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10:56 punkman https://kleros.io/ "Justice as a Service
10:56 punkman " heh
10:57 punkman "winner of the Blockchains for Social Good Prize from the European Union's Horizon 2020 research and innovation programme"
11:00 punkman "our court system is so clogged, we really don't want to hear about your token problems. here's some money, go away"
~ 1 hours 23 minutes ~
12:23 punkman https://scarce.city/auctions/Casascius-2013-Brass-0.5 << 0.3btc premium for 0.5btc coin. not bad.
12:26 punkman trying to read about ETH is infuriating, so many fucking names and platforms and protocols and they all do the same thing
12:27 punkman "By burning the base fee, we can no longer guarantee a fixed token supply. This could result in economic instability as the long term supply of ETH will no longer be constant over time. While a valid concern, it is difficult to quantify how much of an impact this will have. If more is burned on base fee than is generated in mining rewards then ETH
12:27 punkman will be deflationary and if more is generated in mining rewards than is burned then ETH will be inflationary. Since we cannot control user demand for block space, we cannot assert at the moment whether ETH will end up inflationary or deflationary, so this change causes the core developers to lose some control over Ethereum’s long term monetary
12:27 punkman policy."
~ 20 minutes ~
12:47 punkman https://samczsun.com/escaping-the-dark-forest/ "Attempt to exploit the issue ourselves. ... risky because the possibility of our transactions getting frontrun was very real."
12:56 punkman "After participating in the recovery attempt from Ethereum is a Dark Forest, which ultimately lost to front-runners, I was hungry for a re-match." "For the past few months, I had been trying to establish contacts with miners for this very purpose: white-hat transaction cooperation. If ever there was a time to appeal to a miner to include a
12:56 punkman transaction without giving front-runners the chance to steal it, it was now."
~ 2 hours 1 minutes ~
14:57 asciilifeform punkman: possibly you now see what asciilifeform was talking about earlier . there's an entire steaming sewer of these horrors.
14:57 dulapbot Logged on 2021-07-19 11:25:49 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-19#1046850 << imho cumulative history of bitcoinism is an excellent illustration of the 'why'. ~100% of the technical acumen has gone into finding ever new ways to defraud people, rather than solving the problems which factually exist from pov of honest user
15:00 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-19#1047165 << it only sorta worx, lol. ~randomly loses contents, this is an ancient plague.
15:00 dulapbot Logged on 2021-07-19 18:05:40 whaack: ...trb's memory pool works?
15:03 punkman asciilifeform: I don't think any of these people would be solving "factual problems", sort of like the "piracy problem", random indian wouldn't be buying "Spiderman_17.mp4" if he couldn't torrent it.
15:04 asciilifeform punkman: these -- possibly not. but i dun expect that ~erryone~ embroiled in e.g. ethertardium, is 'a this' ?
15:05 punkman and if Poettering wasn't doing systemd, he would be doing some other unspeakable horror, not any kind of "sane linux"
15:05 asciilifeform punkman: rright but his presence prevents work on sane linux by 'over 9000' folx.
15:06 punkman or his presence actually pushed several people closer to "sane linux"
15:08 asciilifeform the 'without evil, no heroes' pov ? it's appealing, but 'glass seller's fallacy', y'know, the one where 'vandals power the economy by breaking windos'
15:08 asciilifeform *windows
15:16 punkman in other top keks: "RTX 3060 software drivers are designed to detect specific attributes of the Ethereum cryptocurrency mining algorithm, and limit the hash rate, or cryptocurrency mining efficiency, by around 50 percent."
15:17 asciilifeform punkman: iirc already cracked
15:17 punkman https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2021/02/18/geforce-cmp/
15:18 asciilifeform punkman: cracked less than month later
15:18 punkman oh they accidentally leaked it themselves eh
15:19 asciilifeform allegedly.
15:19 asciilifeform why they'd boobytrap their product to begin with, remains a mystery to asciilifeform
15:20 asciilifeform why would nvidia care for what the irons are used. maybe i bought to hammer nails with. what biz is it of the vendor's?
15:21 punkman so the miners don't buy up all the supply!
15:21 punkman https://www.notebookcheck.net/Chinese-cryptominers-are-dumping-all-GPUs-before-the-Ethereum-hard-fork-Nvidia-RTX-3060-cards-for-as-low-as-270.549936.0.html
15:21 punkman Buterin solving that problem anyway
15:21 asciilifeform punkman: why would nvidia care who buys up the supply?
15:22 punkman because they need videogame players to be using their shit
15:23 asciilifeform i guess
15:23 asciilifeform punkman: and yea apparently the ethertards moving to permissioned mining.
15:29 punkman in which mining, downtime is reason to lose up to 100% of your "stake"
15:30 asciilifeform punkman: buterin is fixing the 'bug' where non-usg-affiliated parties can mine his shitcoin
15:31 asciilifeform that's the 'clef' to the 'roman a clef' of errything these people do.
15:31 asciilifeform (e.g. the 'bigblox' pushers in prb sphere)
15:32 asciilifeform y'know, why should! anyone without a oc-192 and petabyte of ssd be able to mine! right?
15:35 thestringpuller mEth heads I think aren't addicted to mEth but chumpatrons of which mEth is a chumpatron generator
15:35 whaack_temp good morning
15:36 asciilifeform thestringpuller: see also older thrd re 'elements' of such 'engineering'
15:36 dulapbot (trilema) 2014-11-13 asciilifeform: bip64, aside from complicating the protocol and giving relevance to the gavin shitgang, is also a jam-tomorrow chumpatronic engineering structural element
15:36 asciilifeform heya whaack
15:37 whaack asciilifeform: so the mempool is another Nth mystery of trb, eh?
15:37 asciilifeform whaack: the challenge is to find 1 part that worx 100%, lol.. they're all like this
15:38 whaack from what i saw yesterday it apparently clears out transactions that *YOU* created
15:38 asciilifeform aha. just like it disconnects nodes that you personally operate -- 'they're just nodes' -- etc
15:39 asciilifeform whaack: this kind of thing is why asciilifeform never participated in the idiotic 'satoshi worship' so commonplace in the sphere.
15:40 asciilifeform whoever was 'satoshi', was typical mswin 'indian coder', and it shows in erry line
15:40 asciilifeform and the product is perhaps the ultimate example of 'worse is better'(tm)(r)(c)
15:41 whaack yeah i have known this was the case from cursory reading of the code and from readng the logs b
15:41 whaack ...but i hit my first personal speedbump with the "txn must have at least 100 bytes" magical number with no clear error code
15:42 asciilifeform whaack: asciilifeform has been sawing on the thing since '14, and erry step of the way was like this.
15:46 whaack thimbronion: have you ever tried to check if the prb node actually contains the history of signatures?
15:47 thimbronion whaack: no I haven't.
15:48 whaack i guess from the trb purest POV it doesn't really matter either way
15:49 whaack they've opted to not protect their transactions with signatures and that's on them, if the signature is not inputed as part of the block hash than it does not exist
15:49 whaack then* it does not
15:51 whaack but i guess in retrospect satoshi should not have allowed the anyonecanspend option and should have instead designed bitcoin to prevent itself from being 'upgradeable' as much as possible
15:51 asciilifeform whaack: by all indications, there was little to no 'design' involved, d00d 'floated like a shit in an icehole' in erry which direction
15:52 thimbronion iirc satoshi was also a big blocker.
15:52 asciilifeform thimbronion: what suggested this ?
15:53 thimbronion asciilifeform: perhaps a forum post in which he speculated that the block size could be raised as needed. No ref. handy.
15:57 asciilifeform thimbronion: all i was able to find re subj. (does anyone, incidentally, have a non-spamwww copy of that archive?)
15:58 asciilifeform at the risk of repeating self : asciilifeform ftr could not care less what shitoshi wanted, thought he wanted, etc. he is no authority to asciilifeform whatsoever.
16:02 asciilifeform (imho it isn't an entirely uninteresting q, from strictly historical pov, 'what did shitoshi want'. but if i never hear another 'argumentum ad shitoshi' again, it won't be soon enuff.)
16:03 whaack ^ word.
16:14 thestringpuller punkman: read that thread on chainlink - i wonder if you simplified the game theory to simply monetizing the publishing of various WoTs;
16:15 punkman thestringpuller: wut
16:16 asciilifeform thestringpuller: dafuq ?
16:17 thestringpuller punkman: the good part of chainlink is oracles publish data and reputation of the orcales is published, the bad part is that data can be bad and in practice it's been shown publishing bad data doesn't affect the bottom line of the oracles
16:18 asciilifeform thestringpuller: how about 'the bad part is that it's a scam made out of scamatronium by known scammers and you'll get stupider just by looking at the docs' ?
16:19 thestringpuller asciilifeform: these are docs not hard drugs
16:19 asciilifeform thestringpuller: these behave surprisingly similarly.
16:19 asciilifeform folx who habitually read ethertardisms, get stupider.
16:19 asciilifeform 'be smart, don't start'(tm)(r)
16:19 thestringpuller i don't think i'll become ozzy osbourne just glancing over the whitepapers of various chumpatrons
16:20 asciilifeform thestringpuller: you understand, 'you are what you eat', neh ?
16:20 signpost this attitude is why tmsr produced no businesses of note.
16:20 asciilifeform if you habitually take in subtly-broken syllogisms , then come to assume that when it throws exception in your head, it's 'my own fault' -- what do you think happens ?
16:20 signpost and why others will own the future instead.
16:21 signpost that some derp is occupying some territory does not say anything about the "badness" of the territory.
16:21 signpost or we'd not care to have sane computers because once Gates' and Jobs' asses sat there.
16:21 asciilifeform signpost: i'd prefer to agree with you, simply on available inputs thus far -- cannot
16:21 asciilifeform seems like certain territories -- irradiated.
16:22 signpost certainly "the X of Y" coins are fucking retarded, no argument.
16:22 thestringpuller asciilifeform: this is why mentally ill people shouldn't consume twitter, but I don't see why rational person would be driven insane from inspecting the parts and blueprints of the chumpatron.
16:22 asciilifeform signpost: i'm a++ in favour of actual-biznis, however oddball; simply, not on permissioned-usgcoin.
16:22 signpost just let it not prevent the proper kind of speculation (i.e. the intellectual)
16:23 signpost 100% agree
16:23 signpost e.g. filecoin existing should not prevent someone from creating btc-tarsnap
16:23 asciilifeform sure. would like to remind folx to actually think, rather than buy a shitcoin pusher's claims as if they were logical postulated.
16:23 asciilifeform *postulates
16:24 signpost also great fucking scott my trb is at top of chain.
16:24 asciilifeform 'intellectual' to asciilifeform means that you ~gotta~ exclude postulates of the form 'find a 2 that's also a 3..'
16:24 asciilifeform !w poll
16:24 watchglass Polling 17 nodes...
16:24 thestringpuller the failings of most shitcoin is 99% - scam other 1% over complicating something that could be done more simply
16:24 watchglass 185.85.38.54:8333 : Could not connect!
16:24 watchglass 84.16.46.130:8333 : Could not connect!
16:24 watchglass 205.134.172.4:8333 : (172-4.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.022s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=691887
16:24 watchglass 205.134.172.26:8333 : Alive: (0.090s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=691887
16:24 watchglass 185.163.46.29:8333 : Could not connect!
16:24 watchglass 54.39.156.171:8333 : (ns562940.ip-54-39-156.net) Alive: (0.096s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=691887
16:24 watchglass 192.151.158.26:8333 : Alive: (0.083s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=691887
16:24 watchglass 205.134.172.28:8333 : Alive: (0.152s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=691887 (Operator: whaack)
16:24 watchglass 143.202.160.10:8333 : Alive: (0.234s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=691887
16:24 watchglass 208.94.240.42:8333 : Alive: (0.222s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=691887
16:24 watchglass 54.38.94.63:8333 : (ns3140226.ip-54-38-94.eu) Alive: (0.262s) V=88888 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.8.88.88/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=691887
16:24 watchglass 205.134.172.27:8333 : Alive: (0.146s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=691887 (Operator: asciilifeform)
16:24 watchglass 176.9.59.199:8333 : (static.199.59.9.176.clients.your-server.de) Alive: (0.332s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=412062 (Operator: jurov)
16:24 watchglass 213.109.238.156:8333 : Alive: (0.336s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=691887
16:24 watchglass 103.36.92.112:8333 : (terebe.ns01.net) Alive: (0.578s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=691887
16:24 watchglass 71.191.220.241:8333 : (pool-71-191-220-241.washdc.fios.verizon.net) Alive: (0.463s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=691887 (Operator: asciilifeform)
16:24 asciilifeform oh hm signpost yours aint in there atm is it
16:25 signpost no, and I got excited prematurely; I'm ~100 behind.
16:25 signpost maybe see top-o-chain today or tomorrow
16:26 watchglass 205.134.172.6:8333 : Busy? (No answer in 100 sec.)
16:26 asciilifeform ftr both of asciilifeform's noades are on boxes the size of a fist, circa '12
16:26 * signpost suspects the problem isn't the ryzen beast with ssd
16:26 asciilifeform aha
16:27 asciilifeform connectivity seems to be the only certain necessity. given as once noad falls behind, will normally stay behind.
16:28 punkman https://github.com/Defi-Cartel/salmonella "Friday, bot trader and LocalCoin Swap CTO Nathan Worsley released two token contracts named “Salmonella” and “Listeria” on the Ethereum blockchain with the intention of luring unsuspecting bot traders into an ambush. Mining pool Ethermine – which only publicly announced its MEV strategy last
16:28 punkman Wednesday – became entangled in the token trap, netting Worsley a quarter-million dollars after a few hours’ work."
16:28 asciilifeform lol!!
16:30 thestringpuller dang that's illegal to do on NYSE and CME
16:33 asciilifeform thestringpuller: indeed only usg.approved Official scammers get to scam on usg.stock.exchanges.
16:33 asciilifeform the etherdards are working on getting there.
16:33 asciilifeform *ethertards
16:33 asciilifeform what with permissioned this-and-thats.
16:37 signpost asciilifeform: in watching the logs of my node, it appears that I'm getting flooded with fake peers.
16:37 thestringpuller spoofing other HFT bots is the first idea an intern comes up with at trading firms, to which they are told "lets not all go to jail"
16:38 thestringpuller If it can be done legally in crypto for now...may be an interesting opportunity to experiment with
16:38 asciilifeform signpost: aha, there's a spamola op happening, billymg discovered recently via his noad scanner. doesn't seem to affect block propagation, tho, perhaps surprisingly.
16:38 dulapbot Logged on 2021-07-12 10:46:22 asciilifeform: billymg: indeed mega-spamola. doesn't seem to interfere w/ timely block-eating, interestingly.
16:39 punkman fake peers as in prb nodez?
16:39 asciilifeform thestringpuller: in usg.trading, aka 'legal' xyz's, erryone is Officially required to fight with one hand tied behind his back. erryone except for Officially unindictable elite, naturally.
16:39 punkman or not even prb nodez
16:40 asciilifeform punkman: fake as in there's suddenly 'over 9000' of'em and they don't emulate even prb convincingly, don't return peers, etc
16:41 billymg punkman: fake as in not even the heathen crawlers count them as real or ever having existed
16:42 signpost tbh separating crawling-for-peers from trb might be worthwhile.
16:43 signpost i.e. factoring that bit out into a separate process, and making trb's interactions with addr.dat read-only.
16:44 signpost the peer-crawler could just do a polite sanity-check on peers, then say goodbye and write to addr.dat
16:44 punkman ethers are wild, "blockchain reorg as a service"
~ 22 minutes ~
17:06 whaack !e height
17:06 trbexplorer 691892
17:07 whaack not expecting this to be there but...
17:07 whaack !e view-txn 8a5385db0d79f61964047eb73801fb5d052f2dda6da4213120982c59434080d4
17:07 trbexplorer Transaction not found.
17:18 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-20#1047316 << imho good idea (recall early attempt by asciilifeform , w/ 'wires')
17:18 dulapbot Logged on 2021-07-20 12:42:36 signpost: tbh separating crawling-for-peers from trb might be worthwhile.
17:19 signpost yep
17:20 * signpost currently watching thousands of presumably bunk nodes pissed into his trb
17:21 signpost gonna delete addr.dat as an experiment.
17:31 thestringpuller eu commission proposes new law amendments to prohibit anonymous wallets for cryptocurrencies
17:32 asciilifeform thestringpuller: coming next: eu commission prohibits farting w/out license
17:37 signpost sadly that resulted in zero blox falling into supplicating mouth
17:37 signpost moved old addr.dat back and... Loaded 201069 addresses
17:38 signpost bitnodes claims 12567 nodes atm, lol
17:38 signpost clearly the trb node reputation system needs work. this pissing of useless peers should be a ban.
17:42 asciilifeform signpost: formerly these always tripped 'malleus'. nowadays 'improved' evidently.
~ 1 hours 2 minutes ~
18:44 bonechewer http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-20#1047330 << For anyone who wants to amuse/horrify self with the shenanigans of both regimes and shitcoiners, this pair of Israeli lawyers periodically posts stuff like https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=cce049ae-3fc2-4b5b-9a2d-308952360906
18:44 dulapbot Logged on 2021-07-20 13:31:37 thestringpuller: eu commission proposes new law amendments to prohibit anonymous wallets for cryptocurrencies
18:46 billymg asciilifeform: yeah, i swear when i was running my crawler previously, a month or so ago, trb nodes always returned reasonable number of nodes (double or low triple digit counts)
18:46 billymg then shifted to spam on / spam off waves
18:47 billymg now permaspam
18:48 billymg signpost: would be funny to create an issue on their github about this and see where it goes
~ 25 minutes ~
19:14 asciilifeform billymg: in so far as the scale of annoyance of spammers goes, this one's pretty far on the bottom, if it were not for billymg's scanner -- likely asciilifeform would not even know (seems to have 0 measurable effect on performance)
19:14 asciilifeform billymg: possibly if were 1e6 spamola peers -- might notice
19:15 asciilifeform evidently they aint sending much (by volume) liquishit
~ 1 hours 13 minutes ~
20:28 whaack !e height
20:28 trbexplorer 691908
20:39 whaack !e view-txn b78db0425f4f9c27410c356ed79233ed9a5dcfe368130a41c0bded657747b169/
20:39 trbexplorer Invalid hash (odd length.)
20:39 whaack !e view-txn b78db0425f4f9c27410c356ed79233ed9a5dcfe368130a41c0bded657747b169
20:39 trbexplorer TXN OVERVIEW
20:39 trbexplorer txn_hash: b78db0425f4f9c27410c356ed79233ed9a5dcfe368130a41c0bded657747b169
20:39 trbexplorer block_height: 691908
20:39 trbexplorer txn_index: 2
20:39 trbexplorer size: 160
20:39 trbexplorer INPUTS
20:39 trbexplorer txn_hash: 32b3553f7f2e8be5e0fff3dd36cf9d5c22681905003ffda5693ed42445198275
20:39 trbexplorer out_index: 51
20:39 trbexplorer value_sats: 62500000
20:39 trbexplorer scriptsig: 21ab901282c2d0c32df796f4a662c05758f2b4f08513b54cedc13b06499b9f8a200022
20:39 trbexplorer OUTPUTS
20:39 trbexplorer address: 8bf0ae0ea034b2c14f83bcd861e8c379e3387d401400
20:39 trbexplorer value_sats: 3855950
20:39 trbexplorer address: da94189e4aa9ca212e2a7a44c2541523ea1abcb3cc805c108ceceff45de974e02000
20:39 trbexplorer value_sats: 58545670
20:41 whaack !e push 010000000169b1477765edbdc0410a1368e3cf5d9aed3392d76e350c41279c4f5f42b08db70100000000ffffffff02e3eeff00000000001976a9146c560e9d65f3daf56e44d7c4c6b6bb39c4c120b188ace3eeff00000000001976a9146c560e9d65f3daf56e44d7c4c6b6bb39c4c120b188ac00000000
20:41 trbexplorer txid d83fc47fb574c2c11f3b115f04f5418a707dd1032fcd1817f529187813885692
20:42 * whaack has upped the bounty to a quarter of a bitcoin
20:54 billymg asciilifeform: ah, makes sense
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