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00:00 asciilifeform lobbes: 130 $ sounds expensive for something so small, even w/ 1G/s bw, imho
00:00 snsabot Logged on 2020-01-31 03:59:51 lobbes: asciilifeform: I was only renting a server, roughly $130 orcbux per month
00:01 asciilifeform lobbes: was it at least in china, or elsewhere outside reich ?
00:04 lobbes asciilifeform: yeah, it was malaysia
00:05 asciilifeform aa, then makes sense
00:05 lobbes (this was for MP's commissioned bot; he didn't want it hosted in reich which I can understand)
00:06 lobbes my hoster for ~everything else is in USA, yet I actually have had a pretty good experience with them thus far.
00:07 asciilifeform lobbes: i won't ever wank over 'dun wanna live in asciilifeform's cage!111', right on the box is printed 'in heart of reich', who dares to risk and understands what he's buying -- subscribe, would rather folx knew right off the bat than to barf later.
00:10 lobbes asciilifeform: I will say if my current US hoster kicks the bucket I'll give the alf cage a try for my personal uses
00:11 asciilifeform lobbes: lemme know if you'd like a trial rk ( i have a trip to the cage scheduled for end of week, for unrelated work )
00:11 * asciilifeform believer in 'try before you buy'
00:12 lobbes asciilifeform: I appreciate that offer! Though at the moment even if I liked it, well I'm too poor to afford another hoster right now lol. I like the principle of try-before-buy though
00:13 asciilifeform lobbes: for ref: per current price sheet, 128G rk goes for ~19.28 ($) / mo.
00:14 * asciilifeform not currently aware of anyone on planet letting out 100% blobless boxen for less
00:14 lobbes asciilifeform: damn, that is a good price. Do you take orcbux however? I always hate parting with the little btc I have
00:14 asciilifeform lobbes: coin only
00:15 lobbes asciilifeform: fair enough. Well, I'm definitely going to keep that in mind in any case. That is very nice price especially considering that I trust the operator
00:15 * asciilifeform also quite reluctant to part w/ coinz under any pretext whatsoever -- so understands
00:16 * lobbes bbl, food n' such
00:17 asciilifeform lobbes: i let all the coin live, and buy cage w/ surplus from fiatola works ( recall, is 1 of the 'war crimes' for which asciilifeform was anathemized )
00:22 asciilifeform this way, 0 exposure to 'exchange risk' & the many other well-known minefields of fiatola-intake.
00:24 asciilifeform the folx who think 'harr, he's so stupid' are welcome to build own isp. ( for some reason -- not built yet? nfi wai not, if 'so easy' )
00:33 * asciilifeform has 0 sympathy for folx who whine and won't lift a finger. 'airlines suck!11' -- fucking buy a rusty tub and fly it yerself. or ride train.
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00:55 feedbot http://qntra.net/2020/02/probable-impeachment-looming-in-increasingly-unlikely-event-of-biden-presidency/ << Qntra -- Probable Impeachment Looming In Increasingly Unlikely Event Of Biden Presidency
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01:17 shinohai http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2019-12-26#1004412 <<< Finally did this just now myself, yup I have very few to do anymore. http://btc.info.gf/paste/ad7f2d@raw
01:17 snsabot Logged on 2019-12-26 16:26:07 asciilifeform: finally updated ratings.
01:30 asciilifeform lol harsh
01:31 * asciilifeform normally reserves -rate for the dishonest, rather than merely maniacal (who imho are harmless when you stop giving'em nice things to break)
01:33 shinohai Normally so would I, but special case.
01:35 shinohai I simply unrated all the other folks that are too busy knob-slobbing to notice anything else, BingoBoingo being exception.
01:35 shinohai Will remain even when Qntra career ends, which I expect to occur any day now.
01:38 asciilifeform shinohai: iirc there was an ancient mp piece, where he described how he once found himself, as a boy, on a chicken farm, and broke the necks of the chickens so that the other boys could not play with'em
01:39 asciilifeform i suspect this is the leitmotif re qntra etc
01:39 shinohai As they say here in South, "Cuts off nose to spite face"
01:46 asciilifeform shinohai: such folx are born at certain rate, and unfortunately even in well-functioning civilizations dun always end up drowned as toddlers or confined in psych ward. and will have what to eat, for so long as other folx put hands in their mouths to bite.
01:46 asciilifeform the obv. countermeasure -- don't put hand.
01:54 asciilifeform in erry zoo, there's regularly some schmuck who puts hand in bear cage, 'so cute, pet'. bear -- not pet. and, likewise, 'napoleons' who go on re 'majesty!111' aint 'biz partner' ;
01:55 asciilifeform even if initially (is how diseases progress) start out 'high-functioning napoleon' where actually rewards collaborators, a la mussolini's 'for us -- everything, for the rest -- the law'(tm)(r)
01:57 asciilifeform see also aesop's summary.
01:57 shinohai I've never had the opportunity to observe such a phenomenon first hand.
02:01 asciilifeform shinohai: read some time about how the orig napoleon behaved when the remnant of 'grande armée' was in retreat.
02:02 asciilifeform ( spoiler : a more protracted version of 'das war ein befehl!!'(tm)(r) )
02:04 asciilifeform the 1945 napoleon, incidentally, before eating his walther gave order to dynamite errything of value in his reich. (which his knob-lickers had, to their credit, the good sense to piss on)
02:04 thimbronion I am reminded of the chicken story frequently, for whatever reason.
02:05 thimbronion Never personally had cause to break any chicken necsk though.
02:09 asciilifeform thimbronion: there's a diff b/w farmer, who grows chicken and breaks it when he wants soup, and caligula, who breaks errything in reach 'because can'
02:19 asciilifeform thimbronion: unrelatedly -- i caught up reading yer www, found interesting. linked nao from mine.
02:20 thimbronion I am quite honored, asciilifeform. The link is much appreciated.
02:22 asciilifeform thimbronion: congrats, incidentally, on finding yer way outta the 'american philosophies' glue trap.
02:23 asciilifeform ( and esp. if you manage to avoid moving to new glue trap..! )
02:27 thimbronion That is the challenge. I hope to avoid another glue trap by doing *something*.
02:29 asciilifeform thimbronion: for so long as you ~do~ (e.g. -- learn chinese, write softs, build dirigible, etc) rather than 'illusion of doing' in flagellant cult -- will win.
02:30 shinohai I thought thimbronion was one of diana_coman's slaves?
02:31 asciilifeform ( self-flagellation cults incidentally ~very~ popular historically. because addictively scratch the 'doing' itch w/out requiring actual-doing.. )
02:31 asciilifeform shinohai: iirc was 'candidate' but not enlisted yet (i'ma let him correct if i'm mistaken)
02:32 thimbronion I am currently rated a page boy by diana_coman.
02:34 asciilifeform afaik the only 'doer' currently there is jfw (and even he -- mostly publishing pre-enlistment works atm)
02:35 thimbronion asciilifeform: didn't you say you were learning Chinese?
02:35 asciilifeform thimbronion: i got as far as 'kindergarten' level, but atm on hiatus
02:36 asciilifeform found that it was interfering w/ my jp ( atm at best enuff to pass primary school ) and paused
02:37 thimbronion I see. Lmk if you ever need any errands done in China. I'm planning to travel there soon - possibly in the summer (barring this corona virus thing dragging on past then).
02:37 asciilifeform thimbronion: do you have connections in semiconductor biz there ?
02:38 thimbronion asciilifeform: No I do not.
02:38 asciilifeform aite.
02:38 thimbronion Not afraid to knock on doors, wrangle up local girls, etc.
02:39 asciilifeform thimbronion: if you develop such connection -- do say. cuz asciilifeform would like a serious quote for 45nm fab...
02:39 thimbronion ok.
02:40 thimbronion re: japanese - I got through 2nd year in college, had gf, but, i dunno. Chinese seems more practical.
02:41 asciilifeform thimbronion: may very well be.
02:41 thimbronion Where I live is swarming with them. Very few Sushi places even run by Japanese.
02:42 asciilifeform atm i dun suffer the illusion that i'll get to use either 'in field', so for most part learning for to read old lit.
02:42 thimbronion ah! I see.
02:44 asciilifeform jp is a ~dead civilization. cn, by all signs, alive, but i find unappetizing.
02:44 asciilifeform 'human anthill'
02:44 thimbronion They will not deny it.
02:46 thimbronion They have the ability to somehow be rich and yet not gentrify the neighborhoods they take over.
02:46 asciilifeform cuz sending the dough back home.
02:47 thimbronion hm yes true
02:47 thimbronion although sending a lot here buying realestate.
02:48 thimbronion But yes here the money is all in cash or house form. Only ever enters bank in China.
02:48 asciilifeform afaik usa is only still in biz at all on acct of cn folx buying into its pyramids.
02:48 asciilifeform eventually will fold like erry other pyramid.
02:54 asciilifeform when the paper 'wealth' turns to toilet paper, they will have what they managed to physically build -- railroads, mines, cardboard ghost towns, etc.; and won't have, what didn't build (native 'fits in head' cpu arch; native os; crystallography labs that don't simply pull coordinates outta rng to fill paper queue, and could go on) and no more/no less.
02:56 thimbronion Well, you can't steal a fits in head cpu arch from anyone, so...
02:57 asciilifeform atm i'm not aware of a ~native~ cn design for ~anything~ (from stapler and kalash, to jet) that's worth half a shit
02:57 asciilifeform dun prove that it dun exist. but remains
02:59 asciilifeform 'we can always steal what design we need' is, partly, how sovok croaked .
02:59 snsabot (trilema) 2019-09-17 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re 'face derealization' / 'they gave up, why' -- i was reading not long ago about keldysh (head of sovok academy of sciences, and overall respectable figure, in charge of ~100% of calculative works for space / atomic programs etc. ) BUT at same time is the fella who undertook 'let's ditch native comp archs and copy pdp'. seems like was a checkmate, rather than 'dolchstoss', saw no working alternative , 'we can't affor
03:04 asciilifeform afaik e.g. cn army still ~100% armed w/ mildly-reworked late-sovok irons.
03:06 asciilifeform given the state of the enemy, this is prolly good enuff for century+ of deterring 'democracy-spreader'.
03:06 thimbronion I don't follow arms much but I thought they were in a good spot with their hypersonic carrier destroying missles or something like that.
03:06 asciilifeform sovok design.
03:06 thimbronion hah!
03:06 asciilifeform (and currently in ru manufactured same. late-'80s.)
03:08 asciilifeform elementarily, folx who 'cult of wealth', a la anthill, cannot create novel objects. can only steal from those who 'were engineers'(tm)(r) and worked on penny/day simply from 'found the equations interesting'.
03:08 asciilifeform see e.g. the history of 'stealth airplane'.
03:11 asciilifeform when the folx who 'find equation interesting' haven't their penny/day cuz abramovich needs 9001-st yacht (ru 1990s) , or occupied w/ optimizing hft coad for financial pyramids (usa) , 'bang! no moar' novel techs.
03:11 asciilifeform cuz, again elementarily, there aint any martians to steal said tech from.
03:13 asciilifeform the operative 'hatefact'(tm) is that the process of producing novel concepts cannot be put on 'industrial' footing. it does not submit to 'mpization'.
03:15 asciilifeform ( which doesn't meant that it cannot be done inside e.g. special-purpose prison. under stalin worked a+++. but requires certain amt of freedom to 'work unplanned' and 'chase wild goose'. which is difficult to arrange in 'properly controlled' conveyor.)
03:16 asciilifeform see e.g. solzhenitsin's 'first circle' .
03:18 * asciilifeform will bbl.
03:18 thimbronion Hadn't heard of "First Circle." I will probably check it out.
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05:24 asciilifeform thimbronion: here you go.
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06:27 feedbot http://fixpoint.welshcomputing.com/2020/forum-log-notes-19-january-2020/ << Fixpoint -- Forum log notes, 19 January 2020
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12:49 shinohai A "newly developed app" caused inconsistencies in results of the Iowa Caucuses ... what a surprise.
12:49 shinohai "But we had a blockchain and everything!"
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13:48 shinohai ./ticker btc usd
13:48 btcinfobot Current BTC price in USD: 9124.65
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14:22 superkuh It's over 9000!
14:28 shinohai xD
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15:40 thimbronion asciilifeform: thx
15:41 feedbot http://qntra.net/2020/02/pantsuits-fuck-their-iowa-caucus-results-delayed-indefinitely/ << Qntra -- Pantsuits Fuck Their Iowa Caucus, Results Delayed Indefinitely
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16:21 feedbot http://qntra.net/2020/02/rush-limbaugh-announces-advanced-lung-cancer-diagnosis/ << Qntra -- Rush Limbaugh Announces Advanced Lung Cancer Diagnosis
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19:53 asciilifeform zeder: who might you be ?
19:54 asciilifeform !q seen-anywhere zeder
19:54 snsabot The user zeder has never been seen by this logger.
19:55 zeder Just someone who came across the channel on loper-os.org.
19:55 asciilifeform zeder: which article ? ( or are you a regular reader ? )
19:55 zeder Otherwise, no one of consequence.
19:56 asciilifeform zeder: that's my www. if you have questions, this is the place.
19:57 zeder I read your www whenever possible. I don't recall how I found the log archives, probably random clicking.
20:00 zeder I do have a question actually. I've tried reaching out to symbolics-dk for system order information but received radio silence. Do you know if they're still operational?
20:00 asciilifeform zeder: a, ok. you can drop questions here , i typically check the log at least 1/day, if prefer this to comments on www. ( if want realtime conv, usually i'm awake during normal biz hrs newyork time )
20:01 asciilifeform zeder: last i knew he was still in biz. but mostly everything is out of stock.
20:01 asciilifeform he has an ebay shop also.
20:01 asciilifeform https://www.ebay.com/usr/71271.1417
20:02 asciilifeform dks's www and contact info. give him a call.
20:02 zeder I will, thank you.
20:02 asciilifeform as recently as last year i bought a number of things from him
20:03 asciilifeform was very cooperative (until i asked for proprietary docs to go w/ the purchased irons...)
20:03 zeder Please feel free to refuse answering this, but aprox how much was the MacIvory rig?
20:03 asciilifeform example, 'macivory' machine, bought from dks in '18.
20:03 asciilifeform zeder: was just under 5k $ as i recall.
20:04 asciilifeform included postage.
20:04 asciilifeform for a short time he was also selling spare cpus for these, iirc 450 ea., i bought several.
20:04 zeder Great. It's within expected range.
20:04 asciilifeform ( they're for electron microscopy, eventually )
20:05 asciilifeform zeder: as i understand, dks no longer has a stockpile of these machines, but sometimes he buys one back from an experimenter , and then usually puts on ebay.
20:06 asciilifeform tends to happen every year or so, in my experience.
20:06 zeder experimenter? Do you mean a Lispm tourist?
20:06 asciilifeform aha
20:06 asciilifeform various people buy'em, then break their teeth, and want to sell again
20:09 asciilifeform currently i'm not aware of anyone other than myself who bought specifically for reverse-engineering . no doubt these exist, but there's a pathological imho culture of secrecy around the subject.
20:12 asciilifeform one possible reason for this, is that once a proper emulator is built, the ancient irons will become ~worthless. and some folks have tends of thousands worth sitting around.
20:12 asciilifeform *tens
20:13 asciilifeform ( the 'snap5' emulator floating around on warez, incidentally, is not 'proper', it is quite buggy and regularly crashes. and in fact is not a faithful emulation of the actual 'ivory' arch, but of a simplified variant smbx originally sold for dec alpha in late '90s.)
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20:16 asciilifeform re the 'culture', see e.g. this old thread. discussed in detail.
20:16 snsabot (trilema) 2017-03-10 asciilifeform: know what doesn't help ? people's habit of NOT POSTING JACK SHIT
20:18 zeder I haven't heard of snap5. Will dig deeper.
20:19 asciilifeform snap4. i dun have the link to 5 handy atm.
20:23 asciilifeform these were (somewhat kludgy) amd64 ports of the original dec alpha emulator.
20:23 asciilifeform ( which in turn was 'too little, too late' and put the company out of biz. )
20:25 asciilifeform zeder: what's your interest in the smbx irons ?
20:26 zeder If I ever write a book on the tech industry I'll title it "Too Little Too Late"
20:26 asciilifeform lol
20:29 zeder My interest is in exploring lost possibilities. I'm a long time Lisp programmer who started in XLISP-STAT and missed the era of synergistic hw/sw.
20:29 asciilifeform zeder: i similarly. (as you probably knew, from reading www)
20:29 zeder Yes. I detected a hint of that.
20:30 asciilifeform my interest is, primarily, to make sure that the item is in fact preserved (the old irons will not run forever, not only electrolytic capacitors wear out) ; and secondarily to actually document the iron & softs stack.
20:31 asciilifeform this requires cycle-accurate emulator. ( already folx found that symbolics used 1980s-style 'empty loops' for delays, ubiquitously , and this is why even their official emulator was dodgy )
20:32 zeder I'm coming at it from more of the sw side, but I appreciate the importance of the hw preservation as well.
20:33 asciilifeform originally i also started purely from sw side. then dug in and realized that it was intimately dependent on the features of the iron ( hardware-assisted gc, type checking, etc )
20:37 zeder I need to aggregate the extant literature on the subject. The bits and pieces are scattered throughout various drives and notebooks.
20:37 asciilifeform zeder: see also this.
20:38 asciilifeform ^ largest, afaik, collection of publicly-known lit on the subj.
20:39 asciilifeform includes, i think, all of the printed documentation that came with the machines.
20:39 zeder I've definitely been there, but a refresh is in order.
20:39 asciilifeform there's several new (last 4yrs) documents.
20:39 asciilifeform i was able to get some cpu docs from an anonymous informant, but not prepped for publication just yet
20:40 asciilifeform notably this included pinout, timing waveforms, and (a pre-prod, i think, revision of) the instruction set.
20:41 zeder I'm going to pull this down and augment it with papers and histories that I've found over the years.
20:41 asciilifeform what it did not include, was any info on the supporting peripherals present on the 'ivory' board. in particular, there's a 1200 gate cpld, which interfaces the thing to the old apple bus; and also some GALs
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20:42 zeder asciilifeform: I look forward to the release of those docs.
20:42 asciilifeform theoretically it is possible to infer the function of these, as the 68k mac application that drove the card, comes with sources
20:44 zeder That would be a nice bit of sleuthing.
20:44 asciilifeform the ivory cpu itself has about 400,000 transistors, i.e. roughly same complexity as ye olde i486.
20:45 asciilifeform in principle is even possible to reverse via high quality ~optical~ microscopy. still looking for a reputable shop that would expose, at reasonable cost, the die.
20:45 asciilifeform ( i have only 4 units to work with, not counting the one mounted in the card )
20:46 asciilifeform the samples in my possession were made with 2uM process.
20:47 asciilifeform xray image of the ic package. there is a metallic lid, attached via unknown adhesive. would need to remove w/out thermally stressing the die. which means machining.
20:53 asciilifeform i found an electron microscopy shop that works at very reasonable rate (self-service) ; but not yet a reliable decapper .
20:57 zeder Reading through the links provided. Fascinating leads here.
21:07 asciilifeform zeder: very, very little is known re the iron tho.
21:10 asciilifeform in fact i was not even able to find high-res photos of 'macivory' card on www. afaik to this day mine are the only ones publicly posted , where the ic markings are readable.
21:10 zeder crazy
21:14 asciilifeform i can see how enthusiasts who bought 5$k card that show up on market every other year, might be loathe to handle the thing, pull chips, etc
21:14 asciilifeform but that no one bothered over ~decades~ is imho outrageous.
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21:47 shinohai http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2020-02-04#1005932 <<< this made me think to ask you asciilifeform , ya ever tried that "Mezzano" lisp OS floating about?
21:47 snsabot Logged on 2020-02-04 20:13:33 asciilifeform: ( the 'snap5' emulator floating around on warez, incidentally, is not 'proper', it is quite buggy and regularly crashes. and in fact is not a faithful emulation of the actual 'ivory' arch, but of a simplified variant smbx originally sold for dec alpha in late '90s.)
21:49 asciilifeform shinohai: last looked in 2018. couldn't get it to run on any irons i had.
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21:49 snsabot (trilema) 2018-04-25 asciilifeform: ( lives -- yes -- on shithub; https://github.com/froggey/Mezzano/tree/master/drivers << all he's got in the way of iron )
21:49 shinohai Oh heh, only intel drivers :/
21:50 asciilifeform ( see also 2016 thread w/ phf, re where item not quite compat w/ conventional commonlisp )
21:50 snsabot (trilema) 2016-09-17 phf: movitz and mezzano are common lisp compilers, they are just shitty ones. they are good enough to boot an os on x86, but they are missing bits (large chunks of standard) because nobody's written those
21:50 asciilifeform possibly author continued since then ? i have nfi, not followed.
21:51 asciilifeform ( thing lives on loathesome shithub, too )
21:51 shinohai Yeah project still appears active, last coomit 3 hrs ago
21:52 asciilifeform shinohai: try, run, if you've time. could make for interesting article.
21:53 shinohai ChrysaLisp only thing I've tried from Shithub. Nice toy but wasn't fleshed out much, and couldn't run on bare iron yet last I saw.
21:54 asciilifeform the ~total nonexistence of anything resembling standardized pc iron, makes this kind of thing not only difficult, but rather thankless work
21:56 asciilifeform typically authors throw in towel and say 'only vmware'
21:57 asciilifeform ( which fixes, ultimately, ~nothing, vmware is not only proprietary turdware, but regularly breaks sim-irons support )
21:59 asciilifeform shinohai: there's a reason why i concluded that it is necessary to bake iron, if want sane os.
22:00 asciilifeform classic case in point, 'movitz'
22:00 asciilifeform ( afaik the 1st attempt at 'bare irons commonlisp' on pc )
22:00 asciilifeform i.e. will ~possibly run if you can somehow dig up ~exactly~ same pile of junk the orig. author worked with. and not otherwise.
22:07 shinohai Sad that someone like mp could prolly make sane iron happen if wanted.
22:08 asciilifeform shinohai: it aint simply a matter of 'big enuff bag of dough' . or would've long happened.
22:09 shinohai Of course not, but doesn't hurt. As far as I could tell at one point this was something he desired, neh?
22:10 asciilifeform shinohai: very difficult to say conclusively what ( aside from cosplay of 18th c. royalty... ) fella ~actually~ wanted
22:12 shinohai It's all there in the 5 bzillion lines of Trilema, we're just too dumb to see it!
22:12 asciilifeform 1 non-obvious problem, shinohai , is that 'big bag o'dough' is not a neutral thing. it is poisonous, like radwaste. makes folx sitting on it, stupider, in well-documented ways.
22:13 asciilifeform incl. (but by no means limited to) 'pleasures of flesh'. it aint clear to me that 'harem' is all that diff. from e.g. heroin, in its effects. how many os designers on heroin do you know ?
22:14 asciilifeform or, for that matter, his (admitted!) cocaine. imho still shows typical effects, even tho supposedly quit.
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22:14 shinohai Well there was gabriel_laddell xD
22:14 asciilifeform was, lol
22:15 asciilifeform near as i can tell, buried.
22:16 shinohai I have no clue how many girls mp has about. Having two about hasn't changed me much, I enjoy pleasures of the flesh, then move on to other irems.
22:16 shinohai *items
22:17 asciilifeform not erryone succumbs to dope, either, for that matter. (e.g. p. erdos, patron saint of gabriel_laddels errywhere)
22:19 asciilifeform shinohai: problem, as i understand it, aint that the gurlz suck yer brain out from below. but that folx surrounded by sycophants, eventually lose all ability of self-criticism or to take advice.
22:19 shinohai That indeed seems to be problem, fellow likes dishing it out but the gods forbid he receive it.
22:20 asciilifeform shinohai: it aint curable. and unfailingly leads to bunker ( not necessarily fuhrerbunker '45 model ; can be h. hughes's air-conditioned bunker. but same result. )
22:26 asciilifeform shinohai: the funniest paradox, is that it is ~impossible to make a conventional '+ev' biz case for sane irons. (given that '100% openly published specs' is intrinsically part of 'sane'.) and so to bake it, yer stuck to work with insane folx. or w/ whatever coins you can muster on own power.
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22:26 asciilifeform 'no one pays for sunlight'(tm)(r) .
22:27 asciilifeform ( see also. )
22:29 shinohai ^aha I remember reading that.
22:30 shinohai Just for shits and giggles downloaded Mezzano, in qemu even running with `-m 2048` painfully slow, near unusable.
22:31 asciilifeform shinohai: even very tight linux similarly 'barely usable' under qemu
22:31 asciilifeform so not much surprise
22:41 asciilifeform for thread-completeness -- the typical failure mode of folx who ~do~ have non-atrophied self-criticism organ, is that after long enuff time of facing apparently-unyielding wall, they tend to move to more tractable problems (e.g. 'preserve linux') and convince selves that they're doing something Truly Useful and 'Just As Good'
22:44 asciilifeform the prospect of spending decades on work that's ~guaranteed to add up to ~0 in yer lifetime, and where there's slim chance that even archaeologists find it, is unappealing to most folx.
22:44 asciilifeform yet that's exactly what's needed.
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23:38 shinohai https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EP9KuMZXsAE77mq.jpg
23:38 shinohai >Satoshi
23:45 asciilifeform lol
23:58 shinohai Hours after I made Qntra submission, Hoaxtoshi *does in fact spin new lie* and claims he can't tell court whether or not he has privkeys to Satoshi stash because "bonded courier" is attorney and it is now "privileged information".
23:58 asciilifeform shinohai: what i dunget, is why to feed the troll
23:59 shinohai Whaddya mean, "feed troll" as in publish items about it?
23:59 asciilifeform fella gets ~bottomless pile of dough from usg, solely to make noise. whatcha gonna do, out-noise him ? why ?
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