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00:58 thestringpuller lobbes: I wish Unity scaled. Like they started building Rust in unity in 2013, but now it's so tightly coupled to the engine it can't be moved out. There is another engine Facepunch made, but Rust likely won't ever be ported.
01:10 lobbes thestringpuller: otoh, if I get to the point where I have scaling problems I will be a happy man indeed
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01:30 asciilifeform meanwhile, upstack : turns out mp's www weighed only ~8G. approx. same as mine.
01:30 snsabot Logged on 2021-06-27 10:33:07 thimbronion: asciilifeform: do you have a conveniently shareable archive of trilema?
01:31 asciilifeform i'ma put tarball up, but not wwwistic crawlable dir until the original falls down (supposing ever does -- e.g. naggum's still up!), the corpse aint paying me to put up w/ the bandwidth load that hosting crawlable copy of that junkyard entails
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01:33 shinohai tyvm asciilifeform
01:33 * asciilifeform pictures the lenin mausoleum the chix are perhaps building
01:37 asciilifeform ook, thimbronion , shinohai , and whoever else wants : http://dulap.xyz/pub/mirrors/misc/trilema.com.tar.gz ; sha512:44b9e7137637bae71ba5cb5902b1c576642f2e88b0333d167d6b0ac294c5ef6a2107967c179dcc290c5724b72aa63b9e8f9507ea3a2900723a5a97ad1077f1ce .
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01:37 asciilifeform it is conceivable that something did not make it in there, tho the www was not in any obv. way boobytrapped or bw-throttled or any similar.
01:38 asciilifeform prolly if someone is troo archaeologist, oughta grab the thing w/ own hands while it remains grabbable.
01:38 asciilifeform (ftr my copy was made via 'wget -e robots=off -r --mirror --page-requisites --convert-links --span-hosts --domains trilema.com http://trilema.com' .)
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01:40 * asciilifeform thought of making a slimmer tarball w/out the kilometre of avi/jpg, but can't be arsed, and besides, 'из песни слова не выкинешь'(tm)
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03:00 lobbes ty asciilifeform. I've got a curl honed on it now, and will probably mirror on my own server once it downloads
03:07 thimbronion asciilifeform: downloading, ty.
03:11 shinohai http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-06-27#1041241 <<< Thank you, Comrade. I shall seize this and redistribute.
03:11 snsabot Logged on 2021-06-27 21:37:09 asciilifeform: ook, thimbronion , shinohai , and whoever else wants : http://dulap.xyz/pub/mirrors/misc/trilema.com.tar.gz ; sha512:44b9e7137637bae71ba5cb5902b1c576642f2e88b0333d167d6b0ac294c5ef6a2107967c179dcc290c5724b72aa63b9e8f9507ea3a2900723a5a97ad1077f1ce .
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12:49 PeterL http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-06-26#1040930 << I was reading IRC RFC , and it seems to say that triangles are not allowed. I don't really understand why?
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12:49 dulapbot Logged on 2021-06-26 20:11:44 asciilifeform: so, a net of 2 'ratboxen' superficially worx. but, we already knew this. now, can haz 3 ? and in triangle formation.
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13:34 web-701 herros
13:35 shinohai Greets
13:36 web-701 whaack had a q about my rsi experience, which is in the logs somewhere
13:37 web-701 talon voice is the ticket to continued productivity and symptom mgmt, http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-06-18#1014897
13:37 snsabot Logged on 2020-06-18 16:39:26 mats: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddFI63dgpaI
13:38 web-701 theres this setup page, not sure how current it is, https://talon.wiki/getting_started
13:41 web-701 talon's speech recognition precision has noticeably improved for me in the last year, i can reliably use it over a bluetooth mic without obvious increases in recognition error rates
13:42 web-701 buying a one handed keyboard to manage your rsi is probably one of the dumbest fucking things ive ever heard someone say theyve tried
13:42 web-701 and i know a guy who used a brick to bash the shit out of his wrist
13:44 web-701 depending on the affected hand, you might try different kinds of pointing devices , like a large trackpad surface (i have a magic trackpad), eyetracker like tobii 4c, stylus, vertical mice
13:48 web-701 with enough practice and liberal use of scripts, talon people have gotten to 60-80wpm, which is more than enough
13:49 web-701 and i suspect theres a bizness opportunity or two, through tight integrations with soft like cad photoshop lightroom
13:50 web-701 its kind of amazing how much market penetration dragon has, across many verticals, and their product is stuck in the late 90s
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14:07 asciilifeform lol mats (?), not bothering even to set nick anymoar?
14:14 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-06-28#1041250 << apparently there aint a cycle-finder, at least per rfc.
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14:14 dulapbot Logged on 2021-06-28 08:49:02 PeterL: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-06-26#1040930 << I was reading IRC RFC , and it seems to say that triangles are not allowed. I don't really understand why?
14:15 asciilifeform 'If a SERVER message is parsed and attempts to introduce a server which is already known to the receiving server, the connection from which that message must be closed (following the correct procedures), since a duplicate route to a server has formed and the acyclic nature of the IRC tree broken.
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14:15 asciilifeform '
14:16 * asciilifeform has been reading the src of 'ratbox', thinking 'so how does it deduplicate messages..?', answr is, 'doesn't'
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14:18 asciilifeform soo, unless we find an irctron that is somehow smarter than bare rfc gives (fat chance) this turns up the heat on 'replace irc'
14:19 asciilifeform i.e. w/ traditional irc, holes in the net have to be repaired ~manually, by reconfigging. which sux mightily.
14:19 PeterL Any time a server goes down you end up with a netsplit.
14:20 asciilifeform PeterL: aha.
14:20 asciilifeform seems we've a verdict: irc is inherently incatronic.
14:21 PeterL is this something that we could change about IRC?
14:21 asciilifeform it forces a tree-shaped graph.
14:25 asciilifeform PeterL: seems to me currently that the protocol per se is broken, and to fix it would break compatibility (such as it even existed) b/w irctrons. so effectively need new protocol.
14:27 asciilifeform we prolly ought to form the hand-to-hand chain for nao, it is still an improvement over 'errybody on dulap'. but this aint sustainable.
14:29 * asciilifeform will, it appears, have to dust off a certain barbaric prototype.
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14:54 gregorynyssa trinque: https://pastebin.com/raw/PbMkHTua
14:54 gregorynyssa trinque: here is a message for you.
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15:11 gregorynyssa asciilifeform: so IRC protocol requires network-graph to be undirected + acyclical. that explains a lot.
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15:11 gregorynyssa needless to say, this was to avoid the problem of deduplication.
15:12 gregorynyssa for small network such as ours, deduplication is not hard. simply retain hashes of last N messages, and do not route messages with same hash.
15:13 gregorynyssa however, standard IRC messages do not contain timestamp, so this has the consequence of disallowing a person to say
15:14 gregorynyssa the same thing twice or more within M seconds.
15:14 gregorynyssa that is a small price to pay IMO.
15:25 asciilifeform gregorynyssa: you do understand how this aint irc nomoar, but new protocol, right?
15:25 asciilifeform (i.e. you now need erryone to use a concrete $proggy)
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15:29 gregorynyssa asciilifeform: this is more of a soft fork, not a hard fork.
15:29 asciilifeform gregorynyssa: how so? i.e. can you use a standard ircd w/ such item ? (how?)
15:30 gregorynyssa clients will be unaffected, for one thing.
15:30 gregorynyssa also, within every cycle, only on IRCD will need the patch.
15:31 gregorynyssa that IRCD prevents that unpatched IRCDs from realizing that they are in a cycle.
15:31 gregorynyssa * the unpatched IRCDs
15:31 gregorynyssa * only one IRCD will need the patch
15:32 PeterL http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-06-28#1041290 << If you make the protocol straigforward enough, there could be multiple implementations?
15:32 dulapbot Logged on 2021-06-28 11:25:53 asciilifeform: (i.e. you now need erryone to use a concrete $proggy)
15:32 asciilifeform PeterL: in principle
15:34 asciilifeform gregorynyssa: elaborate statefulness sucks, there's gotta be a cleaner solution.
15:37 PeterL http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-06-28#1041280 << I am curious what the prototype is of?
15:37 dulapbot Logged on 2021-06-28 10:29:11 asciilifeform: will, it appears, have to dust off a certain barbaric prototype.
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15:58 asciilifeform meanwhile, http://trilema.com already fell down, lol
15:58 * asciilifeform did not expect so fast.
15:59 asciilifeform 'Error establishing a database connection'
16:00 asciilifeform i'ma let the troo fans host a live mirror if they want
16:00 dulapbot (agriculturalsupremacy) 2021-06-28 BingoBoingo: http://mvdstandard.net/2021/06/god-is-an-asshole-and-mircea-popescu-is-dead/
16:00 dulapbot Logged on 2021-06-27 21:31:59 asciilifeform: i'ma put tarball up, but not wwwistic crawlable dir until the original falls down (supposing ever does -- e.g. naggum's still up!), the corpse aint paying me to put up w/ the bandwidth load that hosting crawlable copy of that junkyard entails
16:00 dulapbot Logged on 2021-06-27 21:37:09 asciilifeform: ook, thimbronion , shinohai , and whoever else wants : http://dulap.xyz/pub/mirrors/misc/trilema.com.tar.gz ; sha512:44b9e7137637bae71ba5cb5902b1c576642f2e88b0333d167d6b0ac294c5ef6a2107967c179dcc290c5724b72aa63b9e8f9507ea3a2900723a5a97ad1077f1ce .
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17:27 verisimilitude By the by, asciilifeform, I'm currently reading more about uTP of BitTorrent; since it was questioned earlier, no it doesn't just use TCP.
17:28 asciilifeform verisimilitude: 'not just tcp' == 'uses tcp'
17:28 asciilifeform y'know, 'spoon of shit in barrel of wine'
17:28 verisimilitude It can use it.
17:28 asciilifeform verisimilitude: didja find a pure-udp variant of bt ?
17:28 verisimilitude Oh, TCP isn't an evil.
17:29 verisimilitude A client could only accept these UDP protocols.
17:29 asciilifeform pretty sure we went over why tcp is an evil
17:29 dulapbot Logged on 2020-08-30 22:32:36 asciilifeform: verisimilitude: tcp per se is a mindbogglingly-braindamaged abstraction that never has been and probably never could be implemented even half-sanely . which limits, to asciilifeform's pov, the appeal of the very idea of 'fixing' it.
17:30 verisimilitude If we're going to write of spoiling wine, then the entire Internet is bad, not just TCP.
17:31 asciilifeform verisimilitude: this is a fallacy. 'can't lift entire universe, therefore let's sit on our arses'
17:32 verisimilitude I'm not trying to use rhetoric.
17:33 verisimilitude Anyway, it seems BitTorrent can be exclusively UDP, if desired.
17:35 asciilifeform verisimilitude: can haz link to docs for this variant?
17:35 asciilifeform previously only encountered the traditional type (tcp for payload, udp for dht)
17:36 verisimilitude http://bittorrent.org/beps/bep_0029.html
17:36 asciilifeform verisimilitude: ty
17:39 asciilifeform might be interesting for other applications, but imho does not help us here -- congestion is simply not a concern for text chat, and the associated complexity is not an asset
17:40 verisimilitude Oh, this was just a followup of a previous discussion, not a suggestion.
17:40 * asciilifeform did not delve into the linked algo in detail, but on cursory look appears to reimplement a good chunk of tcp
17:40 asciilifeform verisimilitude: ah ok
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18:04 asciilifeform meanwhile, in fishwraps.
18:05 asciilifeform (tldr: endless repastes of that very same 1 paragraph thing from cr)
18:05 dulapbot Logged on 2021-06-27 00:14:06 web-54: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-06-26#1040936 <<< wasn't sure either though a quick search: https://www.teletica.com/sucesos/extranjero-de-41-anos-murio-ahogado-en-playa-hermosa-garabito_288345 , https://www.crhoy.com/nacionales/hombre-muere-ahogado-en-playa-hermosa ,
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18:25 whaack mats: thanks for the advice re voice recognition software. as i mentioned before to versi I would much prefer to avoid getting to the point where I have to use voice recognition. my main hobby is the guitar, which in that case would be completely out the window
18:25 whaack mats: if you have any records of how the problem developed, what the first symptoms were like, etc. that would help as well
18:29 shinohai whaack: made any recordings/videos yet? (re: guitar)
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18:45 whaack shinohai: atm just some practice recordings, but I'll upload a piece soon
18:46 * whaack is going to wait until UPS is turned off and its raining outside, etc.
18:47 shinohai sweet.
18:53 asciilifeform meanwhile, verisimilitude , signpost , possibly others : somebody baked gentoo for 'pinebook' supposedly. (not had chance to test)
18:54 asciilifeform seems like it would readily work w/ asciilifeform's rk-gentoo snapshot as base.
18:54 * asciilifeform would try, but has much moar pressing, sadly , items atm
18:58 whaack shinohai: i have a reddragon mouse, very happy w/ it and iirc i paid 30 or 40 bucks for it
18:59 shinohai whaack: neato! It's not bad equipment for chinesium. I've had kybd for almost 4 years now I think?
18:59 shinohai Not a single switch problem or faulty led.
19:07 verisimilitude Oh, how neat; perhaps I will just discard the Armbian I downloaded.
19:07 verisimilitude This will be my first gentoo.
19:08 signpost ah cool, ty asciilifeform
19:08 signpost only problem with pinebook is the entirely dogshit trackpad
19:08 * signpost uses minimally, but when has to, infuriating.
19:09 signpost seems like it is affected by CPU load, or some other source of lag
19:09 asciilifeform signpost: i suspect buggy fw in it.
19:09 asciilifeform not so important to asciilifeform , who uses 'ratpoison'
19:10 asciilifeform but defo annoying , esp. w/ the heathenlinux which came with that box
19:14 verisimilitude I only have one trackball, and it's usually attached to another machine.
19:15 verisimilitude I increased the sensitivity to make it bearable.
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20:42 asciilifeform meanwhile, 100+ moochers leeched/leeching mp tarball. motherfuckers, wtf, put up own mirror.
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20:42 dulapbot Logged on 2021-06-27 21:37:09 asciilifeform: ook, thimbronion , shinohai , and whoever else wants : http://dulap.xyz/pub/mirrors/misc/trilema.com.tar.gz ; sha512:44b9e7137637bae71ba5cb5902b1c576642f2e88b0333d167d6b0ac294c5ef6a2107967c179dcc290c5724b72aa63b9e8f9507ea3a2900723a5a97ad1077f1ce .
20:44 * asciilifeform didn't sign up to run mausoleum for phree
20:55 thimbronion asciilifeform: I'm still downloading -> going direct to CR so a bit slow.
20:55 asciilifeform thimbronion: was gonna bake a torrent eventually, but did not anticipate the original box drowning so quickly
21:04 asciilifeform in misc lulz: turns out that one casualty of the fleanodocalypse was the lock on #trilema. (not that, imho, there's anything left to be said there. unless someone wants to post a tombstone.)
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21:05 thimbronion His passing received quite a lot of attention on twatter.
21:06 asciilifeform thimbronion: odd that only now.
21:07 * asciilifeform expected that he was ~dead last to find out
21:07 * thimbronion likely broke the story on that platform.
21:07 asciilifeform aa.
21:08 * asciilifeform couldn't muster half a fuck to give re what happens on twatter on any subj whatsoever, before -- and not now either
21:11 thimbronion seems like interesting stuff happens there occasionally. Bukele has been announcing news re: the Bitcoin legal tender developments in El Salvador, for instance.
21:12 asciilifeform thimbronion: can you tell me roughly why anyone outside of el salv. oughta care ?
21:12 asciilifeform it aint as if e.g. asciilifeform can go there, sell a coin, then move untaxed usd back home
21:12 asciilifeform (aside from 'in arse')
21:12 asciilifeform what's it do, exactly, this 'declared legal tender'
21:13 thimbronion asciilifeform: I dunno DC vs. El Salvador - which has more Salvadorenos, not sure.
21:13 asciilifeform perhaps similar
21:14 thimbronion mandated to be accepted by all vendors.
21:14 asciilifeform but i do wonder, what's the practical effect: so, maybe asciilifeform can go to el s., and buy all the bananas he wants w/ btc. fat lotta good..
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21:14 asciilifeform seems imho like cheap signalling.
21:14 thimbronion I'm having ES checked out to see if it's livable. Will post details.
21:15 asciilifeform perhaps if you've enuff coin, mars also livable.
21:17 thimbronion In terms of what's in it for ES - seems to be just a cheaper way to suck in remittances.
21:17 asciilifeform likely
21:18 thimbronion For me - I've come to prefer central american living.
21:18 thimbronion Losing the infrastructure advantages the US has on what seems like a monthly basis.
21:19 thimbronion Also, more and more the CA rifraff are being sent north, releaving the pressure down there.
21:19 thimbronion *relieving
21:20 asciilifeform thimbronion: yer in cr currently?
21:20 thimbronion Nah been back stateside for a week.
21:20 asciilifeform (i seem to recall you had difficulty perma-relocating)
21:21 asciilifeform a
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