#agriculturalsupremacy

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BingoBoingo: I found an interesting isp in CR. I was wondering if you had researched CR or if CR was excluded on some basis: http://thimbron.com/2020/05/costa-rica-servers/

15:44

BingoBoingo

I have a couple dedicated boxes rented in Costa Rica via RackNation. I haven't tried Costa Rica servers yet

15:45

thimbronion

BingoBoingo: are there any pointed questions I could ask them that would reveal whether or not they would nullroute me at some level of traffic?

15:45

BingoBoingo

During the pizarro search Costa Rica was a bit too close to the US and their datacenters at that time weren't particularly responsive

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BingoBoingo

thimbronion: There are non that I can think of which would be definitive

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thimbronion

BingoBoingo: also I believe there's some id ISPs have that can be used to figure out what their upstream provider is, but I can't remember what it's called. Do you know what I'm talking about or am I babbling?

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15:43	thimbronion	BingoBoingo: I found an interesting isp in CR. I was wondering if you had researched CR or if CR was excluded on some basis: http://thimbron.com/2020/05/costa-rica-servers/
15:44	BingoBoingo	I have a couple dedicated boxes rented in Costa Rica via RackNation. I haven't tried Costa Rica servers yet
15:45	thimbronion	BingoBoingo: are there any pointed questions I could ask them that would reveal whether or not they would nullroute me at some level of traffic?
15:45	BingoBoingo	During the pizarro search Costa Rica was a bit too close to the US and their datacenters at that time weren't particularly responsive
15:46	BingoBoingo	thimbronion: There are non that I can think of which would be definitive
15:48	thimbronion	BingoBoingo: also I believe there's some id ISPs have that can be used to figure out what their upstream provider is, but I can't remember what it's called. Do you know what I'm talking about or am I babbling?
15:48	asciilifeform	in asciilifeform's experience, the box that you can physically get to, wherever you happen to be (and e.g. inspect seals) in practice beats errything else.
15:48	BingoBoingo	ASN
15:49	BingoBoingo	The ASN is the identifier you want
15:49	thimbronion	asciilifeform: The more excuses for me to leave the US if only temporarily the better: "Oh shit, my site's down. I need to make a trip to CR. Damn."
15:49	BingoBoingo	But as revealed during the pizarro weather disaster, the ASN peering information can be less than truly informative
15:49	thimbronion	BingoBoingo: thanks!
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16:14	asciilifeform	thimbronion: hm i thought you were doing a perma-move to cr
16:14	asciilifeform	(in which case 100% oughta put box there)
16:17	thimbronion	asciilifeform: date of perma-move is indeterminate, but def. not until after mid 2021.
16:17	asciilifeform	ah
16:20	*	asciilifeform suspects that the latech thing is a general pattern in orcistans, such that are far enuff away from where bulk of the net lives to have 'here's yer 1 dc'. but does not know whether cr falls into this category.
16:21	asciilifeform	and, as latech, they 'work until doesn't'.
16:24	thimbronion	asciilifeform: I have no idea but I wonder how hard it would be to test? i.e. spam own rentaserver and see what happens...
16:25	asciilifeform	thimbronion: in principle not hard (can even commission a 'commercial' ddoser). fwiw mine passed this test.
16:29	asciilifeform	ddos aint the only headache tho. what happens when yer raid needs fresh disk ? or say one day yer box won't ping. if you can't physically get to it, will have to ask someone on site. do they answer in realtime? etc
16:31	thimbronion	asciilifeform: indeed. recently had to replace an failed external drive at my local isp.
16:34	asciilifeform	in principle, if the only thing you host is your own www, and you absolutely dun give a damn re the irons, you can use cheapo isps and change'em like gloves. rather than bothering w/ colo etc.
16:35	asciilifeform	in practice, the cost of this begins to add up once you're using serious qtys of storage, cpu, or bw
16:36	asciilifeform	for instance, when i priced what costs to lease just 1 box comparable to just 1 of my standard 'dulap's (32core, 256GB ram, 4x1tb ssd) , in most places it is comparable to what my whole rack costs.
16:37	asciilifeform	(aaand in most of these, you'll end up w/ an intel.)
16:38	asciilifeform	you also won't be getting a FG, or any other custom oddity, in a leased iron. afaik anywhere.
16:40	thimbronion	asciilifeform: right. Ideally what I end up with is an older amd/tyan/3ware raid based system with FG and ancient gentoo located outside US.
16:41	asciilifeform	thimbronion: sounds like you will 100% have to colo.
16:42	asciilifeform	( i do produce such boxen an' rent'em out; but i am in us. presently not aware of anyone else doing so either inside or out, tho.)
16:43	thimbronion	asciilifeform: I have built one myself minus the fg - but I kind of fucked up the gentoo install on it.
16:45	thimbronion	asciilifeform: I would ask how much you charge to produce such a box - but I don't know the processor specs I would want or that are available.
16:46	asciilifeform	thimbronion: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=3557
16:47	asciilifeform	thimbronion: i don't build'em for sale tho ( only for lease ) , i do not find it worth the effort to try to package'em for sale
16:47	asciilifeform	(it takes considerable sweat to locate, purchase, clean, test'em)
16:48	asciilifeform	i keep sufficient stockpile to replace mine/customers' if they need replacement, but that's all
16:50	asciilifeform	thimbronion: example of FG installation.
16:51	asciilifeform	in general, imho such machines oughta be considered 'non-renewable resource' and if you use'em, oughta keep a stockpile of your own.
16:52	thimbronion	asciilifeform: hrm ok yeah. I have two working tyan amd boards atm and two fgs.