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10:23 asciilifeform verisimilitude: what was the story?
10:23 asciilifeform $ticker btc usd
10:23 btcinfobot Current BTC price in USD: $39590.25
10:23 asciilifeform !w poll
10:23 watchglass Polling 15 nodes...
10:23 watchglass : Could not connect!
10:23 watchglass : ( Alive: (0.095s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=665876 (Operator: asciilifeform)
10:23 watchglass : ( Alive: (0.083s) V=70001 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=666002
10:23 watchglass : Alive: (0.023s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr= Blocks=666002 (Operator: whaack)
10:23 watchglass : Alive: (0.141s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr= Blocks=665572
10:23 watchglass : ( Alive: (0.113s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=666002
10:23 watchglass : ( Alive: (0.142s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Return Addr= Blocks=666002
10:23 watchglass : Alive: (0.145s) V=70001 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=666002
10:23 watchglass : Alive: (0.206s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=666002
10:23 watchglass : ( Alive: (0.302s) V=99999 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=445782
10:23 watchglass : Alive: (0.258s) V=70001 (/ Jumpers=0x1 (TRB-Compat.) Blocks=666002
10:24 watchglass : Violated BTC Protocol: Bad header length!
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12:14 asciilifeform wb adlai
12:17 adlai ty, alf
12:19 asciilifeform wat's new in the desert paradise, adlai ?
12:19 adlai It's eminently unclear to me where "wb" is nothing more than a polite "ah fuck not this guy again", although if all that uncertainty does is keep me off IRC, so much the better for whatever shreds of focus have survived the dopamine drought.
12:19 snsabot (agriculturalsupremacy) 2021-01-09 BingoBoingo: adlai: I'll get to dead link patrol when it is time to get to dead link patrol. This style of communication you do doesn't work well for 20 year old skater chicks with loads of Instagram simps, it doesn't work for you either.
12:20 asciilifeform adlai: wai so 'emo'. is simply how i prompt folx, 'plz say some news'
12:20 adlai as for tsionistan... 4th lockdown began before the 3rd ended, because the government has started to realize that nobody understands any of their pronouncements, so they'll just make more and hope the pedestrians get the point.
12:21 asciilifeform adlai: what kind of lockdown there ? usa-style or brit-style ?
12:22 asciilifeform ( former , 'restaurants have tents with propane torches, please try not to sneeze', latter, iirc, is 'walked dog? yer undr arrest!' )
12:23 adlai in this specific case, that 'emo' (lol!) instance of "style of communication" is an instance of removing myself from communication there, due to the strong impression that the IRC-leftovers of "TMSR castle doctrine" have survived the retreat of MP into castle!
12:24 adlai 'lockdown' = no restaurants; shops open with varying regulations that boil down to "owner can kick anyone out by citing fear of human density overflow"
12:25 adlai road traffic - audible, at significantly reduced rate (I live not far from a major urban intersection)
12:25 asciilifeform aa, so similar to east usa.
12:25 adlai pedestrians - much more prevalent; essentially all non-major streets have turned into a dog park.
12:26 adlai of course, the degree to which this actually overflows sidewalks into the street itself, varies based on the frequency in practice that cars drive through.
12:27 adlai ironically, there is now a significant increase in garbage truck and power washer noise. these used to happen ~5 times week, and ~8 per week, respectively; and are now closer to a dozen, each.
12:27 adlai including on the mother fucking day of holy rest, because the virus waits for noone.
12:27 asciilifeform adlai: what are you doing these days for 'day job' ? still retraining to become organiker ?
12:28 adlai no 'day job'; have allocated 'mythical man-month' to end-of-life planning, after which I should have a reliable prediction of how soon the university campuses will reopen, and judging by that I'll decide whether to renew my enrollment.
12:29 asciilifeform over here they're open, but 100% telewank
12:29 adlai I simply did not pay tuition for the "zoom semester", although because I overpaid last year (due to not taking classes during the second semester, due to its turning into a surprise "zoom semester"), they haven't been chasing me for payment.
12:30 asciilifeform believe or not, the ones in ameristan in fact charge same! for telewank.
12:31 asciilifeform sorta like the hotels, where 'yes we're closed, no we won't refund', the cruise ship co.s, etc
12:31 * adlai continues reading aforementioned books, although at snail's pace, due to actually backtracking from 'reddit' mode, to "let's at least dismiss the boring evens, read the solutions to the odd-numbered ones if they seem boring, and solve the remainder"
12:31 snsabot Logged on 2020-10-17 13:18:26 adlai: Apocalyptic: I have skimmed Gallian's "Contemporary Abstract Algebra" several times, and begun working sequentially through Burnside's "Theory of Finite Groups"; although, I often refer back to Gallian's text, simply because it is written in a dialect more similar to whatever you call this language.
12:32 adlai lol ofc they charge
12:32 adlai my one semester of on-campus mathematics study was quite depressing, and I was strongly considering dropping out even if the plague hadn't closed the campus.
12:33 adlai the classrooms are literally half-empty, and that is not due to under-enrollment. students have been paying for 'online university, in-person exams' for years already, and arguably now the university can claim that the Zoom sessions are an added value!
12:33 adlai although in most faculties, before the plague, on paper, attendance was ~mandatory~ !!!
12:34 * adlai had good laugh about this with several professors, including past 'chair of academic committee', who always blame the central university bureaucracy on such idiocy.
12:34 asciilifeform adlai: i'd start w/ maclane's algebra
12:35 asciilifeform adlai: mandatory attendance?! batshit. even in usa not heard of such a thing.
12:37 adlai in the mathematics school it was a joke, the classes were literally middle-school flashbacks (cool guys in back row, princesses snarking at their snarks that weren't intended to be overheard so many rows forward, class clowns doing back-and-forth clown act with teachers...)
12:37 adlai however, the chemistry school actually had fairly serious lectures, and almost no teenagers.
12:38 * adlai blames the problem of the mathematics school on the fact that teenagers -- literally, 'gifted' high-school students -- are placed in the same classes as people a decade older
12:38 adlai the only complaint I ever heard about the chemistry lectures was, believe it or not, "I can't focus on the material, lecturer is too hot"
12:39 adlai and of course, "wtf such a boring lecture, why did I even enroll", although idgaf about that specific complaint.
12:39 * adlai blames curriculum design on the usual suspects
12:41 asciilifeform adlai: 'too hot' was not a problem in asciilifeform's uni; there, on the podium is either chinese d00d w/ 300word vocabulary in eng., or greybeard of age where already reserved cemetery plot
12:41 asciilifeform there was 1 female prof, of 'balsac' age, the type who lived in cat cellar
12:43 * adlai simply placed all student gossip about professors on /ignore quite early on... it was too dominated by "I hate XYZ; incidentally, did I mention that I'm failing his class?"
12:50 asciilifeform adlai: speaking strictly for asciilifeform's locale -- where he did 1 and 1/2 'tours' in it -- uni is largely waste of not only impressive sum of dough, but time. had to later reteach self good % of what was nominally 'taught' there.
12:52 adlai at least in public universities, you waste more time than money, and nobody bats a nostril if the class clown happens to also be the town drunk... although the financial interest conflict does mean that they take a long and torturous time about actually kicking you out.
12:53 * adlai has a delightful arrangement now: still can read old course materials, still can use the library's proxy for paywalled papers, and is owed a small enough amount of overpaid tuition to not worry about chasing it down.
12:54 asciilifeform adlai: currently in ameristan , costs 1-2e5 $ to finish 4y diploma at (government -- 'private' costs 2-3x) uni
12:54 adlai theoretically this arrangement could last until death.
12:54 asciilifeform adlai: this was a thing in 19th c europistan -- 'perpetual student'
12:54 asciilifeform (typically was powered by inheritances where 'pension for so long as student')
12:59 adlai hah yes, I have encountered that term in bits of "history of science" readings, often with quite a derisive implication; strange how these days, "lifelong student" is spammed as an ideal towards which to aspire, lest anyone ever do anything useful.
13:00 adlai in these texts "student" is morally equivalent to "beggar", with the only difference that "student" begs from faraway family, whereas "beggar" - from locals.
13:02 adlai fwiw, my alethiometrics consider 'pension for so long as student' to be almost indistinguishable from 'begs from family, faraway across time as well as space', although others may see it as completely different.
13:04 asciilifeform adlai: there's a (commonplace in usa) variant where 'interest on ~infinitely-elastic line of credit deferred for so long as student'. buncha folx live on these.
13:04 asciilifeform ~none of'em expect to ever pay it off.
13:05 asciilifeform the situation's a farce, and reasonably can expect to end either with gulag or 'jubilee'; but also ~indefinitely postponable.
13:08 adlai the slick boys in flashy suits are probably swapping those loan defaults and early repayment derivatives down to penny shavings by now, after all the excitement from the mortgages of a few decades ago.
13:17 asciilifeform adlai: see also gogol's 'dead souls', lol
~ 31 minutes ~
13:48 adlai as for business, I do recall last checking those prices when it was only v3... kelvin notably absent, eh
13:48 snsabot (alethepedia) 2021-01-14 asciilifeform: thimbronion: asciilifeform's costs/prices widget for comparison.
13:50 * adlai will have to, even if for no purposes other than sanity, deduct hosting costs from trading profits, if ever makes a serious attempt to launch "trading shop"; thus, the interest in S.NSA's undead remnant!
13:50 asciilifeform adlai: lol, they're prices. y'know, depend on upstream cost. what'd it mean to kelvin'em ?
13:50 adlai you wouldn't kelvin prices, although you can kelvin the calculations.
13:50 adlai to be precise, the calculat_or_.
13:51 asciilifeform adlai: there's damn near nuffin interesting about the calculator
13:52 * adlai anticipates a criticism similar to "why would you kelvin the payment calculations for that bogus documentation job, adlai? has sobriety warped your aspirations away from mathematics, towards middle-management?"
13:53 asciilifeform adlai: also, at the risk of pedantry, asciilifeform's micro hosting service never was a snsa op. ( in fact the final goodbye w/ mp was, proximately, over asciilifeform's refusal to merge it in )
13:55 asciilifeform it's a 100% asciilifeform op, wholly owned & operated w/ own 2 hands, with no issuance of stock, no external investments, and 0 obligations aside from servicing paid-up subscriptions.
13:55 asciilifeform and i like it that way.
~ 1 hours 16 minutes ~
15:12 verisimilitude I've had few teachers I consider having been better than a book. For computing, I'm entirely autodidactical. Now I'll share that brief story.
15:13 verisimilitude I wanted to burn a CD to listen to in a car. I would later realize OpenBSD's cdio has no issue with letting me write cover art as audio, but this was after several other issues anyway.
15:13 verisimilitude In sum, I crafted an unintentionally malicious CD which would deterministically crash the car's stereo system, requiring I reboot it by removing a fuse.
15:13 verisimilitude I tried again later, crafting the CD specially and I believe correctly, to the same result.
15:13 asciilifeform verisimilitude: pretty great accidental 'fuzzing'
15:14 asciilifeform verisimilitude: crufty items like embedded cdrom eaters tend to be buggy as hell. iirc there was a 0day for... mercedes, published at one pt, that used cd drive.
15:14 asciilifeform ( i.e. could reflash engine controller via crafted cd )
15:15 verisimilitude I feel like a man learning how to build houses, in a society where people expect them to collapse, and it's maddening.
15:17 verisimilitude I recently read of a more expensive car's stereo being crashed when listening to ``99% radio'' or whatever, because it passed the name directly to printf. These are supposed to be ``amateur hour'' mistakes.
15:21 asciilifeform verisimilitude: 'lemon market'
15:22 verisimilitude Perhaps the most insulting aspect of these tens of millions of lines of code is how they don't actually work.
15:25 asciilifeform verisimilitude: there's ~0 incentive to make ~any of it work, in any but the most superficial sense of the word.
15:27 verisimilitude I see a category of software I finally think has some incentive to work, and still notice flaws with it. The car stereo fails, a video game may have an odd non-deterministic bug only in part of the menu, etc..
15:29 asciilifeform verisimilitude: it only has 'incentive to work' if a) there's competition in the market b) competitors have, potentially, 'moar working' softs
15:29 asciilifeform often enuff nao, there's no (a) and consequently no (b); and in remaining cases, no (b).
15:31 asciilifeform observe for instance, crapple. not the pocket pnojes etc., but their comps. erry os release is palpably moar broken (and sometimes, depending on what it was you were accustomed to doing, ~unusable -- e.g. gymnastics needed to permit even gdb to run) -- but continue to be bought. simply because ALL the other commercial unix vendors -- died .
15:38 mats do you know of a writeup to the mercedes cd bug?
15:50 verisimilitude No.
~ 2 hours 4 minutes ~
17:54 verisimilitude Domain restriction isn't taught enough. It's usually only mentioned in some ways by the functional programming people, which leads others to believe that's what it is.
17:56 verisimilitude Whenever domain restriction isn't performed, the domain is merely implicit. Thus, this could and perhaps should be called domain acknowledgement.
~ 22 minutes ~
18:18 asciilifeform meanwhile, lol pankkake !
18:18 asciilifeform !q seen-anywhere pankkake
18:18 snsabot pankkake last seen in #trilema on 2014-10-05 09:40:50: here is 0.000195.
18:19 asciilifeform ( and, if tabloid is to be believed -- RIP, pankkake. )
18:28 asciilifeform was a FG customer!
18:28 snsabot (trilema) 2017-04-26 asciilifeform: in other lulz, << 'FUCKGOATS unboxing' ( pankkake ! )
~ 40 minutes ~
19:09 asciilifeform his www, fwiw.
19:09 asciilifeform this gets interesting, however : exhibit A : pankkake's supposed death note. ( mirrored ) .
19:10 asciilifeform exhibit B : pankkake's old-style wot pubkey ( mirrored ) .
19:11 asciilifeform phunphakt : the death note aint signed w/ that key. nor does any other pubkey appear to be present on his www.
19:13 * asciilifeform likes to think that when he's 'suicided' -- someone will bother to verify whether 'his' note is in fact signed w/ his actual pub , lol
19:19 asciilifeform the pubkey on his www and linked from the pg the tabloid cites is identical to the wot key.
19:20 asciilifeform whereas the 'death note' yields :
19:20 asciilifeform gpg: Signature made Sun 06 Dec 2020 08:54:11 PM EST using RSA key ID B877BC3C
19:20 asciilifeform gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found
19:22 asciilifeform so, possible versions : a) pankkake really did punch own ticket, and signed death note with a key no one's ever seen before, because ??????? b) faked own death, and not very convincingly c) murdered by epically inept gestapo .
19:22 asciilifeform who can think of a (d) -- plox to write in.
19:32 asciilifeform the (promisetronic) date on the 'death note' also pre-dates the claimed btc tx (dec. 8) ; despite the former stating that 'If you're reading this, I am deceased. This is a scheduled message made to be published in the future ...'
~ 2 hours 13 minutes ~
21:45 verisimilitude Say, asciilifeform, does the log link mechanism work with FTP URLs?
~ 30 minutes ~
22:16 * adlai will have to [re]read that pankakke "reports of death have been greatly exagg^Wunverified" incident sometime after sunrise
22:20 adlai in other words that have worse than no meaning: undead referred specifically to the part of S.NSA that survived the end of that GPG contract's corporate personhood
22:20 snsabot Logged on 2021-01-09 06:22:59 adlai: wonders, at this point, what each of these two disbeliefs means to verisimilitude, at this point; if we're on to disambiguation!
22:20 snsabot Logged on 2021-01-14 13:50:10 adlai: will have to, even if for no purposes other than sanity, deduct hosting costs from trading profits, if ever makes a serious attempt to launch "trading shop"; thus, the interest in S.NSA's undead remnant!
22:23 * adlai is reminded of a Dennett quote about how there does not, a priori, have to be anything pseudoscientific about the jargon, nor even the metaphysics, of arbitrary crackpottery [e.g.... 3=1 catholicism, for lack of a more infamous scapegoat], provided that the words and ideas actually compile to something other than "oops, all our pointers were circular, thank you for reference counting".
22:26 adlai thus my frustration with much of Internet jargon, including even those hallowed "jargon file" clapfaps: maybe verisimilitude named random conspiratard buzzwords to make a handwavy reference to "all of political pseudoscience" [not that academic political science is much better!], yet...
22:26 asciilifeform verisimilitude: they won't, you gotta use the bracket notation if you want to linkify'em
22:27 asciilifeform adlai: i swear i've nfi what you mean re 'remnant of snsa'. all the physical bones were auctioned off. there's a tomb with the old docs, and the logger, but that's it
22:28 adlai two random buzzwords - a line, through meme space, or at worst, a point, if they are true synonyms; yet at the very least, "god emperor" has a relatively understandable definition based upon a recent work of science fiction, and I have no idea whether that has any relation to the handwaving.
22:28 adlai asciilifeform: my bad, I had S.NSA and Pizarro eclipsed in my retrospect.
22:29 asciilifeform adlai: piz tomb. in case you lost sumthing in'ere.
22:29 asciilifeform there's even less left of piz than snsa. so still nfi what meant.
22:29 adlai the company-name-free content of what I was saying boils down to "I am interested to see what your enterprise accomplishes when there is less wild-goose-management".
22:30 verisimilitude That's what I'd meant, asciilifeform.
22:30 verisimilitude I don't understand what's being written regarding me, adlai.
22:31 * adlai was did not intend to salt wounds, and was aiming to offer encouragement for the live service
22:31 adlai verisimilitude: you used words, I asked you what they meant.
22:31 adlai feel free to ignore the question, and I will suppose that you picked two nonsense buzzwords out of a proverbial hat, without associating any taxonomy of idiocy to their precise content.
22:31 asciilifeform adlai: the rack service ? it's in fact 100% booked (and has been for a while)
22:32 asciilifeform adlai: i'ma happily answer whatever spec q re subj tho
22:32 verisimilitude Rephrase and clarify the question, adlai.
22:32 adlai not worth anyone's present moments.
22:33 trinque heh, I'm mildly interested in wtf happened to g_l, speaking of the fallen
22:37 asciilifeform trinque: i'm pretty convinced he's in the ground.
22:37 verisimilitude I suppose I knew I'd regret even mentioning that stupid meme here. Just ignore the message entirely, adlai.
22:38 verisimilitude Now that I've been reminded of it, I'll find it a shame adlai wasn't asking about anything actually interesting which I'd written here.
22:40 asciilifeform ftr, closest thing asciilifeform was able to find to a pankkake obit from a 3rdparty.
22:45 verisimilitude When I recognized this for what it was, I knew there was a [][better link].
22:45 snsabot Logged on 2021-01-04 14:25:10 asciilifeform: verisimilitude: in other rec'd reading. (d. hillis. 'the connection machine'.)
22:46 verisimilitude It didn't work.
22:46 asciilifeform for moar lulz : oblig snakepit thrd re pankkake et al.
22:47 asciilifeform 'chinese agent'! etc.
22:47 snsabot (trilema) 2018-08-22 asciilifeform: fwiw i read usg indictments as works of fiction, not particularly different from e.g. trial of lavrentiy pavlovich beria, 'british, french, and japanese spy'
22:48 verisimilitude I hate Reddit.
22:53 verisimilitude A particularly bothersome aspect of this smug attitude are phrases such as ``Reality has a liberal bias.'', from the same people claiming a woman can have a penis.
22:53 verisimilitude I'm aware of the degeneracy of Berlin, before hitler cleaned it up, but did the USSR have such things; I'm but familiar with higher class orgies with that.
~ 28 minutes ~
23:22 asciilifeform verisimilitude: fwiw buggery was a criminal offense in sovok. like in old england.
23:22 asciilifeform verisimilitude: sov culture had 0 resemblance to the things associated w/ liberasts in current-day 'civilized' world.
23:30 verisimilitude Right; that jives with what I now recall reading.
23:30 verisimilitude I appreciate it, asciilifeform.
23:36 asciilifeform verisimilitude: yw.
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