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02:00 thestringpuller ruby is the most exhausting language i know
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14:21 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-05-01#1034946 << bush, rockefeller, etc. dynasties afaik best-known examples. the rest -- 'don't know, they'd have had to kill me if i did'
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14:21 snsabot Logged on 2021-05-01 12:46:30 gregorynyssa: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-03-02#1032666 << any evidence of this? I was researching a similar subject, so I find this fascinating.
14:22 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-05-01#1034951 << supposing one buys into this cosmography -- arguably that fight already took place. guess who lost.
14:22 snsabot Logged on 2021-05-01 12:55:47 gregorynyssa: as "Neo Saxons" they deserve the right, like every other ethnicity, to fight for their survival and collective interests, etc.
14:23 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-05-01#1034952 << and hindus had the numeric majority in british india; polacks in ww2 poland; etc. doesn't make a lick of diff.
14:23 snsabot Logged on 2021-05-01 13:00:48 gregorynyssa: unlike the Boers, the "Neo Saxons" of America still have the plurality/majority of population, and, in many states, clear majority.
14:27 asciilifeform ... and not only are these 'boers' not represented 'where it counts', but happily enlist as polizei, to fight against their fellows.
14:27 snsabot (trilema) 2015-09-03 ascii_field: they happily send their sons to army so they can 'die for a fat bitch's right to marry her dog'
14:31 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-05-01#1034965 << lolwat? am i simply not on the correct drugs, to see from this pov, where 'stronger' ? what'd that even look like, considering that we're talking about vacillating 'sausage dissidents' who mutually agree on ~nothing at all ?
14:31 snsabot Logged on 2021-05-01 14:59:06 gregorynyssa: do you think Alt Right is dying? I think it is getting stronger.
14:33 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-05-01#1034974 << tried to have reichstag fire, but no one could find a match that'd light..?
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14:33 snsabot Logged on 2021-05-01 15:29:32 trinque: gregorynyssa: taking the capitol riots as an example, that's evidence, if anything, of the severe decline of the US, not the strength of anything else.
14:35 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-05-01#1034976 << worse; the popular pov seems to be 'doing? that's a 20th c thing, these days only need good pr'
14:35 snsabot Logged on 2021-05-01 15:33:00 trinque: strikes me as the armchair hopes that someone else, somewhere, is doing something, rather than oneself.
14:38 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-05-01#1034985 << pliant plebes -- obsessed. the puppet masters who engineered this zombification scheme -- cackle.
14:38 snsabot Logged on 2021-05-01 15:54:08 shinohai: Re: this thread, I personally think nation that is obsessed with race/gender identity et all is sure sign of empire in sharp decline.
14:38 snsabot Logged on 2021-04-22 14:00:13 asciilifeform: 'let'em fight an imaginary race war in forum comments, maybe won't notice their savings evaporating' etc
14:41 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-05-01#1034992 << rich ameri-tradition of demagogues raking in the book royalties, chump donations, as they laff all the way to the bank while their 'parishioners' clubbed by capitol police, od on meth in despair, etc
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14:41 snsabot Logged on 2021-05-01 15:58:17 gregorynyssa: So has Vox Day, Richard Spencer, Jordan Peterson.
14:41 shinohai But I got an iron cross badge in my forum profile for services to the Reich....
14:42 asciilifeform ...with oak leaves!1!
14:42 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-05-01#1034998 << gone how ? will be replaced with ~identical-looking heirs, as they always are.
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14:42 snsabot Logged on 2021-05-01 16:01:18 gregorynyssa: but in another decade, they will be gone.
14:44 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-05-01#1035001 << lol!! canhaz moar detail ? ( asciilifeform doesn't follow the 'resistance through culture' types in realtime)
14:44 snsabot Logged on 2021-05-01 16:03:04 trinque: take peterson, almost killed himself with anxiety meds.
14:46 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-05-01#1035006 << entirely christian (of the puritan flavour). simply, 'snake shed his legs', jettisonned all the superfluous bits. 'poenitentiam agite' coming outta erry pore, but w/out the posthumous redemptions, trinities, etc.
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14:46 snsabot Logged on 2021-05-01 16:05:16 gregorynyssa: I think it is worth noting that SJW thought is itself based on a body of assumptions which are not quite Christian, and not quite Atheist.
14:47 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-05-01#1035017 << it's a sham-squared, no such 'return' is taking place, even in redditard-fantasy variant
14:47 snsabot Logged on 2021-05-01 16:09:02 trinque: the alt-right return to "traditional thought" - as they perceive it - is itself cargo-cultism for w/e made grandfather less afraid than grandson
14:48 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-05-01#1035022 << mno, more typically 'hey i read 2 or 3 of yarvin's carlyle blockquotes'
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14:48 snsabot Logged on 2021-05-01 16:12:09 gregorynyssa: I noticed a distrubing trend that when people say they value "Western traditional thought" without qualification, they basically just mean that they are huge fans of Thomas Carlyle.
14:49 asciilifeform next time you see 1 of these folx, ask him to name just 1 pre-ww2 b00k he had read cover to cover in recent month. listen to 'sound of silence'
14:51 shinohai asciilifeform: If you ask that, they might start naming off Dr. Seuss ......
14:51 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-05-01#1035027 << if one 'suspended disbelief' and think this is 'fixable bug' -- 1st step is to realize that it won't be fixed by monolingual shaved monkeys
14:51 snsabot Logged on 2021-05-01 16:15:49 gregorynyssa: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-05-01#1035023 << Carroll Quigley and Oswald Spengler both argued that Western civilization excludes Classical. it started with the Dark Ages, and merely appropriated Classical elements on a superficial level.
14:52 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-05-01#1035041 << maybe try dpb ?
14:52 snsabot Logged on 2021-05-01 16:25:38 trinque: I would like to meet the person for whom YHWH has not fallen silent.
14:53 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-05-01#1035038 << it's a beautiful crackpottery, but i'm not aware of anything resembling objective evidence in its favour
14:53 snsabot Logged on 2021-05-01 16:24:52 trinque: proponent of the bicameral hypothesis of mind. for the purposes of this thread, I'm only interested in making reference to there being evidence of mental operating systems preceding atomic ego-self
14:53 * asciilifeform read, like erryone else, 'snow crash'. enjoyed. but it's a work of fiction..
14:54 trinque good afternoon asciilifeform
14:54 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-05-01#1035054 << sham, capital controlled-left.
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14:54 snsabot Logged on 2021-05-01 16:39:03 gregorynyssa: now, 1960s - leftward swing of Hippie movement is IMO just tip of iceberg.
14:54 asciilifeform wb trinque !
14:54 trinque arguably the heidegger I reference is the better source of the notion
14:55 asciilifeform trinque: funnily enuff, a current client recently mailed me a crate of bicameralism-themed b00kz. haven't received yet, but will read.
14:56 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-05-01#1035057 << organized sabotage of entire ~concept~ of thinking. ( that is, in the 'civilized world'. but echoed even in orcistan. )
14:56 snsabot Logged on 2021-05-01 16:40:24 gregorynyssa: Carroll Quigley and Leonard Shlain both support the idea that around 1960s there were fundamental changes in way of thinking.
14:59 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-05-01#1035071 << atomization is #1 priority of the lizards. atomized 'individualists' will borrow at 33% from bank, instead of 0% from uncle; will summon gestapo instead of resolving differences inside group; will swallow whatever suicidal nonsense is served up by $goebbels
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15:00 asciilifeform grr, that regex bug. link ftr.
15:00 snsabot Logged on 2021-05-01 16:51:39 trinque: this trend continues to the atomization of today
15:00 trinque I don't buy Jaynes' "too beautiful" hypothesis, just the evidence he provides is interesting by itself.
15:00 asciilifeform trinque: aha, it certainly merits a spot in my 'crackpotteries collection' cabinet.
15:00 verisimilitude I find trannies the most atomized today.
15:00 trinque what one can't verbalize one can't know, including oneself
15:01 asciilifeform verisimilitude: artifically crafted dependence-chimeras.
15:01 trinque I suspect microplastics aren't helping.
15:01 trinque testosterone is plummeting to the degree that it may impact fertility soon
15:01 verisimilitude This is why governmental and corporate bodies support them; they get loyalty from these alienated people.
15:02 asciilifeform trinque: i suspect natural variation + ideological contagion (see below...) may suffice to account
15:02 asciilifeform trinque: in ru, we had a castration cult that resisted extermination for ~400+yrs
15:02 trinque yeah, many things conspire to produce human behavior in all cases
15:02 verisimilitude Some call them trannisaries now.
15:02 asciilifeform at first 'send'em to monasteries' -- infected monasteries. 'send'em to army' -- infected army..
15:03 trinque "life uh, finds a way" to remove men from the game.
15:04 asciilifeform trinque: imho moar interesting. the skoptzy (folx in question; old slavic term for autocastrators) were following an internally consistent, if undocumented, logic
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15:04 verisimilitude http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-05-01#1035041 Terry Davis died.
15:04 snsabot Logged on 2021-05-01 16:25:38 trinque: I would like to meet the person for whom YHWH has not fallen silent.
15:04 asciilifeform losing yer balls at the time got you out of all kinds of -ev games
15:05 trinque aaa this makes sense
15:05 asciilifeform it was sumthing like what 'self-choppers' in the gulag (dynamite in yer boot, bang, no longer have to fell trees or mine uranium)
15:06 asciilifeform a kind of 'suicide-lite'
15:06 trinque this fits well with the above thread. these have broken models of self
15:06 trinque aha
15:06 trinque preserving what incomplete self they can model
15:07 trinque verisimilitude: tbh I would accept terry davis as exactly a "real believer"
15:07 trinque heard the voice of god as real as any saint
15:08 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-05-01#1035075 << will read, verisimilitude .
15:08 snsabot Logged on 2021-05-01 19:03:36 verisimilitude: I discuss it in the final paragraph here.
15:09 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-05-01#1035076 << sadly have used many more exhausting -- and for far less gain -- atrocities. but would prefer not to ruin appetite of readers..
15:09 snsabot Logged on 2021-05-01 23:27:58 verisimilitude: Ada is the most exhausting programming language I know.
15:10 verisimilitude Ada is the most exhausting, because it requires the most thought of me.
15:10 verisimilitude It exposes where I've given insufficient thought, as it did yesterday.
15:11 asciilifeform verisimilitude: that's the good kind of exhausting.
15:11 asciilifeform the effort, imho, aint wasted, even if you end up throwing the proggy away.
15:12 verisimilitude I agree, and the Ada versions of my programs, so far just SHA, are the best.
15:12 asciilifeform verisimilitude: often enuff you will find that properly grasping what yer doing (as ada encourages) leads you to realize that you were solving entirely wrong problem to begin with.
15:13 verisimilitude Still, Ada and all others represent a model I yearn to move beyond.
15:14 verisimilitude I've plenty of discarded Ada code, yes.
15:14 asciilifeform verisimilitude: if you read asciilifeform's adaisms will find that asciilifeform's variant of 'move beyond' was rather 'in' than 'out'. i.e. 'the better ada is a strict subset of standard one'
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15:14 verisimilitude I mean to move beyond programming languages, asciilifeform.
15:15 asciilifeform verisimilitude: many possible meanings here. elaborate?
15:15 verisimilitude My machine code tool was just an early step towards this.
15:16 verisimilitude I don't want to program using character streams.
15:16 asciilifeform a
15:22 * asciilifeform bbl:meat
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18:18 gregorynyssa http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-05-02#1035078 << Bush Jr distanced himself from his New England heritage, identified with the South, and converted to Southern-centric denomination. Jeb Bush married a Hispanic Catholic.
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18:18 snsabot Logged on 2021-05-02 14:21:16 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-05-01#1034946 << bush, rockefeller, etc. dynasties afaik best-known examples. the rest -- 'don't know, they'd have had to kill me if i did'
18:19 gregorynyssa not saying you are wrong. wealth + influence are indeed being passed down. but in this case, the Yankee (ie. WASP) heritage is not.
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18:20 gregorynyssa http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-05-02#1035099 << I don't think so, becaused "SJW thought is itself based on a body of assumptions which are not quite Christian, and not quite Atheist."
18:20 snsabot Logged on 2021-05-02 14:42:43 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-05-01#1034998 << gone how ? will be replaced with ~identical-looking heirs, as they always are.
18:21 gregorynyssa http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-05-02#1035107 << that is a funny way to put it =')
18:21 snsabot Logged on 2021-05-02 14:48:19 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-05-01#1035022 << mno, more typically 'hey i read 2 or 3 of yarvin's carlyle blockquotes'
18:23 gregorynyssa http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-05-02#1035119 << I agree. the student movement had handlers sent by the wealthy.
18:23 snsabot Logged on 2021-05-02 14:54:45 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-05-01#1035054 << sham, capital controlled-left.
18:23 gregorynyssa http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-05-02#1035126 << I very much agree.
18:23 snsabot Logged on 2021-05-02 14:59:24 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-05-01#1035071 << atomization is #1 priority of the lizards. atomized 'individualists' will borrow at 33% from bank, instead of 0% from uncle; will summon gestapo instead of resolving differences inside group; will swallow whatever suicidal nonsense is served up by $goebbels
18:25 gregorynyssa http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-05-02#1035174 << what sparked my curiosity was your suggestion (maybe I misinterpreted) that there might be a secret community of very pure Yankees at the top of society.
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18:25 snsabot Logged on 2021-05-02 18:18:42 gregorynyssa: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-05-02#1035078 << Bush Jr distanced himself from his New England heritage, identified with the South, and converted to Southern-centric denomination. Jeb Bush married a Hispanic Catholic.
18:27 gregorynyssa given lack of Yankees on Supreme Court and other visible positions of authority (incl. academia) the possibility of this pure Yankee community secretly existing would be entertaining.
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18:28 thimbronion Supreme court has abdicated afaics.
18:29 gregorynyssa http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-05-02#1035103 << that is Yarvin's narrative, but it has many holes.
18:29 snsabot Logged on 2021-05-02 14:46:13 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2021-05-01#1035006 << entirely christian (of the puritan flavour). simply, 'snake shed his legs', jettisonned all the superfluous bits. 'poenitentiam agite' coming outta erry pore, but w/out the posthumous redemptions, trinities, etc.
18:30 gregorynyssa he gets his religious history wrong in many places, such as his reference to the Munster Rebellion, and confusion of Quakerism with Mainline Protestantism.
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18:39 gregorynyssa Puritans were morally conservative. opposed contraception, etc. they accepted differences in wealth and ability.
18:41 gregorynyssa they believed in mind/body separation, unlike Hippies with their psychedelics and flirtation with Buddhism/Hinduism.
18:41 gregorynyssa they engaged in the shaming of adulterers. they burned witches.
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18:43 gregorynyssa they believed in Creationism. they would abhor modern psychology/psychiatry b/c of its Behavioralist and Darwinist underpinnings.
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18:44 gregorynyssa when you subtract all of these "superfluous bits" what is left?
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