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00:21 vex it's exciting to see trb getting tested
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00:42 vex I propose a test chain from genesis. needs an interesting fishwrap headline. bank bailouts don't make the frontpage anymore
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01:00 vex I'd like to comment on headunfucking too. It's innapropriate, since I still wash my wetware with copious etoh regularly.
01:13 vex I'd suggest to bingoboingo, get a boat, perhaps the seaside hamlet is best for that
01:18 vex I've never found such an sublime experience; it's not thimbronion holding the mainsheet til failure, not asciiliferoms floating apartment
01:20 vex I'd recommend it to punkman too, get some vitamin d sans underwear
01:21 signpost yeah, I definitely start feeling mad the longer I've been out of the sun.
01:22 vex I gotta say signpost, I'm loving your new handle
01:23 signpost ty, been one of mine for a while, harkens to prior to tmsr.
01:30 * asciilifeform blew days on trying to transplant 'AMDGPU' to dulap-gentoo. so far w/out success.
01:38 vex what are you trying to do asciilifeform?
01:38 asciilifeform vex: see link
01:48 vex ask wolf
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02:23 vex there he is
02:24 vex hey bingo
02:30 vex tell me about sea wolves
02:40 vex what's the scoop cunt?
02:53 vex fishwrap is going out of fashion
02:59 mats https://www.nfpa.org/News-and-Research/Publications-and-media/NFPA-Journal/2019/March-April-2019/Features/Protecting-Parking-Garages
03:03 mats i spent a few hours recently thinking over the two problems in the us, 1) proliferation of light duty vehicles with plastic and high-volume fuel tanks, and 2) EVs and the difficulty of putting out their fires with conventional equipment, like foam and ordinary high pressure firefighting systems
03:07 mats foam won't do shit to an EV fire, and afaict there's no fire depts with the ultra high pressure systems that would enable crews to put out blazes with the water on their rigs
03:15 mats i'm struggling to work out whether there are us mandates for high pressure water misting systems in parking garages, especially those under multistory buildings
03:16 asciilifeform mats: more likely there'll be a mandate to blackout mention of burned garages.
03:16 * asciilifeform begins to wonder whether mats has fully come to terms with where and when he's living
03:17 mats i needed a light distraction and doing this research was interesting
03:18 asciilifeform the fact that 50+$k auto has mandatory built-in crematorium aint uninteresting, i suppose
03:18 mats doesn't look like usa is ready for this problem and won't force retrofits to fire depts or commercial building owners until there's a mass casualty event
03:18 asciilifeform it'll be blamed on 'terrorists'.
03:18 asciilifeform and so will the 2,3,..nth.
03:19 mats massive production of SUVs and trucks isn't even a US-specific thing anymore, by some accounts its quite taken off in eu
03:19 asciilifeform petrol-engined trucks dun catch fire in garages with any regularity
03:19 mats which is a bit of an annoying arms race since it makes sedans less safe also
03:20 mats that is, occupant survivability in a sedan goes down in a confrontation with light duty vehicle
03:20 vex all the `how to spin a car into a ditch' info refers to sedans
03:24 mats separately, thought it would be interesting if a few EVs with remotely induced thermal runaway could potentially bring down a building
03:25 vex isnt that happening now ?
03:26 vex factoryz fukt?
03:28 mats an ordinary vehicle fire might take 300gals of water to put out with a typical rig's equipment, and teslas are on record requiring up to 32k gals
03:30 mats and the nfpa piece notes that modern cars are quite a bit more combustible than before, due to all the added plastics to save on weight and cost
03:30 mats anyway, that's all i got.
03:30 vex the faster you go the further the flame is
03:31 vex "not on fire, just fast"
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04:18 mats in other news, https://www.adl.org/news/press-releases/paypal-partners-with-adl-to-fight-extremism-and-protect-marginalized
04:23 vex banning hate is like banning love
04:24 vex unpossible
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05:22 vex i listened to anb australian girl talk about mp after he dies
05:23 vex she got excited about the sec
05:26 vex https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0zaebtU-CA
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09:19 punkman I have firefighter friend (not in .gr). They are doing special training for electric car fires. They got some special equipment/materials too, water on lithium fire is not good idea. Also had story of industrial chemical fire that took like 20 hours and hundreds of people to extinguish.
09:27 punkman http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-01#1049719 << sunning your balls does feel good. too many disagreeable neighbors around house though
09:27 dulapbot Logged on 2021-08-01 21:16:25 vex: I'd recommend it to punkman too, get some vitamin d sans underwear
09:29 punkman http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-01#1049710 << running own mailserver is such a hassle, I've given up too
09:29 dulapbot Logged on 2021-08-01 17:05:05 signpost: personally, I render onto caesar what is caesar's and use a megacorp provider.
09:32 punkman was expecting covid-test results via email, had to call lab 5 times about not getting email, results were in zip file with password and gmail blocked it until I sent email to lab, and they replied with same zip.
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12:26 PeterL !s version
12:26 scoopbot I am 'Scoopbot' version 693657.
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12:42 PeterL thimbronion: on http://thimbron.com/2021/08/encryption-for-alcuin/ I am seeing some smileys on lines 495 and 496?
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14:03 shinohai http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-02#1049770 << I'm guessing mp-wp still contains the `convert_smilies` function.
14:03 dulapbot Logged on 2021-08-02 08:37:52 PeterL: thimbronion: on http://thimbron.com/2021/08/encryption-for-alcuin/ I am seeing some smileys on lines 495 and 496?
14:03 thimbronion A couple instances of 8) appear to be the culprates.
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14:21 PeterL I turned the smiles off, but I have not touched it in so long I don't remember how I did that
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14:47 PeterL ^ smilies, referring to my own website, which is admittedly not the most cutting edge version of MP-WP
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15:25 thimbronion *culprits doh
15:28 PeterL thimbronion: is there any significance to the name 'alcuin'?
15:33 thimbronion PeterL: I link to a biography of Alcuin in this article. Alcuin was one of many clerics who served to keep the flame of classical literature alive after the collapse of the Roman Empire.
15:34 thimbronion Also the literal meaning of Alcuin is something like "Safehaven"
15:38 PeterL aha, I had missed that the name was a link when I read your article. The guy was the first thing that came up when I did a websearch on the term, just wanted to make sure I was making the right connection there
15:39 PeterL I also notice that you have labeled your files as .vpatch, but they are not really v patches since they do not contain the file hashes?
15:40 thimbronion PeterL: yeah I haven't got that figured out yet. I can't get vdiff to exclude the .git directory.
15:45 thimbronion I will likely hold off signing anything until the spec is out and alcuin is fully compliant with the spec anyway.
15:55 PeterL thimbronion: I tried using the patches you posted, did not patch cleanly, http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=TZVG with the rejected hunks http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=g4i8
15:56 thimbronion PeterL: I'll check it out.
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18:39 shinohai https://archive.is/zeDvz << "fluffypony" nabbed in US
18:40 asciilifeform shinohai: i hope he roasts in electric chair, lol
18:41 thimbronion fluffypony reportedly arrested. WTF was he thinking visiting the US?
18:41 thimbronion oh shit lol just saw your line shinohai
18:41 asciilifeform thimbronion: lulzily not a 'arrested at usg request in spain'(tm)(r)
18:41 asciilifeform 'dog bites man'
18:42 asciilifeform 'at the request of the South African government'
18:44 thimbronion Is he the first alumnus of #bitcoin-assets to be arrested?
18:44 asciilifeform thimbronion: possibly not
18:44 * asciilifeform doesn't recall whether spammer voorhees was arrested or merely tried in absentia
18:45 shinohai Voorhees ran to Panama like a little bitch until he could cut deal with SEC
18:45 thimbronion So two dead, at least one arrested.
18:46 thimbronion I guess a decade+ is enough time for that kind of stuff to happen.
18:47 asciilifeform thimbronion: at least 3 dead
18:47 asciilifeform ( chetty, object of mp's gerontophiliac lust )
18:48 thimbronion yes, chetty.
18:48 asciilifeform then pankkake commited pankkake supposedly
18:48 asciilifeform then mp
18:48 asciilifeform + fuck knows who else
18:48 shinohai pppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp;;;;;;;;;;;;;
18:49 shinohai sorry ^
18:51 asciilifeform lol
19:04 mats is archive.is choking for anyone else?
19:06 mats nvm. didn't know you could even spend $800k on a watch
19:07 shinohai Isn't that what Pete Dushenski does with all his mETHereum gainz?
19:08 mats idk, his blog is unreadable
19:10 thimbronion Monero only down 4%.
19:10 asciilifeform if d00d were a ru oligarch, there'd be a tabloid photo of his golden toilet attached to the piece.
19:11 asciilifeform ( somehow erry single one ever arrested had / allegedly-had one )
19:12 mats i'd have thought fluffypony would be more useful as a confidential informant
19:13 mats take his shit and turn him out on the street like a common whore
19:18 asciilifeform re: that 800k watch -- just in case anyone anyone needed proof that the shitcoin in question is a scam...
19:18 dulapbot (trilema) 2018-05-30 asciilifeform: at any rate, in so far as i can tell 'monero' is simply 1 of 3 or 4 tor-style honeypots for the dimwitted 'death ray plot' candidates in the shitcoin space.
19:18 dulapbot (trilema) 2016-08-30 asciilifeform: davout: 'ring signatures' are not the promised 'invisibility cloak', but more of a smoke grenade.
19:18 dulapbot Logged on 2020-12-28 13:08:51 asciilifeform: and in general all 'oddball algo by anon' are guilty until proven innocent of being elaborate smoke&mirror schemes for inflatola, premine, or even straight magic-key theft
19:18 mats in other cucks, from #b-otc https://www.theverge.com/22599932/bitcoin-raid-keene-new-hampshire-ian-freeman-libertarian-prosecution
19:20 punkman flying in private, "He’s believed to have “significant crypto-assets” as well as a watch valued at $800,000." , long way from the home improvement loan
19:20 dulapbot (trilema) 2014-04-09 fluffypony: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=191687.msg1988021#msg1988021
19:20 asciilifeform 'There were boxes full of gold-laced bills called goldbacks that were too obscure to even put a value on' << lol!!
19:24 asciilifeform 'he’s particularly alarmed by the charge of operating a “continuing financial crimes enterprise,” which was levied against him specifically. It seems to have been triggered by the Shire Free Church allegedly bringing in more than $5 million in gross receipts over two years, which puts it in a different class of criminal organization'
19:24 asciilifeform i.e. Being Rich Without USG License
19:24 asciilifeform capital offense. tsk.
19:25 mats "She tells me she made about 80 percent of her purchases directly off the blockchain before the arrest, usually businesses in the Keene area that have set up Bitcoin payments through a local point-of-sale system called AnyPay. DiMezzo says she could eat at a different restaurant every night and always pay in crypto."
19:26 mats filling miner pockets with fees on dinner-sized transactions
19:26 mats what a baller
19:26 punkman what was his otc nickname?
19:27 mats i don't remember the keene folks being in the wot but dpb might know more
19:27 punkman "In public statements, prosecutors refer to these as “darknet” cases, treating the unregulated Bitcoin system as a loosely organized criminal conspiracy. There is a lot of tainted money on the blockchain: money from drug sales, online scams, or stolen from individual users as part of a breach."
19:28 punkman more price goes up, more of this ^
19:29 punkman "Any unregulated exchange will eventually be used for money-laundering; any unmonitored flow of coins will eventually be an accomplice to a crime."
19:30 asciilifeform punkman: the moar morons attracted to it, esp. the kind usg traditionally preys on, the moar of these, yes, there'll be
19:30 dulapbot Logged on 2021-07-19 01:29:34 asciilifeform: signpost: virtually 100% of asciilifeform's pov on the subj, to this very day is represented by his orig. piece. bitcoinism went 'wrong' when switched from being an experiment in decentralization, with eye to actual progress in that direction, to 'how to milk the morons' and inspiration for 9000+ intelligence-insulting pyramids
19:30 dulapbot Logged on 2020-08-13 16:29:52 asciilifeform: shinohai: typically it's organized along the lines of the nyc 'death ray plot' -- find a 'believer' halfwit who 'participates willingly' to circumvent what's left of entrapment laws; collect donations; then designated arrestee, pompous trial, life sentence, etc. while usg collects not only contents of donation box but a fresh +100m$ in congressio
19:33 punkman http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-02#1049787 << why though
19:33 dulapbot Logged on 2021-08-02 14:36:06 asciilifeform: shinohai: i hope he roasts in electric chair, lol
19:33 punkman at least he moved on to shitcoin, instead of trying to stick shit on bitcoin
19:33 asciilifeform punkman: what do you mean, 'why'. 1 of the most egregious and successful scammers to date.
19:34 asciilifeform punkman: all shitcoin perpetrators ultimately parasitize on bitcoin.
19:34 punkman which scam was this? might have missed it
19:34 asciilifeform monero
19:34 thestringpuller http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-02#1049810 << just checked his blog and can't believe he went full meth head. Has a cryptopunks avatar and everything. You either die a hero or live long enough to run the chumpatron.
19:34 dulapbot Logged on 2021-08-02 15:03:34 shinohai: Isn't that what Pete Dushenski does with all his mETHereum gainz?
19:34 asciilifeform thestringpuller: dushenski ? he was what he is now, from very beginning.
19:35 asciilifeform 'biological' bootlick, attracted to what at given moment seems to him 'strong horse'.
19:36 mats didn't he get his start doing car blogs / youtube or something?
19:36 thestringpuller i guess that was always the case - i figured he had _some_ principles
19:36 asciilifeform thestringpuller: never saw any symptoms of him having principles.
19:37 asciilifeform he could barely speak with mouth full as it was of mp's cock.
19:37 thestringpuller i guess I should have realized this when MP got banned off twitter he subsequenlty wrote a long article about why twitter was bad, and then deleted his account
19:37 thestringpuller only to resurface as a cyrptopunk years later
19:40 thestringpuller i always figured it'd be MP getting arrested in some criminal enterprise scheme, but I guess fluffypony wanted to go full african warlord; i wonder if he has a gold plated AK stashed somewhere
19:42 asciilifeform thestringpuller: the funny thing is that mp was in fact rather cowardly and lived surprisingly modestly. at least, near as one could tell from his www.
19:43 asciilifeform if he owned a golden toilet or '800k watch' -- kept it a seekrit from erryone.
19:44 thestringpuller asciilifeform: when talking to meatspace associate who is retired detective about MP - he always found it odd the guy jumped between places without firm extradition policies
19:45 asciilifeform thestringpuller: usg kidnaps folx from cr, ro, the various shitholes he 'grand toured', w/out breaking a sweat.
19:45 asciilifeform see also.
19:45 dulapbot Logged on 2020-06-23 13:34:07 asciilifeform: in ru there is traditional joke where 'have you heard of famous cowboy, Uncatchable Joe? no one's caught him yet...' 'because no one ever wanted to'
19:46 mats i'd like a look at the polish passport he was identified with
19:47 thestringpuller what use is jail anyways, when they just run the criminal enterprise from behind bars
19:47 mats was it his, or one of the 10,000 other romanians named mp
19:48 asciilifeform thestringpuller: yer thinking of 'lucky luciano' etc. i.e. what mp pretended to be. rather than what he necessarily was.
19:48 mats the biometric regime rolled out in 09 so presumably it was legit
19:49 thestringpuller i thought you can still spoof the biometric passports?
19:49 asciilifeform thimbronion, whaack , billymg -- do they bother w/ fingerprints etc in cr border ?
19:50 mats spoof how? lifelike glove with expected prints?
19:51 asciilifeform mats: easiest spoof is to not have to get fingered at all because pseudo-diplomatic papers (as he hinted at, nfi whether factual or fable)
19:51 thestringpuller mats: iirc when I was in high school some japanese professor was able to fool the initial system with prosthetic fingers he made
19:51 thestringpuller this was like circa 2005 tho
19:52 mats trying that during border crossings doesn't seem like a reliable technique
19:52 thestringpuller and I remember an article about cloning the NFC chip in the passport
19:53 mats takes one recently caffeinated agent and a slow shift to notice a latex wrinkle
19:56 mats https://www.reuters.com/article/us-germany-tech-morphing-idUSKBN23A1YM some other art
20:01 thestringpuller dunno if there is more information on this as I couldn't find any, but apparently there is a bill in comittee right now that will lock down all cryptocurrency in the US?
20:01 shinohai http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-02#1049850 << I actually enjoyed his car blog content.
20:01 dulapbot Logged on 2021-08-02 15:32:04 mats: didn't he get his start doing car blogs / youtube or something?
20:04 thestringpuller dunno if old news: https://www.coindesk.com/new-crypto-bill-in-us-congress-is-the-most-comprehensive-yet
20:05 mats the cryptocurrency stuff is vague lard, hard to tell what it means until there's enforcement
20:18 billymg http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-02#1049856 << i was also always curious why MP was never nabbed or hit with missile from a drone. this was one of my theories as well, along the lines of "just don't draw too much attention"
20:18 dulapbot Logged on 2021-08-02 15:35:57 thestringpuller: i always figured it'd be MP getting arrested in some criminal enterprise scheme, but I guess fluffypony wanted to go full african warlord; i wonder if he has a gold plated AK stashed somewhere
20:18 dulapbot Logged on 2021-08-02 15:37:50 asciilifeform: thestringpuller: the funny thing is that mp was in fact rather cowardly and lived surprisingly modestly. at least, near as one could tell from his www.
20:18 dulapbot Logged on 2020-06-08 13:22:18 billymg: asciilifeform: i think there might be a common element between hassids (and amish, etc.) carrying on unmolested, and e.g. alf not being gassed -- members of the herd are not dropping out of school/office life to go join
20:19 billymg but then again, would not call year long tour of europe, all displayed on public www, keeping a low profile
20:20 billymg http://logs.bitdash.io/asciilifeform/2021-08-02#1049869 << i've never had to do this when coming through customs, but last time i did so was march 2020
20:20 bitbot Logged on 2021-08-02 19:49:33 asciilifeform: thimbronion, whaack , billymg -- do they bother w/ fingerprints etc in cr border ?
20:21 mats with some men you never quite know whether (or what %) they're full of shit until dead, and sometimes not even then
20:22 * billymg has to run some errands, bbl
20:22 mats iirc mp said his oc enterprise got rolled up shortly before nato .ro inclusion, so presumably he stopped talking to most of his pals
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20:46 whaack asciilifeform: fingerprints are not required to enter
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21:25 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-02#1049887 << i would. 'high' profile is when you actually (rather than w/ bullshit verbiage) upset lizards' apple carts.
21:25 dulapbot Logged on 2021-08-02 16:14:54 billymg: but then again, would not call year long tour of europe, all displayed on public www, keeping a low profile
21:26 asciilifeform not sleeping in overpriced hotels in belarus, no.
21:28 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-02#1049890 << no shortage of hot air, could sit for yr+ and not catalogue all the empty 'we are legion!111'(tm) threats/promises
21:28 dulapbot Logged on 2021-08-02 16:17:11 mats: with some men you never quite know whether (or what %) they're full of shit until dead, and sometimes not even then
21:28 dulapbot (trilema) 2017-02-24 mircea_popescu: what fucking "rational" and what fucking "basis". trump impeachment = open hunting season for "our democracy" "civilised" cucks. the http://trilema.com/2016/stfu-attention-whore-culture/ will roll right over.
21:28 thimbronion Was personally looking forward to MP "pissing in the ashes of DC" oh wells.
21:29 thimbronion asciilifeform: fingerprints not required for tourists. Only residents.
21:29 asciilifeform so then, answers the 'but how cheated the fingerprints' q from earlier.
21:31 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-02#1049878 << lock down all goxes? pray to satan that it happens!
21:31 dulapbot Logged on 2021-08-02 15:56:50 thestringpuller: dunno if there is more information on this as I couldn't find any, but apparently there is a bill in comittee right now that will lock down all cryptocurrency in the US?
21:32 asciilifeform FUCK any and all goxes.
21:32 dulapbot Logged on 2020-05-29 14:23:02 asciilifeform: the 'honest gox' is the same kinda laugh as 'honest seekrit email service', 'honest vpn', etc fried-ices
21:32 asciilifeform and the horse they rode in on.
21:33 thimbronion http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2017-02-24#1617652 << This *should* have been true.
21:33 dulapbot (trilema) 2017-02-24 mircea_popescu: what fucking "rational" and what fucking "basis". trump impeachment = open hunting season for "our democracy" "civilised" cucks. the http://trilema.com/2016/stfu-attention-whore-culture/ will roll right over.
21:33 asciilifeform thimbronion: if 'trump show' weren't a zhirinovsky-style muppet theatre for morons
21:34 asciilifeform which it was from day 0.
21:34 asciilifeform and asciilifeform warned you lot. 'over9000' times.
21:34 thimbronion asciilifeform: easy to say now. Opposition took it seriously enough.
21:34 asciilifeform ( moreover same show has been playing continuously in usa since 1950s.
21:34 dulapbot (trilema) 2017-02-23 asciilifeform: the 'respectable conservatives' are a zhirinovskian 'heat sink' and have been for decades.
21:34 mats the jan6 lulz turned out predictably
21:35 mats trump is not the master logistician required to succeed in a detail oriented endeavor like that
21:35 mats top show tho
21:36 asciilifeform mats: trump is simply an actor.
21:36 asciilifeform played role, went off state, maybe will play in next movie.
21:36 asciilifeform *stage
21:37 mats he got awful close, if pence had gone in, who knows the outcome
21:37 mats i wouldn't have bet on that horse but i can see why some did
21:37 thimbronion If Trump was not considered a threat by the opposition, he would not be banned across all social media. You may reply that the opposition are morons that believed the act, and I would agree with you.
21:38 asciilifeform thimbronion: 'if the t-rex in jurassic part weren't real, they wouldn't have shot at him' ?
21:38 asciilifeform *park
21:39 mats american counterintelligence was conspiciously absent throughout the whole affair
21:39 asciilifeform next thimbronion will suggest that e.g. osama bin laden actually existed as described, because 'or they would not have prattled about him on tv for 20y' ?
21:39 asciilifeform mats: and you know how ?
21:41 mats i don't.
21:41 thimbronion asciilifeform: I suspect there is no evidence you would accept that would prove Trump was not completely controlled opposition with a script in his back pocket the whole time, lacking any kind of free agency.
21:41 mats iirc fbi copped to having confidential informants in the mob, and i find it hard to believe they didn't have a complete picture, considering the whole thing was organised in public
21:42 mats wray claimed during the hearings that fbi can't monitor social media
21:43 mats but... info must've been flowing upwards from fusion centres, fbi field offices, metro cops
21:43 asciilifeform mats: by evidence of 'my lying eyes', usa is a 1party state, more solid than e.g. north kr, and there is nuffin even remotely resembling an 'opposition' with actual power over anything whatsoever. 100% of political elite solidly aligned on such questions as e.g. a 50+% tax rate for asciilifeform & other uppity plebes, $trillion dod grants to favourite sons, $trillion moneypipe to harvard&co,
21:43 asciilifeform bans on freedon of association from '60s onward, money-printing, 'over9000' basic things.
21:43 asciilifeform mats: fbi has coherent picture of 'don't even touch x, y, and z or director Can Also Have Problems and so can his children and recall epstein?' etc
21:45 thimbronion In any case I don't wanna fight about it. I don't like Trump anymore. On the other hand I won't go so far as to say all events in world history are carefully orchestrated.
21:45 asciilifeform outcome of 'american politics' 'competitions' has, as visible to naked eye, approx. as much connection with lived reality as outcome of football tournaments.
21:45 mats its a mistake to believe they are a cohesive unit
21:45 asciilifeform thimbronion: events not necessarily well orchestrated. media liquishit -- 100% orchestrated. since hearst.
21:46 asciilifeform mats: to what wouldja point as evidence of a lack of cohesion ?
21:46 * asciilifeform brb
21:46 mats like it was a mistake for folks to believe nsa was invincible after stuxnet, gru after dnc and rnc hacks, etc
21:47 mats by the mere fact that trump's plot got as far as it did, rather than being killed in the cradle
21:48 thimbronion Brexit/Trump/Bolsonaro not completely orchestrated. These events have had consequences - undesirable ones for the lizards, and I believe are at least partially why we're all forced to wear masks at the current moment.
21:48 mats this work hurts american sovereignty, any way you cut it, there's no win for 'lizards'
21:49 mats elites might cooperate on robbing the plebs, but they are fighting each other all the time, i can't see how not
21:53 thimbronion asciilifeform: There are other examples of populist leaders that choked after coming to power. Was Cola di Rienzo a lizard plot?
21:55 thimbronion Humans are fallible. Even mp and the lizards.
21:56 * whaack lol'd at seeing p_diddy huffin'
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22:54 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-02#1049945 << asciilifeform suspects that mats and asciilifeform see exactly same inputs there; but interpret very differently ( mats , possibly, as 'trump struggled valiantly against overwhelming forces', asciilifeform -- 'muppet show for morons')
22:54 dulapbot Logged on 2021-08-02 17:43:43 mats: by the mere fact that trump's plot got as far as it did, rather than being killed in the cradle
22:54 asciilifeform i dun see 'trump plot' other than as umpteenth 'reichstag fire'.
22:55 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-02#1049946 << never alleged 'orchestrated' in the sense that errybody involved gets a script. most partipants earnestly convinced that they're part of 'a struggle'. and artfully fail to notice at any point that all they ever get to fire is blanks.
22:55 dulapbot Logged on 2021-08-02 17:44:15 thimbronion: Brexit/Trump/Bolsonaro not completely orchestrated. These events have had consequences - undesirable ones for the lizards, and I believe are at least partially why we're all forced to wear masks at the current moment.
22:55 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-02#1049947 << what event wouldja suggest to interpret as 'loss for the lizards' ?
22:55 dulapbot Logged on 2021-08-02 17:44:16 mats: this work hurts american sovereignty, any way you cut it, there's no win for 'lizards'
22:55 mats would you change your opinion if bolder brownshirts than trump reoccupy the office, congress, and scotus?
22:56 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-02#1049949 << what does a 14th c fella have to do with the printolade-elite of postww2?
22:56 dulapbot Logged on 2021-08-02 17:49:30 thimbronion: asciilifeform: There are other examples of populist leaders that choked after coming to power. Was Cola di Rienzo a lizard plot?
22:56 mats a successful coup would be a loss
22:57 thimbronion http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-02#1049960 << when was human agency cancelled exactly?
22:57 dulapbot Logged on 2021-08-02 18:52:13 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-02#1049949 << what does a 14th c fella have to do with the printolade-elite of postww2?
22:57 asciilifeform mats: if harvard burned, graduates -- zykloned, beneficiaries of printism -- slaughtered en masse like huguenots in bartholomew's day
22:57 asciilifeform then -- 'coup', yes.
22:57 mats peaceful transitions of potus are fundament to the idea of enduring democracies
22:57 asciilifeform lolocracy
22:58 asciilifeform and potus is approx as much a 'power player' office as whoever gets to play luke in starwards-xxxx.
22:58 asciilifeform *starwars
22:59 mats this goes away, its legitimacy is tarnished, and fellows in hungary, slovenia, poland, etc, advance
22:59 asciilifeform mats: i srsly cant fucking believe that you seem to think the potus-buttons are still connected to anyffin.
22:59 asciilifeform recall that brochure where listed the ministries trump promised to close ?
22:59 asciilifeform i still have one somewhere
22:59 mats the slow march to managed democracies does matter
23:00 asciilifeform mats: was already managed in fdr's time.
23:01 mats potus may not be the supreme executive as in the bad old days, but its not a powerless role by any means
23:01 mats the head that wears the crown can still call on the mob, as we saw
23:01 asciilifeform demoocracy, mats, is a rattle.
23:01 dulapbot Logged on 2021-02-22 17:21:47 asciilifeform: the elite eagerly hand out faux-power to the plebes, like parents give rattles to children, to entertain and divert from 'breaking things'.
23:01 dulapbot Logged on 2021-02-22 17:22:03 asciilifeform: most famous rattle is of course the ballot.
23:01 dulapbot Logged on 2021-02-22 17:25:44 asciilifeform: spoiler : it does not matter how much you shake the rattle. or how big is your particular rattle. or even if you can get 1e9 fellow rattlers to shake theirs with you.
23:02 asciilifeform mats: point me to a permanent mark that trump made on anyffin at all with 'his power' on throne
23:02 mats and, the army national guard, capitol police, flag ossifers were remarkably compliant throughout the coup
23:02 asciilifeform mats: officers want same thing eltsin's officers wanted -- for the pension cheque to come on time and not bounce.
23:03 asciilifeform fwiw this is why eltsin's (even more brazenly extralegal) coup of '93 had 100% support of army
23:03 asciilifeform the side which promises 'less interesting times' wins the officers.
23:06 mats the largest mark i can think of is republican ownership of scotus
23:06 thimbronion http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-08-02#1049965 << this as at this point unavoidable
23:06 dulapbot Logged on 2021-08-02 18:53:13 asciilifeform: mats: if harvard burned, graduates -- zykloned, beneficiaries of printism -- slaughtered en masse like huguenots in bartholomew's day
23:06 mats and empowerment of israel's intl standing
23:06 asciilifeform mats: the same scotus which laffed trump outta the room when he tried to bring a case ?
23:07 mats well, old guard republicans i suppose
23:07 mats he hasn't been able to leash them in the same way as the rnc
23:08 asciilifeform rright. he could 'appoint judges' so long as all entirely interchangeable and ineffectual from a taking-actual-power pov
23:08 asciilifeform precisely like all of the other 'potus powers' he supposedly had.
23:08 mats its remarkable the rnc still fetches on command even though he's an obvious loser
23:08 mats normally, its a situation of 'what have you done for us lately'
23:08 asciilifeform gotta make sure all of the losers remember what they are.
23:09 asciilifeform iirc latest lol is that clitler II ordered that unmasked/unvaccinated politicans are to be thrown outta the building.
23:10 asciilifeform will be lulzy to see what 'opposition' does w/ that.
23:10 mats i do look forward to seeing what an uninterrupted eight years of roosevel- i mean, biden, looks like
23:10 asciilifeform already seeing, neh
23:10 asciilifeform 'biz-as-usual'
23:10 asciilifeform printer - brrr, pentagon -- $t+ and asks-for-moar, etc
23:11 asciilifeform tax -- 'to the moon' (and rent ~is~ tax)
23:11 asciilifeform y'know, just like previous half century of usg.
23:11 mats long history of the american press covering for broke dicks, from woodrow wilson to fdr
23:11 asciilifeform what means to say 'broke' when yer the one who makes 'printer go brr'.
23:11 mats the mind wanders as to who really holds the reins -- ron klain? harris?
23:12 asciilifeform mats: even supposing i knew the name, and hadn't consequently been drowned, what good would it do.
23:12 mats well i mean heavily impaired or outright disabled
23:12 asciilifeform a
23:13 asciilifeform mats: we've come a long way from e.g. byzantium when one could disqualify an emperor by blinding him
23:13 asciilifeform physical cripple can reign so long as part of correct wot.
23:14 thimbronion mental cripple even
23:14 asciilifeform thimbronion: indeed. for some value of 'reign'
23:14 asciilifeform so long as can read the script w/out too many serious oopses -- yes
23:15 asciilifeform ( see also.. )
23:15 dulapbot (trilema) 2014-10-24 asciilifeform: 'At the 1980 Olympics, Brezhnev begins his speech. "O!"—applause. "O!"—an ovation. "O!!!"—the whole audience stands up and applauds. An aide comes running to the podium and whispers, "Leonid Ilyich, those are the Olympic logo rings, you don't need to read all of them!"'
23:16 mats dunno that mask related arrests of congressppl can even constitutionally work if executed properly, ie, on the way to session
23:16 asciilifeform mats: ikr?
23:17 mats but i'm no attorney
23:19 asciilifeform high time to wake up to usg constitution being same grade of toiletpaper as the 1 under eltsin.
23:19 * asciilifeform bbl
23:28 mats usa still has a long ways to decline from here
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