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00:08 punkman http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-08-15#1019389 << heh
00:08 dulapbot Logged on 2020-08-15 15:54:29 kiwi_58: this was supposed to be b4 the "but then this :" post ...https://elevenews.com/2019/09/28/tether-issuance-correlated-with-bitcoin-price-surges-academic-research-finds/
00:10 punkman impressed this guy is still going https://bitfinexed.medium.com/tether-is-setting-a-new-standard-for-transparency-that-is-untethered-from-facts-deec42c473bb
~ 20 minutes ~
00:30 punkman holy shit "Tether claims to have $62 billion in reserves"
00:31 punkman mats, since that paper was written, 50 more billion
00:42 punkman $62b is around 10% of current BTC marketcap, not bad.
00:44 mats everybody knows, has known for years, about the fractional reserve of tether, and many tens of billions have still poured in despite heavy suspicions of junk credit grades, because its liquid and kyc free
00:45 mats offshore stablecoins aren't going anywhere, and as a submarine for dollarisation and future bitcoinisation, i think its a pretty good instrument for btc
00:45 punkman lulz "Between June 1st 2017 and September 15, 2017, Bitfinex only had two customers deposit USD into Bitfinex.
00:45 punkman Effectively, the “largest Bitcoin exchange”, and where “price discovery was taking place, was just two customers."
00:45 punkman mats, who's even buying all these stablecoins
00:46 mats none of this is to say that i approve of the manner in which they operate their business, but they can afford to do fractional backing because of the insane mountains of fiat chasing bitcoins
00:46 mats punkman: everyone who wants to hold eurodollars instead of their local trash
00:47 punkman "Tether reported that it’s one of the largest purchasers of commercial paper, but the traders in the commercial papers markets, are not seeing Tether participating in the US commercial paper market."
00:47 mats thats not true
00:48 punkman https://www.ft.com/content/342966af-98dc-4b48-b997-38c00804270a
00:50 punkman I guess they could be buying .cn paper, so the NY guys wouldn't know
00:56 mats its nuts really, outfits like binance have done trillions usd equivalent in trades just this year, without physical headquarters/entities or even bank accounts, instead using stablecoins and partnerships with fiat payments processors
01:01 mats in any case, i don't believe tether poses any danger to bitcoin, if anything its a threat to tether stakeholders and fiat
01:02 mats (speaking to the endless fud in ratholes where btc is in a bubble bc of tether issuance or whatever lame theory)
~ 37 minutes ~
01:39 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-05#1042880 , http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-05#1042864 << it is rather depressing how folx have ~right idea~ but still zombie along because the avail. libraries are not only broken but fundamentally enstupidating.
01:39 dulapbot Logged on 2021-07-05 18:43:54 punkman: https://peerlinks.io/protocol.html << perfect of example of "blockchain engineering"
01:39 dulapbot Logged on 2021-07-05 16:53:55 punkman: I always liked the style of this item https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retroshare
01:41 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-05#1042870 << somehow i recall hearing year after year 'this is the year it pops', and at some pt i expect that, like all other pyramids -- will do so. but when -- only the perp knows
01:41 dulapbot Logged on 2021-07-05 18:08:48 punkman: that 10+billion USD in Tether is gonna end up in megalulz
01:41 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-05#1042873 << loads without problem here
01:41 dulapbot Logged on 2021-07-05 18:34:51 signpost: actually... works for me here
01:42 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-05#1042876 << somehow nobody (not in english anyway) ever mentions the fact that imperial-era ru had famines erry ~decade like clockwork for its ~entire existence
01:42 dulapbot Logged on 2021-07-05 18:36:01 signpost: see holodomor and etc
01:43 shinohai asciilifeform: https://twitter.com/HodlTarantula/status/1412225124422586369 xD
01:43 asciilifeform shinohai: lol just nao somebody dug it up?
01:45 shinohai I was talking to this other guy about fuckgoats and trng, and he posted that up and it spread tonite lol
01:45 asciilifeform ook
01:45 * shinohai still does trb evangelical work for all the good it does.
01:45 * asciilifeform read linked pg, snoar
01:49 asciilifeform shinohai: i can't resist to ask, did this evangelism ever once result in a confirmed case of a new, lasting trb noad ?
01:50 asciilifeform ( or do they 100% of the time simply 'woah, far-out, but lemme get back to my beer' ?)
01:51 shinohai Pretty much the latter, though the guy that started thrd *did* bother to fire up VM and was trying to build trb. Last I heard from him he asked for noad list.
01:51 shinohai Then likely went back to beers
01:54 * asciilifeform is not infrequently asked -- most recently by own brother -- 'why do you bother to maintain trb, run nodes? you don't win, only the fat pigs win' and never had a properly rational answer.
01:57 asciilifeform i'd say to shinohai something like 'why not evangelize among folx who do actual commerce and could benefit from trb etc' but afaik these do not in fact exist.
01:59 shinohai I don't have rational answer for asciilifeform re: that.
02:01 asciilifeform is ok shinohai , i wasn't expecting you to
02:07 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-05#1042904 << in what sense are 'stablecoins' actually stable ?
02:07 dulapbot Logged on 2021-07-05 20:56:16 mats: its nuts really, outfits like binance have done trillions usd equivalent in trades just this year, without physical headquarters/entities or even bank accounts, instead using stablecoins and partnerships with fiat payments processors
02:08 davout http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-04#1042681 <<< the bitbet txes weren't conflicting, there wouldn't have been an issue, had they been
02:08 dulapbot Logged on 2021-07-04 22:39:12 asciilifeform: to this day does not know why 'bitbetized tx', i.e. ones that get sat on for days, ~weeks~, until you try an' send a conflicting one, at which pt original gets insta-mined are a thing !
02:08 asciilifeform ( afaik simply is buzzword for shitcoins where perp claims he will redeem any # of'em for a proportionate, by some factor, sum of usd/eur/etc ? )
02:09 asciilifeform davout: hmm
02:09 asciilifeform ( how many were there? guess i'ma have to reread the '16 log )
02:11 asciilifeform davout: you're elementarily right, of course they could not have conflicted.
02:12 asciilifeform makes the episode all the moar wtf..
~ 2 hours 30 minutes ~
04:42 mats http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-05#1042930 << the issuer will give you a 1:1 redemption, or you can sell it at a mild discount p2p or at an exchange
04:42 dulapbot Logged on 2021-07-05 22:07:44 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-05#1042904 << in what sense are 'stablecoins' actually stable ?
04:46 mats >We expect that in the coming years, cryptodollars and payment systems built atop them will challenge centralized p2p transactional systems like Venmo, Paypal, Cash App, and Zelle ... The relative lack of encumbrances offered by cryptodollars provides a superior experience, especially on a cross-border basis. Remittance use cases, especially in corridors will are poorly served by current infrastructure, are an obvious target for
04:46 mats cryptodollar issuers and founders building atop them. They appear uniquely suited for large, b2b transfers, in particular on a cross border basis where the correspondent banking system might be lacking. https://cdn.b12.io/client_media/2nMpL8WQ/2b43d97c-c061-11ea-a23f-0242ac110002-Cryptodollars_Castle_Island_Ventures_2020-07-07.pdf
05:01 mats as for how exactly the peg works, its like the hk currency board that keeps hkd:usd in a $7.750-7.7600 band. if you'd like more detail, https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w27136/w27136.pdf
05:02 mats theres a may2021 update to the paper but ssrn won't give it to me ;/
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05:48 mats if youre one of those weirdos that prefer audio, heres an interview with the authors of 'what keeps stablecoins stable?', https://onthebrink-podcast.com/what-keeps-stablecoins-stable
05:49 mats god, i miss #b-a
~ 2 hours 13 minutes ~
08:03 davout mats create the chan?
08:04 davout i just tried, doesn't seem to be allowed
08:05 mats i was surprised to find a few old timers in it on libera just now
~ 19 minutes ~
08:25 davout joined
08:29 verisimilitude What was this for?
08:36 mats #bitcoin-assets grew out of -otc and was the pre-schism tmsr
~ 1 hours 19 minutes ~
09:56 gregory4 http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-05#1042926 << no reward for running nodes. this is a well-known weakness of the blockchain-concept.
09:56 dulapbot Logged on 2021-07-05 21:54:06 asciilifeform: is not infrequently asked -- most recently by own brother -- 'why do you bother to maintain trb, run nodes? you don't win, only the fat pigs win' and never had a properly rational answer.
09:59 gregory4 davout: are you named after the Napoleonic marshal?
10:04 gregory4 https://store.steampowered.com/app/48705/Mount__Blade_Warband__Napoleonic_Wars
10:04 gregory4 this was one of my favorite games.
10:04 punkman http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-06#1042946 << been rereading logs around the bitbet affair. fun.
10:04 dulapbot Logged on 2021-07-06 01:49:45 mats: god, i miss #b-a
10:05 punkman by that time, there were already some complaints about not much business happening
10:06 punkman then mpex went "private"
10:11 punkman I still find the "if ceo fucks up, company pays for it" argument quite convincing. But then you add "zero-asset corp", wild claims, nubbins raising hell...
10:12 punkman does kakobrekla have any website now?
10:13 punkman guess he has twatter https://twitter.com/kakobrekla
10:26 mats retrospectively its a bit interesting that btc only recently (maybe last two years / 18mos) stopped being a hiring risk
10:28 mats if fiat-cryptodollar-btc financial plumbing wasnt so anathema to #b-a, some of us mightve helped build out the bridges to institutional participation
10:28 punkman http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-05#1042907 << Retroshare has been around for 15 years, that's kinda respectable compared to all the other derps. And only used RSA+SSL, which made sense in 2006.
10:28 dulapbot Logged on 2021-07-05 21:39:51 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-05#1042880 , http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-05#1042864 << it is rather depressing how folx have ~right idea~ but still zombie along because the avail. libraries are not only broken but fundamentally enstupidating.
10:28 punkman mats, what do you mean hiring risk?
10:29 mats youd get fired if you fooled with btc in finance
10:29 mats i guess davout is the sole exception there because of paymium
10:30 punkman mats, #b-a had various USD/EUR things, didn't it
10:31 mats i only remember the euro futures and pre-paymium
10:33 punkman 62b in Tether is wild though, that's enough to wreck all altcoins out there.
10:36 punkman but I guess the non-bitfinex exchanges didn't mind getting that Tether in their market. The derps liked it, the prices went up.
10:36 mats since we're doing the old men reminiscing about the past bit, if you missed it, rip pankkake
10:36 punkman yeah I saw
10:36 mats legendary
10:41 punkman davout, are you still involved with Paymium?
10:52 dpb gregory4, punkman, check out http://atruechurch.info/ and don't go to hell like the rest of the world!
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11:09 shinohai $vwap
11:09 busybot The 24-Hour VWAP for BTC is $ 34246.43 USD
11:09 shinohai $blocks btc
11:09 busybot Blocks: 689876
~ 15 minutes ~
11:24 punkman dpb, I have "true church" at home, it's called "the orthodox church"
11:30 punkman heh https://i.imgur.com/ytaq7I3.jpg
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12:01 shinohai lol dick pills
12:05 davout gregory4 no some friend came up with some silly play on words, it stuck
12:06 davout punkman no, i got fired in 2016 because the new ceo was, and still is, an idiot. I sued and won
12:07 davout mats yeah, i was reading the paper the other day and was "shit i knew this guy"
12:07 davout *was like
12:11 kakobrekla you weirdos keep ringing, sup
12:14 mats with the rash of deaths lately, perhaps a tontine is in order
12:14 mats jk i dont want to be killed
12:16 dpb punkman, the orthodox churches are not in the truth, and believe much of the same false doctrine as the protestasnts
12:16 mats youre the worst dpb
12:18 punkman dpb, did you grow up in the truechurch or were you a convert?
12:19 dpb convert. My parents are atheists
12:20 mats i grew up in the church and got tired of this shit before i turned 10
12:26 punkman speaking of old books, there's always the Rigveda
12:40 shinohai J.R. "BOB" Dobbs the only true prophet.
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12:56 gregory4 http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-06#1042980 << thanks for mentioning, but I am already an Episcopalian.
12:56 dulapbot Logged on 2021-07-06 06:52:12 dpb: gregory4, punkman, check out http://atruechurch.info/ and don't go to hell like the rest of the world!
13:02 gregory4 http://atruechurch.info/faq.html << this seems like yet another incarnation of the trend, originally espoused by Baptists/Methodists/Presbyterians, of divorcing religion from philosophy.
13:05 gregory4 it very much reminds me of The Christian System by Alexander Campbell.
13:05 dpb i mention to warn you to *leave* your episcopalian church, as it is not in the truth.
13:17 punkman "Nothing wrong with making outrageous but intuitively beautiful claims + attempting to understand them post hoc— Such is the recipe for any knowledge worth knowing. Reason’s proper role is as a means of explaining beauty, not arriving at it."
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13:59 puman1 hey kakobrekla, most are now at dulap irc 205.134.172.3:6667 (server pass: FG baud rate)
14:01 puman1 they will only see http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-06#1042992 if they are going through the log
14:01 snsabot Logged on 2021-07-06 08:11:11 kakobrekla: you weirdos keep ringing, sup
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14:45 kakobrekla that means i would need to figure out where my znc config is etc
14:45 kakobrekla havent touched it for years
14:51 asciilifeform ohey kakobrekla . puman1 is correct, most of the life is on dulapnet nao.
14:55 kakobrekla freenode really took a hit huh
14:58 asciilifeform kakobrekla: dulapnet, if not clear from context, consists of simply a box in asciilifeform's dc rack. at least currently.
14:58 kakobrekla yeah i figured it must be your contraption
14:59 asciilifeform it is made of matchsticks, so to speak, and meant to be temporary..
14:59 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-06#1042939 << will give -- or not, lol
14:59 dulapbot Logged on 2021-07-06 00:42:48 mats: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-05#1042930 << the issuer will give you a 1:1 redemption, or you can sell it at a mild discount p2p or at an exchange
14:59 kakobrekla who else is going to put fg baud rate as password lol
14:59 asciilifeform like mtgox 'will give'
15:00 asciilifeform kakobrekla: it does keep the blind bots out, which was the only reason to have a pw.
15:01 kakobrekla all i can recall from znc config is that i always see "do not edit this config by hand" just before i proceed to edit said config by hand
15:01 asciilifeform asciilifeform's chan has always been sufficiently boring to not suffer spam problem.
15:01 asciilifeform kakobrekla: i've only ever edited it by hand (with what else? cock?)
15:01 kakobrekla there is like a cli q&a quide or something?
15:02 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-06#1042948 << if this was on dulapnet -- it's hardwired for #a yes
15:02 dulapbot Logged on 2021-07-06 04:04:58 davout: i just tried, doesn't seem to be allowed
15:02 kakobrekla guide i mean
15:03 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-06#1042946 << outta curiosity, what do you miss ? the havelock & mpex spamola ? the 100+ folx trying to weasel btc outta one another ?
15:03 dulapbot Logged on 2021-07-06 01:49:45 mats: god, i miss #b-a
15:03 kakobrekla i think my hands were trying to overwrite that with 'quit'
15:09 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-06#1042966 << satan preserve us from 'institutional participation' .
15:09 dulapbot Logged on 2021-07-06 06:28:12 mats: if fiat-cryptodollar-btc financial plumbing wasnt so anathema to #b-a, some of us mightve helped build out the bridges to institutional participation
15:10 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-06#1042970 << if this is no longer so, is a sad thing : means that the enemy no longer fears it.
15:10 dulapbot Logged on 2021-07-06 06:29:22 mats: youd get fired if you fooled with btc in finance
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16:10 davout http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-06#1042958 <<< see http://fr.anco.is/category/bitcoin/bitbet
16:10 dulapbot Logged on 2021-07-06 06:04:34 punkman: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-06#1042946 << been rereading logs around the bitbet affair. fun.
16:10 davout kmłoc:kxl
16:10 davout oops sorry
16:15 thestringpuller i always figured bitbet was MP fat fingering a transaction - didn't he double pay winners or something?
16:16 davout he sent a second transaction paying winners when he saw the first one didn't seem to get mined
16:16 davout his error was to not make the second transaction conflict with the first one
16:17 davout so eventually both got mined
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16:44 verisimilitude YHWH is an obviously evil entity, dpb. There are deities in cartoons I'd sooner seriously worship.
16:53 dpb He said you would say that
16:58 kakobrekla apparently it works
16:58 asciilifeform welcome to dulapnet, kakobrekla
17:03 kakobrekla yeah thats odd
~ 26 minutes ~
17:29 punkman anyone have an EU colo provider they'd recommend?
17:32 kakobrekla i have 10+ machines at online.net, they keep bumping up the prices though, so they are not considered cheap any more
~ 18 minutes ~
17:50 verisimilitude I just use a cheap RamNode option.
17:51 verisimilitude I suppose I misread that.
17:57 asciilifeform kakobrekla: is 1 of those 10 boxen your personal www ? canhaz link ? ( or still believe blog is sinful..? )
18:01 kakobrekla why so extreme aflie,.. my lack of having shouldnt imply its wrong to have
18:02 davout kakobrekla ohai
18:02 kakobrekla how is it
18:04 davout not bad
18:06 verisimilitude The word ``blog'' is perhaps sinful, asciilifeform.
18:09 kakobrekla what is sinful are those quotes you just used
18:09 asciilifeform verisimilitude: i think of 'blog' as simply www with date-stamped articles
18:09 verisimilitude A sin is whatever someone personally dislikes, right?
18:10 kakobrekla not when you are a part of echo chamber groupthink!
18:10 verisimilitude Yes.
18:11 kakobrekla im sure dbp will happily explain some sins to you
18:11 verisimilitude I just prefer referring to it as a personal website, or a Gopher hole, asciilifeform.
18:12 verisimilitude Those would be whatever YHWH personally dislikes, right?
18:12 asciilifeform verisimilitude: like many folx, i had traditional-form www prior to blog (preserved in 'vintage' category on current one)
18:16 verisimilitude Link.
18:17 asciilifeform verisimilitude: scroll to 'vintage' under 'useful' (it aint a wp tag, doesn't have a linkable link)
18:17 asciilifeform ( i dun think you'll find the old pgs particularly interesting tho )
18:19 verisimilitude I remember the P4 page.
18:20 verisimilitude I've a Virtual Boy, which I need to repair in order to play again.
~ 37 minutes ~
18:57 verisimilitude Say, TCP has issues due to the abstractions available to it, but virtual circuits are obviously useful, and could avoid these issues by being placed higher up the chain; what are the thoughts on SCTP, however; I don't recall if it features many of the issues of TCP.
18:59 asciilifeform verisimilitude: massive pile o'shit quite similar to tcp, and for same reasons. (includes even moar craptastic garbage, e.g. 'heartbeats')
19:00 asciilifeform this is a general rule : if you start to insist on 'work-alike' replacement for a gratuitously complex pile o'shit -- you WILL receive a pile o'shit similar to your old one.
19:00 punkman this seems handy https://www.pjon.org/
19:02 * asciilifeform lols at folx eternally reinventing ethernet for 50+yrs..
19:04 verisimilitude It even has the humans of flat corporate propaganda artstyle.
19:06 verisimilitude Still, most programs would be suited to something higher than UDP, and such somethings could be standardized into libraries.
19:06 asciilifeform verisimilitude: i aint in the biz of thinking about 'most programs...'
19:07 asciilifeform (i have a concrete set of problems i actually indend to solve, by actually writing concrete programs, lol)
19:07 asciilifeform *intend
19:08 verisimilitude Yes, and doing that is a prime source of libraries.
19:08 verisimilitude Every library I've written was to improve something I was already doing.
19:09 asciilifeform verisimilitude: i won't argue against standardization/librarization in the abstract, but like to remind folx that it has a cost.
~ 17 minutes ~
19:26 shinohai davout: I'm sorry to admit I didn't know you still blogged!
19:27 * shinohai also read pete_dushenski's MP piece, cringed at "Without him, the world of digital assets.....".
19:28 asciilifeform blrgh
19:31 kakobrekla you are all buying that?
19:31 kakobrekla i think he just got jelly of mcafee and wanted to get some attention.
19:32 asciilifeform kakobrekla: see e.g. thrd
19:32 dulapbot Logged on 2021-06-27 10:05:17 asciilifeform: gregorynyssa: i admit that i will not be greatly astonished if he were to turn up alive at some point. like just about errything else he had done in life, this could readily be another elaborate, heavily intellectualized ego-pumping scam.
19:32 kakobrekla "how come he gets to death no fair!!!"
19:33 asciilifeform doing a notbad job playing dead so far, if so.
19:33 kakobrekla idk, maybe it was the chinese mining cartel, being kicked out of china going for that green kostarika power
19:35 punkman all those "news" sites covering the story, I bet not a single one made phone call to CR
19:36 asciilifeform punkman: how do you picture this? call the linked fishwraps and 'really dead? or was late apr1 joak?'
19:36 dulapbot Logged on 2021-06-27 00:14:06 web-54: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-06-26#1040936 <<< wasn't sure either though a quick search: https://www.teletica.com/sucesos/extranjero-de-41-anos-murio-ahogado-en-playa-hermosa-garabito_288345 , https://www.crhoy.com/nacionales/hombre-muere-ahogado-en-playa-hermosa ,
19:36 punkman dunno, get whatever stupid detail for your clickbait
19:37 punkman sumthing like that
19:37 asciilifeform punkman: lol, wasn't aware there was a magic # to call for detail on arbitrary local rag
19:37 asciilifeform at any rate imho fella's been dead, for practical purposes, since '17 or so. simply only buried (supposing in fact) now.
19:38 punkman when did s.nsa get canceled?
19:38 asciilifeform punkman: late '19
19:39 asciilifeform punkman: was even wankier story than kakobrekla's, mp ended up churning out kilometres of shit re asciilifeform being enemy-of-the-people etc
19:40 asciilifeform punkman: you read the 'interview' neh.
19:40 dulapbot Logged on 2019-11-08 20:15:06 asciilifeform: dorion: you may begin whenever you wish. ( yer time slot is still to 1600 . )
19:41 punkman I've probably read at least some of that. Wasn't the last straw when alf wanted to do pizzaro2 without mp?
19:41 kakobrekla here id like to note that from alfies pov, kako is also enemy-of-idkevenwhatexactly, a judgement made on fabrications
19:41 kakobrekla so its like some sort of shit circle
19:41 asciilifeform punkman: not only wanted to , but did, it's still in biz and yer talking into a box hosted there.
19:43 asciilifeform kakobrekla: the only dirty deal i know for certain you ever took part in, was monkeying with the logs, imho that was low.
19:43 kakobrekla eh, fuck you, you twisted (and still are, possibly unknowingly) the truth
19:44 kakobrekla and were sending ppl on my turf into a scammerhole
19:44 kakobrekla etc etc
19:44 kakobrekla you think anyone reads longs after chan went silent, come on, you are better than that
19:44 kakobrekla longs = logs
19:45 asciilifeform kakobrekla: fwiw i was still reading the older ones on your www, until phf (and then asciilifeform , who wrote the current logger) subsumed'em
19:45 kakobrekla well congrats, you were the only reader
19:45 punkman it's fun that the logs are littered with broken links to dozen different loggers
19:46 asciilifeform punkman: mine converts the link targets (lemme know if you find one where failed) to correct place in my db.
19:46 kakobrekla i took that shit down recently, i only kept it up so long cause alfie said im gonna fold before mp does or some shit like that
19:47 punkman asciilifeform, btw why did you combine #b-a and #t
19:48 asciilifeform punkman: cuz absolutely 0 of any note happened in the remnant-#ba.
19:48 kakobrekla ofc it did, asciilifeform was funneling ppl into a pit of snakes, thats what was happening hehe
19:48 asciilifeform punkman: if you have a copy of the db, they're conveniently marked (era 1 == #ba)
19:49 asciilifeform kakobrekla: in addition to the snake, it contained 100% of what i consider to be the interesting work.
19:49 punkman http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-06#1043114 << what's this about?
19:49 dulapbot Logged on 2021-07-06 15:43:42 kakobrekla: eh, fuck you, you twisted (and still are, possibly unknowingly) the truth
19:50 asciilifeform punkman: apparently kakobrekla still fighting the last war..
19:50 * asciilifeform mind boggles, d00d walked away with, what, 700+ btc !!
19:50 kakobrekla what
19:51 punkman wut
19:51 kakobrekla you accused me several times of trying to scam the bbet recievership (i guess thats why davout wrote how helpful both me and mp were in the process)
19:51 asciilifeform iirc kakobrekla's net profit from biz w/ mp. (can't seem to find where in log tho)
19:52 asciilifeform kakobrekla: not referring to the supposed scam, but from 'peacetime'
19:52 kakobrekla anyway, i would have let bb carry mps fuckup, if it werent for the lame ass konspiraci fakenews
19:52 kakobrekla if he manned up, i would have signed
19:53 kakobrekla that was the deal
19:53 asciilifeform kakobrekla: i still suspect it was 'shit test'. he administered a similar one to asciilifeform in '19, and decided 'failed'
19:53 kakobrekla i cant sign some obvious bullshit, cause next week "aliens stole all private keys, sign please"
19:53 kakobrekla yeah you are reading too much into it
19:53 kakobrekla still.
19:53 * asciilifeform brb,teatime
19:53 kakobrekla ciao
19:54 punkman I reread davout's blog, seemed like it was handled well
19:54 punkman the bbet liquidation
19:55 kakobrekla btw, i dont think i said this before, but imo shareholders got a fucking a++ deal
19:55 kakobrekla i mean, with the liquidation
19:56 verisimilitude I was thinking about Domain Acknowledgment in relation to peripherals earlier, as I was falling to sleep. I don't currently see a good abstraction over what keys a keyboard exposes, sans requiring programs to whitelist which keys it recognizes, leaving all others ignored or sent to others. Common whitelists could be shared, for ease. I quite like the idea.
19:56 punkman I was looking at fairlay the other day, couldn't figure out how it worked
19:58 punkman kakobrekla: did you ever know who the znort guy that bought it was?
19:58 kakobrekla asciilifeform you framing sucks btw, "kako got out xxx btc"... how about "mp got out xxx btc" (plus the coins he decided to best keep instead of distribution to proper owners)
19:59 kakobrekla punkman no idea
20:00 kakobrekla dude is "dead", you "hate" him (or whatever of the 4 bits you have flipped on him) and you still frame stuff in this convoluted way, i dont get it
20:01 kakobrekla not that it makes a diff to me.
20:08 asciilifeform kakobrekla: the real puzzler to me, is that the maniac made you fabulously wealthy (don't pretend that kind of easy money existed, for you, outside of his pyramid, where you happened to get in 'in time') and yet to this day not interested in discussing anything but how he fucked you
20:08 asciilifeform 700 btc not enuff? 'oughta have' 10000 ?
20:08 kakobrekla punkman all i know is that he needed a manual to install & operate the site, which i provided him with. and later on his yahoo email got hacked.
20:09 * asciilifeform ftr made precisely 0 (actually -, but let's call it 0) from work w/ mp.
20:10 kakobrekla asciilifeform did you ever consider that whatever btc you think i got from the deal (which was like 5 grand in fiat money at the time) does not represent significat change of stash
20:10 kakobrekla its not my fault you "made 0"
20:10 asciilifeform kakobrekla: i have absolutely 0 against you personally, if not clear
20:10 kakobrekla not clear
20:11 kakobrekla what i got from ipo was "5k worth of btc" and thats the only proper framing
20:11 kakobrekla whatever else you are building on top, is your problem
20:12 davout http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-06#1043097 <<< kinda miss qntra
20:12 dulapbot Logged on 2021-07-06 15:35:11 punkman: all those "news" sites covering the story, I bet not a single one made phone call to CR
20:12 asciilifeform davout: BingoBoingo baked a kind of continuation, but seems to have gotten bored
20:13 asciilifeform davout: fwiw i've a full mirror of qntra (orig. is still alive, but was on mp-controlled domain, so i expect will turn into goatse at some point)
20:14 * davout will read the continuation
20:14 davout http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-06#1043113 <<< wut
20:14 dulapbot Logged on 2021-07-06 15:43:14 asciilifeform: kakobrekla: the only dirty deal i know for certain you ever took part in, was monkeying with the logs, imho that was low.
20:14 asciilifeform kakobrekla: picture if not had the incident in '16 -- could have lived w/ mp for another 2-3y until the berlin-1945 days of '20
20:15 asciilifeform davout: at one pt he had his log www s/trilema/goatse or similar (i forget exactly)
20:15 davout http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-06#1043138 <<< yeah, that was kinda weird.
20:15 dulapbot Logged on 2021-07-06 15:52:42 kakobrekla: anyway, i would have let bb carry mps fuckup, if it werent for the lame ass konspiraci fakenews
20:16 kakobrekla no, it was 'fraudsters', which is still true to this day
20:16 davout http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-06#1043147 <<< for a very reasonable 13.37 btc fee
20:16 dulapbot Logged on 2021-07-06 15:54:42 punkman: I reread davout's blog, seemed like it was handled well
20:16 asciilifeform davout: doubling up the tx was so epically moronic that i still have hard time picturing that he had not done it deliberately
20:16 kakobrekla again aflie reading into stuff
20:17 davout http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-06#1043154 <<< why would it be a bad thing?
20:17 dulapbot Logged on 2021-07-06 15:58:58 kakobrekla: asciilifeform you framing sucks btw, "kako got out xxx btc"... how about "mp got out xxx btc" (plus the coins he decided to best keep instead of distribution to proper owners)
20:17 kakobrekla do you also turn the cup upside down when done with a cup of turkish coffee?
20:17 asciilifeform kakobrekla: lolno, proper divination calls for the rubbish to be still in the cup!!
20:17 kakobrekla davout i read it as he is framing it like "i used mp"
20:17 asciilifeform mno.
20:18 asciilifeform 'won from mp's pyramid-blitzkrieg, only objected when the tank rolled over him personally'
20:18 kakobrekla like "he was good as long as money was there, then ..." but really its "he was good until he went fucking crazy on my ass"
20:18 asciilifeform that he did
20:19 asciilifeform kakobrekla: oughta have seen mp circa '18-'19
20:19 kakobrekla well, i was in a position where i didnt have to eat shit, so i didnt
20:19 asciilifeform ( see also )
20:19 dulapbot Logged on 2021-06-29 14:43:53 asciilifeform: i'm still not 100% certain whether mp was always a scoundrel, or victim of substance abuse problem.
20:20 asciilifeform kakobrekla: fair'nuff
20:20 davout the guy fucked up, it's as simple as that. and afaik he usually owned up to it, so that episode came as a bit of a surprise to me
20:20 asciilifeform kakobrekla: i think can safely assume that you do not habitually read #a log, so will summarize, asciilifeform does not run 'temple of mp' -- not even with minus sign, interested in rather different subjs
20:21 asciilifeform remembered about him again when received a mail re him finally biting it (allegedly).
20:21 kakobrekla maybe its my conditioning from the times when you were under his spell then, if so, sorry, i can try better.
20:22 verisimilitude Everything I learn about mp makes me glad the first judgment I assigned him was correct.
20:22 asciilifeform kakobrekla: d00d croaked (supposing he in fact did) an unarguably frothing maniac (i've a torrent of his www up, as pill against 'fan club' sanitizing the mausoleum copy)
20:23 kakobrekla verisimilitude dud changed a lot, its like when in a progressively bad relationship, you tend to 'suffer' for longer than warranted, for i would assume obvious reasons
20:23 asciilifeform thing is, at that pt i already had not read him for 14-15 months.
20:23 kakobrekla but its one snowflake that breaks the branch.
20:26 asciilifeform kakobrekla: you missed a few choice 'dramas' (like the pair of d00dz who took asciilifeform's various worx, filed off serial #s , and went 'marketing' with slide deck fulla mp's face from various angles)
20:26 asciilifeform ... these emerged after asciilifeform already 'sacked'
20:27 kakobrekla so i guess we are not meeting up in timišvar to celebrate the death of führer with some plum schnapps?
20:27 kakobrekla idk, just checking
20:27 asciilifeform hell, i'd go
20:27 asciilifeform do they have working airports again in eureich yet?
20:27 davout i was actually thinking of setting something up
20:27 verisimilitude I saw a man wanting followers, and I wanted for no maste, kakobrekla.
20:28 davout would be a bit weird, but why the fuck not really
20:28 kakobrekla you can fly, with accompanying inconveniences changing day by day
20:28 davout the guy was a one-of-a-kind obviously, he did some epic shit
20:29 kakobrekla i just went on my first flight since shit hit the fan about 3wks ago
20:29 asciilifeform kakobrekla: have own plane yet ?
20:30 verisimilitude I'd be interested in meeting others here, to exchange public keys.
20:30 * davout is working on getting own plane
20:30 asciilifeform davout: nifty!
20:30 davout verisimilitude who are you again?
20:31 kakobrekla i dont have a house/apartment, and will likely sell car this year (made maybe 50-100km in last 12 months)
20:31 davout da62 for those interdasted
20:31 davout kakobrekla the 500 butts vw ?
20:32 kakobrekla no, that one i crashed and gave away for free to my friends sister, which she then fixed and is still operational, maybe should be put into a museum
20:32 asciilifeform davout: oh hm looks like if 'porsche' made 'cessnas'
20:32 verisimilitude I'm only here because I was interested by asciilifeform's work, davout.
20:32 verisimilitude Here's my website: http://verisimilitudes.net
20:32 davout kakobrekla i think it has a place next to the 2 10k pizzas
20:32 asciilifeform lol
20:32 kakobrekla i suppose
20:33 verisimilitude I'm in the WoT, also.
20:33 * asciilifeform suspects that virtually erryone who played w/ btc for any length of time -- has been protagonist of a '10k pizza' story
20:34 asciilifeform ... the only way to avoid it, is to only ever eat coin, and never shit
20:34 asciilifeform ( asciilifeform mostly succeeds in this )
20:34 davout verisimilitude "The prime advantage of Masturbation is easily controlling the initial memory layout." not bad
20:34 verisimilitude What's the shame in wasting money?
20:35 davout looking back i probably spent the equivalent of a few million euros on a few grams of marijuana
20:36 * asciilifeform tuned in late enuff that he hasn't any stories involving millions of any unit, sadly.
20:37 davout asciilifeform stfu you've been around long enough to not be excusable
20:39 asciilifeform davout: didn't want to use goxes. (or randos in alleys.) if passes as 'excuse' lol
20:39 dulapbot Logged on 2020-05-15 22:31:06 asciilifeform: i, for instance, mined at one pt a coin on a fpga. (before there were commercial systems for it on market, simply so happend that i was working w/ fpgas for other reasons)
20:41 asciilifeform ( same reason why didn't want to use mpex and so forth )
20:41 asciilifeform this allergy kept asciilifeform out of many glue traps, but also out of 'lottery wins' etc
20:41 shinohai asciilifeform may be the Bitcoin worlds oldest HODL'r
20:42 asciilifeform shinohai: doubtful, there's almost 3y of asciilifeform almost entirely ignoring subj
20:42 asciilifeform '09-most of '11
20:43 shinohai I feel ya tho, I hate parting with coin anymore than I have to.
20:43 davout "The answer instead is that, while the unknown inventor of Bitcoin was quite clever, most of its users are alarmingly dull." <<< you already understood most of the "crypto" space as early as 2012!
20:44 asciilifeform davout: may recall, that piece was written by request of mp et al, who had read asciilifeform's intro piece on subj and asked him to try demo
20:44 davout that's the piece i was quoting actually
20:44 asciilifeform ah davout already was quoting aha
20:44 * asciilifeform on toomany terminals lol
20:45 davout AKSHWALLY
20:45 asciilifeform lol did he just paste a launch coad?
20:46 davout re-reading stuff like that makes me think most of the interesting things about buttcoin have already been said
20:47 asciilifeform davout: when wrote it, hadn't even read the src yet! had not laughed in the real circus yet..
20:53 * asciilifeform must bbl
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21:23 mats yoko ono returns
21:23 mats wb old timers
21:31 kakobrekla hi there you spineless piece of shit
21:31 kakobrekla btw asciilifeform thanks to mats i found this, maybe it will jog your memor
21:31 kakobrekla y
21:31 kakobrekla http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2019-11-04#1001439
21:31 dulapbot Logged on 2019-11-04 19:00:47 asciilifeform: at any rate, i'm complicit in that warcrime -- saw kako as scumbag and said 0 .
21:31 kakobrekla http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2019-11-04#1001446
21:31 dulapbot Logged on 2019-11-04 19:05:42 asciilifeform: to my shame, mats, i hated kako 'ethnically' , i.e. saw him as unprincipled 'all about the coin' fella. rather like what i nao think of mp .
21:36 mats if you haven't heard yet, i was also robbed, and there was an extra 0 in my loss
21:37 mats i admit it was a dicey liquidation but my view hasnt fundamentally changed
21:37 kakobrekla what can i say, "you had it coming", right? // http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-06-02#1014112
21:37 dulapbot Logged on 2020-06-02 20:21:45 mats: kako had it coming, we've been over that
21:38 mats youre probably onto something
21:39 mats http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-06#1043030 << it was the hot core of btc finance in its time, i miss the cast and characters
21:39 dulapbot Logged on 2021-07-06 11:03:02 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-06#1042946 << outta curiosity, what do you miss ? the havelock & mpex spamola ? the 100+ folx trying to weasel btc outta one another ?
21:43 mats http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-06#1043035 << its just compliance and regulatory shifts, lol. btc eating institutions, after they waited many years to get in, is as far as ah can tell an unmitigated plus
21:43 dulapbot Logged on 2021-07-06 11:10:57 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-06#1042970 << if this is no longer so, is a sad thing : means that the enemy no longer fears it.
21:43 mats let them pay spot prices, who cares
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22:28 asciilifeform mats: depends who eats whom, doesn't it.
22:29 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-06#1043274 << arguably working w/ mp was its own punishment, like sniffing glue. ( asciilifeform at least did not lose substantial coin -- if largely because hadn't what, lol )
22:29 dulapbot Logged on 2021-07-06 17:38:06 mats: youre probably onto something
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23:23 verisimilitude http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-07-06#1043280 By that phrasing, I suppose Neptune won for now.
23:23 dulapbot Logged on 2021-07-06 18:28:29 asciilifeform: mats: depends who eats whom, doesn't it.
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