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00:01 asciilifeform << see e.g.
00:01 dulapbot Logged on 2022-04-11 19:14:31 jonsykkel: << im curious about this idea, wat does sending below noise floor mean? would think the transmission must raise some band of the noise floor by a litle bit for receiver to able able to see
00:01 dulapbot (trilema) 2017-06-17 asciilifeform: idea of pll is that you can indeed see a lit match from mile away in daylight if you know 'exactly when to look'
00:01 dulapbot (trilema) 2017-06-17 asciilifeform: concept is usually taught in re radio but applies just as readily in optics -- say, the common infrared remote button
00:03 asciilifeform and 'in some band' is very broad concept. yer vacuum cleaner transmits in same band.
00:03 dulapbot Logged on 2022-03-31 23:51:52 asciilifeform: yer transmitting right nao, when you flip yer light switch.
00:05 asciilifeform << in asciilifeform's cosmography, litmus for 'genuine human' aint pediwikian.'knowledge' but 'doing things'
00:05 dulapbot Logged on 2022-04-11 19:48:56 verisimilitude: He seemed to know quite a bit about Project Xanadu.
00:07 asciilifeform << imho sinful, aha, encourages 'hey i'm not ~these~ morons, i'm 313337!11' thinking
00:07 dulapbot Logged on 2022-04-11 19:27:08 signpost: verisimilitude: also stop reading HN; it's bad for you.
00:07 asciilifeform 'if yer reading it, it's for you!'(tm)(r)(c)(tlp)
00:08 asciilifeform << indeed. 'blacklist' often enuff can even have with simply telco-provided commands. 'whitelist' afaik only in 'smart' pnojes + a coupla early 2000s models
00:08 dulapbot Logged on 2022-04-11 19:38:09 verisimilitude: On the topic of a phone whitelist, I recall finding it odd to hear of blacklisting functionality, but no corresponding whitelist functionality; they truly lack such?
00:09 asciilifeform 'blacklist' is 100% worthless, all current-day spammers have access to inexhaustible supply of disposable #s.
00:09 asciilifeform otoh whitelist makes for an actually-usable-with-ringer-enabled phone.
00:11 signpost this has a do-not-disturb with "favorites" still permitted to buzz.
00:11 asciilifeform is how e.g. ipnoje's whitelist worx
00:13 asciilifeform << wtf even was this??
00:13 dulapbot Logged on 2022-04-11 19:23:55 verisimilitude: Why won't idiots like you use TLS, as enlightened people do? TLS is easy and makes no trouble for anyone using it correctly. It's not as if the treadmill will consume the runner. Get with the times.
00:13 asciilifeform << hmm, it doesn't mount as usb disk or enumerate as 'cdc' modem for slip/ppp ?
00:13 dulapbot Logged on 2022-04-11 19:23:53 signpost: grunting out the list of kernel modules necessary to tether with it atm.
00:16 phf verisimilitude: here's a script for you. it'll dump hackernews/lobsters links into terminal, saving dupes. it also does direct connection, so if your dns maps hackernews/lobsters to it will still dial no problem
00:17 phf in before "i read it for the comments", in which case god help you
00:20 asciilifeform phf: hm, in what is this?
00:20 signpost asciilifeform: probably does; I run kernels with module loading off, and only modules actually needed, so currently shitting "default" modules back out, then will see what's in lsmod and build those in.
00:21 asciilifeform a
00:21 * signpost hasn't tethered a phone in this manner from linux in a while, was using iPhone's wifi previously.
00:23 * asciilifeform last dealt with subj in '15 huawei experiment. worked a++
00:23 dulapbot (trilema) 2015-08-18 ascii_field: (to date i have not been able to source any but huawei which does this)
00:25 asciilifeform ( thing even exposed a pcm device for audio calls, and 'hayes modem' workalike /dev/ttyACMx for dialing. built a spamatron for lulz )
00:25 dulapbot (trilema) 2015-08-18 ascii_field: their usb dongles, at least the ones i tested, can even make/receive voice calls
00:26 asciilifeform sadly rip (in asciilifeform's locale, at least), was '2g'-only (theoretically '3g', but only chinese band)
00:27 asciilifeform never found a modern replacement that had the voice knob
00:28 phf asciilifeform: it's Go. i'm not ashamed. i've replaced a lot of my python hacks with go
00:29 * asciilifeform had bought several of the huaweis for 'what baud can get over compressed shitvoice on pnoje for hypothetical ciphered voice link' yrs ago
00:29 asciilifeform phf: a
00:29 * asciilifeform not tried
00:29 * asciilifeform 1st thought 'tcl' lol
00:31 phf it is yet another language. i suspect there's going to be at least 30 more before i die
00:31 verisimilitude There's an RSS interface, phf.
00:32 asciilifeform phf: right. not had occasion to use (it's a quite gnarly install, and so far not had to run anyffin in it)
00:32 asciilifeform i dun have cobol on this box either lol
00:33 phf verisimilitude: is it a firehose of all new links? i basically don't care, i'm just recreating the "check front page" experience, without having to touch the shit sites
00:33 verisimilitude I believe there are multiple.
00:33 verisimilitude This program wasn't written just for me, was it?
00:34 verisimilitude
00:34 phf verisimilitude: no, it's a recovery mutual support. first step is ...
00:35 verisimilitude I'm glad time wasn't so callously wasted on me, then.
00:35 verisimilitude I appreciate it, but don't need it, phf.
00:35 phf verisimilitude: virgin official interface user VS chad front page scrapper
00:35 asciilifeform lol
00:35 verisimilitude I already have a nice RSS client.
00:36 verisimilitude I don't use it, however, because I know Hacker News is a waste of time to make more efficient.
00:36 * asciilifeform reminded of mp's 'meat searcher' perlism
00:36 phf verisimilitude: oh, i understand how addiction works. you're welcome to come to the meetings whenever you're ready friend. one day at time!
00:36 signpost this is why I got the dumbphone.
00:36 verisimilitude I'm addicted to coffee, but not Hacker News.
00:36 signpost way too easy to check prices of whatver, see what the latest doom is on zerohedge, etc.
00:37 verisimilitude I don't own a phone.
00:37 asciilifeform a++
00:37 phf the perk of hikikomori lifestyle
00:37 verisimilitude I realized years ago, a normal person used his phone more than I used even my laptops.
00:37 phf i end up using phone whenever i travel, particularly to russia. banking, taxi, etc. all done with phones
00:38 verisimilitude I've had some of my best ideas, because I was bored and waiting, and had to think like a human being instead of using a phone.
00:38 phf signpost: parental controls! just disable everything you don't want to use through parental controls and get your wife to set the code. works great.
00:38 signpost yeah, I'm gonna keep the glass rectangle, pop SIM in that for travel.
00:39 asciilifeform in usa, hypothetically could buy e.g. trucks, cement, summon mexicans, w/out a phone. but tricky
00:40 signpost phf: eh, I like the project of removing useless options I'm on.
00:40 * signpost recently got a 100W JVC receiver that doesn't have bluetooth, doesn't have usb, doesn't have...
00:40 signpost sounds great, plays my fucking records, has aux in. it was $100.
00:41 signpost got an iPod next to it with 800gb of music.
00:41 * asciilifeform was earlier today in shop where gramophone, 1921. w/ record. wound up, played. no aux in tho lol
00:42 signpost haha, even more peaceful.
00:42 asciilifeform 'volume control' was a set of wooden shutters
00:42 asciilifeform (over the cabinet)
00:42 signpost consider heidegger's "ready to hand" concept for tools. jesus christ, what a "smartphone" is.
00:42 phf i've routed everything to the server at this point. i.e. music plays from a 10T freebsd backup
00:42 asciilifeform nifty
00:42 phf projector in the living room likewise
00:43 signpost yeah, got the mpd setup here too. but the iPod's nice for the stereo and vehicle.
00:43 phf house planner aka mp-wp also
00:43 * asciilifeform has a similar thingie for films etc. nfs mount on racked diskatron
00:43 asciilifeform /mnt/warez heh
00:45 signpost smartphone's some kind of horrible imposter tool which "but, didn't you want to saw instead of hammer? or perhaps watch videos of others sawing, or if not, videos of..."
00:45 phf signpost: yeah i agree, girl bought me an ipod (the glass one) with 128G storage. she said she had a long back and forth with sales at apple store "you don't need so much space" "yes i do" "no you don't" etc.
00:45 asciilifeform 'hey you wanted to saw? but maybe instead would like someone to shit in yer face?? maybe? sure that not?'
00:45 signpost sanding my life down to a few specific-purpose tools, and gaining a lot of mental quiet.
00:46 phf i mean all you need is a wrench, a skill saw and an m1 garand.
00:47 signpost got a rusty mosin-nagant, does that count?
00:47 asciilifeform '1 mosin for 3!'(tm)
00:48 asciilifeform oblig.
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01:15 verisimilitude I thought of this again. My first thought was ``He brags about the logotron for some reason.'' but ever since I read that, I've noticed absolutely nowhere else allows me to reference a past fragment so easily, sans WWW forums.
01:15 dulapbot Logged on 2022-03-31 19:50:35 asciilifeform: aaha, is interesting how ~nobody even has a reliably logged chat
01:15 asciilifeform verisimilitude: observe that asciilifeform's wasn't 1st, or even 2nd logotron in the dynasty
01:15 verisimilitude It's unsettling to notice how terrible other chats are.
01:16 * asciilifeform in fact wrote it in coupla days when phf's broke while he was in hospital
01:16 verisimilitude It would be like eating with a fork, and noticing no one else is.
01:17 verisimilitude What are his health problems?
01:17 asciilifeform verisimilitude: fondness for skiing lol
01:18 asciilifeform ( at least wasn't hand-gliding eh )
01:18 verisimilitude Alright.
01:20 asciilifeform thread
01:20 dulapbot (trilema) 2019-08-26 phf: well, i slipped at some point and landed badly into a kind of brush covered fallen tree stump
01:20 phf some damage that one might shrug off while one is young or in peak health ought not to be ignored so freely when one comes of age or is in otherwise compromised state :o
01:21 * asciilifeform not expected to still use that logotron in '22, lol
01:22 asciilifeform various folx helped to make it moar or less tolerable, tho, so, still in service.
01:22 asciilifeform !q uptime
01:22 dulapbot asciilifeform: time since my last reconnect : 299d 22h 19m
01:23 asciilifeform bot also worx ^ ok
01:23 * asciilifeform wrote bot in same coupla d.
01:23 asciilifeform bot virtually unchanged since orig. release
01:23 asciilifeform there simply aint much to it
01:24 verisimilitude I've ``deployed'' one sh program, my Gopher server, and I recall seeing in its logs line noise trying to break it. I thought so: ``Haha, they're trying to break this like some shitty sh program. Oh wait.''
01:24 asciilifeform lol
01:24 phf i probably should've rewritten the bot from cl-irc to raw afer i moved to sbcl, because i could never get it to be particularly reliable
01:25 asciilifeform iirc signpost did rebake his similarly
01:25 asciilifeform !!uptime
01:25 asciilifeform hm
01:25 asciilifeform !!help
01:25 deedbot
01:26 verisimilitude I solved the insanity issue by writing it as a pipeline that never lets the data into a variable; even then, I learned xargs and others interpret some characters specially, and had to correct it.
01:27 verisimilitude That's my program I expected to replace years ago.
~ 40 minutes ~
02:07 * asciilifeform perma-soured on 'write nontrivial proggy in sh'
02:07 asciilifeform it's a 'turing tarpit'.
02:09 asciilifeform ( not to mention, ~errybody's 'sh' is actually bash-only )
02:09 dulapbot Logged on 2020-03-09 20:55:31 asciilifeform: ftr i'm not entirely satisfied w/ the shell-around-peh gpg verifier -- was unable to make it run on generic 'sh' rather than 'bash', and by all indications impossible (raw 'sh' dun seem to support arrays at all)
02:10 asciilifeform sh, perlism, pythonism, 'must die'(tm) imho.
02:10 dulapbot Logged on 2022-03-17 13:41:46 asciilifeform: mangol: what's imho needed is a fully 'autarkik' scripting lang, which sucks in 0 shitlibs and runs, like 'M', on any extant pc iron under all linuxen from past ~15y
02:14 verisimilitude I agree. The entire process is deciding whether a construct will maim the user or not in specific cases.
02:14 asciilifeform verisimilitude: general symptomology of ill-designed softs -- 'bus with 4 brake pedals'
02:16 asciilifeform ( and see also . )
02:21 verisimilitude Dennis Ritchie invents a powerful gun that shoots both forward and backward simultaneously. Not satisfied with the number of deaths and permanent maimings from that invention he invents C and Unix.
~ 1 hours 2 minutes ~
03:23 verisimilitude The logs only mention ``unicorn'' four times, and only once in the context of a mythical animal; we should discuss them more often.
~ 17 minutes ~
03:40 signpost << came up as emulated usb ethernet device once I enabled the correct modules. (cdc and usb gadget-related)
03:40 dulapbot Logged on 2022-04-11 20:12:42 asciilifeform: << hmm, it doesn't mount as usb disk or enumerate as 'cdc' modem for slip/ppp ?
03:42 signpost thanks for pointing me at "cdc".
03:43 signpost getting 2-3mbps through the thing with a crappy signal where I sit, entirely livable.
03:44 signpost avg 58ms ping
03:57 asciilifeform notbad
03:57 asciilifeform signpost: ~same bw as old pnoje ?
03:58 asciilifeform signpost: if relying on pnojeistic connection for stationary net, asciilifeform recs to get dedicated gsm-to-ethernet pump. mine -- old 'cradlepoint', worx a++
03:59 asciilifeform thing eats 2 simcards even, knows how to fallback
04:00 asciilifeform ( and unlike just about any recent pnoje, has coax jacks for roof antennae )
~ 2 hours ~
06:01 signpost ah yep, believe I've seen those used for fallback credit card processing at restaurants.
06:01 signpost old pnoje was faster, had 5g. this guy's lte only, and I don't get a good lte signal in my house on tmobile.
06:02 signpost I've still got the gig cable connection for stationary, using this for my new mobile setup.
06:04 signpost seems like it'll be entirely adequate, will probably get a 5g usb card for the laptop when not.
06:05 signpost has two SIM slots to boot, which is kinda nice.
06:05 signpost also lol, is "mudila" "asshole" in RU?
06:06 * signpost afk til morn
~ 8 hours 18 minutes ~
14:24 mangol << many of the feelings expressed today are likely physically impossible to have. leftists get status points for exaggerating their feelings so they do that a lot.
14:24 bitbot Logged on 2022-04-11 23:27:14 signpost: "I'm sad guys, and I don't even know how to handle the emotion."
14:26 mangol my theory is that "I don't even know how to handle the emotion" style status-points hunting may have lead to some % of the present explosion in trans cases
14:27 mangol people lose track of the difference between which of their feelings are genuine and which are mocked up for display
14:28 mangol feeling like a girl is high status, and provides convenient escape from trials and tribulations of manhood -> suddenly every feeling of weakness becomes a "girly" feeling
14:30 mangol << asciilifeform: can you recommend some essential posts by rosov, and a good ru->en machine translator?
14:30 dulapbot Logged on 2021-09-29 20:14:01 asciilifeform: ftr asciilifeform is partial to alex rosov's cosmography, which offers a hypothesis explaining the demise not only of bell labs but of parc etc.
14:31 shinohai Hey if leftys want to saw off their tweeters and pretend to be women, have at it! This is simply evolution @ work and eventually removes such from the gene pool.
14:31 shinohai $vwap
14:31 busybot The 24-Hour VWAP for BTC is $ 40220.75 USD
14:35 asciilifeform mangol: unfortunately afaik there aint a good mechatranslator for ru->en
14:35 asciilifeform ( can try google's but it reliably emits hilarious lulz )
14:43 asciilifeform << there's a lengthy epidemiological history there
14:43 dulapbot Logged on 2022-04-12 10:25:09 mangol: my theory is that "I don't even know how to handle the emotion" style status-points hunting may have lead to some % of the present explosion in trans cases
14:43 dulapbot Logged on 2021-05-02 15:04:06 asciilifeform: trinque: imho moar interesting. the skoptzy (folx in question; old slavic term for autocastrators) were following an internally consistent, if undocumented, logic
14:44 asciilifeform ( one engl. summary of subj)
~ 37 minutes ~
15:21 mangol "Later, the sectarians started interpreting even innocent excerpts from the Bible in their favor: for example, that Christ, after having washed his apostles' feet, also castrated them."
~ 43 minutes ~
16:05 mangol asciilifeform: if i machine-translate some of rosov's posts and edit toward fluent english as much as i can, would you be willing to polish the translations?
16:06 asciilifeform mangol: possibly. tho quite pressed for time currently
16:06 mangol no rush
16:06 mangol how many posts would you say are essential?
16:07 asciilifeform mangol: fella was rather prolix, rather than '1 post per subj' unfortunately
16:08 mangol one of those writers who are constantly going off on a tangent?
16:13 asciilifeform mangol: not so much, simply fond of n-part series
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