity' 'putin's yacht', 'putin's bunker', etc. |
18:24 |
asciilifeform |
these -- largely fictional; but those of his viziers -- rather well-flaunted |
18:24 |
mats |
management of public perception of wealth inequality isn't worth 0, even if you and i can't discernably tell how it moves the plebe rage needle |
18:25 |
asciilifeform |
mats: it strikes me as possible that cn is trying to copy usg reich's 'charity' scheme |
18:25 |
asciilifeform |
(i.e. 'publicly-innocuous' meritwash sinecures for offspring and de-jure 'given away' but de-facto inherited fortunes ) |
18:26 |
mats |
maybe |
18:29 |
punkman |
related to "very difficult to know who 'holds actual coin'", lots (most?) of the top addresses aren't moving and owner is unknown |
18:29 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-07-31 18:18:58 punkman: https://bitinfocharts.com/top-100-richest-bitcoin-addresses.html |
18:30 |
mats |
hard to tell whether china is progressing, if at all, on implementation of rule of law, rather than rule by men, which would enable these structures |
18:31 |
asciilifeform |
mats: do you seriously believe in the religion of 'rule of law' ? |
18:31 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2020-02-16 05:04:41 asciilifeform: d00dz were fapping to 'rule of law', so i linked'em to the canonical likbez. this proved too large a stone to swallow . |
18:31 |
mats |
i think its on a continuum, and that it still exists in some places, yeah |
18:32 |
asciilifeform |
mats: i suspect that the item folx erroneously refer to as 'rule of law' is simply political stability/predictability. |
18:32 |
mats |
legal and political stability/predictability is crucial to commerce |
18:33 |
asciilifeform |
somehow the old silk road managed w/out |
18:33 |
mats |
its what made hk the gateway into china, dependable commercial courts |
18:33 |
asciilifeform |
merchants were accustomed to all kinds of seemingly 'intolerable', e.g. highway robberies |
18:33 |
asciilifeform |
mats: i thought it was euro gunship-diplomacy |
18:33 |
asciilifeform |
i.e. extraterritorial courts |
18:33 |
mats |
for the same reason why delaware is so important |
18:34 |
mats |
decades of established precedent, competent magistrates, efficient and speedy proceedings largely free of political intervention |
18:34 |
asciilifeform |
mats: not aware that much other than corp regs takes place in delaware. ( asciilifeform regularly goes there, it's a mournful shithole ) |
18:34 |
mats |
the silk road managed without because of the great riches available, but cash and carry is undeniably high friction |
18:35 |
mats |
reliable courts in stable jurisdictions enables, among many other things, creation of credit that greases commerce |
18:36 |
asciilifeform |
mats: right, but it's a ~visible~ friction. whereas in a jurisdiction like hk, you don't get to see all the people who simply don't get to participate because 'did not choose their parents carefully'. that stability and 'history of precedents' has its down sides. |
18:36 |
dulapbot |
(trilema) 2015-03-05 mircea_popescu: if you are one of the people buying belgian rubber concessions on the stock exchanges, you make money. if you're in africa, you make quick with the hands and feet. |
18:36 |
dulapbot |
(trilema) 2015-08-22 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: consider, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=06-03-2015#1044114 - ergo, 'this vermeer, in the gallery of our esteemed lord rothchild, is genuine. this picasso, in the suitcase of this ragged thief and scoundrel, is most certainly questionable.' |
18:37 |
asciilifeform |
is rather analogous to children's game 'musical chairs'. |
18:37 |
mats |
not like any idiot with a horse and cart could participate in the silk road anyway |
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18:37 |
asciilifeform |
if yer in a chair -- no, let's not have anymoar music. |
18:38 |
asciilifeform |
mats: idiot maybe not, but if you could muster a caravan, did not have to get permission from anyone in particular to play. |
18:38 |
asciilifeform |
nor be 'of right family' |
18:39 |
mats |
any decent sized commerce requires credit, food, pack animals, men, arms, relationships with trustworthy merchants and brokers |
18:39 |
asciilifeform |
mats: surely. |
18:39 |
mats |
this amounts to 'right family' with some small margin of error |
18:40 |
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asciilifeform not claiming that 'any beggar could'. but that there's important diff b/w 'stability' of today's moribund inca empire, and life of ancient merchants |
18:40 |
asciilifeform |
where sometimes merchant could alternate roles even with brigand. |
18:42 |
mats |
i don't especially see the appeal of the latter |
18:43 |
asciilifeform |
mats: fwiw asciilifeform suspects it's a factory jumper setting and generally not changes during life |
18:43 |
mats |
in some corners of the world, we do see that, with physical (naval) piracy, and virtual (former sov state sanctioned) piracy |
18:43 |
asciilifeform |
how you see pirate depends much on who you identify with, pirate? or victim ? |
18:43 |
asciilifeform |
what side of the 'stability' knife you fall on. |
18:43 |
mats |
ok, privateer, whatever you like stan |
18:44 |
asciilifeform |
mats: not aware of privateers in the 17th c sense having made comeback yet |
18:44 |
asciilifeform |
( have they ? ) |
18:44 |
asciilifeform |
'a letter of marque came from the king, for the scummiest vessel i've ever seen...'(tm)(r) |
18:45 |
mats |
what about all the russian speaking artists, probably led by moonlighting fsb officers, who've been making runs at western electronic systems? |
18:46 |
asciilifeform |
mostly (tho not entirely) fictions created by reich 'seekoority experts' to justify 1) net totalitarianisms 2) gigabux into 'security biz' |
18:46 |
asciilifeform |
see e.g. krebs. |
18:46 |
asciilifeform |
mandatory reading: On the Matter of Brian Krebs.. |
18:48 |
mats |
i understand attribution is difficult, but the fourteen eyes still have a unique, panopticon view of the planetary network |
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18:48 |
asciilifeform |
mats: observe that it wasn't putin & co which gave us mswin & the associated ecosystem of liquishitware |
18:48 |
asciilifeform |
or for that matter poetteringware, chromism, etc |
18:49 |
mats |
i don't buy this "mostly", or even "majority" assignment to the fiction |
18:49 |
asciilifeform |
all of these collectively constitute the ~real~ 'cyberattack'. |
18:49 |
mats |
its asymmetrically effective, of course moscow would do it |
18:49 |
asciilifeform |
mats: unless you actually sit in the throne room of the 'eyes', you (or i for that matter) have no reliable info re their doings other than what they (and their hangouts, e.g. snowden pseudoleak) choose to feed to the public. |
18:50 |
mats |
sure |
18:51 |
asciilifeform |
btw of course moscow employs mswin rootkit artists, vuln diggers, etc. -- as does erry major crown. but they work at considerable disadvantage vs usg's, after all microshit, the pki hucksters, 'responsible' vuln reportage houses, etc. are in usa, not in ru. |
18:52 |
asciilifeform |
imho it is rather like when su built a ruinously expensive copy of usg 'space shuttle'. (incidentally the roof in the 'indiajones warehouse' housing this artifact, recently caved in, burying the machine + a janitor..) |
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18:52 |
asciilifeform |
gorby assumed 'if usa built -- must be useful' |
18:53 |
asciilifeform |
(or, by some accounts, the order to do so was simply relayed through his cia stooge lips w/out thinking) |
18:54 |
asciilifeform |
usg traditionally quite good at this technique -- get opponent into a pyramid-building pissing contest |
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18:54 |
mats |
well, there is the benefit of de facto letters of marque by belarusian, russian, moldovan etc authorities that enable them to hit western targets without threat of police or military action |
18:54 |
asciilifeform |
iirc cn was coaxed into starting construction of aircraft carriers, for instance ( mats might be able to find where this went? ) |
18:55 |
mats |
all i know is the retrofits of russian shitcakes, the liaoning or whatevers |
18:55 |
asciilifeform |
mats: lemme ask, do you suppose e.g. the blacks of bmore 'red zone' streets have 'letter of marque' from usg , to do their robberies & arsons ? |
18:55 |
asciilifeform |
or simply tolerated because whynot |
18:56 |
mats |
er, soviet cakes, i guess |
18:56 |
asciilifeform |
right, iirc they started with a junkyard one from late su |
18:57 |
mats |
baltimore street gangs have intl dope connections, but its not the same thing, nobody's apparently sending soldiers to hit mexican gas pipelines |
18:57 |
asciilifeform |
mats: but returning to ru spammers etc -- why do you assume that they necessarily pay into the treasury in moscow, a la 17th c privateer? can maybe think of another reason why ru would not participate in reich's extradition circus ? |
18:58 |
asciilifeform |
( btw ru will not extradite. just like france does not. but somehow no whining in fishwraps about how france 'impedes justice' ) |
18:58 |
mats |
i did say moonlighting fsb officers, ~somebody~ in the umbrella org is directing and deescalating these efforts |
18:58 |
mats |
afk |
18:59 |
asciilifeform |
mats: what i was getting at, is that this is not a necessary hypothesis. |
18:59 |
asciilifeform |
it is again the thinking from pov of 'stability' as an abstract good. |
18:59 |
asciilifeform |
it aint somehow a 'rising tide which floats all boats', that's the thing. |
19:00 |
asciilifeform |
ru does not win from trying to participate in a usg-led 'international order'. under eltsin earnestly tried, just about turned into a rhodesia. |
19:00 |
asciilifeform |
'rule of law' is bunkum (incidentally putin has a trademarked slogan, 'dictatorship of the law', which he pushes cynically like troo bunkum artist, the chumpers eat it up) |
19:01 |
asciilifeform |
( whereas in reality, mussolini's quip holds ) |
19:01 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2020-12-28 11:53:09 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-12-28#1027392 << establishment mouthpieces always follow, if not explicitly state, mussolini's 'for us and ours -- everything; for others -- the law'. recall for instance the 'lisp is slow'(tm) folx who carefully set up discussion so that unix load time not counted, but cl runtime's -- is, or pret |
19:01 |
asciilifeform |
'the law' exists strictly and exclusively for the peasant. in all times/places. |
19:05 |
whaack |
peterl: your blog is inacessible to me |
19:05 |
asciilifeform |
'stability' is a++ great if yer well-positioned in life, and if not, then not so great, i'd've thought is rather obv., this. |
19:05 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-08-08 17:34:07 verisimilitude: I vaguely remember my disappointment at realizing this so-called pandemic was fake, and not something which would kill hundreds of millions, perhaps leaving more room for me. |
19:07 |
asciilifeform |
whaack: https://peterl.xyz ? seems to be down |
19:07 |
asciilifeform |
^ PeterL ? |
19:09 |
PeterL |
needs no s, use http://peterl.xyz |
19:10 |
asciilifeform |
still nope |
19:10 |
PeterL |
hmm, I see it from here |
19:10 |
asciilifeform |
PeterL: dnsism dun resolve |
19:11 |
asciilifeform |
maybe expired ? |
19:13 |
PeterL |
maybe? I will look into it |
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19:31 |
PeterL |
Looks like I had it pointing at the qntra nameserver, is that down now? bingoboingo |
19:34 |
asciilifeform |
oh hey the old qntra finally RIP. ( asciilifeform's mirror covers, fortunately, entirety of it ! ) |
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19:34 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-07-06 16:13:25 asciilifeform: davout: fwiw i've a full mirror of qntra (orig. is still alive, but was on mp-controlled domain, so i expect will turn into goatse at some point) |
19:41 |
PeterL |
should be fixed now, once DNS propagates. |
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20:16 |
asciilifeform |
!w poll |
20:16 |
watchglass |
Polling 17 nodes... |
20:17 |
watchglass |
185.85.38.54:8333 : Could not connect! |
20:17 |
watchglass |
84.16.46.130:8333 : Could not connect! |
20:17 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.6:8333 : (172-6.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.081s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=695003 |
20:17 |
watchglass |
185.163.46.29:8333 : Could not connect! |
20:17 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.27:8333 : Alive: (0.083s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=695003 (Operator: asciilifeform) |
20:17 |
watchglass |
54.39.156.171:8333 : (ns562940.ip-54-39-156.net) Alive: (0.114s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=695003 |
20:17 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.26:8333 : Alive: (0.141s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=695003 |
20:17 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.28:8333 : Alive: (0.083s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=695003 (Operator: whaack) |
20:17 |
watchglass |
71.191.220.241:8333 : (pool-71-191-220-241.washdc.fios.verizon.net) Alive: (0.091s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=695003 (Operator: asciilifeform) |
20:17 |
watchglass |
143.202.160.10:8333 : Alive: (0.172s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=695003 |
20:17 |
watchglass |
205.134.172.4:8333 : (172-4.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.207s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=695003 |
20:17 |
watchglass |
208.94.240.42:8333 : Alive: (0.159s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=695003 |
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watchglass |
54.38.94.63:8333 : (ns3140226.ip-54-38-94.eu) Alive: (0.276s) V=88888 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.8.88.88/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=695003 |
20:17 |
watchglass |
213.109.238.156:8333 : Alive: (0.336s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=695003 |
20:17 |
watchglass |
103.36.92.112:8333 : (terebe.ns01.net) Alive: (0.617s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=695003 |
20:17 |
asciilifeform |
!q seen cgra |
20:17 |
dulapbot |
cgra last seen here on 2021-08-01 16:11:10: i said it confusingly, i meant <1000 sats is a no-go, but 1000...9999 is 'a maybe', and >=10000 is 'no questions asked' |
20:18 |
watchglass |
176.9.59.199:8333 : Violated BTC Protocol: Bad header length! (Operator: jurov) |
20:18 |
watchglass |
192.151.158.26:8333 : Busy? (No answer in 100 sec.) |
20:32 |
whaack |
cgra: any chance you're working on the patches for the problems you've discovered? |
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21:29 |
mats |
asciilifeform: i can understand why you think so, but there is a commercially, visibly preferable (to corps) gradient between rule of law and rule of man |
21:30 |
mats |
which is why not all that much actual intl commerce happens in ru, beyond the cash and carry trades for gas and oil products |
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21:30 |
mats |
and yes, sanctions don't help, of course |
21:35 |
verisimilitude |
I fixed mine RSS issue by having the feed contain only the newest entry; this seems elegant. |
21:35 |
mats |
nor do i believe the electronic piracy is being ~centrally~ directed and managed, but i do expect there's kill switches in the form of assets that de facto report to fsb handler(s), because imho there's no benefit to killing the host while there's still meat and blood to be had |
21:37 |
mats |
straddling the line between 'ok, we'll let it ride' and 'the colonial pipeline is so egregious that usg feels it has no choice but public and devastating reprisals, or else a perceived loss of sovereignty' |
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21:38 |
mats |
at the risk of repeating myself, stopping short of 'cyberwar', just extraordinary acts of espionage |
21:42 |
mats |
anyway, rule of law isn't necessary for commerce per se, but for as long and wherever it exists, its preferable to rule of man |
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21:50 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-09#1051579 << it's a petrostan. rather like e.g. qatar. and previously, in eltsin period was simply a 'free-for-all' neocolonial paradise for western vultures. |
21:50 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-08-09 17:25:58 mats: which is why not all that much actual intl commerce happens in ru, beyond the cash and carry trades for gas and oil products |
21:50 |
asciilifeform |
so, given that ~0 meaningfully exportable manufacture there, and that ru aint part of the lizard chrematist 'financial' reich, big fat unsurprise that 'not much commerce but in minerals.' |
21:50 |
asciilifeform |
has exactly 0 to do with 'rule of law' or lack thereof |
21:51 |
asciilifeform |
( ru's is approx. on-par with cn's afaik ) |
21:52 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-09#1051583 << asciilifeform said it 'over 9000' times and will say again -- 'cyberwar'(tm)(r)(c) exists and will exist for exactly so long as usg's imposition of microshitware carries on, and not a nanosecond longer. |
21:52 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-08-09 17:33:00 mats: straddling the line between 'ok, we'll let it ride' and 'the colonial pipeline is so egregious that usg feels it has no choice but public and devastating reprisals, or else a perceived loss of sovereignty' |
21:52 |
asciilifeform |
there is no such thing as 'cyberattack'. there is only vulns in 'victim''s own arse. |
21:53 |
asciilifeform |
rather like how Software Does Not Fail -- software cannot be 'attacked'. |
21:53 |
asciilifeform |
it's either correct or broken. |
21:54 |
asciilifeform |
pretense to the contrary is politically expedient, yes, and nearly universal in the Official lugenpress and 'security' racket. changes nothing. |
21:55 |
verisimilitude |
It's amazing the insane times we live in: Men pretend to be women, most software doesn't work, etc. |
21:56 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-09#1051585 << all rule is rule of man. inanimate objects cannot rule. |
21:56 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-08-09 17:37:53 mats: anyway, rule of law isn't necessary for commerce per se, but for as long and wherever it exists, its preferable to rule of man |
21:56 |
asciilifeform |
( when in given context you are 'ruled' by laws of physics -- typically we use another word ) |
21:57 |
verisimilitude |
Yes, like ``splat''. |
21:57 |
asciilifeform |
verisimilitude: pretense and organized lie goes with civilization just like smog and plague. |
21:57 |
verisimilitude |
I'm still waiting for the plague. |
21:58 |
asciilifeform |
verisimilitude: 'plague' in broad sense. not necessarily a baccilus. |
21:58 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-08-08 23:14:51 asciilifeform: mats: lemme ask you , did any of these people spend time studying ~why~ modern man even ~needs~ oncology treatments ? |
21:59 |
asciilifeform |
( or even see e.g. mp's piece re subj ) |
21:59 |
dulapbot |
(trilema) 2018-06-11 mircea_popescu: hence http://trilema.com/2014/modern-medicine-and-the-benefits-of-democracy/ |
22:03 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-09#1051555 << PeterL it still dun load ftr |
22:03 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-08-09 15:36:51 PeterL: should be fixed now, once DNS propagates. |
22:07 |
PeterL |
apparently DNS takes some time to propagate? |
22:08 |
asciilifeform |
http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-09#1051305 << btw speaking of 'great firewalls' and pills against same, oblig spam!: get rk at asciilifeform's isp! i've 17 rk in stock! |
22:08 |
dulapbot |
Logged on 2021-08-09 12:32:37 punkman: heh, gov/isp is blocking that domain |
22:09 |
asciilifeform |
( naturally only pill for orcistani blacklist , rather than usg ) |
22:11 |
PeterL |
instead of a vps its a pps (physical private server)? |
22:11 |
asciilifeform |
PeterL: correct |
22:12 |
mats |
colo (colocated) is the term of art |
22:12 |
mats |
...i think |
22:13 |
asciilifeform |
mats: colo, traditionally, is when the customer brings own irons |
22:13 |
mats |
its still basically a vps, but no hypervisor |
22:13 |
asciilifeform |
mats: whence the 'v' ? |
22:13 |
asciilifeform |
just 'ps'. |
22:14 |
* |
asciilifeform does not offer any multi-user boxes, such as the 'kolhoz for noobs' which existed at piz |
22:15 |
mats |
maybe 'managed bare metal'? not sure what others call it |
22:16 |
whaack |
asciilifeform: speaking of which , not sure exactly when my lease runs out but i think it's soon, i'm happy to renew |
22:16 |
asciilifeform |
mats: in what sense 'managed' ? |
22:16 |
mats |
you or a dc employee can still power it down |
22:16 |
asciilifeform |
mats: in that sense all hosting outside of your own desk similarly 'managed', lol |
22:17 |
mats |
i'm just trying to find the pidgin for whatever it is |
22:17 |
asciilifeform |
mats: 'colocation' -- you park box, vendor supplies mains current, cooling, network. |
22:17 |
whaack |
thimbronion: how is your colo'd box in CR doing? |
22:17 |
asciilifeform |
mats: 'dedicated hosting' -- vendor supplies machine (lease) , current, cooling, network |
22:18 |
thimbronion |
whaack: no issues so far |
22:18 |
mats |
ah thats it |
22:18 |
asciilifeform |
whaack: 16 aug. pgpgram asciilifeform re term you'd like to renew for, will answr w/ addr, ty |
22:18 |
asciilifeform |
whaack: 2021 prices. |
22:20 |
asciilifeform |
mats: i offer both types. as previously discussed, it is impossible to prevent landlord from stealing irons; however asciilifeform does make use of custom tamper indicators in his cage & its contents. |
22:21 |
asciilifeform |
the precise nature of these, the intervals at which inspected, etc. will not be disclosed. cuz 'none of anyone's biz'. |
22:22 |
asciilifeform |
so far asciilifeform has no complaints of ~this~ nature about the current landlord. ( all complaints rather re 'coarse errors of pilotage' , e.g. on 1 occasion they pulled wrong lever in the battery room... etc ) |
22:23 |
asciilifeform |
if there's a '100% uptime' dc somewhere on planet3 --- 1) asciilifeform doesn't know where it is 2) can bet that it costs considerably moar than asciilifeform is paying |
22:24 |
asciilifeform |
current stats, informally. |
22:26 |
asciilifeform |
last known (to asciilifeform) failure was on 29 dec. 2020 . (mains current; attrib. to sched. maint.) |
22:27 |
asciilifeform |
<5m. |
22:32 |
whaack |
!e uptime |
22:32 |
trbexplorer |
whaack: time since my last reconnect : 21d 4h 29m |
22:32 |
whaack |
asciilifeform: noted, will do |
22:33 |
asciilifeform |
whaack: ty |