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00:00 shinohai Still working on the html part of logging
00:01 asciilifeform shinohai: neato. ( can't resist to ask, what'll it do if e.g. (delete-file (probe-file "/")) or similar. )
00:03 shinohai Has mechanism to avoid random user from using eval function and entering catastrophic lines, but good question xD
00:08 shinohai I must tip hat to trinque while he is here, if not for him encouraging me long ago would never have picked up first parenthesis.
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00:25 asciilifeform meanwhile, for the literature-inclined, a. koestler's 'darkness at noon' is imho an a+++ work re the earlier subj. ( a 1940 yarn about a slightly-dumber asciilifeform . )
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09:40 spyked asciilifeform, I'll bring feedbot to #a tomorrow morning the latest. I'll need a list of feeds to be announced in chan, lemme know what you'd like to have here.
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11:46 shinohai ./uptime
11:46 btcinfobot Uptime: 7 hours, 31 minutes
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14:14 asciilifeform mp's latest masterpiece doesn't disappoint. diana_coman i suspect this, for instance, is a q addressed to erryone here.
14:15 asciilifeform and i'd like to hear concrete answers, from : ave1 , BingoBoingo , bvt , diana_coman , lobbes , mod6 , spyked , trinque .
14:18 asciilifeform mod6 in particular hasn't afaik spoken yet. i'm curious, mod6 , will you let mp disassemble and plunder tbf ?
14:26 asciilifeform at this pt i'ma say that what, if anyffin, remains of the republic -- is currently assembled ~here~. let's see what, exactly , remains.
14:38 asciilifeform imho is adequately illustrated nao -- working for mp is its own punishment, like sniffing glue. all of you are of course welcome to ignore the warning and do another, own, '7 years', in mpschwitz, until the inevitable shitcanning.
14:50 asciilifeform can't speak for others, but asciilifeform would like to put his wot ratings in order by end of this wk. others invited to do same.
14:51 asciilifeform republic -- door on the left. 5th reich -- door on the right.
14:52 asciilifeform make a decision that you can live with. as i did.
14:53 diana_coman asciilifeform: *you* ask me what questions you have and I'll answer.
14:53 diana_coman I'm listening.
14:54 asciilifeform diana_coman: since apparently q wasn't clear (imho mp made it very simple) -- do you agree with this proclamation ?
14:55 diana_coman asciilifeform: you ask me a question of yours, not if I agree with whatever someone else said somewhere else; please.
14:56 asciilifeform not sure why requires a tea ceremony, but how about : diana_coman, do you agree that 'the present value of Stanislav Datskovskiy's future work is today exactly zero, for very good reasons that stand on a lot of historical backing' ?
14:56 diana_coman that's still not your question, is it; sigh.
14:57 diana_coman asciilifeform: I'll ask you one, if you don't mind
14:57 * asciilifeform listening
14:57 diana_coman asciilifeform: do you intend to not work with me if I work with MP?
14:59 shinohai http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2019-11-04#1001229 <<< for my part, answered http://btc.info.gf/blog/rome-continues-to-burn-as-snsa-liquidation-announced.html
14:59 snsabot Logged on 2019-11-04 14:56:34 asciilifeform: not sure why requires a tea ceremony, but how about : diana_coman, do you agree that 'the present value of Stanislav Datskovskiy's future work is today exactly zero, for very good reasons that stand on a lot of historical backing' ?
15:00 diana_coman shinohai: didn't know you answered stuff addressed to me nao.
15:00 shinohai Apologies diana_coman ... asciilifeform asked me to post but imma give ya'll teh floor.
15:01 asciilifeform diana_coman: i'ma work with anyone. even, theoretically, with (but not 'for') mp (tho as i understand he'd rather eat glass.) but the proviso is, as ~republicans~ , i.e. free people in own right. folx who answer to the fuhrer, and consider him a moral authority, are guaranteed to face difficulties here sooner or later.
15:01 asciilifeform so i'd like to invite folx to think.
15:02 diana_coman asciilifeform: do you consider me a republican currently ?
15:02 asciilifeform diana_coman: tbh i do not know yet.
15:02 asciilifeform diana_coman: i'd like to ask you the same q, also.
15:02 diana_coman asciilifeform: right; and you'll "know it" based on whether I continue working with MP or not, right?
15:03 asciilifeform diana_coman: no.
15:03 diana_coman asciilifeform: so ASK THE QUESTION ffs.
15:03 diana_coman asciilifeform: how will you know it then? based on what?
15:04 asciilifeform diana_coman: very simple. when mp issues fatwa, on what side of the razor wire will diana_coman be found ? i do not yet know.
15:05 diana_coman 1. I have no idea what fatwa are you talking about 2. how is that different from "if you work with MP, I won't work with you" ?
15:07 diana_coman (also, let me point out that making a "decision" as to whether people are republicans/free in own right based on whether they pledge allegiance to you or to someone else is communist in action if nothing else)
15:09 asciilifeform diana_coman: to be very clear, in eyes of asciilifeform , mp is a harmless maniac, and asciilifeform's whatever workplace injuries from trying to work for him, are arguably self-inflicted. like injuries from running into brick wall. ( arguably oughta have stopped no later than this point, there was ample warning. ) so i dun intend to issue any fatwas or ask for pledges
15:09 asciilifeform , will leave those to the fella with jupiter-sized ego. but would like folx to ~think~ .
15:09 diana_coman if he's harmless, what's it all to you, there's no sense there.
15:10 diana_coman what "this is the republic *here*" and all that.
15:10 asciilifeform diana_coman: i wish to ask you to describe your conception of 'the republic'.
15:11 asciilifeform we may be working from different priors.
15:11 diana_coman asciilifeform: do me a favour and judge me as a person, make your determination & rate me accordingly, I'm fine with whatever it might be.
15:12 diana_coman asciilifeform: I think I described in quite detail in #o and you were tuned in, no? but here for quick link: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-10-16#1006573
15:12 ossabot (ossasepia) 2019-10-16 diana_coman: jfw: as to the republic as a whole, the fundamental aspect I'd say is the fact that it's a republic of men (ie individual agents, active and self-directed entities)
15:13 asciilifeform diana_coman: i unfortunately know very little about diana_coman as person. i know that diana_coman was once an academic, and quit because tired of the 4th reich's bullshit. then agreed to work for mp, for (unlike asciilifeform, who was a rube and bit promisetronic hook) coin on the barrelhead. and it would seem that asciilifeform and diana_coman historically agreed re questions pertaining to softwares .
15:15 asciilifeform beyond this i sadly do not know much, my ro is too weak to adequately absorb diana_coman's older writings re philosophies just yet.
15:15 diana_coman as I'm running out of time currently and people are waiting for me, I'll answer the question you never actually asked: I'll interact gladly with asciilifeform's outputs, both physical artefacts and blog posts; and I'll provide feedback on those gladly; I am however extremely tired of attempting direct coordination on anything that is not one of those 2 things.
15:15 asciilifeform diana_coman: very good, ty for answer.
15:18 diana_coman I suppose I should add in the spirit of full disclosure that I will go as far as positively steer away from direct coordination due to past experience (of which the above "question" gives quite the clear flavour re nothing changed).
15:18 * diana_coman will bbl
15:20 asciilifeform presently seems to me that diana_coman's view of 'what is republic', at least as described here matches my own.
15:20 snsabot Logged on 2019-11-04 15:12:07 diana_coman: asciilifeform: I think I described in quite detail in #o and you were tuned in, no? but here for quick link: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-10-16#1006573
15:20 ossabot (ossasepia) 2019-10-16 diana_coman: jfw: as to the republic as a whole, the fundamental aspect I'd say is the fact that it's a republic of men (ie individual agents, active and self-directed entities)
15:23 * asciilifeform being literate, and qualified to judge mechanical outputs with own hands, will happily work with such people. whether they get a salary from some nutter somewhere dun make any problem for asciilifeform .
15:24 * asciilifeform also bbl : tea.
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16:27 asciilifeform http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2019-11-04#1001214 << in continuation, arguably, of above thrd : spyked are you willing to make provisions for displaying in #a the feeds that are requested strictly by the folx inhabiting #a (rather than controlled strictly from #t) ?
16:27 snsabot Logged on 2019-11-04 09:40:03 spyked: asciilifeform, I'll bring feedbot to #a tomorrow morning the latest. I'll need a list of feeds to be announced in chan, lemme know what you'd like to have here.
16:27 asciilifeform spyked: if the answr's yes, and you need programmatic help for this, plz let asciilifeform know.
16:28 asciilifeform trinque are you willing/able to put deedbot here ? (and, does this require the rewrite ? or could be done as it stands ?)
16:29 asciilifeform lobbes: can haz the auctionbot here ?
16:37 asciilifeform meanwhile, BingoBoingo -- in light of this, can you tell me what qntra wins from being on mpex ? or , in particular, what you expect to win from continued collaboration w/ the napoleon ? does he even pay yer hosting bill at this pt ?
16:37 snsabot Logged on 2019-11-03 19:42:56 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: My present sadness stems from the fact that I *do* buy your version.
16:41 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: know that you'll have an rk within same day you ask, and 'pro bono' for as long as you operate qntra. ( that is, if you decide that you'd like to join the free world. )
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17:04 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: ftr asciilifeform stuck around in e.g. '17, when clearly unwanted guest in mp's house, largely from being complete rube and having nfi that could buy entirely effective own hosting. took mp's crumbs like idiot kid takes pedovan candy. if yer doing that -- it aint too late to stop.
17:04 snsabot (trilema) 2019-10-03 asciilifeform: he walks along the street. suddenly a van stops, and inside there is pedofag , 'hey boy, like candy?' boy -- gets in.
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17:25 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Continued collaboration with MP wins me the opportunity to continue pressing myself against the blades in the hope that I continue to sharpen into the sorta man that can contribute to shaping the world. I am not in a position where I can write off the 5-15 years of experience advantage it seems I get whenever I consult the man.
17:25 BingoBoingo With respect to Qntra, he really did play a major part in shaping the thing. His interjections and impositions have bee very infrequent in recent years, but left to myself and cazalla alone... The thing would look very different.
17:25 BingoBoingo I have no problems continuing to interact with you and the free Republicans. Once Pizarro's boxed, buried, and my deedbot wallet's no longer intermingled with Pizarro I'll pay to rent a RockChip in your rack. Qntra probably won't fit comfortably in a Rockchip, five years of ~daily posting means Qntra seems to be the biggest RAM eater on 'anyserver' at the moment.
17:26 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: ty for actually answering the q as given.
17:26 BingoBoingo brb
17:26 BingoBoingo asciilifeform: You're welcome
17:27 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: fwiw i also learned many useful things from mp. which i'ma apply. up through '16 or so he was unequaled teacher. atm tho, imho he's rather like an alzheimer's patient smearing shit on the hospital walls.
17:27 diana_coman ugh, I honestly can't stand this "free republicans" shit.
17:28 diana_coman are you trying to re-enact here the sort of in-group signalling that went so marvelously before or what?
17:29 asciilifeform diana_coman: i dun particularly care re 'group signals' , but from purely practical considerations need a sense of who's signing the ' asciilifeform doubleplusungood unperson ' decree, and who aint.
17:30 BingoBoingo diana_coman: There's a good reason for your distaste and why I needed to use the man's label to answer his question.
17:30 BingoBoingo brb, 4 real
17:30 diana_coman mk.
17:32 asciilifeform BingoBoingo: obv. if you think it dun fit in rk, can get larger. the issue's that mp would sooner eat glass than pay for it, imho he made this quite clear.
17:44 mod6 hello, saw you lit me up with this: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2019-11-04#1001219
17:44 snsabot Logged on 2019-11-04 14:18:55 asciilifeform: mod6 in particular hasn't afaik spoken yet. i'm curious, mod6 , will you let mp disassemble and plunder tbf ?
17:44 asciilifeform wb mod6
17:45 mod6 not even sure how to respond to this.
17:45 asciilifeform mod6: i rec to catch up on last wk, if you haven't yet. and after that say.
17:46 * shinohai salutes mod6 o7
17:46 mod6 I think I've made it pretty clear that I'm not interested in doing the foundation any longer, and mp has stated that he would like something done about it as well.
17:46 mod6 Hey shinohai
17:47 davout mod6: ohai!
17:48 mod6 Anyway, my focus is not as much on all-things-tbf at the moment. The most important thing on my list atm is this pizarro stuff. Once that is all put to rest, as I said recently, can then start working on what to do about TBF>
17:48 mod6 hey davout! long time man, how've you been?
17:48 asciilifeform mod6: i'm working on, among other things, the q of who (if anyone) is this 'we' .
17:48 mod6 Did I say 'we'?
17:49 asciilifeform didn't , which i suppose is clever .
17:49 mod6 lol im confused.
17:49 mod6 Anyway, 'plunder'? I don't think anything can be 'plundered'.
17:49 asciilifeform didja see this, mod6 ?
17:49 snsabot Logged on 2019-11-04 14:14:51 asciilifeform: mp's latest masterpiece doesn't disappoint. diana_coman i suspect this, for instance, is a q addressed to erryone here.
17:53 mod6 So, basically there are perhaps two different things that can become of the Foundation. Either someone steps up, takes a noted interest in the Chairmanship, and is approved of by L1/MP/TMSR; as of the last two years, there has been no takers. But who knows, maybe someone will throw their hat in the ring.
17:53 mod6 The other thing would be shutting it down.
17:54 mod6 Either way will take discussion and measured steps. I'm sure will get discussion in #t.
17:54 asciilifeform mod6: you didn't read mp's piece didja.
17:55 mod6 I've read; losses, closure, your things amount to zero.
17:55 asciilifeform mod6: ok so read. and agree ? so whatcha doing here then ?
17:55 mod6 What is the question exactly?
17:56 asciilifeform mod6: what are 90+% of trb patches by weight/volume made of ?
17:56 mod6 Your stuff, of course.
17:56 asciilifeform which == 0, rright ?
17:57 mod6 It was well noted that these patches would need a 'going over' once again (in #trilema).
17:57 mod6 Yeah, well it seems that undetermined currently. I'm not in any sort of good standing either, as far as I can tell.
17:57 asciilifeform rrright, cuz asciilifeform , by decree of his majesty the fuhrer, is unperson. so i'ma ask again, what is mod6 doing here, talking to unpeople ?
17:57 mod6 So I'm pretty certain that I won't be the one to do the 'going over' of any of those things.
17:58 asciilifeform mod6: yer going , in case you have doubts on the subj, right next to asciilifeform in same grave.
17:58 mod6 Pretty much.
17:58 asciilifeform the q is, are you gonna go like koestler's rubashov ? or like asciilifeform .
17:58 snsabot Logged on 2019-11-04 00:25:41 asciilifeform: meanwhile, for the literature-inclined, a. koestler's 'darkness at noon' is imho an a+++ work re the earlier subj. ( a 1940 yarn about a slightly-dumber asciilifeform . )
17:59 mod6 I stick around, as to now go AWOL, as some have, so I can ensure that things are put to rest the best that I can, while I have a voice.
17:59 shinohai "Darkness at noon" was a great read btw
17:59 mod6 s/now/not/
18:00 asciilifeform mod6: in case it wasn't clear -- asciilifeform aint going like rubashov.
18:00 mod6 But again, my priorities are to ensure that piz is put to rest successfully, with all liabilities paid, etc. Then will focus on what to do re: foundation.
18:01 asciilifeform mod6: after mp is paid his 0.9, 100% of the remaining piz stakeholders are here.
18:01 asciilifeform and of these 3, only 2 in #t .
18:01 asciilifeform is this clear ?
18:01 mod6 Sure, what of it?
18:02 asciilifeform mod6: i'd like to make sure, when you're putting things to rest, that yer talking to people who are actually there. is all.
18:03 asciilifeform and, additionally, that yer talking to people who you actually consider to be people.
18:03 mod6 All things will happen in #trilema, unless asked to not be by MP.
18:04 asciilifeform mod6: so what do you intend to do re stakeholders unpersoned by mp ?
18:04 mod6 Steakholders of Pizarro?
18:04 asciilifeform are you gonna swallow asciilifeform's coin, mod6 ?
18:04 asciilifeform correct, of piz.
18:04 mod6 Are you trying to give me coin? lol
18:04 asciilifeform mod6: i expect mp will try to 'give' it to you, yes.
18:05 mod6 The coins that you put into Piz??
18:05 asciilifeform unpersons dun have any biz having coin.
18:05 asciilifeform correct.
18:05 mod6 Well, I highly doubt that.
18:05 mod6 The man pays his debts.
18:05 asciilifeform mp has worked hard to remove what doubt i had .
18:05 mod6 At least, so far he has, to the best of my knowledge.
18:06 asciilifeform ( incidentally i owe him a 0.3 , and still fighting w/ q of wtf is going on w/ my node )
18:06 mod6 one sec.
18:06 asciilifeform mod6: do you recall how mp 'paid' his debt to kako ?
18:06 mod6 was kako owed anything?
18:07 asciilifeform iirc coupla hundy btc on mpex.
18:07 mod6 And what, it was simply kept?
18:07 asciilifeform it's in the (phf, only, atm) logs, mod6 .
18:08 mod6 Ok without getting into the weeds on that for a moment.
18:08 mod6 As I see it, first we repay the coins that are due to the customers of Piz.
18:08 asciilifeform mod6: right, but the q aint re these.
18:09 mod6 Once that is settled, we figure out what is left, and it gets divided equally among the equity holders.
18:09 mod6 I don't think that MP enters into it.
18:09 asciilifeform mod6: if he dun enter into it, why is 'the discussion to be in #t' ? or do i misunderstand ?
18:10 mod6 Well, all business and filings happen there; but I was more speaking to the Foundation discussions -- we're kinda hitting on two different topics here.
18:10 mod6 But just because you're unperson, doesn't mean that you don't get your due from Piz.
18:11 mod6 Now, if you OWE Mr. P. some coins, then you must pay. But Piz isn't a part of that question.
18:11 asciilifeform mod6: suppose he decides i owe him 9000. because he threw a knife at a dartboard and it lands on that # . you will agree ?
18:12 mod6 Anyone can decide anything, I suppose. 'you owe me 21 million coins. pay up.'
18:13 mod6 Mr. P., as long as I've known him, doesn't decide things like this.
18:13 asciilifeform rright, but how about when it's mp, rather than 'anyone'.
18:13 mod6 Have you ever known him to do such things?
18:13 asciilifeform mod6: in fact yes. as of 2wk ago.
18:13 mod6 My inner-mp, as bad as it probably is, would probably say, 'What do you take me for?!?'
18:14 asciilifeform when randomly decided that snsa exists for the purpose of isp suicide mission manned by asciilifeform , for instance.
18:14 mod6 He said that you owe him 9000 coins?
18:14 asciilifeform mod6: when said that asciilifeform tricked him, somehow, into eating 7y of 'work that sums to 0.'
18:15 asciilifeform for all i know that's a 900,000 bill, not even 9000.
18:15 mod6 does 'isp suicide mission' mean pizarro, or your own isp you're talking about in the last couple of weeks?
18:15 asciilifeform mine.
18:15 asciilifeform mod6: he wanted to own it, and i said no.
18:15 mod6 Well, as I read, he wanted you to entertain the idea of external investment.
18:16 mod6 Which, we went through this on the Piz thing as well.
18:16 asciilifeform mod6: are you at all puzzled re why i did not entertain it ?
18:17 asciilifeform suppose i had agreed. and then 2wk later mp takes his ball and goes home, as he just did. what is asciilifeform to do w/ the next 10,000 $ megarack bill ?
18:17 mod6 Well, it was to be your venture. If you wanted it to be your own, then that's your choice. I believe the wisdom seems to be thus (I could certainly be wrong here): That the prospect of external investment, from whomever, puts external pressure on the governance of any entity such that they are responsible not only to the customers, but to the investors to make sound choices, and generate a positive r
18:17 mod6 eturn on investment.
18:18 asciilifeform i've made my choice, mod6 . specifically, to cut the maniac's tentacles out of all of my systems.
18:19 mats im very saddened to read that your differences are irreconciliable
18:20 mats i was hoping this was an elaborate roll call
18:20 asciilifeform mats: it aint a dress rehearsal, like '17. 'this is not a drill!'(tm)(r).
18:23 mats as a minority shareholder i do feel some relief that nsa is finally being closed, but i do think the blame is disproportionately allocated to you
18:25 mod6 Anyway, asciilifeform, what I meant as 'must pay', is upon a mutualy agreed upon debt, in the gentlemens way. i.e. you both agree that you owe 0.3 BTC to the man, then just pay that sum and be done with it.
18:26 asciilifeform mod6: ftr i in fact owe him 0.3 ( expect to settle today, finally figured out why my wallet refill tx was wedged, it somehow was set to 0 fee. )
18:27 mod6 Yeah, as a simple reminder, every time you start up TRB, the txfee is set to 0. One must set the fee to something non-zero with the RPC command.
18:27 asciilifeform and after this, mod6 , i expect that asciilifeform and mp are through. ( the auction buyers will still have to say where they want their snsa irons, but this dun require asciilifeform and mp talking. )
18:28 asciilifeform what mod6 might like to know, however, is that asciilifeform aint through. a batch of new FG is happening in '20. trb work will continue -- here. phuctor will stand up 1nce i'm done buying brand new ssd for its machine. ffa will continue -- here. the q is whether mod6 is interested in participating. or would rather rubashov.
18:34 asciilifeform mats: it oughta have closed years ago. but mp liked having a convenient stick to beat asciilifeform with. nao he decided (for all i know, entirely correctly) that he can do w/out 'mad dog engineer' or whatever , and dun need the stick. pretty simple.
18:35 asciilifeform for my part, mats , i can do exactly errything i could do previously, w/out the (imaginary , for any practical purpose) megacoin .
18:36 asciilifeform from nao on, if anyone wants to give asciilifeform coin, it'll have to be for ~existing~ goods & services, and in actual coin on the barrelhead, rather than stocks/promises .
18:37 mats im still hopeful this blows over in a month
18:37 asciilifeform mats: mp aint a liar, he described exactly how will 'blow over'.
18:39 mats do you have orders for the new fg run?
18:39 asciilifeform mats: mp in fact is doing for asciilifeform a quite valuable service, pro bono : he put 'final exam' to determine who is actually interested in supplying ammunition for the war, and who is happy to 'republic of php'.
18:39 asciilifeform mats: no orders , and none will be accepted until crate is here.
18:41 asciilifeform mats: my isp however is live and accepting customers.
18:41 mats maybe its a better idea to buy dpb's inventory
18:42 asciilifeform mats: from where to buy, and what, is b/w buyer and odin.
18:42 mats with respect i dont believe you curating a rack is +ev
18:42 asciilifeform mats: if yer curious, i'm making a small run of the classic fg, and to be followed by the new scintillator-based item.
18:42 asciilifeform mats: it's +ev elementarily cuz i need a rack. for self.
18:43 asciilifeform there is surplus space in it, that is being offered to folx for whom not 'unperson' .
18:43 asciilifeform incl. curation.
18:43 asciilifeform mats: mp wanted a costly, debt-laden rack that would be stuck catering to heathens, and i -- refused.
18:44 mats i still have fg inventory and so does dpb, i dont think its a good allocation of your money when theres no apparent demand
18:44 asciilifeform mats: mp's repossessing the (very modest) inventory in my hands, so elementarily i need a qty for own use. just like the rack.
18:45 mats how many do you need
18:46 mats id be happy to pick up the bills for phuctor btw
18:46 asciilifeform mats: not large #. but , understand, i aint buying back own production at 1000% markup, contrary to mp-reich consensus, asciilifeform aint actually a tard.
18:46 asciilifeform mats: i dun need to beg for pennies, but ty
18:47 mats its not charity, its keeping phuctor online
18:48 asciilifeform mats: it'll stay online . and i expect w/out the traditional erry-2-yrs fallin' down.
18:48 asciilifeform mats: i'ma finally feed in yer collection, too, nao w/ new, large ssd array .
18:49 mats i have five fg id trade for 60% of the fiat value at production
18:49 asciilifeform mats: i'd still rather make new, but ty.
18:49 mats ok
18:49 asciilifeform will helpfully make'em diff colour, too, for folx who are afraid to accidentally end up w/ a unit that wasn't bathed in the holy light of the fuhrer somehow.
18:50 asciilifeform mats: you understand, i need for own needs rng. and i , like rube, signed an idiot agreement that allowed 100% of personal inventory to get repossessed .
18:52 asciilifeform once i cut that tentacle, that's it tho.
18:55 asciilifeform it's about control, mats. and balls kept in working order. so not strictly financial calculus.
18:56 asciilifeform the rack is valuable ( ~to asciilifeform~, possibly to no one else ) because it is ~mine~ and mp has 0 say over it. ditto the 3rd ed. fg.
18:57 asciilifeform sorta like distilled water is moar valuable than tapwater, to the folx buyin' it, it's valuable for what ~aint~ in it.
18:58 asciilifeform for all i know, mp intends to sabotage the old stock before pawning it off to others.
18:59 mats ftr, kako deposited 20btc, withdrew 670, the confiscated balance isnt in the logs
19:00 asciilifeform mats: iirc the withdrawal was not processed.
19:00 asciilifeform at any rate, i'm complicit in that warcrime -- saw kako as scumbag and said 0 .
19:01 mats and the confiscation followed an attempt to convince davout mp's funds for house bets belonged to kako
19:01 asciilifeform mats: right, matches my memory
19:01 asciilifeform i agreed w/ the verdict .
19:02 asciilifeform ever read 'darkness at noon', mats ? i recommend .
19:02 snsabot Logged on 2019-11-04 00:25:41 asciilifeform: meanwhile, for the literature-inclined, a. koestler's 'darkness at noon' is imho an a+++ work re the earlier subj. ( a 1940 yarn about a slightly-dumber asciilifeform . )
19:04 mats i still think kako was at fault, even if the canary was negligent it still goes on the books
19:05 asciilifeform to my shame, mats, i hated kako 'ethnically' , i.e. saw him as unprincipled 'all about the coin' fella. rather like what i nao think of mp .
19:06 asciilifeform nao i'm curious re whether principled folx even exist.
19:07 * diana_coman shudders.
19:07 davout mats: this happened after the liquidation of bitbet's assets & liabilities, specifically when the mpex asset was taken down
19:07 davout (see http://fr.anco.is/2016/04/bitbet-receivership-third-progress-report)
19:08 asciilifeform diana_coman: asciilifeform for instance. is principled ? or insane ? what do you think ?
19:09 diana_coman insanely principled works.
19:09 * asciilifeform will buy.
19:09 diana_coman as does principly insane though I stumble on English grammar there.
19:10 diana_coman onth MP really is principled and that's all I'll say.
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19:28 asciilifeform diana_coman: btw imho erryone oughta make fg w/ own hands. thought this in '16 and still do.
19:29 diana_coman asciilifeform: yes, except I have only 2 hands and about 100001 things to make with them.
19:30 asciilifeform asciilifeform -- also.
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