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01:44 thestringpuller asciilifeform: << money is always involved in emergent gameplay which is the back bone of virtual economies (see: Eve Online) - i think it feels more fair if the coinflip of the determination of an outcome can truly be called "random" vs say the lazy shuffle of a deck of cards
01:44 dulapbot Logged on 2021-07-08 12:58:36 asciilifeform: thestringpuller: there's ~0 advantage from using an iron rng (and a slow one) in a game imho.
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09:24 punkman went swimming yesterday, sea was rough, now I read man drowned 500m from where I was
09:28 kakobrekla you just doxed yourself :)
09:31 punkman don't have seekrit location anyway
09:31 punkman
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13:40 punkman
13:41 punkman
13:48 PeterL punkman: what are these links?
13:54 punkman portable fpga device and something about it's trng
13:56 shinohai Also nice link to novel use of scopolamine in the wild.
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14:14 asciilifeform punkman: i recall that box, an earlier variant was hyped during #ba days even. gotta love how author uses word 'open' with straight face to talk about a box which runs on a supersize xilinx, for instance.
14:14 dulapbot Logged on 2019-12-27 16:12:02 asciilifeform: amberglint: the huang fella is a вредитель , likely sponsored directly by the enemy. consider: with what it cost to bake his shitware to date, one could easily order a properly-open fpga made from 0. but instead he pushes xilinx's.
14:14 asciilifeform ... not to mention that it 'needs' one so that it can run systemdized linux w/ multiGB liquishit.
14:15 asciilifeform punkman: his rng article also lulzy, where he shits out kilometre of sophistry to pretend that he aint whitening
14:16 asciilifeform 'death by thousand cuts' of gratuitous complexity; iirc he even has 'rust' in there somewhere.
14:16 asciilifeform shinohai: scopalomine & relateds have been used for at least a century in exactly the format described
14:16 punkman it's gonna run their Rust OS not linux, I think
14:17 asciilifeform shinohai: in sovok such thieves were sometimes known as 'chemists'
14:17 asciilifeform punkman: even lulzier, a++
14:17 punkman it's precursor to which will be some sort of wifi messaging device
14:18 punkman and since it's super-secure, why don't you put your bitcoin wallet in it
14:18 punkman something along those lines
14:18 asciilifeform let'em put.
14:20 shinohai asciilifeform: Here I had been misuing the shit all along in order to make girls into stepford wives for 12 hours.
14:20 * asciilifeform still, nearly 5y after FG release, and 7+y since started serious work on rngs, entertained by the studious avoidance of the 'open sores' types of the approaches which actually work and don't require 8cores of GHz cpu running GBs of whatever braindamage
14:21 asciilifeform shinohai: sounds moar like chemical warfare than 'fun dope'. but to each his own i suppose
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15:21 thestringpuller i take it asciilifeform not a fan of arduino even for education?
15:22 asciilifeform thestringpuller: i dun have anyffin against it, there are at least 3 controlling various mechanisms in asciilifeform's torture room, it's a cheap rubbish board
15:23 asciilifeform thestringpuller: it's just a breakout board for 'atmega'
15:23 asciilifeform what's the connection to upstack ?
15:24 thestringpuller asciilifeform: personally trying to learn more hardware now; i may misunderstand your question.
15:25 asciilifeform thestringpuller: i mean, why the q about arduino ?
15:26 thestringpuller loose link in my brain reading upstream about FPGA in logs
15:26 asciilifeform thestringpuller: 0 relation
15:27 thestringpuller to you :)
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15:43 asciilifeform thestringpuller: arduinism is used for quick&dirty things, like this kvm remote.
15:47 asciilifeform ^ in this picture, simply a box that shits 4 hardcoded strings outta rs232 port
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17:03 punkman I've seen how arduinoism in education. Students rarely learn how to code even the simplest thing, just copy-paste and shithub.
17:05 punkman Precursor seems like it'd be fun to play with, but at $500, meh
17:07 punkman the risc-v folks actually shipped some boards
17:07 punkman (kinda doing the rounds on my old open sores hardware bookmarks)
17:18 asciilifeform punkman: cut-and-pastaism is what now passes for 'programming' among the redditus.
17:18 dulapbot Logged on 2021-07-08 15:28:35 asciilifeform: hey why not automate the usual 'indian coad' generation process, where morons cut&pasta from shithub.
17:18 asciilifeform as for 'precursor', why thefuq would i buy a 500$ xilinx devboard. already sitting on a tall pile of same, of erry conceivable kind.
17:19 shinohai << ATmega328 + uLisp = <3
17:19 dulapbot Logged on 2021-07-09 11:23:21 asciilifeform: thestringpuller: it's just a breakout board for 'atmega'
17:19 asciilifeform ( e.g. this one )
17:22 asciilifeform punkman: re: 'sifive' -- imho not all that much moar bang-for-buck than, say, rk -- but 14x the price!
17:22 dulapbot Logged on 2020-12-21 21:09:17 asciilifeform: 'Once development pc meant cheap hardware, no frills, where the manufacturer most of the time sold it below price so that it could be adopted and tested by as many people as possible. Now it’s completely the opposite: this hardware is sold at crazy prices and bought most of the time by people who will keep it in a museum.'
17:22 dulapbot Logged on 2020-12-21 20:55:12 asciilifeform: 'unmatched' would make a rather spiffy replacement, imho, for rk -- if not for the fact that it costs like 14 rk's...
17:23 punkman asciilifeform: "SymbiFlow is a fully open source toolchain for the development of FPGAs of multiple vendors." << you know where they are hiding the blob?
17:23 asciilifeform ( their process also questionable )
17:23 dulapbot (trilema) 2016-08-14 asciilifeform: in other noose, a new ( to me at least ) type of scamola : << metallization mask level (minor tweaks to EXISTING design) thing, which dates to the late 1980s even, fraudulently being pushed now as 'custom silicon for all', lulzy.
17:24 asciilifeform punkman: in xilinx's vlsi, i.e. they encourage the use of xilinx-proprietary on-die periphs, if you want to port such design to e.g. ice40 or own silicon, nodice
17:24 dulapbot Logged on 2020-08-22 12:39:34 asciilifeform: << a fpga was originally ('80s) precisely 'bag of LUTs.' the 'let's include 9000 undocumented periphs and license out the closed turds to drive'em' biz model came in '90s.
17:25 * asciilifeform not tried, actually, 'symbiflow', may have other 'fun surprises' in store
17:25 asciilifeform did use 'yosys' for ice40; mostly worx
17:26 punkman "Step 1:
17:26 punkman Install Vivado 2017.2" << guessing it's this Vivado item
17:26 asciilifeform pffff
17:26 asciilifeform then again, iirc 'xray' was a reversing suite
17:27 asciilifeform so makes sense, you start w/ the turdware and proceed
17:27 punkman yeah
17:28 asciilifeform the problem w/ that kinda thing (aside from xilinx lockin re periphs , already mentioned) is this.
17:28 dulapbot (trilema) 2018-07-19 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc we had a thread re this ; the gnarl is roughly similar to xilinx reversing ( they switch chip revisions erry quarter or so, by the time a card is ~acceptably reversed , it is long out of print )
17:29 asciilifeform i.e. even adequately reversed xilinx turd aint a substitute for the missing 'soup of LUTs' large homogeneous fpga.
17:36 bonechewer Maybe I am overconfident, but I fail to see how the adversary could compromise a device using a Xilinx FPGA as long as its designer did not use the Xilinx proprietary tools nor on-chip blobs
17:36 asciilifeform bonechewer: moar or less impossible to do ~anything w/ a large (i.e. fpga, rather than cpld) xilinx w/out the onchip blobs
17:36 asciilifeform bonechewer: is less about compromise of finished device, and moar about lock-in
17:38 * bonechewer is willing to live with vendor lock-in if that is the only price of a device that doesn't allow compromise of the product using it
17:38 asciilifeform (on top of this, the usefully large xilinxen sell for ~weight in diamonds)
17:39 bonechewer still costs less than building one's own fab to create homogeneous sea-of-LUTs FPGA
17:39 asciilifeform bonechewer: there nuffin magic about making a comp outta fpga -- if you use your $1000 xilinx to emulate a pentium and run poetteringware on it, you get compromised in exactly same way as a derp who bought a 'dell'
17:39 bonechewer of course!
17:40 asciilifeform (this point seems to be lost on some folx)
17:40 * bonechewer has no interest in building CPU out of FPGA, but likes the idea of implementing e.g. USB SuperSpeed in one rather than using a potentially compromised ASIC
17:41 asciilifeform the ideal usecase for fpga is to turn $device into a non-vonneumann item which doesn't need software or an os at all and still does $job.
17:42 asciilifeform bonechewer: if you're looking for a (slow) usb stack for fpga, actually exists, i tested on ice40
17:42 dulapbot (trilema) 2019-04-21 asciilifeform: in entirely unrelated heathen lulz : asciilifeform found an -- apparently working -- usb 'serial device' stack for ice40 . only eats 1/3 of the LUTs in the '8k', too.
17:42 asciilifeform worx well enuff for 1MB/s
17:42 bonechewer That is a laudable goal, but I just want to not have to rely on enemy PHY for USB or bluetooth chip
17:43 asciilifeform bonechewer: subj.
17:44 asciilifeform bonechewer: keep in mind that 'enemy phy' is only a problem if you give it dma.
17:44 asciilifeform (and yes this is how they're ~typically~ connected to host, but no one forces you)
17:44 asciilifeform at the same time it's nice not to need separate ic for usbism
17:45 * asciilifeform used a simplified variant of linked piece for his unreleased ice40 FG remake
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18:19 davout <<< the point is that there is no path dependance for bitcoin to survive. if for two weeks no one is available to move gold around, because there's war on the streets, that doesn't make gold go away in puff of smoke by not being transferable for some amount of time
18:19 dulapbot Logged on 2021-07-08 07:51:54 kakobrekla: on another note, davout, your argument about 500 years of bitcoin inactivity ... i dont like it. LN cant save you and if you do not have the potential to move coin avaliable at hand, its as useless as nfts.
18:20 davout the example would probably work better with "2 weeks" instead of "500 years", i'll grant you that
18:21 asciilifeform davout: there's a slightly different problem, in the proverbial war.
18:21 dulapbot (trilema) 2014-05-01 asciilifeform: basic course on russian privatization. 'your formerly state-issued flat is now yours. you are a millionaire!' - 'neato. but my salary hasn't been paid in a year. gotta buy something to eat. what does dinner cost?' - 'half a million.'
18:22 asciilifeform ( see also )
18:22 dulapbot Logged on 2020-08-13 20:46:45 asciilifeform: in train to auschwitz, glass of water cost exactly 1 gold watch.
18:22 davout not sure how that relates?
18:23 asciilifeform effects of 'oops, ww3, can't tx for a while'
18:25 * asciilifeform suspects that the exch rate would in fact move if no one could tx for a yr or 2, and consist even ~more~ overwhelmingly of papercoin by weight
18:25 dulapbot Logged on 2020-05-05 19:59:44 asciilifeform: as a rule, they're entirely happy to buy promisecoin, so can 'leverage' and 'play'.
18:25 dulapbot Logged on 2021-07-07 15:11:54 asciilifeform: embrace&extinguish bitcoin; often enuff not even operates w/ actual tx, but with paper surrogates.
18:25 asciilifeform davout: this is of course ~not~ equivalent to the lunacy in earlier linked article, where 'ohnoez bitcoin needs a working net 24/7/365'
18:26 davout yes
18:27 asciilifeform a downed net would likely produce an interesting 'footrace' to spend, when stands back up, morons and folx under duress will share privkeys
18:35 davout a downed net would probably result in tons of folks firing up miners
18:36 davout depends what you mean by 'net' i suppose
18:37 asciilifeform davout: hypothetical calamity that takes out large % of global net
18:39 asciilifeform yes, fire up miners -- but, say, with massively fragged hash rate, good setup for forklet war and reorgs of lengths previously thought impossible
18:40 * asciilifeform astonished that to this day no one (afaik) set up shortwave for block propagation
18:45 asciilifeform ... hypothetically would even be +ev for a miner to set up shortwave mast -- throw a wrench into the cartel which (where 'chainlets' of cartel-mined blocks outcompete slowly-propagating singles by outsiders)
18:46 asciilifeform ( granted, would have to be something other than 'small change' miner, who somehow not yet in cartel )
18:47 davout asciilifeform i see such a massive network partition, where 1mb blocks couldn't propagate every 10 minutes, very very unlikely
18:47 davout and even more unlikely that it would persist at all
18:47 asciilifeform davout: didn't say it was likely, lol
18:47 asciilifeform but can picture scenario where plausible.
18:48 davout do elaborate
18:49 asciilifeform davout: say, hypothetical war where naval fibers cut and 'satellite scrubber' fired.
18:49 dulapbot (trilema) 2017-04-22 asciilifeform: << see uncle al's orbital scrubber ( 1000kg ea. of ball bearings and tnt )
18:50 davout i wouldn't give it 24h before someone sets up a hamradio bridge
18:50 * asciilifeform wouldn't be astonished if it turned out to be the case that fibers already mined 'in advance'
18:51 asciilifeform davout: possibly. tho, tricker than it appears.
18:57 shinohai Folx already do the GoTenna/Meshnet bitcoin thing though certainly not under wartime conditions.
18:58 asciilifeform shinohai: wasn't that a shortrange thing ?
18:58 shinohai Yeah and as exists mostly confined to USSA/EU
19:00 shinohai Map: (WARNING: bad javascript)
19:01 shinohai So if you're in Niger during the apocalypse, single dude with a car battery got ur back.
19:01 asciilifeform shinohai: from this map you can already see 'over 9000' clusters considerably farther apart than the nominal range of the thing
19:02 asciilifeform today, very easy to pretend that bitcoin is properly decentralized, and that it doesn't matter that %% of hash is in mongolia
19:04 mats have you seen the diff recently? lol
19:05 asciilifeform mats: as a matter of fact i admit that have not, i look mebbe erry yr at most
19:05 mats miners have been exiled from the mainland
19:05 mats biggest diff change ever
19:05 asciilifeform mats: right, i recall ( mats linked ) , moved iirc across border into mongolia proper ?
19:07 asciilifeform asciilifeform's point, tho, remains, the miners (concentrated where cheap mains current for whatever reason) and 'txers' largely live on opposite sides of planet
19:08 mats miners report going to places like kazakhstan, usa etc
19:08 asciilifeform last i knew, usa was only remotely +ev for miner if he can pilfer, somehow, the amperage
19:09 mats pnw has lots of surplus power, for a long time
19:09 * asciilifeform once attempted to 'colo' a 4u miner thing for a phriend, in an office he was leasing with 'all you can eat' mains. blew the (19th c, possibly) breaker.
19:10 mats and hydropower sources in other areas
19:10 asciilifeform if so -- then could !
19:10 asciilifeform 'make it great again'(tm)(r)(c)
19:10 mats huk
19:12 mats
19:13 mats interesting arb of 'stranded energy' in nat gas flares or however that works
19:14 asciilifeform mats: was linked last yr aha
19:14 dulapbot Logged on 2020-12-17 10:36:49 billymg: << re: mining (de)centralization, there are at least two north american companies selling gas powered bitcoin miners to oil fields:
19:15 asciilifeform mats: i admit that i initially dismissed 'china expulsion' as disinfo, thought 'they ain't stupid'
19:16 mats beijing sure milked it for what it was worth
19:17 mats didn't they have like a full year ahead of any us operators?
19:17 mats asics manufacture and then deployment
19:19 asciilifeform mats: right, no one cancelled the chinese monopoly on the gear
19:19 * asciilifeform expects it'll continue
19:25 mats hopefully the increased economic interest will deter or minimise any national level legislation or executive action against bitcoining
19:25 mats (in usa)
19:25 * asciilifeform still surprised that no one (afaik, again) built 'cable box' miners. wouldn't even have to be surreptitious -- simply have it eat rsa-signed broadcasts, and shit out result in such a way that only vendor can make use (will omit the maffs, but not difficult) -- buyer of box feeds it mains current at own expense, and payment
19:25 dulapbot (trilema) 2015-05-13 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: burn their houses down how? these won't be packaged as traditional miners, recall. it'll be in cable boxes, etc. that folks get 1 or 2 of
19:26 * asciilifeform is in the form of potential 'lottery' payout to addr he specifies.
19:26 asciilifeform ... then 100% decentralized physical infrastructure, but asic manufacture monopolist remains 'winner'
19:26 mats i'm also very curious what the americans plan to do, if anything, about cryptodollar proliferation
19:27 mats or, for that matter, what other nations plan to do about cryptodollarisation within their borders
19:30 mats in other stale news, perpetual trusts are back in black
19:33 mats securing physical boxes against owners is hard, i imagine thats why
19:34 asciilifeform mats: cracking the box only +ev if a) cheap/physically simple and/or b) shared key makes all of'em edible once 1 is popped
19:35 asciilifeform if neither a nor b -- then scheme +ev for irons maker.
19:36 asciilifeform there's 0 particular reason why all '9000' units gotta have shared key. antifuse unique keys into individual dies.
19:36 asciilifeform let owner decap if he wants, take picture, hang on wall.
19:37 asciilifeform << lizards pay 0 tax, 'news at 11'...
19:37 dulapbot Logged on 2021-07-09 15:30:04 mats: in other stale news, perpetual trusts are back in black
19:38 asciilifeform ( mp summarized this imho correctly -- 'who pays tax' is how you distinguish b/w plebes and lizards )
19:38 mats pretty interesting if anyone is curious about this stuff. 'here are now eight states that have abolished or substantially eviscerated the Rule Against Perpetuities: Alaska, Arizona, Delaware, Idaho, Illinois, Maryland, South Dakota and Wisconsin.'
19:40 mats wyoming has also been pioneering a lot of btc related legislation, so if youre a foreigner looking to hide assets from your gov, maybe take a look
19:42 mats
19:42 asciilifeform mats: as in example of china, potentially interesting is 'what the crown gives, can later take away', today's 'friendly jurisdiction' is tomorrow's 'nope'
19:42 mats yeah, everyone with any money heard about the ICIJ and their pesky journos
19:43 mats turnt out the british spiderweb and all the other monkeys are subordinate sovereigns
19:43 mats but no one cancelled monopolies on violence, and somebody's got to protect your mineral rights ;/
19:44 asciilifeform mats: the panama scandal ? how much diff did it even make to the 'victims' ? any lost their dough ?
19:44 asciilifeform i'd expect simply carried on exactly like before.
19:45 asciilifeform ( and it was rather well known, asciilifeform heard about it despite not 'having money' )
19:46 asciilifeform simply, these make 0 diff, so what of it, today shell co's in panama, tomorrow in jersey, lizard doesn't even need to personally push any buttons to move it, servants do it
19:46 punkman lulzy
19:46 punkman "For more than seven years, I’ve joined hundreds of reporters from around the world on many of ICIJ’s most iconic financial investigations from Swiss Leaks to the Panama Papers to West Africa Leaks to the FinCEN Files."
19:47 punkman iconic
19:47 punkman I can't even
19:47 asciilifeform punkman: 'money laundering' , like 'insider trading', 'corruption', is a reich.crime -- i.e. when wrong people do it, 'crime', when 'proper' lizards -- 'biz as usual'
19:47 asciilifeform this -- elementary
19:47 asciilifeform neither bitcoin nor shitcoin nor 100y passage of time made a fuck of a dent in it.
19:48 mats i'm struggling to source a comprehensive hitlist, but here's canada
19:49 mats >Other countries have, however, filed tax-evasion charges, secured convictions and recouped hundreds of millions of dollars in taxes from information found in the Panama Papers.
19:49 mats some old guy
19:49 punkman yeah it was a thing in Greece too iirc
19:50 punkman don't think anyone got fined/punished though
19:50 asciilifeform mats: makes sense, oughta have expected some small-change people in the list would get hammered
19:50 asciilifeform (always need 'ablative coating' of 'aspirational' not-quite-lizards in any such money shelter, to take the heat if needed )
19:51 mats scalping some octogenarian with taxpayer money... guh
19:51 mats not sure why i thought of this, but reminded me of that epstein/maxwell adjacent slave pinning some vague shit on minsky
19:51 mats instead of naming names, picked a dead guy
19:52 asciilifeform lolyes
19:52 mats also handily resulted in cancelling of rms, so +ev i guess
19:52 asciilifeform iirc this was the whore's testimony, neh. whore -- also wants to live. so, picked deadguy.
19:52 asciilifeform logical.
19:53 mats would've been A++ if this meant public trial and sentencing of royal scum
19:53 asciilifeform (or for that matter, whole strategy w/ epstein thing -- lay all the sins on him, then strangle. 'see, he's dead, no more lizard islands, believe' )
19:54 asciilifeform mats: the only way royal scum hanged is when cn, ru tanks roll into zurich, london, washington
19:54 asciilifeform (and not guaranteed even then)
20:01 mats for anyone with interest in how offshore tax havens work, shaxson's 'treasure islands' is excellent
20:02 mats review here
20:11 punkman mats: you might enjoy this one The Spider's Web: Britain's Second Empire and also from same guy Princes of the Yen
20:17 punkman USA is the biggest offshore tax haven
20:22 mats ya. D.C. insists on everyone upstreaming financial data, and refuses to share in the other direction
20:22 asciilifeform punkman: usa -- for usg-approved orc oligarchs, yes
20:23 asciilifeform the whole 'offshore' thing is as old as income taxation (which from day 1 was simply a lizard ploy to hamstring the middle class -- and a successful one)
20:24 asciilifeform morons:'raise tax on the rich!' crown:'a++, will do, btw we inflated the currency 20%, will claim it was 2%, and you're now rich'
20:25 mats with all of this ez money going round, its getting harder to resist loading up on fiat debt
20:25 mats coin flip there's gonna be some kinda debt jubilee anyway
20:26 mats ive had this fscking conversation like five times, 'why dont you buy house? mortgage is better than rent! cant sit on btc forever...' etc
20:27 punkman nothing wrong with some real estate
20:32 mats assuming youre a landed punkman, whats an 18k btu heat pump (two zones) cost in gr, all in?
20:34 mats in commiefornia, i was quoted 11k. city permits alone are 1.2k
20:36 mats my greek friend told me his install cost 2k euros, but i dont remember specifics. cant quite square potential total cost of ownership with all the shenanigans, maybe in a proper country (but where?)
20:37 punkman mats: is this the external part of AC system?
20:39 mats includes wall mounted mini splits
20:39 mats internal too
20:40 punkman 2-3k would be reasonable yeah
20:40 punkman city permits? lol
20:41 mats maybe some electrical work so i dont blow the box, its not broken out in the quote
20:43 punkman one problem in .gr is the quite expensive electric bill
20:44 punkman but that's more a working man consideration
20:52 asciilifeform << sounds low (just the comp i'm sitting in front of cost moar..)
20:52 dulapbot Logged on 2021-07-09 16:34:05 mats: in commiefornia, i was quoted 11k. city permits alone are 1.2k
20:53 punkman checked, you can get two separate 18k btu ACs for ~1k, probably free install too
20:53 * asciilifeform not mp, doesn't have an 'intel agency', so entirely possib. riotously outta date re numbers
20:54 mats the fuck kind of monster rig costs 11k?
20:55 asciilifeform mats: not even extravagant one, 'threadrippers', sdd, eizos, etc
20:55 asciilifeform nuffin outlandish, simply errything costs 2-3x nao than before plandemic
20:56 asciilifeform pretty sure air conditioner install would be north of 30-40k here, tho
20:58 mats since i'm doing appliances, guess ill mention this new nip portable ac product i spotted recently variable load inverter, very good DOE efficiency rating, quiet, hose-in-hose design
20:58 asciilifeform << i've wondered what the exch. rate would be if usg 'amnestied' btc and proclaimed e.g. 'sell in aug. of '21 at 0 tax'.
20:58 dulapbot Logged on 2021-07-09 16:26:41 mats: ive had this fscking conversation like five times, 'why dont you buy house? mortgage is better than rent! cant sit on btc forever...' etc
20:58 mats i dont fucking understand why hardware stores still sell single hose units, or why anyone buys them
20:58 asciilifeform mats: oh ~that~ kind of ac
20:58 asciilifeform lol
20:59 * asciilifeform once worked in a salt mine where ad-hoc datacenter made in empty office, and was cooled with coupla similar pieces, holes went into ceiling and -- i suspect -- neighbouring empty unit
20:59 mats i only used window units and stepped on the single hose mine
20:59 asciilifeform mats: here i have central + window , the wattage gotta go sumwhere
20:59 mats now i'm trying to sell it secondhand to some other shmuck and i kind of feel bad about it
20:59 mats er, only used window units in the past
21:00 mats place i'm in has sliding windows, so those don't work
21:00 asciilifeform mats: aintcha in californistan ? even needs ac ?
21:00 mats nobody makes me sweat my own sweat
21:00 asciilifeform (or you're in the south?)
21:01 mats 72f and 70% humidity is enough to perspire
21:01 asciilifeform esp. if yer sitting next to 2-3kw of spaceheater, yea
21:01 asciilifeform here in swampland, humidity is the killer
21:02 mats 12yo mats would find present day mats mind fuckingly boring, guy does a couple hours of research studying home appliances
21:02 asciilifeform imho no shame in it, you have to live with that thing
21:04 * asciilifeform replaced ~90% of his gear this yr, redundant power, net, etc., even desks
21:05 asciilifeform not 'sexy', yes.
21:05 mats whats your net fallback? an lte modem?
21:05 asciilifeform currently
21:06 asciilifeform shite signal here tho.
21:06 asciilifeform happily, only gets used maybe erry other yr
21:07 asciilifeform mats: there's 1 'residential' fiber co here, like in most places; once called up various 'commercial, we'll put anywhere' fiber people, their quites started at 100-200k for ~buildout~ ('we'll get you an architect for free estimate!') and 2-3k/mo service. for 100mbit.
21:07 asciilifeform *quotes
21:08 mats same, i opted for a prepaid t-mo flip phone (supports tethering) and a spare fill card
21:08 mats learned that even flip phones now have some kind of minimalist android barf
21:09 asciilifeform mats: ditch the pnoje, get 1 of those pcie modem things, put in whatever passes for router in your torture room
21:09 asciilifeform (e.g. there's an apu1 variant w/ built-in sim slot)
21:09 mats i couldnt find an lte one that goes into an apu1
21:09 asciilifeform iirc mine 'huawei'
21:09 mats everything listed was gsm, but i didnt look hard
21:10 * asciilifeform will have to look, which
21:11 asciilifeform mats: the hell i'd bother with this shit, tho, if not for 'no work - no eat'
21:12 mats mosh makes it bearable
21:13 mats anyways, good chat, afk
21:13 asciilifeform laters
21:17 asciilifeform punkman: << how much per kW/h ?
21:17 dulapbot Logged on 2021-07-09 16:43:39 punkman: one problem in .gr is the quite expensive electric bill
21:18 asciilifeform in asciilifeform's shithole, ~0.07 (us$) currently (actually not scalar, but approx)
21:24 punkman I think it's gotta be over 0.20eur/kwh
21:24 punkman electric bill includes various types of taxes, (poor people electric subsidies, renewable energy subsidies, other crap)
21:25 asciilifeform at that price almost makes sense to buy photocells
21:25 punkman and if you go over 1600kwh (per 4 months), pay even more
21:25 asciilifeform (or these also 200% taxed there..?)
21:26 punkman yeah all PV is taxed on import in EU
21:26 asciilifeform per 4mo?! that's slightly over 1mo of asciilifeform..
21:26 punkman I've been joking that it's gonna be cheaper to run gas generator
21:27 asciilifeform i'd imagine petrol 1000% taxed
21:27 punkman should do the calculations
21:27 * asciilifeform like chump, had thought, 'greece -- cheap...'
21:27 punkman 1.7eur per unleaded liter
21:28 punkman about 0.9/liter for heating fuel
21:28 asciilifeform greece has winter?!
21:28 punkman yeah and mountains!
21:28 asciilifeform a
21:29 asciilifeform yes
21:30 punkman less winter in the south, lots of houses don't have central heating
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21:51 asciilifeform watchglass [watchglass@Clk-8A62FE1F] has joined #asciilifeform << errybody plz welcome watchglass !
21:51 asciilifeform !w poll
21:51 watchglass Polling 0 nodes...
21:51 asciilifeform lol
21:51 asciilifeform let's try that again..
21:52 asciilifeform !w poll
21:52 watchglass Polling 16 nodes...
21:52 watchglass : Could not connect!
21:52 watchglass : Could not connect!
21:52 watchglass : Could not connect!
21:52 watchglass : ( Alive: (0.117s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=690336
21:52 watchglass : Alive: (0.101s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=690336
21:52 watchglass : Alive: (0.083s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr= Blocks=690336 (Operator: whaack)
21:52 watchglass : ( Alive: (0.316s) V=88888 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=690336
21:52 watchglass : ( Alive: (0.353s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=412062 (Operator: jurov)
21:52 watchglass : ( Alive: (0.215s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr= Blocks=690336 (Operator: asciilifeform)
21:52 watchglass : Alive: (0.400s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=690336
21:52 watchglass : Alive: (0.160s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=690336
21:52 watchglass : ( Alive: (0.082s) V=70001 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=690336
21:53 watchglass : ( Alive: (0.609s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=690317
21:53 watchglass : Alive: (0.301s) V=70001 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=690336
21:53 watchglass : Alive: (0.152s) V=70001 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=690336
21:53 * asciilifeform for now will keep the instance that runs on fleanode, while the latter sorta worx
21:54 watchglass : Busy? (No answer in 100 sec.)
21:57 asciilifeform ... or maybe not. watchglass nao on dulapnet exclusively !!
21:58 * asciilifeform noticed that fleanode nuked its reg. FUCK them.
22:00 shinohai >.>
22:00 shinohai \o/
22:00 asciilifeform billymg_: i looked in .27, there's only 29 conns atm, i suspect either your detector is miscalibrated , or trb needs addr cache purger
22:00 dulapbot Logged on 2021-07-08 11:20:15 billymg: asciilifeform: is your node? my crawler is showing that sometime in the last hour or so it jumped from around ~40 connected peers (mostly good) to ~1200 peers (mostly fake/spam)
22:01 shinohai nice, dulapnet grows bots. Hopefully signpost can get deedbot plugged in at some point.
22:02 asciilifeform shinohai: i'm working on a thing, ideally will post very rough draft this wknd
22:02 dulapbot Logged on 2021-07-07 20:59:41 asciilifeform: working for coupla days nao on a draft of the p2p algo. but nowhere near done yet, it is getting tiny scraps of time left over from gruntwork
22:02 asciilifeform irc proper is dead end.
22:03 asciilifeform ( reason )
22:03 dulapbot Logged on 2021-06-28 11:11:39 gregorynyssa: asciilifeform: so IRC protocol requires network-graph to be undirected + acyclical. that explains a lot.
22:05 shinohai Makes sense. Will read draft when published o7
22:06 asciilifeform algo is almost insultingly simple imho
22:06 * asciilifeform bbl
22:08 billymg asciilifeform: that's strange, 29 connections seems inline with what i was seeing before
22:08 billymg !w peers
22:08 watchglass : Violated BTC Protocol: Invalid payload length!
22:10 billymg !w peers
22:10 watchglass : Violated BTC Protocol: Invalid payload length!
22:10 * billymg will check again later
22:13 billymg asciilifeform: for when you return, i actually *just* made live a WIP version of the www. you can see from the historical poll results on .27 that the spam peers seem to come and go in waves
22:15 billymg looking at whaack's node for example, the most recent getpeers returned a reasonable 66, but in the last 24hr it has been jumping around to the 3-4 digit range
22:17 billymg and i only started seeing that happen as of yesterday when i first reported it, before TRB nodes were always connected to a reasonable number of peers and a high percentage were "real" (i.e. responded with valid version msg when probed)
22:32 billymg asciilifeform: in most recent poll yours returned 25
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23:25 asciilifeform billymg: neato www
23:26 billymg asciilifeform: ty, still very rough around the edges and incomplete but wanted to get something up
23:26 billymg if you look at the homepage now and scroll to the bottom can see the TRB nodes have returned to normal
23:26 asciilifeform loox pretty good imho. even colours.
23:26 billymg but clicking into each ones shows the spam wave in the last 24hrs
23:27 billymg asciilifeform: ty, glad you like
23:27 asciilifeform a, '2021-07-09 18:25:20Alive69031499999/' etc
23:28 asciilifeform interesting. tho loox like trb ~does~ purge cache; yest. i was starting to think it doesn't (or can be induced into fughetting)
23:29 asciilifeform billymg: hm, how do i display all known trb noades in this thing?
23:29 asciilifeform useragent string doesn't appear to be clickable
23:35 billymg asciilifeform: not a feature but it's on my todo list
23:35 asciilifeform a.
23:39 billymg asciilifeform: the www runs fast enough on the rk too, i'm guessing has something to do with the 13k rows vs 2M in the logotron db
23:42 asciilifeform billymg: i actually had logotron on a rk for most of a year ! worked fine
23:42 asciilifeform (aside from when searching)
23:43 billymg true, the search is where the lag really shows
23:43 asciilifeform may be avoidable even there with the right pg knobs
23:43 asciilifeform (jack up memory so whole db lives there)
23:43 asciilifeform default is sumthing laffable, iirc 32mb
23:43 billymg asciilifeform: the pollers also burn through the queue much faster sitting at your DC pipe vs. my jungle fiber (with same number of max sockets)
23:44 billymg almost in one third the time
23:44 asciilifeform mine's a miserly 100mb/s but with very good ping to just about all of christendom
23:45 billymg asciilifeform: i hadn't thought of adjusting the memory for postgres, i'll look into that
23:45 asciilifeform
23:46 billymg asciilifeform: cool, thanks for the link
23:46 asciilifeform np
23:47 * asciilifeform must bbl
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