#asciilifeform | 2021-06-14

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bonechewer: thanks. I'll give the vitamin b-6 a try, and I'll consider dropping the $$ for the kinesis, I tried a ergodox keyboard before but did not like it (couldn't get over the learning curve, also I detested that keys changed function based on how long you pressed them for, maybe I could have configured away the problem but never got around to it)

~ 15 hours 36 minutes ~

15:37

whaack

asciilifeform: Would you like me to put my bot (named trbexplorer) in your chan?

~ 20 minutes ~

15:57

whaack

asciilifeform: also re the common trb delays of which an example occured yesterday, is there any use in creating a dummy "dumpster diver" node that aggressively reads from the prb world and feeds trb clean blox?

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00:00	whaack	bonechewer: thanks. I'll give the vitamin b-6 a try, and I'll consider dropping the $$ for the kinesis, I tried a ergodox keyboard before but did not like it (couldn't get over the learning curve, also I detested that keys changed function based on how long you pressed them for, maybe I could have configured away the problem but never got around to it)
		~ 15 hours 36 minutes ~
15:37	whaack	asciilifeform: Would you like me to put my bot (named trbexplorer) in your chan?
		~ 20 minutes ~
15:57	whaack	asciilifeform: also re the common trb delays of which an example occured yesterday, is there any use in creating a dummy "dumpster diver" node that aggressively reads from the prb world and feeds trb clean blox?
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16:10	asciilifeform	whaack: put bot here, why not. plz describe how to use, tho (or did i miss a link to src?)
16:12	whaack	asciilifeform: I still have to writeup a use guide and clean up the code before publishing the source with a vpatch.
16:13	asciilifeform	http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-06-14#1039138 << for so long as newly-mined blox continue to reach trb net 'organically' (and they do, if w/ the occasional hiccup) i've not taken any interest in improving interoperability w/ prb. (for one thing, there's a mind-boggling firehose of outright liquishit that hits you as soon as disable 'malleus' -- from 0 of which are
16:13	snsabot	Logged on 2021-06-14 11:54:42 whaack: asciilifeform: also re the common trb delays of which an example occured yesterday, is there any use in creating a dummy "dumpster diver" node that aggressively reads from the prb world and feeds trb clean blox?
16:13	asciilifeform	extractable genuine blox , try it some time)
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17:53	asciilifeform	http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-06-13#1039128 << welcome to #a, bonechewer. (consider staying logged in...)
17:53	snsabot	Logged on 2021-06-13 18:05:47 bonechewer: I am a long time reader of loper-os, see e.g. http://www.loper-os.org/?p=3706&cpage=1#comment-19893
17:54	asciilifeform	http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-06-13#1039129 << asciilifeform is actually half-convinced that 'rsi' disease comes from the use of non-spring keyboards.
17:54	snsabot	Logged on 2021-06-13 18:05:59 bonechewer: I had the symptoms whaack describes (numb/painful ring finger and little finger) after starting a full-time developer job in 1997 (!).
17:55	whaack	asciilifeform: why would that be?
17:55	asciilifeform	consider, pressing non-clicking keys (with short, often enuff, travel distance) is rather like smashing yer fingers against a brick. repeatedly, all day, for years, decades.
17:55	asciilifeform	whaack: the click is a tactile 'stop'. (while the spring effectively absorbs energy)
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17:55	asciilifeform	i've yet to (afaik) meet a suffer of rsiism who contracted it on clicking kbds.
17:56	whaack	asciilifeform: this is a good point.
17:56	asciilifeform	this of course is merely asciilifeform's observation, with own eyes. but 100% to date.
17:58	asciilifeform	( there are other factors i know of, mainly the use of emacs with default settings )
17:58	snsabot	(trilema) 2018-06-19 asciilifeform: as repeatedly pointed out by e.g. naggum, the defaults pre-date pc kbd and are ~guaranteed to give you carpal disease
17:58	asciilifeform	( oblig naggum )
17:58	snsabot	(trilema) 2014-09-22 asciilifeform: switching caps lock and ctrl << 'Emacs actually comes with a builting Emacs Aptitude Test. Do you remap your keyboard or the Emacs keybindings before the chords and sequences it comes with by default have wreaked havoc with your hands? If you do not do anything to make Emacs more convenient for yourself, you may not have the prerequisite aptitude to use it productive.' (naggum, who else. http://www.xach.com/na
17:59	whaack	asciilifeform: right, i let myself get to the point of mild suffering. perhaps it's already too late, but at least now i've switched ctrl with caps lock
18:00	whaack	suffering is an exaggeration, but it's clear that there is a big problem on the horizon
18:00	asciilifeform	afaik it's never entirely too late, simply that the radical cure (i.e. keep hands entirely off kbd for a yr or 2) is not affordable to most sufferers
18:06	asciilifeform	whaack: wrist destruction, i suspect, comes from even more radically human-hostile computing, specifically laptopisms
18:06	asciilifeform	(on decent stationary workstation, there oughta be ~0 wrist tension no matter how strenuous the kbding)
18:16	whaack	asciilifeform: right, I don't use a laptop setup for any extended period of time. There's a fundamental problem with a screen connected to a keyboard. Your neck has to be bent down to view the screen if you have the keyboard at the proper level for your wrists.
18:16	whaack	not to mention that all the keys are crammed together
18:19	asciilifeform	aaha, take yer pick b/w carpalrot & hunchback
18:24	whaack	ahaha precisely
18:28	*	trinque_ stretches back, flexes wrists, emits cacophony of crackles
		~ 52 minutes ~
19:20	verisimilitude	To add another detail, I've noticed the Emacs chords I used oh so much are entirely useless when my right hand is on a trackball, allowing me to click instead.
		~ 2 hours 3 minutes ~