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09:55 trinque https://p.haavard.me/407 << lol, fleanode continues to rot.
10:03 trinque https://archive.is/JFYL4 << meanwhile in shitcoin lulz
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10:32 shinohai lmao @ freenode update trinque
10:34 shinohai re: tether, not surprising from creators of the original petrodollar
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11:31 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-05-13#1036249 << if about this piece -- read. my apologies, verisimilitude , forgot that you were waiting for specific signal.
11:31 snsabot Logged on 2021-05-13 17:03:18 verisimilitude: On that note, it's been a week since I last mentioned our future conversation, asciilifeform; I'm not being impatient, and had considered mentioning I'd mention it again in one week, but thought that unnecessary, then.
11:32 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-05-13#1036238 << it's asciilifeform's starting point. but can only speak for self. and would not undertake to 'convince china', lol, why not 1st convince a few earthlings.
11:32 snsabot Logged on 2021-05-13 15:33:25 gregorynyssa: no reason why the restoration of 70s/80s cannot be our starting point.
11:34 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-05-13#1036239 << may not be obvious, but v is a far more radical declaration of cultural war than 1st appears. it is deliberately ~unusable for 'army of interchangeable devs' style of work which pervades software culture since end of '70s
11:34 snsabot Logged on 2021-05-13 15:40:44 gregorynyssa: V essentially fits within the late 1980s environment. it represents a road which was not taken at the time.
11:34 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-05-13#1036242 << the dark truth: he's STILL be half-done, if had attempted this.
11:34 snsabot Logged on 2021-05-13 15:52:22 gregorynyssa: imagine Linus Torvalds in 1991 embarking on a kernel with quasi-Ada rigorousness, w/ design-by-contract drivers backed by Hoare Logic.
11:35 asciilifeform this, fwiw, is why.
11:37 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-05-13#1036247 << even then, imho would be a++ to have example of 100% working ircism in commonlisp published.
11:37 snsabot Logged on 2021-05-13 15:53:22 trinque: that said I've got no intent to maintain it, so highly recommend asciilifeform's bot
11:39 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-05-13#1036257 << comes from 2 separate places -- the hypertrophied urgency of commercial/huckster world; and the extreme poverty of the hobbyist, who 'must crank something out this weekend, might not get to for another month' etc
11:39 snsabot Logged on 2021-05-13 20:24:28 trinque: the "worse is better" meme comes out of the american shortsighted addiction to "next quarter's results"
11:40 asciilifeform (and arguably from third place -- the combined effects of the two above on the raw materials from which any subsequent project must work. 'all i have is this duct tape, why worry about quality'
11:40 asciilifeform )
11:40 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-05-13#1036260 << aaha. there we go.
11:40 snsabot Logged on 2021-05-13 20:29:52 trinque: the former for obvious reasons, the latter because they're cramming the development into what free time they have
11:41 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-05-13#1036261 << when read 'lions' commentary on unix 6th ed.', formed distinct impression that ~100% of the initial appeal of the thing was 'fits in head'.
11:41 snsabot Logged on 2021-05-13 21:18:04 verisimilitude: UNIX was created by some who worked on Multics, and even then in Bell Labs; it seems more like an accident to me.
11:42 asciilifeform subj, for the innocent.
11:42 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-05-14#1036262 << iirc this aint even the 1st time the thing was bought&sold b/w hucksters
11:42 snsabot Logged on 2021-05-14 09:55:19 trinque: https://p.haavard.me/407 << lol, fleanode continues to rot.
11:49 superkuh Huh. Well, I can't connect to irc.libera.chat. It keeps telling me my password (none supplied) is wrong.
11:49 * asciilifeform not tried.
11:54 asciilifeform $ticker btc usd
11:54 btcinfobot Current BTC price in USD: $51324.32
11:55 asciilifeform !w poll
11:55 watchglass Polling 16 nodes...
11:55 watchglass 84.16.46.130:8333 : Could not connect!
11:55 watchglass 185.163.46.29:8333 : Could not connect!
11:55 watchglass 205.134.172.6:8333 : (172-6.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.060s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=683594
11:55 watchglass 205.134.172.26:8333 : Alive: (0.142s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=683363
11:55 watchglass 205.134.172.4:8333 : (172-4.core.ai.net) Alive: (0.116s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=683594
11:55 watchglass 108.31.170.100:8333 : (pool-108-31-170-100.washdc.fios.verizon.net) Alive: (0.100s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=683594 (Operator: asciilifeform)
11:55 watchglass 54.39.156.171:8333 : (ns562940.ip-54-39-156.net) Alive: (0.173s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=683594
11:55 watchglass 192.151.158.26:8333 : Alive: (0.150s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=683594
11:55 watchglass 205.134.172.28:8333 : Alive: (0.083s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr=0.0.0.0:8333 Blocks=683528 (Operator: whaack)
11:55 watchglass 143.202.160.10:8333 : Alive: (0.219s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=683594
11:55 watchglass 208.94.240.42:8333 : Alive: (0.237s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=683594
11:55 watchglass 176.9.59.199:8333 : (static.199.59.9.176.clients.your-server.de) Alive: (0.229s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=412049 (Operator: jurov)
11:55 watchglass 213.109.238.156:8333 : Alive: (0.279s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=683594
11:56 watchglass 24.28.108.235:8333 : Violated BTC Protocol: Bad header length! (Operator: trinque)
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12:19 verisimilitude http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-05-14#1036266 It's no issue. What were the thoughts on it; were there any glaring issues I'd seemed to overlook; I'd enjoy discussing it.
12:19 snsabot Logged on 2021-05-14 11:31:15 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-05-13#1036249 << if about this piece -- read. my apologies, verisimilitude , forgot that you were waiting for specific signal.
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12:59 shinohai In Krabby Krebs takes credit for the work of imbeciles news: https://archive.ph/autJz
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13:17 verisimilitude How poor; I can't even access these archive links through my rented server, I suppose because any WWW browser not from Mozilla, Google, or Microsoft is considered too suspicious to allow to view a cached page.
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14:10 asciilifeform verisimilitude: try as i might, i can't see the appeal of the described method. it resembles the horror the chinese have to live with, their hieroglyphic encoding. (and for them still easier than would be for eurolangs, where more complicated morphology, declension exists, etc)
14:12 asciilifeform must also add, to date, efforts to standardize (even for non-mechanical purposes) human langs have abysmally failed.
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14:36 verisimilitude Oh, so even the domain-specific compression scheme angle be unappealing, then?
14:38 verisimilitude I thought we'd agree on sentences such as these: ``The mathematicians can truly create notation that suits its context. The programmers cannot.''
14:39 verisimilitude Elision is what I'd like to base more work on; human text shouldn't remain compatible with teletypes.
14:41 verisimilitude As for the Chinese comparison, my system has an escape hatch as its required second layer. While I'm aware Chinese companies create their own characters, they likely must represent them as images.
14:43 verisimilitude It may be the case that my work with this will only amount to anything for any dead languages I target, such as Latin, but I'm still going to try.
14:43 verisimilitude It's part of my fundamental belief that programming and human language should be seperate.
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15:09 asciilifeform verisimilitude: how does 'need standardized dictionary' necessarily follow from 'can create notation that suits context' ?
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15:53 verisimilitude It doesn't; that's an unacceptable issue with what currently passes for text, however.
15:54 verisimilitude I suppose discussing the article at-length necessarily conflates issues with the current system and my proposed solution.
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19:20 gregorynyssa http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-05-14#1036272 << right... because of lack of military-level budget...
19:20 snsabot Logged on 2021-05-14 11:34:42 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-05-13#1036242 << the dark truth: he's STILL be half-done, if had attempted this.
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20:18 asciilifeform gregorynyssa: it doesn't take 'military budget'. in fact imho is wholly impossible w/ moar than 3 (or near) people involved in any direct capacity.
20:18 asciilifeform gregorynyssa: however DOES require that yer time is 100% your own.
20:20 asciilifeform ( see also. )
20:20 snsabot Logged on 2020-05-20 17:32:04 asciilifeform: most of the time spent on it, was for loading $piece back into head ea. time.
20:21 asciilifeform ( and e.g. elsewhere. )
20:21 snsabot (trilema) 2019-10-08 asciilifeform: lobbes: speaking strictly for self -- 'quick' jobs are quick because they (incl. 'fit problem in head' phase) can be fit into a single slot in b/w salt mine idjicies. whereas things large enuff as not fit, much moar friction. (erry time must load it in... again, again, ... )
20:34 verisimilitude Split the problem into discrete parts and finish it piecewise.
20:35 asciilifeform verisimilitude: not errything splits as you'd want it to.
20:35 asciilifeform 'get to the moon by stacking chairs'(tm)(r)
20:41 verisimilitude No, but get to the moon by raising scientists beforehand.
20:43 verisimilitude Perhaps I just have a larger head to fit my work into. I'm fairly certain I've been told I have a big head at least once before.
20:44 asciilifeform verisimilitude: iirc you don't have to contend with working for a living, either.
20:45 verisimilitude I've not disclosed what I do for a living.
20:45 verisimilitude To clarify, asciilifeform, my second sentence was a joke.
20:46 * asciilifeform must bbl
20:46 verisimilitude Be well.
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