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00:49 feedbot http://verisimilitudes.net/2020-12-29 << A Syndication of Verisimilitudes -- Reading as Compilation
~ 4 hours 6 minutes ~
04:55 * adlai name-drops 'paredit.el', re:ast editing; tl;dr: an emacs mode that remaps various a few commands to always retain structure, adds a few for juggling the conses, and gets unignorably sad whenever you have forcibly broken its invariants
~ 6 hours 39 minutes ~
11:35 asciilifeform $ticker btc usd
11:35 btcinfobot Current BTC price in USD: $28153.82
11:35 asciilifeform !w poll
11:35 watchglass Polling 15 nodes...
11:35 watchglass 205.134.172.26:8333 : Could not connect!
11:35 watchglass 205.134.172.28:8333 : Could not connect! (Operator: whaack)
11:35 watchglass 205.134.172.4:8333 : Could not connect!
11:35 watchglass 205.134.172.6:8333 : Could not connect!
11:35 watchglass 54.39.156.171:8333 : (ns562940.ip-54-39-156.net) Alive: (0.099s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=663704
11:35 watchglass 71.114.46.209:8333 : (pool-71-114-46-209.washdc.fios.verizon.net) Alive: (0.138s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=663704 (Operator: asciilifeform)
11:35 watchglass 208.94.240.42:8333 : Alive: (0.097s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=663700
11:35 watchglass 192.151.158.26:8333 : Alive: (0.147s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=663704
11:35 watchglass 143.202.160.10:8333 : Alive: (0.217s) V=70001 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.7.0.1/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=663704
11:35 watchglass 176.9.59.199:8333 : (static.199.59.9.176.clients.your-server.de) Alive: (0.276s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=391693 (Operator: jurov)
11:35 watchglass 185.85.38.54:8333 : (tlapnet-38-54.cust.tlapnet.cz) Alive: (0.255s) V=99999 (/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/) Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=663704
11:36 watchglass 185.163.46.29:8333 : Busy? (No answer in 100 sec.)
~ 35 minutes ~
12:12 asciilifeform meanwhile, in comedic lulz: (warning: raw spamola!) : a romanian whorehouse-themed linkfarm hotlinks asciilifeform's photo of timis water tower ruin .
12:12 snsabot (trilema) 2017-11-27 asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/timis_tower_1.jpg + http://www.loper-os.org/pub/timis_tower_2.jpg << subj ( and it dun fit in 1 frame, even )
12:15 shinohai >romanian whorehouse-themed linkfarm
12:15 shinohai >not trilema
12:15 asciilifeform say what one likes about mp, but he didn't hotlink!111
12:16 shinohai Yeah the appropriate moniker would be "romanian whorehouse-themed blog"
12:17 * shinohai doesn't want readers to misinterpret, likes whorehouses.
12:18 asciilifeform lol
12:20 asciilifeform the funny bit, shinohai , asciilifeform gets ro spamola. possibly on account of this, or because linked at one time from mp's, or whoknows. nao if could redeem 9000 cutouts of this spamola for new passport!1111
12:23 shinohai I could see asciilifeform setting up shop in that tower with a death ray or somesuch.
12:24 asciilifeform was my 1st thought when was there, lol. but prolly the austrians own it. (or mp even.)
12:27 shinohai In lulz from Argentina today: https://archive.is/YBG6h (possible interest to BingoBoingo)
12:28 shinohai Sist^H^H^H^HReddit!
12:30 asciilifeform lol, poor uruguay, will lose major biz nao
12:35 shinohai y Las Malvinas siguen siendo Británicas.
12:36 asciilifeform heh
12:37 asciilifeform ( oblig )
~ 34 minutes ~
13:12 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-12-30#1027852 << on-subj. but, as i understand, a quite cheap imitation of interlisp's 's-edit'.
13:12 snsabot Logged on 2020-12-30 04:55:45 adlai: name-drops 'paredit.el', re:ast editing; tl;dr: an emacs mode that remaps various a few commands to always retain structure, adds a few for juggling the conses, and gets unignorably sad whenever you have forcibly broken its invariants
13:15 verisimilitude One of the nicer qualities of Emacs is how everything's modifiable while using it. This also means it can never maintain invariants properly, however.
13:17 verisimilitude I suppose it's a fact that any sufficiently introspectable system will suffer in this way.
~ 41 minutes ~
13:58 asciilifeform verisimilitude: in principle, there are pills against this. see also. i.e. equiv. of iron 'undo' button.
~ 41 minutes ~
14:40 verisimilitude I agree, and think of the seven laws often, but it's clear to me there needs to be some base of the system, not necessarily hardware, which tells the user ``No, I won't be modified.'' and which would require rebooting to do so, were it truly wanted.
14:41 asciilifeform verisimilitude: there's precedent -- consider the 'recover bios' jumper featured on many mb's from past ~decade (connects spare rom w/ factory-supplied stub bios to 'unbrick' from botched reflash)
14:41 verisimilitude Also, I see these selection links require JavaScript.
14:43 asciilifeform verisimilitude: they in fact do
14:43 asciilifeform to date nobody's come up w/ a 100% server-end variant of it that worx w/ ALL possible page contents (e.g. mp's only worked w/ plain text and over 1 para. at a time iirc)
14:46 verisimilitude I've given thought, asciilifeform, to how I'd implement an interrupting button.
14:46 verisimilitude Having a single, fixed option is perhaps nice, but ultimately unacceptable.
14:46 verisimilitude However, making it modifiable allows a program to spin around and change it so many times per second it can't be used.
14:47 verisimilitude One option is having a fixed button and a customizable button, but perhaps the best solution is forcing all such customizing through an interactive program, meaning it can't be changed so.
14:49 asciilifeform verisimilitude: you may find it interesting that high-end pc mb's already include a 'nmi pin'. normally not connected to any buttons, but in principle could set up handler for it during bios init, in smm ram, and use similarly to the iron debugger in e.g. bk0010.
14:50 verisimilitude Mine idea was to just have the mechanism at the lowest level of the operating system. The prime loop would have a ``check input against this'' check.
14:54 asciilifeform imho nmi-attached 'button' debugger really oughta live in a (socketed) rom.
14:55 verisimilitude Well, ROM is just another way of saying ``No, I won't be modified.'' anyway.
~ 2 hours 4 minutes ~
17:00 asciilifeform verisimilitude: mno, there's 'over 9000' ways of 'saying'. but exactly 1 of making it stick.
~ 3 hours 5 minutes ~
20:05 feedbot http://mvdstandard.net/2020/12/ussa-nh-governor-sununu-cancels-own-inauguration-ceremony-over-threats/ << The Montevideo Standard -- USSA: NH Governor Sununu Cancels Own Inauguration Ceremony Over "Threats
~ 3 hours 7 minutes ~
23:13 shinohai $ticker btc usd
23:13 btcinfobot Current BTC price in USD: $29065.4
23:13 shinohai It's over 29`000!
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